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- Waseem Badami (Analyst)
- Sana Bucha (Analyst)
Journey of friendship and enmity between PML-N and PPP - Watch Kashif Abbasi's Report
Caretaker PM Kon Hoga??? Opposition Leader Raja Riaz opens up on Caretaker PM nomination
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00:00 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:07 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:14 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:21 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture.
00:26 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:31 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:36 Pakistan has a very topsy-turvy political history or political culture. It has changed a lot.
00:41 After the charter of democracy, the political parties have seen many ups and downs.
00:46 At that time, it was thought that the political structure of the country would change, the political structure of the country would change,
00:51 a new scenario would emerge, politicians would talk about issues, politicians would talk about issues.
00:57 But this continued until the politicians got a chance to fight.
01:04 The first opportunity to fight was given and the fight began again.
01:07 What did Bilawal say in his speech yesterday?
01:12 He said that such decisions should be taken by Mr. Mian and Mr. Zardari, so that politics is easy for me and Mariam Nawaz and not difficult.
01:18 What did Bilawal say?
01:20 Mr. Mian and Mr. Zardari should take such decisions so that politics is easy for me and Mariam Nawaz and not difficult.
01:30 The way we are going, it seems that our elders have decided that the 30 years you have spent in politics,
01:38 you want us to do politics for the next 30 years.
01:43 What does this mean?
01:46 Today the debate is that who was the addressee to Mr. Bilawal's speech?
01:51 What is he saying?
01:53 We will talk about this later. But the politicians who are hungry, they have mentioned another charter of democracy,
02:00 that the parties inside and outside the parliament should have a charter of democracy.
02:05 Political parties should also do some politics in such a way that our situation should be such that we take this situation to reconciliation.
02:19 The position of the Pakistan People's Party is that if we do not have a new charter of democracy,
02:25 then that old charter of democracy should be followed by all political parties,
02:30 and those political parties who are outside the assembly,
02:34 but then other institutions should also accept this charter or be a part of that dialogue.
02:41 All political parties should not only think, but should also try to solve this problem.
02:49 Mr. Bilawal's statement that there is a new charter of democracy,
02:53 the parties inside and outside the parliament,
02:55 add this together and read that do you want a policy that has been going on in this country for 30 years?
03:00 So what has been going on in this country for 30 years?
03:03 In 2004, as we said, a charter of democracy was signed.
03:08 It seemed that political parties would move forward, there were issues, then what happened?
03:13 After 2007, when the government was formed, Mr. Zardari went to Jati Umrah,
03:18 met Mr. Mian, there were very good statements.
03:22 Relationships will now be transferred to the next generation.
03:27 Listen to what he said.
03:29 Mr. Mian and our relationship, God willing, will continue to the second to third generation.
03:34 Our future generations should maintain this tradition that no one can break.
03:40 I thank Mr. Zardari once again with these words.
03:45 Thanking each other, he decided to take these relations to the next generation.
03:52 Good things happened in 2008, but then it did not work for a long time.
03:57 A few years later, when Mr. Zardari's or People's Party's government was, Mr. Zardari was the president, Mr. Ghulani was the prime minister,
04:04 then the same 90th-odd political statements against each other began.
04:09 These clerics who are in our opposition, whose name is Maulvi Nawaz Sharif,
04:15 why is this cleric suffering today?
04:17 These clerics want the politics of Zia ul Haq.
04:21 Whose 6 crore dollars are these?
04:24 Mr. Zardari, who is in Switzerland, where did you get these 6 crore dollars from?
04:29 COD, COD, you are getting a trial of Benazir Bhutto's grave.
04:36 If we do not make this Zardari love after the elections,
04:41 if he is not dragged on the roads of Karachi, Peshawar and Lahore, then I will not be able to speak.
04:49 Then it started, but after the 2013 elections, Imran Khan Sahib came to Islamabad with a protest.
04:56 That protest gathered all the communities on the floor of the parliament once again.
05:02 Then statements began to come in favor of democracy.
05:05 The talks of support for each other were heard again in 2014.
05:09 It is not possible that in the presence of this parliament, decisions will be made on the roads, squares and fields.
05:18 Political forces together and this protest,
05:22 how much can be reduced, how much can be reduced, how much can be satisfied,
05:26 satisfy each other and in any case democracy should not be derailed.
05:31 If I talk about the joint session of the parliament at that time,
05:36 such statements were praised one after the other.
05:38 Even when Chaudhary Nisar and Ittizaaz Ahsan Sahib,
05:42 who was a big event at that time,
05:49 when Ittizaaz Ahsan Sahib stood up and criticized the statement of Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan on the floor of the parliament,
05:56 the one who made him sit was also Mian Sahib.
05:58 He was silenced and said that the situation or the atmosphere should not be bad.
06:03 This also went on for a year or two, the protest ended.
06:07 From 2016 to 2018, the same old fight, the same old statements, the same criticism,
06:14 the same dragging each other on the roads and calling each other thieves, robbers started again.
06:20 What do you say about Mr. Chaudhary?
06:30 Today he is giving a speech.
06:31 He has robbed this nation of $60 million.
06:34 If we leave Mian, then maybe Allah will not forgive us.
06:38 He is a national thief.
06:41 He has become very infamous on the earth.
06:44 How did everyone bow down in the same barricade?
06:47 The people of Bilawal House also went to the same place, the place of Quetta and bowed down.
06:51 This is the beating of the Pakistani nation.
06:53 This is the shame of the Pakistani nation.
06:58 Then this happened, elections were held and in 2020, the PDM was formed again.
07:06 And the situation improved when all these people got together again.
07:11 Charter of Democracy, democracy, unity with each other.
07:17 Please listen.
07:18 Mr. Shibas Sharif is in front of you, he is ready to lead our revolution.
07:25 But I said that I will give the responsibility to the young people.
07:30 Bilawal, let's promise that we will never go so far in opposition.
07:36 You promise that we will fight in the electoral field, but we will not fight among ourselves.
07:40 We will respect each other.
07:42 And then once again, there was a fight in the PDM.
07:46 What is the role of the leader of the opposition?
07:48 Did you vote for a small position from your father?
07:52 Did you vote for the father who does not support anyone without his father's permission?
07:57 If someone's accusation is trying to blame me that we are ready to be selected,
08:03 then this is not a selection process in our veins.
08:07 There is another political family from Lahore in which this past has been theirs.
08:14 So this narrative went on for a while and then friendship was formed.
08:18 Former President Asif Zardari, Mr. Bilawal, we thank all the Pakistani people.
08:25 Their efforts have brought color today.
08:28 You are our Prime Minister and God willing, you will find a solution to our problems.
08:33 Karachi needs Shibaz Speed, Mr. Prime Minister.
08:40 And these matters go to the assembly speech yesterday, where they said that what politics do you want to give us?
08:45 You want me and Maryam to do the same politics that has been going on for the past 30 years.
08:49 What is the purpose of this? Who is its addressee?
08:52 The Charter of Democracy that he offered yesterday, and political parties outside the parliament should also be a part of it.
08:57 After all, what do they want? What is happening in the middle?
09:00 Mr. Sana Bucha is present with us. Thank you very much.
09:02 Mr. Waseem Badami is present with us from Karachi.
09:04 Mr. Waseem, thank you very much. If you allow me, I will ask Raja Riaz to come here.
09:10 Raja Riaz, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
09:11 Wa-alaikum-Salam.
09:12 Do you give each other drinks or not?
09:15 No, we don't give each other drinks.
09:17 Raja Riaz, we are all looking at you. You have to give us the real name.
09:20 I have held three meetings with all the opposition members.
09:27 And I have finalized the name that I have to give to my opposition.
09:30 Which name? Will you tell us?
09:32 No, I would like to apologize now.
09:35 Okay, don't tell us. Is there a politician in it?
09:37 No, there is no politician. There is no politician in my name.
09:41 So you are saying that the future minister will be an economic expert.
09:45 Yes.
09:47 Yes, what do you mean? You are saying that we have to give him a name and the one who coincides with it will be the minister.
09:53 You have agreed that the next minister will be an economic expert.
09:56 No, we will give him a name of an economic expert and we will try to agree on the name that we give.
10:06 Mr. Hafeez Sheikh has reached Pakistan today. Is that your name?
10:10 No, I cannot say anything about this.
10:13 But the problems that the country is facing and the economic situation that you are in, you know everything.
10:21 In such a situation, if an economic expert is needed, then he is a person who is a need of the country.
10:34 Okay, let's do one thing. Tell them that my name is not Hafeez Sheikh.
10:38 My name is not in it.
10:40 Okay, so his name will be from the opposition.
10:43 Because there is a lot of talk about him and we have heard that he has returned to Pakistan.
10:46 But if you are an economic expert, then someone else is an economic expert.
10:49 So, all the parties of the opposition are agreeing with you on the name of the economic expert?
10:54 Yes, all the MNAs of PTI are agreeing with me on the name that I am giving.
11:03 So, the GDA, Jamaat-e-Islami, are they agreeing with you?
11:06 The leader of GDA has joined the Peoples' Party.
11:10 I spoke to the Chitrali of the Jamaat-e-Islami. He said that give the name of our leader, Mr. Rajalak.
11:22 I said that he is a party leader, how can he be given the name?
11:26 So, how long should this monitoring setup go on in your opinion?
11:30 The thing is that I think there should be an election.
11:36 When?
11:37 In three months.
11:41 But there is a problem that the census has been notified.
11:45 The news is that the census is being done in Al-Qabaniya.
11:52 And for Al-Qabaniya, they are saying that we need 100 days.
11:56 So, if we give them 100 days, then after that, in three months, there should be an election.
12:02 So, in six months, do you think the election will go ahead?
12:04 I think the election will go ahead in six months.
12:07 Tell me, if the election goes ahead in six months, will you protest, will you come on the streets, will you protest?
12:12 Or will you say that the country's need is okay, let it go?
12:15 No, we will come to a formal agreement that the election should not go ahead in any case.
12:21 So, you said in an interview that it can take two years to elect.
12:25 I said that in another sense, that if the country is facing difficulties, like the poor, the bill, the poverty,
12:35 the poor are not being able to raise their children, the poor are in a bad situation.
12:39 If any step is taken to improve that, then we will not go to the Muslim Caliphate.
12:44 Because the poor of Pakistan are living the most difficult life at the moment.
12:49 And now again there is electricity shortage, gas shortage, the fees of schools are being given.
12:55 The poor of Pakistan are living a very difficult life at the moment.
12:59 Tell me, Raja Sahib, the last question to you.
13:02 If you are given the name of politicians by the government, can you agree with it or not?
13:08 I can agree, I have no problem.
13:11 Okay, that can be done. If you are given the name of Mr. Dhar, can you agree with it?
13:16 I can agree, I have no problem.
13:19 Earlier you were saying that he is not neutral, he should not be the minister of security.
13:24 You asked if I can agree or not.
13:27 I had asked you earlier that you think you can agree with the name.
13:31 You said that if he is not elected, then there will be a mark.
13:34 I will not agree with that name. Today you are saying that I will agree.
13:37 I am saying that you said that the politicians,
13:41 I am saying this today also, that the way he is in the party,
13:46 in the same way, you can make Zardari Sahib tomorrow.
13:50 The head of the parties or the senior people of the parties,
13:54 So, Mr. Dhar is the senior of the party.
13:57 I am saying that by making him, the election will be doubtful.
14:01 No one will believe in the election.
14:03 And you will get a doubtful election done if they give the name of Mr. Dhar and you agree,
14:09 then you say that there is no harm in that.
14:11 I think they will not give their name.
14:18 We have come to the point.
14:20 Thank you very much, Raja Riaz.
14:21 We will see tomorrow what name you will get.
14:23 Bilawal Sahib, who are you talking about when you are talking about the politics you have done for 30 years.
14:30 You want that the same politics should be easy for me and Mariam.
14:35 Establishment Judiciary is saying that and the politicians who come with them,
14:42 meet them, Bilawal Sahib also.
14:44 That is, Mr. Mia and Mr. Zardari Sahib, all together.
14:46 Mr. Mia and Mr. Zardari Sahib, all together did all this.
14:49 The problem is that our establishment has a very myopic viewpoint.
14:52 It thinks so well that Imran Khan Sahib or Chairman PTI should be locked up in jail
14:56 and they have to be minused by the politics.
14:58 So, when you were doing plus, you should have thought about it.
15:00 Once you will cover the whole Basad, then you will save Basad,
15:05 then you will bring your footwear, then you will ride horses, then you will be checkmate.
15:08 So, how long will this chess game go on?
15:10 And these same footwear and the same things, the same positions are being taken.
15:13 There is no new game in this.
15:15 The same moves are being made and the same things are being made.
15:17 And obviously, I think Mr. Bilawal must be listening to what is being said in the media.
15:20 He is not like totally aloof.
15:22 And I think that Mr. Zardari Sahib, I can see the disagreement of Mr. Bilawal.
15:25 But it is not happening the way I thought.
15:27 Mr. Bilawal will become the Prime Minister, but it is not happening there.
15:30 Now, obviously, the people who were supposed to appease him, they are not being appeased.
15:33 Now, they have gone to some other side.
15:35 So, when these matters do not come to you, then you talk about such things.
15:38 Mr. Khan has also done it, Mr. Nawaz Sharif has also done it, Mr. Zardari has also done it.
15:41 Mr. Bilawal is also doing it.
15:42 Now, I think this has begun, the election campaign that will be made.
15:46 So, you are saying that just like you have endured politics for 30 years,
15:50 you want us to do politics for 30 years.
15:53 Meaning, putting someone in jail, making deals with someone, this is what he means by it.
15:56 He is just saying that the vote will not come, the vote is on the labor market.
15:59 If you do not let the labor market, because if you do not let any government to live in its own time,
16:04 and you always have to do it, sometimes Memo gate, sometimes this gate, sometimes Vicky leaks,
16:08 sometimes Don leaks, sometimes this Cyril Almeida, sometimes this, sometimes the sacrifice of Pervez Rashid,
16:12 sometimes the sacrifice of Hussain Akhani.
16:14 So, there are problems in this setup, and you do not let it happen.
16:17 And this insecurity, our politicians, they are not able to do it.
16:21 But they are exploited and they are given such a burden.
16:24 I do not know why they keep coming back to the same thing.
16:26 Nawaz Sharif has been elected twice, he has been elected for the third time,
16:29 he will come for the fourth time and then he will make the same mistake.
16:31 How many days will he run? Nawaz Sharif will not change his attitude.
16:34 But I will ask Chandra Badami, Wasim, Memo gate, this is a view, obviously.
16:39 He says that when there will be insecurity in the political system, then who will work?
16:44 Now, the second problem, the second way to look at it is that the politicians themselves make the deals.
16:49 Who has forced you to go, make deals, remove someone, get someone punished,
16:54 put your name forward that we have to do this.
16:57 Do you agree with them that their address, which is the same style of politics of Zardari and Mian,
17:05 Bilawal, that how long will you make us do this work?
17:08 We do not want to play this game alone.
17:10 Bismillah Rahman Rahim.
17:14 Obviously, there are two important teams in this game, the politician and the second setup.
17:19 Both are responsible for their own show.
17:21 You can count both of them, but if you ask me who is more responsible for this,
17:25 then I will still criticize the politicians in this regard, governance, corruption, etc.
17:31 And I will not give them a big responsibility in this regard,
17:33 but still I will not hold more responsible political entities because there is one field of mine,
17:41 and the problem is that you jump into it, Mr. Kashif, and Mr. Kashif has a little bit of a game,
17:48 he is a power-hungry, now Mr. Kashif, he is sidelining me,
17:51 so now I have to make a way practically,
17:55 so either I say that it is okay, Kashif, and I do my loss,
18:01 otherwise, if I have to make my way practically, then I have to talk to Mr. Kashif and make it.
18:04 So you are saying that a politician should pay more attention to making a way than to the principle,
18:11 and he says that I do not want to stand on the principle,
18:14 I want to take the line of making a way, then make my way,
18:17 because if everyone stands on the principle for a day, then only this work can stop,
18:21 if every time a shoulder is ready, and that shoulder is ready every time, then this work will not stop.
18:28 So then the politician is to blame, eventually if the shoulder is there, then the matter will move forward.
18:33 No, no, I will tell you in summary what I want to say,
18:37 if you say who is to be blamed, then I have answered that both are to be blamed,
18:41 but non-political entities are more to be blamed, because it is not their thing to do this,
18:45 and they jump in this, so I am saying this.
18:47 But what I am saying in the second thing,
18:49 so in this, the first thing that should be realized is that
18:53 the one who does not have this work and intervenes in this,
18:56 so first of all, he should not do this work.
18:58 Yes, now you ask what is the solution,
19:00 the solution is only one,
19:02 the solution is only that all political entities should be one on this,
19:06 now this thing, I have been saying this for a long time,
19:09 it did not seem so cool, especially to the friends of Karik Anzal,
19:12 you are probably understanding,
19:13 that all political entities will have to be one on a minimum agenda,
19:18 that is, we will fight among ourselves, we will do the case, we will do everything,
19:23 but to bring down the government of someone else,
19:25 we will not become the protector of a third party,
19:27 this is the only solution,
19:28 until this work is not done,
19:30 until then, we will continue to work as a protector of each other,
19:33 and this work will continue in the same way,
19:35 so this is the only solution,
19:37 Khan sir said in his last speech before going to jail,
19:39 that I say to the PDM people,
19:41 the time has come, we should unite with the country.
19:43 One more thing to add to this,
19:44 he said this, and yesterday Bilawal also said that
19:47 a new charter of democracy,
19:48 or on the old one,
19:49 all the parties within the parliament and outside the parliament should be united,
19:53 are these two messages the same?
19:56 I think that,
20:01 what is the saying that he is telling his mother-in-law,
20:05 he is telling his daughter-in-law,
20:06 he is telling her not to listen to him,
20:09 he is telling her to listen to him,
20:11 so I think that all these things of Bilawal sir,
20:16 were addressed by the power of Mumbai,
20:18 that brother, please do something about this,
20:20 because when he said that yes, I agree that
20:23 we should not bring back the institutions to their ambit,
20:26 so I am sure that the institutions were not meant by the Pakistan cricket board,
20:29 and maybe the incident was not meant,
20:31 so obviously the address was on one side,
20:33 that brother, you also do a little favor,
20:36 so I think that this mantra is very popular,
20:41 that what does it mean, I am with Q Wadu Nawaz Sharif,
20:43 should I sit with a thief,
20:45 this is very popular,
20:46 four or five sentences can be made on this,
20:48 but brother, the thing is,
20:50 you keep your opinion about it,
20:51 Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Imran Khan,
20:53 whatever opinions they have about each other,
20:55 but in an environment like Pakistan,
20:57 you will have to agree on some things,
20:59 in which you decide that we do not want to let any non-political entity intervene,
21:03 we do not want to let it become a rebel,
21:05 if this thing still does not seem popular,
21:07 then it is okay,
21:08 today he will become his rebel and beat him,
21:10 the way he is beating,
21:11 tomorrow he will become his rebel and beat him,
21:13 I have learned from Rohit Kulhasa sir,
21:15 that you have to give your comment on all these matters,
21:17 you do not have to do emotional investment,
21:19 when you are not ready to learn lessons,
21:21 then what do we care?
21:22 After a break,
21:23 on the topic of Tata Democracy,
21:25 he said that Chairman Tariq Khan's statement is also on the same side,
21:28 yesterday, Bilawal sir also said the same,
21:30 so are both addressing each other,
21:32 or is this a charitistic policy,
21:34 that if we do not do this, we can do that,
21:36 let us take a break,
21:38 after a break,
21:39 this Nigran setup,
21:40 delays,
21:41 unconstitutional delays,
21:43 for six months,
21:44 Raja sir has agreed,
21:45 for six months,
21:46 he has gone,
21:47 where are we going with this?
21:48 Let us take a break,
21:49 we will be back.
21:51 Welcome back,
21:52 viewers,
21:53 Bilawal sir's,
21:54 Bilawal Bhutto's speech yesterday,
21:56 and after that,
21:57 the new debate,
21:58 has started,
21:59 we are talking about that,
22:01 this COD,
22:02 this Charter of Democracy,
22:04 and Muzakirat,
22:05 and new contract,
22:06 that Bilawal Bhutto mentioned yesterday,
22:08 he mentioned it yesterday,
22:10 Chairman Tariq Khan has said this in his last speech,
22:12 that he will sit with us,
22:14 are they addressing each other,
22:15 directly and indirectly?
22:17 Kashif, you,
22:18 Mr. Badami was talking,
22:19 before the break,
22:20 that we should get together,
22:21 get together,
22:22 become allies,
22:23 against whom do we have to become allies?
22:25 We took the name of Rahid Sharif,
22:27 General Kiani,
22:28 Zaheer-ul-Islam,
22:29 we take their names so frivolously,
22:31 we take the name of the king so frivolously,
22:33 Bajwa sir,
22:34 General Faiz,
22:35 retired,
22:36 all these people,
22:37 you tell me,
22:38 has anyone been punished?
22:39 Has anyone been accused of murder,
22:41 or at least,
22:42 has anyone done anything against them?
22:44 And they say,
22:45 now this system should stop,
22:46 how will it stop?
22:47 What defence do you have?
22:48 You have to put up a fight,
22:50 so you need someone to fight,
22:52 what do you do?
22:53 If you want to spoil going away from the chief,
22:55 and make him coming in chief,
22:57 then the matter will remain the same,
22:59 if you want to leave everyone scot-free,
23:01 that if Bajwa sir,
23:02 brings this plan into action,
23:04 and then he himself steps back,
23:06 then he brings in the Adham Aitamad,
23:08 then why should I say this?
23:10 Why don't the politicians say this?
23:11 Why don't they accuse them?
23:13 Why do we take their names?
23:14 Why do they save themselves?
23:15 Sometimes they want to take their name in a Jalsa,
23:18 then they want to remain silent,
23:19 one year Twitter also remains silent,
23:21 Habib Mariam is also silent,
23:23 I mean this season of silence,
23:25 what kind of a storm is this?
23:27 What kind of a storm is this?
23:29 This is a total silence,
23:31 see this,
23:32 the storm will not stop,
23:33 until you decide who the storm is,
23:35 what are the reasons for the storm?
23:37 If in this political storm,
23:39 if there has been a meddling,
23:40 then for God's sake,
23:41 at least try one,
23:43 at least try one,
23:45 civilians have reached the military courts,
23:47 if a military person comes to our civilian court,
23:49 we ask him,
23:50 why do you meddle?
23:51 Why did you do this?
23:53 Until you don't blame anyone,
23:55 don't accuse anyone,
23:56 don't try anyone,
23:57 then we will keep gathering,
23:59 we will keep giving speeches,
24:00 we will keep giving speeches in the parliament,
24:01 and you will keep doing this show,
24:02 but they will not take their names,
24:04 they will not take their names,
24:05 or they will not accuse anyone,
24:06 or they will not try anyone,
24:07 they will leave us,
24:08 that Kashik and Sana will talk,
24:10 that wow,
24:11 how well they have spoken,
24:12 but they will not say it themselves,
24:13 why don't they say,
24:14 that General Faiz should be tried,
24:15 why don't they say,
24:16 that we have to see General Bajwa's meddling,
24:18 why don't they do this,
24:19 why don't they talk about Harsha Sharif,
24:21 why don't they say,
24:22 who is involved,
24:23 everyone comes and says,
24:24 I have information,
24:25 Wada Sahab says,
24:26 I have all the evidence,
24:27 then give us the evidence,
24:28 bring someone in the bowl,
24:29 what is this drama,
24:30 that we should gather,
24:31 but who will we fight against,
24:32 against the wind?
24:33 How will democracy come,
24:34 democracy comes by getting it approved,
24:36 it doesn't come this way,
24:37 politics is a very different,
24:38 and a very complicated game in Pakistan,
24:40 here you have to convince people,
24:42 but till when will you do it,
24:44 if you don't want to convince,
24:45 and you are being forced,
24:46 if you have someone in the closet,
24:48 then bring them out,
24:49 bring them out into the light,
24:50 and tell us what your position is,
24:52 do you believe that all this was made,
24:54 that this plan was brought in 2014,
24:56 that this protest was done during Raheel Sharif's time,
24:58 do you believe that Asim Salim Bajwa Sahab,
25:00 cornered the entire media,
25:02 do you believe that when Zubair Sharif went,
25:04 to attend the parade,
25:05 his footage was not played,
25:06 do you believe this,
25:07 so when you believe this,
25:08 then why don't you accuse,
25:09 then why don't you try,
25:10 why don't you bring them into the box,
25:12 why are they off scot free,
25:14 some are sitting in the branch,
25:16 some are sitting somewhere,
25:17 you don't know what is happening,
25:18 only the internal proceedings are happening,
25:20 we should also know,
25:21 if our civilians are with them,
25:23 then give us our own people,
25:24 ok, this is one view,
25:27 Mr. Badami,
25:28 the one who is saying that he doesn't take names,
25:30 why is Maryam Nawaz silent these days,
25:32 do you understand the reason for her silence,
25:34 Chief Organiser,
25:35 the Architecting Chief of PMLN revival,
25:38 where is she?
25:39 where is she?
25:41 Yes,
25:42 and before that,
25:43 because Mr. Sinha gave reference to my point,
25:45 so the things he has said,
25:47 I am agreeing with all of them,
25:49 that this is absolutely right,
25:51 all steps will be phase based,
25:53 so I am saying this only,
25:54 I am saying that,
25:55 if we agree on the basic thing,
26:00 that we will not become each other's allies,
26:02 then the chances of all those phases being achieved,
26:05 Mr. Sinha is talking about,
26:06 right now there is no agreement on the basic thing,
26:09 right now he is deciding that,
26:11 this is corrupt,
26:12 I think,
26:13 I agree or not,
26:14 I have to sell it,
26:15 that it is corrupt,
26:16 this is my political opponent,
26:17 now take all the support of the establishment,
26:18 and make it fall,
26:19 right now this is the problem,
26:20 so when there will be a disagreement till here,
26:22 then what will happen?
26:23 he talked about punishment,
26:24 for punishment,
26:25 where did we reach the closest,
26:26 there was a person named Mr. Parvez Musharraf,
26:28 when we reached the closest to his punishment,
26:30 then what happened?
26:31 his political opponent,
26:32 Muslim League Noon's political opponent,
26:34 that is Mr. Imran Khan,
26:35 he sided with the current establishment,
26:36 and called the judge mad,
26:38 that this judge is mad,
26:39 he talks about all these things,
26:40 so when there will be no agreement on the basic things,
26:43 then all these issues will be discussed later,
26:45 that is why I am saying,
26:46 at least there should be a basic agreement,
26:47 politicians should come out of this narrative,
26:49 that what does this mean,
26:50 that we are sitting with thieves,
26:51 we forgive all the crimes of thieves,
26:52 no, no,
26:53 you consider him a thief,
26:54 but brother,
26:55 there should be a basic agreement on some things,
26:57 this is what I mean to say.
26:59 Now, let's get,
27:00 Mr. Marim Nawaz,
27:01 yes, yes, Mr. Marim Nawaz,
27:02 so you talked about Mr. Marim Nawaz,
27:05 so,
27:06 now I don't know,
27:07 what is going on,
27:08 one more question,
27:09 one more question,
27:10 what Mr. Bilawal said,
27:11 that you are making politics easy for me and Marim Nawaz,
27:14 and making it difficult,
27:15 do you think that in this speech,
27:16 before the discussion with Marim Nawaz,
27:19 off the record,
27:20 there must have been a chat,
27:21 you know,
27:22 and she must have also said,
27:23 yes,
27:24 see what kind of politics is happening,
27:25 what will we do,
27:26 or do you think that she has already taken the name of Marim Nawaz?
27:29 Ok, so it is anybody's guess,
27:32 but I don't think that,
27:33 that before this,
27:35 there must have been a thought process,
27:37 or there must have been a discussion,
27:38 or a conversation,
27:39 that I should say something like this,
27:40 I,
27:41 I think,
27:42 I disagree with you,
27:43 on that,
27:44 without thinking,
27:45 talking so harshly,
27:46 see,
27:47 it wasn't a fraudulent slip,
27:48 it wasn't a slip of tongue,
27:49 in which the name of Badami was to be taken,
27:51 the name of Sana Mujtaba was taken,
27:53 it was a very thoughtful speech,
27:55 in which the topic of charter of democracy was also discussed,
27:58 the topic of the Jamaats outside the Parliament was also discussed,
28:01 that they should also come and do it,
28:02 that you should also come and do it,
28:04 for me and Marim,
28:05 are you telling me that without thinking,
28:06 you did this speech?
28:07 No, no, I am not saying that,
28:10 you asked me if I think that after talking to Marim Nawaz,
28:13 I doubt,
28:14 it wasn't a fraudulent slip,
28:15 it wasn't just a slip of tongue,
28:17 but it went to the extent that,
28:19 there must have been a consultation,
28:20 a discussion,
28:21 then you say,
28:22 I don't think so,
28:23 yes, you must have thought it through,
28:24 in which I think,
28:26 it is anybody's guess,
28:27 I think that,
28:28 where she,
28:29 from her parents,
28:30 that is,
28:31 from Zardari sir,
28:32 and Nawaz Shah,
28:33 that the same thing you said,
28:35 that don't do such things,
28:37 that we take the same path and move forward,
28:39 and the people on the other side were also saying,
28:41 Sir, you also do a favor,
28:43 you remember,
28:44 Zardari sir also had a statement,
28:45 that we have this country for our children,
28:47 for our Bilawal,
28:48 for your Hamza,
28:49 then Marim Nawaz Shah was not in the ballot,
28:51 make it easy for them,
28:53 so I think,
28:54 this is a statement of thought,
28:56 but is there any consultation or something like that,
28:58 I doubt.
29:00 When is the election?
29:02 Today Rana Sir has said,
29:04 that it won't be this year,
29:06 I think,
29:07 it will be next year,
29:08 again,
29:09 it is anybody's guess,
29:10 but I will continue with Mr. Badami,
29:12 that it is okay that they didn't talk to each other,
29:14 but you think about this terrible fact,
29:17 that they have made a 30 year plan,
29:19 that they will die with Bilawal,
29:20 so what is your doubt in this?
29:22 No one else came forward,
29:23 so this is a 30 year plan,
29:25 in which we should be more disturbed,
29:26 than the politics of their forefathers,
29:29 it is only fair,
29:31 that if one Prime Minister can be hanged,
29:34 one Prime Minister can be exiled,
29:36 one Prime Minister can be thrown out on Akama,
29:38 on Panama,
29:39 then the other Prime Minister can be arrested in Toshakhana,
29:42 then anything can happen in this country,
29:44 so I think these elections,
29:45 if they happen before the elections of the Senate in March,
29:47 then they should happen,
29:48 otherwise,
29:49 Allah is the heir of this country,
29:50 by the way,
29:51 the joke of the constitution has become,
29:52 the constitution is there,
29:53 the constitution is there,
29:54 but there are no one to rule the constitution,
29:56 there were 112 bills in the session yesterday,
29:58 they reached only at number 48 till 5 pm,
30:00 in that also,
30:01 Palwasha and Sherry Rahman got hanged,
30:03 these are their own party rifts,
30:04 their own matters are,
30:06 that how the bill of Sarit Mushtaq,
30:08 they had a problem with each other,
30:10 that the summoned came,
30:11 that come and meet the big sir,
30:12 that what have you done,
30:13 why have you opposed this,
30:14 why didn't you follow our instructions,
30:16 so when this democracy is not in the parties,
30:18 then where should we look for democracy in the country,
30:20 if with any one viewpoint,
30:21 if you are not allowed to have a disagreement in the party,
30:23 why did Mushtaq Anwar Khokhar sir go,
30:25 what was the reason,
30:26 this was the disagreement,
30:27 that you don't like the way things are going,
30:29 so this will happen,
30:30 that you have to get out of parliament,
30:32 you have to like it as long as your leadership likes it,
30:34 yes,
30:35 the problem of our country is,
30:36 if your leadership says that what is happening is right,
30:38 then you have to say the same,
30:39 and if your leadership disagrees with this,
30:41 then you have to say that yes,
30:43 now we disagree with this,
30:44 this is our unfortunate reality,
30:46 this is your right,
30:47 but Mr. Badami,
30:48 in your opinion,
30:49 Rana sir said that this year there is no election,
30:51 Raja sir said that it is after 6 months,
30:53 is it after 6 months?
30:54 Ok, I see it like this,
30:58 I think,
30:59 and if you have any counter argument,
31:01 then tell me,
31:02 why will they not have elections,
31:03 the relevant people,
31:04 now it is fine,
31:05 they need 1-2 months more,
31:06 so that everything else gets set,
31:08 now will the system run in the air,
31:10 where even if March comes,
31:12 the system will run without parliament,
31:14 without Ayawans Zeni,
31:16 Ayawans Bala will also fly,
31:18 the system will run like this,
31:19 what is the alternative to this,
31:21 a parliament will come,
31:22 so if a parliament comes,
31:23 and a minister comes,
31:25 so will the one who has to do,
31:27 or has to get done,
31:28 will he not be able to do it,
31:29 it is not like that,
31:30 so that is why I feel that,
31:31 maybe,
31:32 Ok, I will ask you a counter question,
31:33 what will happen if,
31:34 see with the new restrictions,
31:36 you cannot increase the seats,
31:38 you cannot do this,
31:40 that Punjab's 8th gets reduced,
31:42 Balochistan's increases,
31:43 Karachi's increases,
31:44 so these restrictions are not giving you anything,
31:47 except that you have to change the band,
31:51 it is possible that wherever there is a strong person,
31:53 that person should be cut and made strong,
31:57 and made to win,
31:59 which is often the case in Pakistan's politics,
32:01 so you feel that,
32:02 this will be done in the next 3 months,
32:04 because if this is not done,
32:06 then why should the system go on for 3 months,
32:08 Nizam?
32:10 This will definitely be done,
32:12 this unfortunately,
32:14 but goes without saying,
32:15 this will definitely happen,
32:16 and this is happening,
32:17 it is happening at the municipal level,
32:18 and at the provincial and provincial level,
32:19 so this will happen,
32:20 but apart from this,
32:21 I also feel that,
32:22 because till September,
32:24 the respected Justice is also sitting,
32:26 and the thought is that,
32:27 the cases cannot be increased so fast,
32:29 that there should not be any issue,
32:31 so maybe,
32:32 this thought is also there,
32:33 that if we get 1-2 months,
32:35 then we will be able to,
32:36 and all the other cases,
32:37 cases versus all this,
32:38 the PTI chair,
32:39 all those things,
32:40 they will reach their end,
32:42 but after that,
32:43 taking it till March,
32:45 I will be surprised,
32:46 why will not everyone want,
32:47 that there is a system,
32:48 that this election is done,
32:49 this is the government,
32:50 this is for the next 5 years,
32:51 so IMF,
32:52 whatever it is,
32:53 and deal with this,
32:54 because I feel,
32:55 worse than worse,
32:56 there is one thing,
32:57 that is unpredictable,
32:58 unpredictable situation,
32:59 so if the system continues in this air,
33:01 then there will be unpredictability,
33:02 and there will be more issues,
33:03 so I will be surprised,
33:05 I think,
33:06 the issue of elections should not go till March,
33:09 He is surprised that it will go before 6 months,
33:11 will you be surprised?
33:13 In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
33:14 the results of the elections,
33:16 you see,
33:17 who had the giant lead,
33:19 PTI,
33:20 what is the vote bank saying,
33:22 till the time the vote bank says nothing,
33:24 no one will vote,
33:25 then these issues will continue,
33:27 you think if till March,
33:28 this vote bank is not affected,
33:29 and if this runner sister comes,
33:31 JUFA,
33:32 then you tell me,
33:33 what will happen of the elections in Punjab,
33:34 which side will the vote go,
33:35 and then Mr. Nawaz Sharif has to come back,
33:37 to reduce the storm of inflation,
33:39 and then do his political campaigning,
33:41 and that too when the Chief will change,
33:43 then he will also need 2-3 months,
33:45 Chief Justice will change,
33:46 Chief Justice,
33:47 sorry sir,
33:48 I forgot,
33:49 Chief Justice of Pakistan,
33:50 you know the Chief,
33:51 but Chief Justice will come after the change of Pakistan,
33:53 and when he changes,
33:54 then he also needs a few months,
33:56 how will the vote bank change in 6 months,
33:58 we will see how it changes,
34:00 when it changed in 2017,
34:02 and in 2017,
34:04 people can change,
34:05 how will the vote bank change,
34:06 the vote bank has reached the limit,
34:08 how will the RTS sit,
34:09 that will be raised on that day,
34:10 that will be raised after 3 months,
34:11 I am saying,
34:12 you leave the level of subtlety,
34:14 there will be subtlety,
34:16 no one believes in the constitution,
34:18 and the constitution that is being made,
34:20 is based on the law,
34:21 so they don't need any facilitation,
34:23 we make this law,
34:24 and make fools of people,
34:25 we want to keep it subtle,
34:27 but obviously,
34:28 it's blatant,
34:29 Sir,
34:30 today,
34:31 on 8th August,
34:32 on 22nd,
34:33 Mr. Arshad Sharif did his last program,
34:35 after that,
34:36 you know,
34:37 he was martyred,
34:38 in Kenya,
34:39 just in his memory,
34:41 the opening he did,
34:43 of that day,
34:44 we want you to listen,
34:46 this was his last program,
34:48 on 8th August, 2020.
34:50 Pakistan and all over the world,
34:52 see and listen to,
34:53 Arshad Sharif's Salam,
34:54 Ladies and gentlemen,
34:55 today,
34:56 9 Muharram-ul-Haram,
34:57 and in the memory of Hazrat Imam Hussain,
34:59 a mournful procession was held,
35:00 all over the country,
35:02 and from the life of Hazrat Imam Hussain,
35:04 we get a lesson,
35:05 that in the face of cruelty,
35:06 the head cannot bow,
35:07 but it can be cut.
35:09 Let's take a break,
35:12 and come back after the break.