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12:32 to China to penetrate the rule of Philippines. But the American government didn't admit this court, so how can it resort to decision or ruling of this court that is not admitted? This is very funny.
12:46 Yes. Moving to my guest in Beijing, Dr. Shaher Alshahir. The professor of the university there.
12:53 Dr. after this talk, let's talk about this region, a region that is loaded with huge wealth, as you know, and therefore it is supposed to be a place of conflict.
13:05 How much of these countries, which are paid by the United States, according to some observers, also have a right in the Sea of China according to the sea law? And how much do they also demand these rights individually without external influence?
13:25 At the beginning, we may say that the international law is always a law that tends to the political side more than the legal side.
13:35 On the other hand, what does China rely on? China relies on historical rights. It says that it has historical rights in this region.
13:44 It has already put a map, the map of China, and it did not need countries in this region. At that time, China was supported by the United States in its rights in this region.
13:54 In 2009, China also submitted a map to the United Nations. These countries did not need it. When the Philippines appeared and resorted to the international court in 2014,
14:05 the Philippines had already signed an agreement in cooperation with the United States, so the Philippines and others began to call for these claims.
14:14 From this perspective, China does not recognize the issue of the highest sea law in this region. We know that the highest sea law defines regional water for countries and defines economic water.
14:26 But as the dear guest said, even the United States does not recognize this law or this court.
14:33 From here, we can start with our idea. Does China recognize what the court says or does it recognize this law?
14:40 It does not recognize this law. By the way, even Taiwan does not recognize this law. If we assume that some countries view Taiwan as an independent country,
14:49 Taiwan does not accept to define regional and economic water based on the highest sea law. Therefore, we see this attack and focus only on the Chinese claims in this regard,
15:00 without pointing out that Taiwan also agrees with China in this regard that it does not recognize the highest sea law at this point.
15:09 Mr. Elham Lachau, in this studio, how far will this issue be from China? Perhaps you will refer to the issue of peace coexistence that you mentioned in your speech
15:22 and the attempt to make some kind of understanding in the region to solve this crisis.
15:28 Yes, this is a very important issue, especially when we talk about the so-called "new cold war" or the trade war between China and the United States.
15:38 In fact, the five principles of peace coexistence came from the President of the Chinese State Council, Zhou Enlai, in the 1950s.
15:49 These principles were welcomed by the developing countries, especially by the countries of the South, East and Asia, whether they were from the Philippines or even India.
16:05 But let's go back to the beginning of our topic, the political trends outside this region, the events that have controlled or prevented the common growth in this region,
16:18 the region of the South China Sea. Therefore, from the Chinese side, we face this problem through the common growth.
16:27 Mr. Elham Lachau, is China currently exploiting these resources?
16:31 In fact, when we talk about this region, there are commercial ships and also in the circuits, and in fact, the most important resources in this region are the sea.
16:46 All commercial ships can pass through this region freely, as our guest preferred.
16:54 There are also ships inside this sea, which are the most important, and they can cause a lot of problems for the oil industry in the world.
17:05 If Beijing is wrong, it will take advantage of it.
17:07 In fact, this is one of the reasons why I am talking about the issue of exploitation.
17:11 Because it is difficult to discover natural resources in the sea, even now that we have technology.
17:22 But in fact, China was an initiative to take advantage of these natural resources with neighboring countries,
17:29 whether it was with Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, and especially China has relatively powerful technology to discover these natural resources.
17:40 China wants to share with these countries, but in fact, there was a common vision or common concept with the Philippines, for example, to discover, to take advantage of these resources.
17:54 But unfortunately, with the new presidency of the Philippines, this has stopped.
18:00 Dr. Shahir Al-Shahir, six countries, as you know, are in dispute over the sovereignty of the South China Sea with these natural resources.
18:10 The studio's guest, who is a researcher in international affairs, says that China is open to cooperation even in the exploitation of the sea.
18:18 But these issues, as you know, are only possible under certain conditions and agreements of these countries.
18:30 Of course, China may call for a solution to the crisis through the ASEAN organization or through bilateral relations between the countries,
18:39 meaning that China does not want to enter the foreign trade.
18:42 If we go back to the summit of the ASEAN and look at the latest meeting that took place, we see that the countries outside the ASEAN,
18:50 which are the United States, South Korea, and India, are the ones that have perhaps deviated from the path of this organization
18:57 and have become focused on the security situation and the differences between these countries and China and the development side.
19:05 This is the problem. I think China is facing a dilemma that we can call the curse of geography in the South China Sea,
19:12 because this region is not stable geographically. It is a changing region. Some islands appear there.
19:19 When these islands appear, China takes some of these islands, which it says it is following.
19:25 There are claims by other countries that these islands may be artificial and built by the Chinese.
19:33 Of course, the law of the sea requires that these islands belong to a country and that they are allowed to exist.
19:41 So, it is a dispute about the agreement on the principle. What is the source that we will base on?
19:47 Is there a law? Have we agreed on the existing law? I don't think this is not existing.
19:52 All of this also goes back to the bad colonial heritage. There are border problems.
19:57 It also goes back to the bad colonial heritage of China and its trade, as in many countries of the world today.
20:04 Ibrahim Lichaou, my guest here in the studio, how long will this problem and crisis remain?
20:10 Let's say it is a time bomb in this region. It will be resolved without any kind of agreement and coordination,
20:18 until ASEAN takes its major role in the development of this region.
20:22 Yes, this depends on the differences between China and the United States.
20:27 We are also talking about the superiority.
20:30 Either the United States is superior to China, or China is superior to the United States in terms of the end of the trade war.
20:36 Even less so in terms of the trade war.
20:39 In fact, China, with the Belt and Road Initiative, with all the joint projects with ASEAN countries,
20:45 whether it is the rapid train in Indonesia, or the airports in Laos, or in a number of other countries,
20:53 China is now seeking to benefit from the joint development with these countries,
20:59 especially with the Belt and Road Initiative.
21:02 We noticed that there is a very important point with the strategic partnership relations between China and ASEAN countries.
21:09 The trade between the two countries has doubled in the last ten years.
21:17 At the same time, the United States is seeking to take advantage of the differences between China and these countries,
21:24 especially with the criticism from the American foreign policy.
21:30 The United States is interested in the trade relations with ASEAN countries, instead of the multilateral relations.
21:40 This is very important.
21:42 In less than a minute, Dr. Shahir, how will this crisis be resolved in your estimation?
21:46 Will it be a negotiation? Will it be a thorn in this region?
21:52 I think that the future will make Beijing able to impose a realistic policy.
21:57 If it is necessary, we know that the Chinese naval forces are developing today.
22:02 The assumption of China's containment by the United States is no longer a good thing today in terms of operation.
22:08 Why? Because the United States cannot provide an alternative to China to these ASEAN countries,
22:15 and the countries of the South China Sea, which have great economic and historical relations with China,
22:22 and they need to cooperate with China.
22:24 I think that these countries are convinced that foreign action will not benefit them,
22:28 and that the United States, historical studies prove that it will not provide the support required for any country in the world,
22:34 what is happening in Ukraine.
22:36 And perhaps a lesson for all countries in the world, that the United States only wants to provoke conflicts,
22:40 to escalate the situation in this region and to send it to its containment and prevent it from being compromised.
22:46 Thank you, Dr. Shahir, for your participation in the Sanya Sun University.
22:50 I would like to add Mr. Henry Chow, the Chinese researcher in the field of international relations,
22:55 thank you very much for being with us.
22:58 Thank you, dear viewers, for watching this program,
23:01 in which we discussed one of the sources of tension and conflict in relation to the geographical situation,
23:07 as they say, in the South China Sea.
23:09 Goodbye.
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