00:00 This is the biggest question. You have talked about the art of possibilities.
00:05 So, these possibilities must have become possible.
00:08 That is why Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is giving the number 172.
00:11 Has the discussion started or has it reached the end?
00:14 There is a lot of speculation.
00:16 Politicians are there.
00:17 They look at politics.
00:18 They look at the constituencies.
00:20 Every political party knows its constituencies.
00:23 They know the other constituencies.
00:24 All the numbers are assumed.
00:27 And everyone has a forecast.
00:29 Everyone has a forecast.
00:31 Media gives it.
00:32 There are surveys.
00:33 Everyone knows what is going to happen in which constituency.
00:35 Everyone plans for it.
00:36 This is absolutely right.
00:37 Everyone has an estimate of the upcoming elections.
00:40 It goes from 19 to 20 and then 18 to 20.
00:42 So, everyone will plan.
00:44 As far as I am concerned, I would like to say something to Mr. Bhatti.
00:48 Mr. Bhatti, the analysis of a journalist is based on his journalism.
00:51 He has been a journalist all his life.
00:53 The analysis of a grassroot political scientist or his calculation is a little different.
00:58 It is not necessary that you should agree with me.
01:00 I am talking as a political worker.
01:03 And I understand that every political party has a dream, a desire to make a government.
01:10 The first word of a political party's desire is not that when we sit in opposition, we will do this.
01:16 Everyone wants to make a government.
01:18 And this is his desire.
01:20 This is his want.
01:21 As far as the position of Punjab is concerned, what is the position of Sindh, what is the position of other states and what are the numbers?
01:30 All this will be with numbers.
01:32 And the unions that Mr. Bhatti gave as an example, when you are sitting in an assembly and there is a parliamentary move,
01:40 for example, the vote of no confidence move,
01:43 then the parliamentary parties will discuss with their leaders.
01:47 That is why there is no permanent friendship, no permanent enemy.
01:51 Mr. Khan made a mistake in understanding any politician.
01:53 Okay, then this point, Mr. Raza.
01:55 In the era of Mr. Khan, were his chairmen sitting, were the prime ministers sitting,
02:00 did we not see the votes of the MPs being sold in the KP assembly?
02:03 It happened, it happened.
02:04 But then tell me, you said that this is an artistic possibility.
02:07 You said, there are many examples like that.
02:10 But Mr. Raza, I am sorry, I am very much sorry.
02:12 Tell me, if you are talking to the independents, this has happened, then why not with the party?
02:21 Because this is the community, which is obviously at the same situation as it is now,
02:27 where it will fight with the independent candidates.
02:29 But where there are artistic possibilities, then why is it not possible that
02:33 it can be discussed with the leadership of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf?
02:36 Who said that this is not a possibility?
02:38 It can definitely happen.
02:40 There is no doubt about it.
02:42 If such a situation arises, you have heard Mr. Khan's statement two days ago,
02:46 that he is ready, he is prepared to talk.
02:48 He wants to have a dialogue.
02:50 But there is a problem with PTI.
02:52 You will not understand.
02:53 Today, is there any official of PTI?
02:56 There is no chairman.
02:57 This party is a leaderless party.
02:59 Who is this party talking to?
03:01 Barrister Gauhar is there.
03:02 I know that there is an officer.
03:03 He is not accepting ACP, but PTI does accept.
03:06 No, who is the chairman of this party?
03:08 Barrister Gauhar is there.
03:10 PTI accepts.
03:11 No, Anika, please, your viewers are there.
03:14 He is not accepting ACP.
03:16 Senator Waleed, is there a consensus on this matter within PTI that there is a chairman or not?
03:23 Because in today's Voice of America interview,
03:29 they have said that the chairman was Mr. Khan before and is still Mr. Khan and will remain so.
03:34 So, is there a chairman?
03:37 The person who is nominated by the second chairman is Barrister Gauhar.
03:43 You can call him the election commissioner.
03:45 Barrister Gauhar is the chairman of the Nigrahan party.
03:49 As long as Imran Khan is legally bound by any restrictions.
03:54 And all the discussion that is happening in this program,
03:58 I am very satisfied with this.
04:00 All the people are imagining that even though they have different electoral signs from the PTI platform,
04:10 despite the challenge, people will be elected in a good number.
04:16 And as Mr. Bhatti said, you can write it down.
04:19 He has written it down, I am also writing it down.
04:21 If he is saying that 80% will go to PPP or IPP,
04:26 I am saying that 80% will stay on the PTI platform and will be elected on the PTI platform.
04:34 And they will have brought votes from the PTI voters.
04:37 They will have the knowledge and understanding that we have to go back to those voters.
04:41 We also have to go in our circles.
04:43 It is easy to say that within two days,
04:46 they have seen the politics of the last 30-40 years.
04:53 I will repeat this sentence again.
04:56 It is easy to say that this will not happen.
04:59 But Senator Wali, I am very satisfied and happy.
05:02 I don't know if you are satisfied or happy that people should be elected in a good number.
05:05 But you have said that more than 80% will stay with you.
05:08 Mr. Bhatti is saying that more than 80% will disappear.
05:11 Now, if this is corrected, we will sit down and see what happens after the elections on 11th and 12th February.
05:17 We will know. Within three days, the whole situation will be clear.
05:20 It will be very obvious.
05:22 But tell me, if Olive Branch…
05:24 I am saying that this is a matter of time.
05:26 You have to still plan.
05:28 Obviously, they have decided the number game.
05:31 The Pakistan People's Party is saying that they will give us 172.
05:34 You are saying that this is a matter of time.
05:36 But tell me, if Olive Branch comes to your leadership for the People's Party,
05:39 no doubt, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has named the former Prime Minister or the current Chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf as the elected one.
05:46 No doubt, you did not want to shake hands with each other.
05:49 The former Prime Minister said that he did not want to shake hands.
05:52 But if an Olive Branch is shown, will Pakistan accept it or reject it?
05:59 I think it will be more important, and I am saying this after thinking about it,
06:04 that this is still a matter of time.
06:06 It has only been a week since the Supreme Court's decision was made.
06:09 History will give its own judgment about this.
06:12 The current Chief Justice of Pakistan goes to the account of Justice Munir,
06:19 who is remembered in the history of Pakistan.
06:22 Or he goes to the account of Justice Cornelius, who was a great and glorious person.
06:28 That is a different matter.
06:30 But after this, especially, and I have been saying this before,
06:34 if a political party wants to show that it is standing with the democracy,
06:38 then it should say that we are with you, whatever happened with you was wrong.
06:42 We do not want to fight elections in such an environment.
06:45 Your leaders should be released, your mark should be given,
06:50 then we will fight, even if we lose.
06:52 These are the parameters on which I really think that if the political parties…
06:56 Senator, I am sorry, but you are not boycotting,
06:59 so how are you expecting the People's Party to boycott?
07:02 I am not saying that they should boycott, I am saying that they should take a stand.
07:09 And if two big parties take this stand, PMLN and PPP,
07:14 then obviously all those who are concerned, who are non-democratic,
07:19 they will also realize that the political parties are really acting as political parties,
07:24 and the democracy and the long-term democracy,
07:27 which can make this order and peace in Pakistan,
07:31 and can make happiness and certainty in Pakistan.
07:34 The experience of the whole world is that only a strong and long-term democracy can do this.
07:39 Raza Arun sir, you wanted to say something.
07:41 I think this is an important thing.
07:43 Raza sir, you want to add something to it.
07:46 Look, I am surprised by what Waleed bhai is saying,
07:50 that for this, you should have a dialogue.
07:52 You do not meet anyone, you do not know anyone, you have said this,
07:57 I do not know if your party's Waleed bhai, who is the elected chairman,
08:01 or selected, or nominated, or the caretaker, he has to do something.
08:05 You will sit at home, you will not meet anyone, you will not get together,
08:08 you have to do politics, and as Bhatti sir was saying,
08:10 look at the past decisions, look at the past behavior.
08:13 So that reconciliation process, or the dialogue should have been done,
08:16 or the politicians should have kept themselves in through the dialogue,
08:19 all those opportunities you have cornered others,
08:24 or used language against them, you should have closed those doors.
08:29 The political method is exactly what Waleed bhai is saying.
08:32 But for that, I have not seen any approach, any intention.
08:38 Yes, Waleed sir, before I go to Bhatti sir, answer us.
08:41 That you sit at home and break bread, and then expect, that is not possible.
08:45 No, if you sit at home and break bread, I would say that
08:48 either these big political parties that are in the field,
08:52 which are being tried in every possible way to keep them out of the field,
08:56 if those big parties, apart from us, are interested in democracy,
09:02 then they would have shown their stand.
09:05 I can see that they are not interested, because their only interest is to come into power.
09:10 Then we will see, the price they will have to pay, the future will tell.
09:14 Because after 8th February, these small details,
09:17 that who will go here, who will go there, on independence,
09:20 after 8th February, what will happen, that also everyone needs to see.
09:23 This will not be an easy task.
