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New York Community Bancorp plunges again after Moody's downgrades to junk.

New York Community Bancorp Appoints Alessandro (Sandro) Dinello As Executive Chairman Effective Immediately.

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00:00 I guess we'll start with the regional banks, NYCB all over the place.
00:06 Yeah. So you had this stock, it absolutely crushed yesterday, closed down 22%. You had a Moody's
00:12 downgrade come in, moved the stock lower, and then a couple more downgrades came in. But instead of
00:18 going lower from there, traders decided, "No, we're going to go ahead and buy this." Let me
00:21 pull up a chart on the five minute and you can see what's been going on this morning.
00:26 And looks like we popped off and now selling off again. So multiple headlines here. So you
00:33 get the Moody's downgrade last night, and you get obviously multiple downgrades overnight. The stock
00:38 ticked under $3.50. I saw $3.50 last night. Is that what you saw too, Joel?
00:43 The after hours low, yep, $3.50, right? $3.50. So we were down another 70 cents on a $4 stock.
00:51 So I don't know what the math, down another 15, 16% or whatever that adds up to. So it was really
00:57 ugly last night. And it looked like, "Man, we're going to come in here, have a really ugly day for
01:01 the banks, really ugly day for the regional banks." KRE was getting smacked last night,
01:05 getting smacked again this morning. And then about 30 minutes ago, NYCB came out with a headline,
01:12 and this was the game changer here, is they're appointing Alessandro Daniello as Executive
01:19 Chairman effective immediately. I believe, and I'm not 100%, but I believe this person came from
01:25 Flagstar, which like you said, Joel, this is where NYCB came from if we go way back. So they are
01:33 bringing back, or I don't know if Alessandro was ever there originally, because I don't know the
01:38 story here, but they're coming in with some guns here, obviously trying to save this bank. Because
01:45 when you're seeing a stock go from 10 to 6 to 350, Moody's downgrading, you're like, "Holy crap,
01:51 could this bank fail?" So they're coming in with a new Executive Chairman effective immediately
01:56 to come in and try to save this bank. That's why it's popping. It's popping on a hope that
02:01 maybe this Executive Chairman can make a difference. We are coming off those highs,
02:04 unfortunately. 8.30 Eastern, they're going to have a conference call. So in 30 minutes,
02:10 24 minutes from right now, they're going to have a conference call discussing these changes. So
02:15 lots to chew on here if you're watching the regional bank story.
02:19 The Flagstar Bank, the good purchase, right? Helped the stock out, the transition. This was
02:26 a while ago, Flagstar, Midwest Bank. But they got a little bit greedy, right? They got the assets
02:33 from, I believe, from SIVB. They took on more assets, got in a little bit over their head here.
02:40 And then, and now, where are the assets they got from SIVB? They're some big buildings in New York
02:48 City and commercial property. So the question is, is where's the mark on these things? They're
02:53 trying to go to the market here. If they need to unload some of these loans, where's the market
02:59 going to be? What is the true value? So boy, it's bouncing around like a ping pong.
03:05 It's really bouncing around.
03:06 Yeah. A lot of-
03:07 Can you bring up a chart of it, Joel? Bring up the chart.
03:09 Yeah. I'll bring up the chart. I was just going to say from this press release real quick,
03:12 it does look like Danello has been with the company as a non-executive chairman of the board
03:19 since December 2022 after the Flagstar Bank acquisition. And now they're just adjusting
03:25 his role instead of being the non-executive chairman of the board to be the executive
03:29 chairman of the board. So I don't know, just that slight language change there.
03:34 You're seeing this again. We got all the way up to around $5, selling off again now back below $4.50.
03:40 Yeah. Wild.
03:41 And we've got the call started in 22 minutes. So I mean, we'll be-
03:45 The call is going to make it more wild. What are they going to say on the call? You know
03:48 what they're going to say. They're going to come in and say, "Liquidity is sound. We're okay."
03:54 Because that's what they always say. And when they say that, and they have to say that,
03:58 it means it's probably usually the opposite. But again, so just explaining people who don't
04:03 understand liquidity and banks, not that I'm a banking expert, but I got the gist of it.
04:08 My wife used to be a banker. It's all built on confidence. Banking system is all built on
04:13 confidence because you have short-term deposits. And then so a lot of majority banks are forwarding
04:20 short and lending long. They can't just all of a sudden call in these mortgages.
04:24 "Hey, we need some money. We need you to pay more of your mortgage off." So if you have
04:29 short-term demand, meaning the depositors come in and say, "Hey, give me my money. I'm not
04:35 comfortable here." They can meet those to a certain extent. After so long, like let's say you get up to
04:41 10% of depositors, 15% of depositors, 20% of depositors come in and say, "Give me my money now."
04:46 Then you have a liquidity crunch where they don't have that money now because they've lent it out
04:52 for the next 30 years in some cases to Joe guy over there at 3% for his mortgage. So I mean,
04:58 this is the issue that's plaguing all these regional banks is they obviously borrow short
05:03 for the most part and they lend very long. So it's a mismatch of maturities that's really
05:10 the danger here. So the danger, it's fine if nobody asks for their money. But if people start
05:15 going in and saying, "I see what's happening in the stock. I'm uncomfortable here. I want my money."
05:20 Then you can get into a situation where you could have a bank run and that's where a bank can fail.
05:25 The other thing too is that they were a smaller regional bank and then they picked up those
05:29 assets and now they're in a larger category. So their credit line or what they need to cover
05:37 their credit is ballooned and that's running into the problem. But right now trading up 32 cents at
05:46 452 of course, you'd be on the call at 830 will have an impact. Just see how it shakes out today.
05:54 The one thing you have to worry about if you're picking it up here is that there's a lot of
05:57 overhead supply here. This thing was at seven. I mean, you look at the end of last week, this thing
06:03 was over 10 bucks. So you have your shorter term traders just coming in for scalps. They don't care
06:09 if it goes back to five. They don't care if it goes back to six. They don't care if it goes back
06:13 to seven. They're looking to book small profits. So we'll see if pre-market low is a ways away.
06:20 It seemed to have found a bid after finding that new executive.
06:24 And you hope it stabilizes. We don't want to see another banking crisis here. And people saying,
06:31 "Oh, it's only 1% of the carry. Who cares?" Because it's a contagion effect here where you
06:37 have a bank fail and it's like, "Oh, we saw this back in March of last year." And then they worry
06:41 about this bank and then they worry, "Well, am I safe over in this one? Am I safe over in this one?"
06:45 And all of a sudden, you have a situation where none of these banks are as safe as they were
06:51 before. That's what you don't want to see happen. So good that it's bouncing here this morning.
06:55 Would have been bad to come in and this thing is at like 250 because of the booties downgrade.
07:01 We're wondering how many days it has less to survive. So it's nice that it's seeing a relief
07:06 rally here. It's nice that they're identifying that they needed to do something. We'll have to
07:10 wait and see what they say on this conference call. Chat, obviously we're doing a live show here.
07:14 So we will lean on the chat too. If anybody wants to listen to that conference call,
07:18 it'd be great to get some info from that as well. Final note, final note. There's other
07:22 rating agencies besides Moody's and that's what we saw with some of the other banks. The Moody's
07:27 comes in and then S&P or the other companies come in. Moody's made the first move. That's
07:34 one thing that you got to be cognizant of is that there could be other downgrades coming down the
07:39 road. Remember the whole market traded down off Moody's downgrade in the US credit outlook last
07:44 year? It's ridiculous that we lean on these ratings, Aaron, as much as we care.
07:50 And take it back to the financial crisis here. All these ratings companies got it all dead wrong.
07:56 They were like, "Oh yeah, we have all these subprime mortgages, AAA." Remember, they had all
08:04 the subprime mortgages and all these other packaged up and I'm butchering it here. But the ratings
08:09 agency has had it all wrong in the financial crisis and they were partially responsible for it.
08:14 So now we look and you sit here and you're like, "Hey, leaning on what they say here,"
08:18 but they did a pretty dang bad job during the financial crisis. Yeah, Bear Stearns is sound.
08:23 Yeah, Lehman Brothers is sound. And then a month later, Lehman Brothers has failed and Bear
08:31 Stearns is to get bought out for $2 from JP Morgan. So I mean, just leaning on other people's
08:37 opinions, it's just, again, you have to respect it because they move price. But just saying,
08:43 "Oh, Moody's is saying this, so I'm going to buy this or sell this because of that."
08:49 I think it's just a tough game.

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