00:00S24's Philip Turrell joins me in the studio for more analysis on what we've been hearing
00:04from the two leaders. Philip, what would you say were the main takeaways?
00:08Well, I think the main takeaway was solidarity between the United States and France and the
00:14rest of Europe face to face with the aggression in Ukraine. Both leaders talking about that in
00:19their speeches. Emmanuel Macron speaking for much longer than Joe Biden, but saying that
00:25the people of Ukraine have shown remarkable courage and that France will continue its backing
00:31for as long as it will take. The security and stability of Europe depends on it. We have been
00:37discussing this, Joe Biden and Emmanuel Macron together, and what they're both standing up for
00:42is the respect of international law and freedom of the people. And then Emmanuel Macron thanking
00:49Joe Biden for being with Europe and standing with Europe in all of that. Joe Biden saying that
00:56the 180 heroes, veterans at the Normandy landing ceremony this week on the 6th of June are a sign
01:09of what can be achieved when allies come together in the face of evil. And that is something that
01:17he said we can still do. And that is something that we need to remember when it comes face to
01:22face with the situation in Ukraine, saying that we know what will happen if Putin gets Ukraine
01:29and Putin will continue to try to conquer other countries afterwards and we will not walk away
01:35from that. So really that is the key message being put forward by those two leaders standing
01:41side by side, face to face, determined in what they say is their resolution together to make
01:48sure that Ukraine wins the war against the Russians. Yeah, unity in supporting Ukraine.
01:54They also talked about their unity in wanting a full ceasefire deal and the release of all
01:58hostages in Gaza. Yeah, that was the first remark that was made by Emmanuel Macron saying that when
02:05he was talking about Gaza, he wants the immediate release of all the hostages and open negotiations
02:12on security for both people. No mention of a two-state solution by Emmanuel Macron in that
02:19speech, but saying we demand a ceasefire and we will support the US proposition on that. And
02:27Joe Biden saying very briefly that we are working together on what is happening in both the Middle
02:34East and in North Africa, but with no real reference to the situation in Gaza right now.
02:41But Emmanuel Macron did also bring up the subject of Lebanon, saying that there needs to be
02:46coordination in discussions between Israel and Lebanon and that is something that both he and
02:51Joe Biden will be working towards. Macron also brought up one touchier issue, Philip, that they
02:57don't quite see eye to eye on, that's the economy. Well, there have been frictions between both sides,
03:05particularly over the idea that the United States was going to slap tariffs on the import of
03:13Chinese goods. And the fact that that would also affect vehicles coming from France, for example,
03:20French built cars that had Chinese components in them, which would be taxed at a much higher rate
03:25and that would undermine the export of vehicles to the United States, which is a big market for
03:33French car builders. And I think there seems to be some kind of opening there that obviously the
03:42two leaders have been discussing that. But it's true that there is friction over imports and
03:51tariffs. There is also friction over what is happening in the South Pacific, for example.
03:58And also, the two leaders don't see eye to eye going back to Ukraine on the idea that France
04:04has been putting forward of sending troops to Ukraine, French troops to help train Ukrainian
04:11forces. That has been pretty coldly received by Washington. So I think there's a notion in the
04:17United States that Emmanuel Macron is a young and dynamic leader and coming up with ideas, whereas
04:24Joe Biden is someone who is much more reflective, much more opposed and someone who won't speak up
04:30until he's absolutely sure about what he's going to do, which is completely the opposite of
04:34Emmanuel Macron. But I think what we've seen in this press conference, what we've seen not only
04:39just now, but also earlier today in the visit of the Champs-Élysées and the Arc de Triomphe by
04:46two leaders in front of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is this great solidarity between France
04:52and the United States, something I think both countries, both leaders are very keen to show,
04:57particularly when they know they are face to face with Russian aggression and the threat
05:02of a new war in Europe.
