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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program.
00:21You saw the budget yesterday, it was presented in front of the National Assembly.
00:26And the different numbers of the budget have come in front of you.
00:31Today, all the newspapers have covered the budget.
00:34Obviously, when the budget is presented, the next day the headline story of all the newspapers, programs of TV channels, all the focus is on the budget.
00:44First of all, the way the newspapers have covered it, they put it in front of you.
00:48The world newspaper said that the additional taxes of 38 Kharab have been covered by 5 tax slabs in front of you.
00:57On behalf of the world newspaper, additional taxes on private sectors in government salaries.
01:02This is a different angle that came in front of you.
01:04After that, viewers, you can see Express News, which is 18,857 ARAB's loyal budget page.
01:1415% increase in pension, mobile phone, cigarette is expensive, this is a different angle.
01:21If you see the story of Dawn, aggressive taxation proposed to unlock the IMF program.
01:27Obviously, we have to go along with the IMF.
01:30We need a package of 6 to 8 billion.
01:34It is very important.
01:35The news has covered it.
01:36Loaded with taxes, budget to rack an additional rupee 3.8 trillion under IMF dictate.
01:43The budget presented by the IMF is loaded with taxes.
01:48We need 3.8 trillion more.
01:52Business Recorder is saying that a constrained budget under the long shadow of IMF stipulations.
01:59Obviously, we are talking to the IMF.
02:02We need 6 to 8 billion dollars.
02:07Obviously, we can't live without it.
02:10When asked, last night during an interview, our finance minister, Mr. Aurangzeb,
02:16he admitted that yes, IMF is on board.
02:21Is the IMF satisfied with this budget?
02:24When this budget has been announced, has it been taken on board?
02:28At the moment, the talks we had with them, when the mission was here for 8 to 10 days,
02:35there is absolute alignment.
02:37So, the newspapers have also covered it.
02:39There is alignment.
02:40And with the IMF dictate, we are bringing this budget.
02:44Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman, the Amir of Jamaat-e-Islami,
02:48what is he saying about the demands of the IMF and the government of the time's response to it?
02:54You go to all of Latin America.
02:56Countless countries are like this.
02:58They bargain with the IMF.
03:00They say, if you want to default, do it.
03:02We can't give.
03:03And then these loans are rescheduled.
03:05But our loans are not rescheduled either,
03:07because we don't have the courage to talk to them properly.
03:10This salary class has collected 326 billion rupees in taxes.
03:14Kill the poor.
03:16Destroy the middle class.
03:18But don't say anything to the employers and investors.
03:21This is the budget of the IMF.
03:23Sir, the biggest focus of this budget is on taxes.
03:27And taxes, you know, are indirect taxes.
03:30The poor class has a lot of salary.
03:33Because they have a salary.
03:35Because it is very easy to collect taxes on them.
03:37You can collect taxes according to your salary and get money.
03:41The six slabs that have been proposed are already there.
03:45What is the ratio of taxes in it?
03:47We will put it in front of you.
03:49Like the Rabwah Mali year, there are only six tax slabs in the new budget.
03:53However, their rates have been changed in five slabs.
03:56In the first slab, there are people whose salary is 600,000 rupees annually.
03:59And no income tax is imposed on them.
04:02The second slab is of such people whose annual income is more than 600,000, but up to 120,000.
04:07Such people will have to pay 5% tax on income more than 600,000.
04:11This was 2.5% in the Rabwah Mali year.
04:14Therefore, it has doubled.
04:16The third slab will have a fixed tax of 30,000 for individuals with an annual income of 120,000 to 220,000.
04:23In addition, 15% tax will be imposed on income more than 12,000.
04:27This was 15,000 fixed in the Rabwah Mali year and 12.5% tax on income more than 12,000.
04:33So you can guess how big it is.
04:35The fourth slab is for people whose annual income is more than 220,000 and up to 220,000.
04:42They will have to pay a tax of 25% on income more than 180,000 fixed and 220,000.
04:49This was 165,000 fixed in the Rabwah Mali year and 22.5% tax on income more than 24,000.
04:56Similarly, the fifth slab is for people with an annual income of 32,000 to 41,000.
05:03They will have to pay a tax of 430,000 fixed and 30% tax on income more than 32,000.
05:09This was 435,000 fixed and 27.5% tax on income more than 36,000.
05:17You can also see the increase in this.
05:20The sixth slab is for people with an annual income of more than 41,000.
05:25They will have to pay a tax of 7,00,000 fixed on income more than 41,000 and 35% tax on income more than 41,000.
05:31This was 10,95,000 fixed and 35% tax on income more than 60,000.
05:38This is it, viewers.
05:40First, the opinion of our panelists.
05:41Immediate reaction.
05:42Yesterday, you saw the budget.
05:43Today, you read it in all the newspapers.
05:45Mr. Nagri, what is your immediate reaction?
05:50After listening to the budget speech, you read it in all the newspapers.
05:55As a layman, as a common Pakistani, we look at the budget every year.
06:05What is your reaction?
06:09Budget is the name of intentions.
06:11Intentions can be anything.
06:13You can write any number.
06:15You can declare any number.
06:17But the most important thing is how smart you are in execution.
06:20You are able to execute those things.
06:22You are able to recover the tax that you talk about.
06:27The expenses that you have, will they really be in that amount?
06:31Or will this money also go somewhere else like always?
06:33And there will be no historical work, which does not happen in Pakistan.
06:37Your hospital condition will not improve.
06:39Your education condition will not improve.
06:41Your public condition will not improve.
06:43If you do not improve these things, you will continue to give a limited budget.
06:47But you will not be able to improve the condition of this country.
06:49Because this case, I personally think, is not an economic case.
06:56This is a criminal case.
06:57The destruction of our economy is a criminal case.
06:59Because all this money, no matter how much money Pakistan has,
07:02no matter how much money it is, whether it is through the budget,
07:06or whether it is through some other means,
07:09that money is lost on the way.
07:11It does not reach the people.
07:13No matter how much you talk about numbers,
07:15no matter how much you talk about mathematics,
07:17no matter how much you talk about the fact that the people did not get anything,
07:19that the people were not given anything in this budget,
07:21that the people were taxed,
07:23no matter how much you talk about the people,
07:25but the money that you allocate for the people,
07:28if it does not reach the people,
07:30then this is a criminal case.
07:32And the mafias involved in this case,
07:34it is very important that the first action is taken against them.
07:37You are right.
07:38Viewers, from 2000 onwards,
07:40I have passed bills from the National Assembly,
07:43the finance bill, the budget has been passed, it has been covered.
07:46After every budget, the losses, the increase in taxes,
07:49we will do this, we will increase the tax net,
07:51we will put it on hospitals, we will put it on education.
07:53And Mr. Nagvi is absolutely right,
07:55that our educational institutions, our hospitals,
07:58our roads, our security issues,
08:00where taxes should be imposed,
08:02you can see that the situation is getting worse with every passing year.
08:06Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Singh,
08:08I don't know how much your salary is,
08:10I mean, the taxes that have been imposed on these poor people,
08:14on the working class,
08:16they have gone straight.
08:19No, it has increased many times.
08:22Now I don't understand how people will stay alive.
08:27You think this is a joke?
08:29And how many new taxes have been imposed?
08:31Do you want to collect 3800 billion or what?
08:34Yes, yes.
08:35What you have said is true.
08:37It is not 38 billion, it is 38 billion.
08:40No, no, 3800 billion.
08:42Yes, yes, additional taxes of 38 billion.
08:44Absolutely.
08:45Yes, yes.
08:46This means that this is not a joke.
08:48And what do you want to achieve from this?
08:55Sometimes you follow the IMF,
08:57sometimes you create a scene.
09:00I don't think they have anything to do with it.
09:03Whatever work is there,
09:05that is, there should be an arrangement for the rotary employment of big people,
09:09economic activity should be generated in the country,
09:13there is no focus on that.
09:15What do you want to say?
09:18I didn't understand,
09:19the budget that has been given yesterday,
09:21the People's Party is still adamant.
09:23They say we don't agree.
09:24We will talk about this.
09:25What is the view of the People's Party on this?
09:27Hassan, you try to find a positive side,
09:30something that you think is a budget.
09:33I am very happy.
09:34You have been taxed more,
09:36my budget is still there.
09:38People don't understand,
09:39tell them what I want to ask.
09:41So, the thing is that the IMF has a budget.
09:44Hmm?
09:45The IMF has a budget.
09:46Now, despite the IMF having a budget,
09:50the stock exchange gave a very strong rhythm.
09:54And today, I don't know how many points will go up.
09:56You know the internationally accepted opinion about the stock exchange, right?
09:59Sir, now I will complete the point.
10:01I am telling you, it is a trick.
10:02So, the thing is that the stock exchange responded well.
10:06Now, Mr. Naqvi was saying that
10:08what is the public getting in our budget.
10:12So, Mr. Naqvi, with apologies,
10:14whenever the budget has come to us,
10:16it is not about what the public will get.
10:19This budget is about what will be taken from the public.
10:22Because after that,
10:24you see, according to me,
10:27there are a few departments
10:30that are doing their work well.
10:32Otherwise, our current situation is deteriorating.
10:37But the health and education that you were talking about,
10:39so health and education has become a provincial subject.
10:42So, these provinces,
10:44how much budget do they allocate for health and education,
10:48this question is going to be more important there.
10:51What are they doing there in this regard?
10:53The four provinces,
10:55these responsibilities are made from the four provinces,
10:57the chief ministers,
10:58whether Punjab, Sindh, KP, or Balochistan,
11:01all of them should be focused.
11:03You are right, sir.
11:04But when the direction goes to the federal government,
11:06listen, when the direction goes to the federal government,
11:08it is a surprise that they save money and give it back.
11:10So, we have come to the issue of ICT.
11:12Do you know what the second important thing is?
11:14Because the way the NFC award is,
11:16it is very difficult for Wafaaq to pay his debts,
11:18his pensions, and his salary.
11:21The interest that he pays,
11:23it has become very difficult for him.
11:25Right now, we have understood that our stomach is also cut.
11:28This time, the inflation that has happened in defense,
11:31we could not increase the budget of defense to the extent
11:34that was needed to be increased.
11:36These are some of the limitations you have.
11:39Second, for crime control,
11:41the budget that you should have kept,
11:43we could not keep that either.
11:45But we have increased it a little.
11:47In any case, we should focus more on these departments.
11:50Crime control is more important.
11:52In my opinion, it lags somewhere.
11:54Viewers, another important aspect of this budget
11:56passed through our eyes.
11:58We worked on it.
12:00We found out that the charity hospital,
12:02viewers, taxes have also been imposed on it.
12:04The items that are being used at the charity hospital,
12:08there used to be 0% tax,
12:10it has been increased to 18%.
12:12There are syringes, tax trinkets, medical tubes,
12:16and other things that were being used there.
12:18And this is very surprising.
12:20This is the first time this has happened.
12:22Tax expert Mr. Arshad Shehzad is with us.
12:24We know from him that these charitable hospitals…
12:29It is not 18%, it is 22%.
12:31Okay, that is a different slab.
12:34You know that from Mr. Arshad Shehzad.
12:37Mr. Arshad Shehzad, can you hear me?
12:39Yes, we can hear you.
12:40Okay, please explain a little.
12:42This is a new thing, an unprecedented move
12:45from the present government.
12:47Because in the past, we have seen that
12:49charitable organizations are supported,
12:51subsidies are given, money is kept
12:53from various funds.
12:55Now they are taking money from them as well.
12:57What is this?
12:58Look, it is not unprecedented.
13:00Unfortunately, in 2022,
13:02the budget that came,
13:04they also withdrew this entry exemption.
13:08But in 6 months, the government realized
13:10that there was representation from all hospitals
13:12and charitable institutions.
13:14And after that, the government restored this entry.
13:17So, similar, I think, while making the budget,
13:21what they did last time in 2022,
13:24again, they have entered number 166,
13:27this is in Schedule 6.
13:28Schedule 6 basically deals with the exemption of sales tax.
13:31And the items in this schedule are exempt.
13:34So, this entry is actually in such a way
13:36that if you supply to a charitable hospital,
13:39and it is more than 50 beds,
13:41then the supply is not taxed.
13:43Now, if this entry exemption is omitted,
13:47then all supplies, as you said,
13:49be it syringes, be it x-rays, be it machines,
13:52be it their equipment, be it instruments,
13:55be it consumables,
13:56all kinds of supplies will be taxable.
13:59So, definitely, charitable hospitals,
14:01as you know, in Pakistan,
14:03the government is not able to support the health sector
14:07in the way it should.
14:09And in Pakistan, luckily or fortunately,
14:11there are some affluent classes here
14:14who are providing these services in the future.
14:17Now, they already run on donations, charity,
14:20and Zakat, etc.
14:22And if their cost is increased
14:25and indirect tax is imposed,
14:27then this is a very big thing.
14:29Okay, tell me one thing.
14:31No, no, Mr. Shadda.
14:32Yes, Mr. Nachez, I will come to you.
14:34Mr. Shadda, one thing that I want to know is that,
14:38well, it was not there before, now it is there.
14:40How much increase are you seeing in the percentage
14:43in the expenses of a common hospital?
14:46Suppose, a hospital is charging Rs. 100 before this,
14:50and if these taxes were imposed,
14:52then how much money would increase after that?
14:54And I was seeing that during our press conference,
14:56our finance minister was saying that
14:58the affluent classes should move forward,
15:01they should give money to schools and hospitals.
15:03These are the things that are involved in this.
15:05Now, no taxes have been imposed on that as well.
15:07Yes.
15:08Look, in any hospital,
15:10there are two types of expenses.
15:12One is administrative expense,
15:14there are salaries,
15:15or if there is a requirement,
15:17there are consumable items
15:18that are used with the patients
15:20in the treatment.
15:22So, if you subtract the administrative expense,
15:24then 60-70% of the cost,
15:2718% tax has been imposed on that.
15:29Mr. Chaudhary, our Chaudhary is asking a question.
15:31Respected, you are absolutely right.
15:33What I have understood is that
15:35this tax that has been imposed,
15:37and increased,
15:38and increased a lot,
15:40this is a program to kill the patients.
15:43It is amazing.
15:44Instead of these people,
15:45they are already dying.
15:47Because of inflation, unemployment,
15:49disorder,
15:51nothing is right for you.
15:53After that, if a patient is taken away,
15:55both the doctor and the patient are gone.
15:58What will happen to the hospital?
16:00All that load will be transferred to the common people.
16:03Isn't it?
16:04Absolutely, sir.
16:05This is a sales tax.
16:06Sales tax is an indirect tax.
16:08So, in any case,
16:09this has to be passed on.
16:10The patient's cost has to increase.
16:12Absolutely right.
16:13Mr. Naggi, would you like to comment or ask a question on this?
16:16No, that's fine.
16:17Thank you.
16:18Thank you very much, Mr. Shahzad.
16:19This is an important issue.
16:21Of course,
16:22there should be a discussion on this.
16:24If the tax has not been imposed on it till now,
16:26and it was tried in 2022,
16:28and when it was explained to them,
16:30and they understood,
16:31at that time,
16:32the PDM was already there.
16:34Now, I think,
16:35I hope they have understood,
16:37and when it will be explained to them,
16:39maybe they will understand.
16:40Our Finance Minister,
16:41let's go to the break.
16:42After the break,
16:43we will talk about
16:44this Pakistan Muslim,
16:45this Pakistan People's Party,
16:46this Punjabi,
16:47Mr. Chaudhary,
16:49they are playing hide-and-seek with each other.
16:52I am upset,
16:53you make me happy,
16:54you are happy,
16:55so I am upset.
16:56We will talk about this,
16:57after the break.
17:05Welcome back, viewers.
17:06Yesterday, you saw,
17:07when this budget was going to be presented,
17:11before that,
17:12all political parties,
17:13parliamentary parties,
17:14had a meeting.
17:15Of course,
17:16it is the opposition,
17:17on the day of the budget,
17:18they protested.
17:19But,
17:20this minority government,
17:22which is a united community,
17:24without which,
17:25a government cannot exist,
17:26that is the name of
17:27Pakistan People's Party.
17:28Because,
17:29if 71 people are on their side,
17:31then the government will fall.
17:32So,
17:33understand this,
17:34that if a government exists today,
17:36then only,
17:37on the support of
17:38Pakistan People's Party.
17:39If we can show that video,
17:41that Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
17:43he left,
17:44after that he said,
17:45I don't want to talk about this,
17:46we tried to convince him,
17:47but he said,
17:48I am going to my house,
17:49he sat in the car and left.
17:51And,
17:52there,
17:53many journalists,
17:54tried to question him,
17:55tried to ask him questions,
17:56but he did not answer them.
17:58Today,
17:59Yusuf Zaghlani,
18:00who is the chairman of Senate,
18:02senior leader of Pakistan People's Party,
18:04when he was asked,
18:05he said,
18:06we have some agreements,
18:08something was decided between us.
18:12We have talked,
18:14but in one sitting,
18:16it cannot be completed.
18:18So,
18:19there are some issues,
18:21which are related to the Prime Minister,
18:24which are related to the Chief Minister.
18:26So,
18:27their involvement is also there,
18:29so,
18:30we will make a strategy for that.
18:32The stance of the People's Party,
18:34is not of today.
18:36When,
18:37on our first day of negotiations,
18:40that was in writing.
18:42In writing,
18:43our issues,
18:44we just want them to be implemented.
18:47That's it.
18:49Now,
18:50let's talk about the written agreement.
18:52What was the written agreement?
18:54What is written in it?
18:56Khurshid Shah and Shamila Farooqi
18:58have put their opinions on it.
19:00What we have not been given confidence,
19:02we have not been discussed,
19:04on the PSTP,
19:06which was decided,
19:07that in all four provinces,
19:09the PSTP,
19:10will have to be discussed.
19:12We have not been given confidence in that.
19:15The People's Party had an agreement with the PMLN,
19:18in which,
19:19the PSTP of all four provinces,
19:21had to be discussed with the People's Party,
19:23and their input had to be taken,
19:24which did not happen,
19:25and that time has also passed.
19:26According to the agreement,
19:27it was decided,
19:28not to act on it,
19:29is ill-intentioned.
19:31This year,
19:32the PSTP was 950 billion,
19:34it was cut to 746 billion,
19:3630% was cut.
19:38It was necessary for them,
19:39to ask the PMLN,
19:40and to take our input.
19:43Yes, Mr. Hassan Ayub.
19:45Yes.
19:46I will tell you a meme first.
19:48I have got it.
19:49On the national budget,
19:50we did not have any discussion.
19:52The complaint of the PPP.
19:54We also did not get,
19:55the answer of the Noon League.
19:57Now, the world,
19:58the common people,
19:59they are also talking,
20:00the commoners,
20:01they are saying,
20:02that this is the IMF budget.
20:03So, those who are talking,
20:04Mr. Shamila Farooqi.
20:05Mr. Ahmed Mir,
20:06he also said in his program,
20:07that they are asking each other.
20:09He said,
20:10do you know?
20:11Do you know?
20:12So, it is obvious.
20:13You see,
20:14your finance minister,
20:15yesterday,
20:16which you also shot,
20:17that Mr. Shahzaib Khanzada,
20:18on Jio Television,
20:19he has said everything,
20:21that we are in consultation with him.
20:23And it is obvious,
20:24that we are helpless.
20:25Is he from our cadre,
20:26not the minister?
20:27He has joined the Noon League,
20:28he is not free.
20:29He is from the Muslim League,
20:30Nawaz.
20:31If he is not included,
20:32then he should be considered,
20:33from the Muslim League, Nawaz.
20:34Okay.
20:35He is not free from freedom.
20:36He is not free from freedom.
20:37Okay.
20:38This is his party,
20:39and he is a very competent man.
20:41And the stock market,
20:42he has also given a good response.
20:44I am saying this again,
20:45that the business class,
20:47could not give much freedom this time.
20:50The Muslim League,
20:51did not give a businessman-friendly budget.
20:53And the reason for that is not,
20:55that they did not want.
20:56It is their helplessness,
20:58because the conditions of the IMF are such,
21:00otherwise,
21:01from there,
21:02which you get 8 billion,
21:03or 6 billion dollars,
21:04if you want to give,
21:05then you may not get that amount.
21:07Okay.
21:08So,
21:09baggers can't be choosers.
21:10Okay, Mr. Ghulam Sain,
21:11you have seen the example of Punjab,
21:16where there are three,
21:17and the cinema is Noon.
21:18Why are the Pakistan People's Party people,
21:20saying this?
21:21With whom are they complaining?
21:24The People's Party people also know,
21:26the Noon League people also know,
21:28Aurangzeb also knows,
21:30the Finance Minister is also there.
21:31This budget,
21:33they are saying that,
21:34we have made the IMF dictator,
21:36everyone knows,
21:37and now they are saying that,
21:39we are very sad,
21:42and we are very worried.
21:44And you are seeing,
21:46that the Salafis,
21:48we have told you,
21:49all these matters.
21:50Yes.
21:51You leave,
21:52the one from whose mouth,
21:53the truth is in the mosque,
21:54he is a jurist,
21:55he is from the mosque,
21:57he is greedy,
21:58greedy.
21:59If the People's Party,
22:01even in the government,
22:03is fighting for the poor,
22:05for the common man,
22:07even if it is for show,
22:09then I will welcome it.
22:11It seems that,
22:12your old heart,
22:13being a founder member,
22:15of the Pakistan People's Party,
22:16sometimes you get angry,
22:17with the People's Party.
22:18No,
22:19I have come from a poor family,
22:21so I have to speak for the poor.
22:23No matter where I go,
22:25it won't make a difference.
22:27Even if we don't have it,
22:28those who themselves know,
22:29what poverty is,
22:30they don't want to talk about fashion,
22:32right?
22:33Hemming said this,
22:35Alhamdulillah,
22:36I don't have any problem,
22:38Hemming,
22:39if you smoke cold milk,
22:41there is no answer.
22:43Yes, yes,
22:44Alhamdulillah.
22:45Hemming said this,
22:46I am talking more,
22:47the burden of taxes,
22:49poverty,
22:50I mean,
22:51they have to go around,
22:53more,
22:54they have to,
22:55peel,
22:56peel,
22:57their skin,
22:58their skin,
22:59their skin,
23:00to peel it off.
23:02After that,
23:03the third thing,
23:04they say,
23:05their MNAs and MPs,
23:06some get one Arab,
23:07some get two Arab,
23:08some get,
23:09how many Arab,
23:10they are given funds,
23:11half of which,
23:12they don't have to spend,
23:13half,
23:14they have to go in their pockets.
23:15They say,
23:16we were not seen in that either.
23:17And in Punjab,
23:18the people who left us,
23:19the stepmothers,
23:20they say,
23:21there is no,
23:22no,
23:23no treatment left.
23:24So,
23:25there are many examples of them,
23:26which those poor people,
23:27are not telling openly.
23:28Because,
23:29yesterday,
23:30they were included,
23:31by waving the flag.
23:33So,
23:34what can they say?
23:35So,
23:36this is a big situation,
23:37which has become serious.
23:38IMF,
23:39or no IMF.
23:40If you are not ready to serve,
23:41the poor people of Pakistan,
23:42the people of Pakistan,
23:43then people have already,
23:44rejected you.
23:45They will not even tolerate you.
23:46And you will see,
23:47a situation,
23:48where streets will be very warm.
23:49There is already,
23:50a lot of hard work.
23:51Okay,
23:52Mr. Nagri,
23:53what is your opinion,
23:54on this?
23:55There is already,
23:56a lot of hard work.
23:57Okay,
23:58Mr. Nagri,
23:59on a daily basis,
24:00we listen to your,
24:01overall opinion,
24:02and we also learn from it.
24:03But,
24:04please explain to us,
24:05what does,
24:06the Pakistan People's Party,
24:07want to achieve?
24:08Yesterday,
24:09you told us,
24:10that they are,
24:11deep inside the system,
24:12they are beneficiaries,
24:13they have all the positions,
24:14how can they be different?
24:15So,
24:16what is the People's Party,
24:17trying to do,
24:18by going back and forth?
24:19I mean,
24:20will this,
24:21fill the stomach,
24:22of the common people?
24:23Will this,
24:24improve the impression,
24:25of the party?
24:26Mr. Chaudhary,
24:27obviously,
24:28I told you,
24:29what Mr. Chaudhary,
24:30said,
24:31is a special angle.
24:32Please tell us,
24:33what is the People's Party,
24:34trying to do?
24:35What is it trying to do,
24:36and why did they,
24:37do this yesterday?
24:38Okay,
24:39let me tell you.
24:40But,
24:41let me take Mr. Chaudhary's,
24:42point forward,
24:43which he talked about,
24:44the common people,
24:45with regards to the People's Party.
24:46Look,
24:47it is a very common thing,
24:48that in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
24:49PTI is doing a very good job,
24:50that is why,
24:51it was elected for the third time.
24:52Now,
24:53let us put it in Sindh.
24:54Pakistan People's Party,
24:55was elected for the fourth time.
24:56The biggest reason for that,
24:57is that,
24:58Pakistan People's Party,
24:59is doing a lot of work,
25:00for the benefit,
25:01of the people of Sindh.
25:02Their biggest,
25:03program,
25:04for the poor,
25:05is the Benazir,
25:06Income Support Program.
25:07And,
25:08it is such a,
25:09great program,
25:10that in Sindh,
25:11to reduce,
25:12the poverty,
25:13they got a lot of help.
25:14After that,
25:15their hospitals,
25:16the hospitals of Sindh,
25:17are the best hospitals,
25:18of Pakistan,
25:19and there,
25:20treatment,
25:21is done,
25:22for free.
25:23We were talking about,
25:24charity hospitals,
25:25on which,
25:26I did not ask any question.
25:27But,
25:28the hospitals,
25:29of Sindh,
25:30are the best hospitals,
25:31the doctors,
25:32are very good,
25:33the treatment,
25:34is very good.
25:35And,
25:36people from all over Pakistan,
25:37come here for treatment.
25:38So,
25:39when it comes to,
25:40the poor,
25:41Pakistan People's Party,
25:42is doing a lot of work,
25:43on this.
25:44Now,
25:45you asked,
25:46what does Pakistan People's Party,
25:47want?
25:48See,
25:49Pakistan People's Party,
25:50is a big player,
25:51it has a cabinet,
25:52it has governors,
25:53it has a government,
25:54in such a province,
25:55which does not give,
25:56much importance to Pakistan.
25:57But,
25:58they do not have an executive party.
25:59Obviously,
26:00that part,
26:01Ok,
26:02that is a different debate,
26:03but,
26:04what Khawar Bhai asked,
26:05he wanted to tell,
26:06that,
26:07Pakistan People's Party,
26:08is a very important player,
26:09of this whole system,
26:10of the government.
26:11And,
26:12when you are an important player,
26:13then you want,
26:14that you get importance,
26:15according to that.
26:16Like,
26:17Sharmila Faruqi,
26:18Khurshid Shah,
26:19you made us listen,
26:20when you are making a budget,
26:21when you are designing a budget,
26:22then,
26:23if you,
26:24from that province,
26:25or from that party,
26:26you do not take an intake,
26:27you do not take advice,
26:28from that party,
26:29which is the most important player,
26:30of this whole system,
26:31then it will object.
26:32Ok,
26:33that importance,
26:34Sir,
26:35I say,
26:36you should not object.
26:37Ok,
26:38Mr. Banerjee,
26:39on a lighter note,
26:40tell us,
26:41this Sindh,
26:42sorry,
26:43people's party,
26:44Sindh's rural area,
26:45do they accept that?
26:46I mean,
26:47even the people of Karachi,
26:48should embrace,
26:49I will tell you one thing,
26:50in Karachi,
26:51in the last two years,
26:52they have done a lot of work.
26:53The situation of Sirkhu,
26:54Narmizab,
26:55they are sitting in Karachi,
26:56but still,
26:57the situation is good.
26:58Ok,
26:59Khawar bhai,
27:00let's talk about this for a minute,
27:01let's talk about this for a minute,
27:02Karachi is mini Pakistan,
27:03the population of Karachi,
27:04is more than 3.5 crore,
27:05and these 3.5 crore people,
27:06are in such an area,
27:07where there is a lot of congestion,
27:08first of all,
27:09there is a need to spread Karachi,
27:10there is a need to take Karachi,
27:11a lot further,
27:12so that,
27:13as much as possible,
27:14the spices will be added,
27:15that is one thing,
27:16but work is being done in Karachi.
27:17Ok,
27:18next time,
27:19when we will go,
27:20me,
27:21Hassan,
27:22and Chaudhary Ghulam Sain,
27:23we will make a video clip,
27:24and send it to you.
27:25I will take you to good areas,
27:26with me,
27:27I will take you to Karachi,
27:28with me,
27:29no one goes to a poor person.
27:30Let me tell you one thing,
27:31you have talked about the lighter note,
27:32I want to tell you something
27:33about the lighter note,
27:34yes,
27:35Karachi is the most conservative area,
27:36the most destroyed area,
27:37do you know which one it is?
27:38Tell me,
27:39DHA,
27:40the whole DHA is dug up,
27:41nowadays,
27:42nowadays,
27:43DHA is dug up.
27:44Chaudhary sir,
27:45when you were coming from Karachi,
27:46you were in a very bad condition.
27:47No,
27:48very bad.
27:49I just want that,
27:50Mr. Nakvi,
27:51and other people,
27:52who have similar thoughts,
27:53we will gather all of them,
27:54and from where,
27:55after getting off the plane,
27:56after getting off,
27:57we will go to the office,
27:58no,
27:59we will take them to the office,
28:00sir,
28:01then you will know,
28:02I will take you there,
28:03it will be lagging,
28:04it will be lagging,
28:05I will take you there,
28:06the food gets digested,
28:07ok,
28:08in Karachi,
28:09you travel,
28:10I will take you there,
28:11that is,
28:12from the hotel,
28:13even our office,
28:14our office,
28:15if you go there,
28:16the food gets digested,
28:17ok,
28:18viewers,
28:19let's move ahead,
28:20the talk is going on,
28:21do you know,
28:22it is made in a jungle in Karachi,
28:23it is very far,
28:24the talk is going on,
28:25viewers,
28:26in Pakistan,
28:27if you want to provide
28:28employment,
28:29if you want to bring
28:30employment,
28:31then for that,
28:32you need political employment,
28:33the talk was going on,
28:34that Bani PTI will come out,
28:35there will be a discussion,
28:36but today,
28:37it has been found out,
28:38that in the cipher case,
28:39which has increased,
28:40that our respected government,
28:41along with presenting the budget,
28:42in the Supreme Court,
28:43has also challenged,
28:44and of course,
28:45the Supreme Court,
28:46will look at all the cases,
28:47I think,
28:48I think,
28:49Mr. Hassan Ayyub,
28:50has given an advice,
28:51that Mr. Abbasi,
28:52did not fight the case,
28:53he fought it correctly,
28:54so you make a good lawyer,
28:55now the problem is that,
28:56the cases have to move forward,
28:57so how will they move forward,
28:58when Maulana Fazl-e-Iman,
28:59was asked,
29:00about Bani PTI,
29:01about Chairman PTI,
29:02what did he say?
29:03When every person comes out,
29:04then Mr. Khan said this to me,
29:05then when another person comes,
29:06then he says,
29:07I don't want Bani PTI,
29:08I don't want Bani PTI,
29:09I don't want Bani PTI,
29:10When every person comes out,
29:11then Mr. Khan said this to me,
29:12then when another person comes,
29:13then he says,
29:14I don't want Bani PTI,
29:15I don't want Bani PTI,
29:16and till now,
29:17nothing has stopped,
29:18so who should we talk to,
29:19and who should we put,
29:20on the basis of negotiations,
29:21everything should be mature,
29:22everything should be serious,
29:23they are either out of jail,
29:24we have no objection,
29:25it is a matter of the courts,
29:26whatever the matter is,
29:27but the thing is that,
29:28we have fired the ceasefire,
29:29we have no allegations,
29:30neither is there any counter statement,
29:31nor are we repeating,
29:32the old things,
29:33we have no objection,
29:34we have no objection,
29:35we have no objection,
29:36we have no objection,
29:37we have no objection,
29:38neither are we repeating,
29:39the old things,
29:40our position will change,
29:41when the right is clear,
29:42when the right is clear,
29:44till the time,
29:45there is no face to face talk,
29:46then this opinion of Maulana,
29:47is very clear,
29:49Hafiz Naeemur Rehman,
29:50the new leader of Jamaat-e-Islami,
29:51did he also express,
29:52such opinions,
29:53such opinions,
29:54such opinions,
29:55such opinions,
29:57Khan sir is in jail,
29:58the world outside,
29:59of Khan sir is different,
30:00and the world of Khan sir,
30:01is different,
30:02when he comes out,
30:03then there will be talk,
30:04and there will be talk,
30:05in the same way,
30:06that the way,
30:07that should be there,
30:10yes,
30:11Choudhary Gulam Singh,
30:13what do you think,
30:14the situation,
30:15the talk,
30:16dialogue,
30:17you and Hassan Ayoob,
30:18on one issue,
30:19one page,
30:20there will be no talk,
30:21no dialogue,
30:22no dialogue,
30:23when did I say,
30:24there will be no dialogue,
30:25I said,
30:26it is happening,
30:28no no,
30:29he is saying,
30:30yes,
30:31please go ahead,
30:32leave this,
30:33we have seen,
30:34very big incidents,
30:35is that dialogue is never deadlocked, it never ends.
30:42The second wave of Peoples Party and Noon is also deadlocked.
30:47But the discussion is still going on.
30:50And similarly, the PTI and their supporters and all their opponents,
30:57the discussion is going on with their different channels,
31:00and I don't even want to go into the details of it.
31:03Sometimes, if you give this news here,
31:08what is the intention behind it,
31:10a lot of people will faint.
31:12No, no, I will make Hassan Yook sit in the car, no problem.
31:16No, he has taken a position that he will be in jail till the day of judgement.
31:21If he stays, it is his fate.
31:24But the whole nation is with him.
31:26The nation that has done this to you, both of them are with him.
31:29Other things are being published every day.
31:31I am telling you, the discussion is going on.
31:33Now you do what you have to do.
31:35If you ask me further, you will be responsible.
31:39No, no, I won't ask.
31:40If I was sitting here, I would burn my wings.
31:42Yes, Mr. Navi.
31:43Discussion.
31:44Was there a need for this?
31:46The cipher case is over.
31:47It should be over.
31:48Look, I have always been talking about this.
31:52I have been talking about discussions since day one.
31:54It should be over.
31:56Will it be or not?
32:19Yes, Mr. Awad, I have said something on this.
32:21There is a small pause and we will move ahead.
32:25You didn't want to comment.
32:26Why shouldn't I comment?
32:27No, leave it.
32:28Okay, I won't.
32:29Go ahead.
32:30Look, he is the principal accused of No Maker.
32:32I knew it.
32:33Look, the person who is the principal accused of No Maker,
32:35until he doesn't apologize,
32:37Tarjman Pakphor, the DG of SPR,
32:39said that even if he doesn't accept the court of law,
32:44he has his own inquiries, reports, information and intelligence.
32:51What kind of an argument is this?
32:53The state has assurance on this
32:58that he is the accused and he is the accused.
33:02I am talking about myself.
33:04I am not talking about the court of law.
33:06Even if you don't accept the court of law.
33:08I am talking about the discussion between two parties.
33:11If a person is convinced that someone has murdered him,
33:18even if the court decides against him,
33:21the family is upset.
33:23They don't talk to each other.
33:24There is enmity.
33:25Before we go to the break,
33:27the case of No Maker has been condemned all across.
33:32Those who have done anything wrong should be punished.
33:38There is no doubt about it.
33:39You have seen that cases are going on in different courts.
33:44Innocent, unproven, guilty.
33:46Mr. Sanjeev sometimes has an opinion on this.
33:50We will meet you again after the break.
33:59Welcome back viewers.
34:00There are many interesting cases going on in different courts.
34:04The case of Iddat is going on.
34:07As you know, the Jubani PTI has challenged it.
34:10The case went on in Salamat High Court.
34:13It has been ordered to complete the case within a month.
34:25Mr. Salman Akram Raja is completing the case.
34:29Let's listen to what he has to say.
34:31As you have seen, in the court,
34:33the lawyer of the complainant said
34:35that it will take at least 6 months for the appeal.
34:38Our request was that if a sessions judge is unable to decide,
34:42then an additional sessions judge will also be subject to the same pressure.
34:46This is a possibility.
34:47He may not be able to decide.
34:48Therefore, the High Court should listen to it.
34:50Or give this decision to some other sessions judge.
34:52But the decision given by the court is also very balanced.
34:56The additional sessions judge has been told
34:58that the bail request should be decided within 10 days.
35:02We will get a copy of the order within 10 days.
35:04And the appeal should also be decided within 30 days.
35:08Therefore, the attempt to postpone the case was unsuccessful.
35:14Mr. Salman Sabdar, who was present with him, also spoke.
35:19The court orders are coming in a while.
35:21We have communicated with the judge.
35:23He has agreed to the request of Mr. Imran Khan and the bailiff.
35:28He has said that he will listen to the decision before that.
35:31We are optimistic.
35:33God willing, the decision will be made.
35:35What do you think, will it come?
35:37Before Eid, it will definitely come.
35:40This is a very interesting news.
35:42Before Eid, he said that he will try.
35:44Earlier, we were talking about the decision of the Islamabad High Court.
35:48He later went to the so-called lower court.
35:51He got this news from there.
35:52There were two important cases in Lahore.
35:54One was the application given by the judge of Sargodha ATC to the Lahore High Court.
36:00That I have interfered in my work.
36:04The other case was from Islamabad.
36:06The transfer of 8-10 cases was requested by the Punjab government.
36:10A reference file was filed against a judge.
36:14All the work that was done was fined Rs. 2 lakhs.
36:19The application from the judge of Sargodha also received interesting comments.
36:24Abid, our representative from Lahore, is present with us.
36:27Abid, can you hear me?
36:29Yes, I can hear you.
36:31Abid, can you tell us about the case of the judge of Sargodha?
36:35What action was taken against him in the court today?
36:37When Malik Shahzad Ahmed, the chief justice of Lahore High Court,
36:41submitted a notice on the letter of Judge Mohammad Abbas,
36:44the I.G. of Punjab went to the court.
36:47The chief justice of Lahore High Court asked him,
36:49why did you block the way of that court?
36:52The I.G. of Punjab said that it was a serious fact,
36:55because of which Sargodha ATC was blocked.
36:58The chief justice of Lahore High Court said,
37:01what message do you want to convey by stopping people from going to the courts?
37:05Every person and every city has a fundamental right to go to the courts.
37:09How can the fundamental rights given by the I.G. be used?
37:12The chief justice of Lahore High Court said that
37:15no excuse can be made to block the way.
37:18If it is a matter of facts, then by issuing a red alert,
37:21you have blocked the entire country.
37:23In addition, the chief justice of Lahore High Court said,
37:26how and how many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:29How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:32How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:35How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:38How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:41How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:44How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:47How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:50How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:53How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:56How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
37:59How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:02How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:05How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:08How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:11How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:14How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:17How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:20How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:23How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:26How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:29How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:32How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:35How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:38How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:41How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:44How many people were arrested in the incident of 9th May?
38:47Did the ATC judge make any request regarding the incident of 9th May?
38:50Did the ATC judge make any request regarding the incident of 9th May?
38:53If he made a request, but the FIR was not filed, then the police have done a lot of injustice.
38:56If he made a request, but the FIR was not filed, then the police have done a lot of injustice.
38:59And the Chief Justice's statement is absolutely justified.
39:02But the ATC judge incorporated them in his judicial order.
39:05But the ATC judge incorporated them in his judicial order.
39:08But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:11then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:14But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:17then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:20But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:23then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:26But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:29then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:32But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:35then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:38But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:41then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:44But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:47then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:50But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:53then I think the institution should make arrangements.
39:56But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
39:59then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:02But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:05then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:08But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:11then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:14But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:17then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:20But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:23then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:26But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:29then I think the institution should make arrangements.
40:32But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
40:35then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:05But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:08then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:11But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:14then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:17But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:20then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:23But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:26then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:29But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:32then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:35But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:38then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:41But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:44then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:47But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:50then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:53But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
41:56then I think the institution should make arrangements.
41:59But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
42:02then I think the institution should make arrangements.
42:05But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
42:08then I think the institution should make arrangements.
42:11But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
42:14then I think the institution should make arrangements.
42:17But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
42:20then I think the institution should make arrangements.
42:23But till now, if the application has not been filed with their name,
42:26This case has been given to the Chief Justice of the High Court.
42:29This case has been given to the Election Commission to notify the tribunals.
42:32Let the Supreme Court of Pakistan decide.
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