00:00We are all part of the shock generated by the arrest of the provincial deputy of Misiones, Germán Quixca.
00:08He is not accused of corruption, he is not accused of any pettiness, of politics or caste, as is customary to say in these times.
00:17He is accused of an abhorrent crime, of a crime of those for which, if you are found guilty, you cannot take your head out and you cannot return to the street.
00:27Distributing child pornography.
00:30Think that this guy had been chosen by the people of Misiones to represent him,
00:35and it was known from the findings that in his computer he and his brother had child pornography material.
00:44Those who saw it, and it is always the tremendous thing about these cases,
00:48they say that it is not only unplayable, but it is impossible to count the level of aberrations that there were about children.
00:55So first one can make a philosophical reflection, that is, what goes through the mind of these guys?
01:01What is the perverse mechanism that leads them to want to be social examples, becoming legislators,
01:11and on the other hand they have these perverse vices in privacy.
01:16In any case, the deputy Germán Quixca, as I understand, who is still,
01:21the office in the legislature of Misiones has been flattened, there is Aníbal Kowalski with more details.
01:27First, is he still a deputy or have they already fired this man?
01:32Hello, Rolando, how are you? No, not yet.
01:38That would be confirmed this Thursday.
01:41Everything already indicates that this Thursday in the session,
01:44because the investigative commission that was formed at the time,
01:47has already issued a statement on Friday,
01:50precisely saying that it corresponds to the fact that he has been expelled
01:54according to Article 90 of the Constitution of the province of Misiones,
01:58for moral iniquity. That is the cause.
02:00First, let's clarify that, evidently, everyone is innocent until their guilt is proven.
02:07However, in this case, in their computers, in the ELI, their brother found this material,
02:13that the sole tenancy is already a crime,
02:16even if they could not participate, that they participated from rapes to minors,
02:21the sole tenancy already constitutes a crime,
02:24and in the case of a legislator it not only constitutes a crime,
02:27but it also constitutes shame. I think that with that it is enough for him to be fired.
02:31Of course, because that generates stress, that is the technical word they use,
02:35a social stress, not only in Misiones,
02:38yes, not only in Misiones, but in the whole country,
02:42but also, Rolando, you have to take this into account,
02:45the fundamental cause for his expulsion at this time is his escape.
02:53He being a deputy, he escaped, that is, with that single element,
02:59he already incurs in a moral inability, when he was saying that he wanted,
03:04precisely, he was at the disposal of justice.
03:07So, having escaped, he already incurred in that moral inability.
03:13Now, Aníbal, where does this guy come from?
03:16What was it, what was known about him before this?
03:22No, I mean, what was known is, let's say, that they organized parties,
03:28but never of this nature, that is, on weekends,
03:33because apart from the intimate relationship of Germán Quizca with Pedro Puerta,
03:38who was known, fundamentally, to the apostles, of course,
03:42I mean, beyond...
03:44Pedro Puerta is the son of Ramón Puerta, who was a fleeting president of Argentina,
03:48but he was, I think, twice governor of Misiones, right?
03:52Ramón Puerta was twice, exactly, governor...
03:55Close friend of Mauricio Macri, in fact, they studied engineering together.
03:58He was ambassador during Macri's administration, too.
04:01Exactly, ambassador in Spain.
04:03Now, Pedro Puerta is the son who formed a provincial party
04:07called Activar, and precisely, Quizca was the leader of that party.
04:13Pedro Puerta's mother is the party's vice-president.
04:17It's a provincial party that joined together for change last year here in Misiones.
04:22Precisely, the banks gave in thanks to that alliance with Juntos por el Cambio, right?
04:29Yes. Now, what did Pedro Puerta say about all this?
04:36Because he has a political relationship with that man, with that boy,
04:39there are a lot of photos with him.
04:41Absolutely, videos, photos, I mean,
04:45photos playing football, eating barbecue on the weekends, etc., etc.
04:50I mean, their relationship of intimacy is total, also, remember that...
04:54The intimacy in this case, I would tell you that it is an uncomfortable word.
04:57Convenient, right?
05:00Well, I'm talking about the friendship relationship.
05:02No, I know, it's a joke.
05:04Of course, but look, for example, Quizca was an executive employee
05:12of the company Cigarros Misioneros, Cigarros Misiones, which is the company, the cigar maker,
05:18there they produce, they make high-quality Havana,
05:21even with Cuban masters that Ramón Puerta brought, and that are exported.
05:25They, in addition to being yerbateros, they are one of the most important yerbateros in Misiones,
05:30they have that company, and Germán Quizca worked there, and he had an office
05:35in that company, which went to Yanada, and elements of that place were kidnapped,
05:40in addition to a club, a nightclub that they had there internally, that they have there internally.
05:47Pedro Puerta, at first, he tried to disconnect.
05:51Of course.
05:51In the first statements he made, he practically
05:54didn't even need to say that he knew Germán Quizca.
05:57Now, is something known about the victims? Because this,
06:01if at some point one of the kids is identified, and that is a local kid, let's say from Misiones,
06:09or from the area, would the scandal increase in all those videos?
06:14Or are they videos that come from abroad and they redistribute?
06:19Well, that is being worked on, it is being worked on.
06:22Basically, there are videos that came and that they also sent.
06:27In other words, they not only consumed, but also shared images and videos.
06:33Well, it is being worked on, it is being investigated, of course, to determine the victims
06:40that they generated here in Apóstoles, when they filmed.
06:47So there is DTNT.
06:49In other words, did they also film the minors at those parties?
06:55Of course. So far, what the judge is currently investigating deeply is precisely the production.
07:06Because there are videos that they produced. Videos and photos.
07:10Of course. And there one says, well, that's where it connects with one of the ghosts of Caso Loa, right?
07:16Let's say, well, they may have kidnapped a kid to produce this type of content.
07:19This is a lot of money.
07:22Yes, yes, yes, people out there are not going to get it in their heads, talking about the subject at this time of the morning.
07:26But sexual tourism or consumption, which is a lot of money, of exploitation of minors for pedophilia.
07:33The truth is that it is crazy, that it does not enter anyone's head.
07:35But it is one of the most lucrative businesses of these times.
07:38What is proven, we even talked to the prosecutor who initiated this investigation,
07:43from a detection that an NGO from the United States does,
07:46via collaboration of the United States Embassy in our country.
07:49The investigation begins, it is proven what has to do with consumption and distribution of pedophilia.
07:54That in itself is a crime.
07:56Now what is being advanced is in two topics, Rolo and Aníbal also know it.
08:00What has to do, first, if there is also a specific victim of some of that material,
08:06if it has to do with a minor in Argentina.
08:09That line of investigation is being deepened.
08:11And the other thing is how far it scales.
08:13You were asking about political ties.
08:15Here we have also talked a couple of Sundays ago with Ramón Puerta,
08:18where all the time Ramón Puerta says, no, no,
08:20the thing ends, they don't even tell you in Germán Quizca,
08:23in Sebastián Quizca, who describes as someone with addiction problems,
08:28with consumption that already the whole people in Apóstoles knew,
08:30as if they want to finish the thing there.
08:32There is the stage of investigation, and for this all the kidnapped material will be key.
08:37On Friday, for example, from the office of the deputy Germán Quizca,
08:42they took a pen drive, a CPU and a notebook,
08:46and the analysis of that material will be key.
08:50Totally.
08:50Notice that the judge, as you said,
08:54evidence against Germán Quizca and his brother Sebastián,
08:59there is too much evidence.
09:01What the judge is advancing now is the connection
09:05that Pedro Puerta could also have in this,
09:08because there is a chat, sorry,
09:10there is a Telegram group,
09:13that appeared in Germán Quizca's computer,
09:16in which he was seized on August 6 in his house.
09:20Because it must be clarified that there was a raid on February 28,
09:24that was ordered by the prosecutor Daniela Dupuy,
09:28and then one that the judge ordered here in Apóstoles,
09:31on August 6, in Germán Quizca's house.
09:33There was already a lot of evidence related to this whole issue on his computer.
09:40And a Telegram group that exchanged between them,
09:45among the members of that group,
09:47images, precisely, of MASSI,
09:49material of child sexual abuse.
09:52And there are photos, videos.
09:54And in that group, it is integrated by Pedro Puerta,
09:58by Germán Quizca, Lucio Puerta, Pedro Puerta's brother,
10:02Alejandro Prieto, an employee of the Ciudadela.
10:04Stop, wait, but it's very serious.
10:06We are talking about at least two political leaders
10:08in a Telegram group, where they circulated videos of child abuse.
10:13Totally. That is in the file.
10:17There is, as it is a copy, I have a copy of that sheet,
10:25and that is determined.
10:27There, let's say, I want, I don't know,
10:31today I want to take a minor sentence like that, for example,
10:35and they abound there in that group, right?
10:40A Telegram group.
10:41And there is also a certain Gastón Caballero,
10:43who is also a political leader of ACTIVAR,
10:47and an employee of the Puertas, of Channel 4 of the Puertas and of the radio, right?
10:51Which speaks of the growth of the morale of the Argentine political leadership.
10:55Aníbal, thanks for the contact, I send you a hug.
10:58Likewise for you, Rolando.
