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CASO LOAN: ¿TRASLADAN A CAMILA Y MACARENA?
MÓNICA CHIRIVÍN, ABOGADA DE LAUDELINA, EN VIVO POR A24:
"A Laudelina la veo mal psicológicamente". "Estoy cansada y tengo impotencia".
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MÓNICA CHIRIVÍN, ABOGADA DE LAUDELINA, EN VIVO POR A24:
"A Laudelina la veo mal psicológicamente". "Estoy cansada y tengo impotencia".
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00:00Well, I thought so. They showed pictures.
00:03But I'm not sure. I think it's rotten fish too.
00:07Give me the phone.
00:18I have Monica Chiribin on the phone.
00:21The lawyer of the detainee, Laudelina.
00:24Monica, good afternoon.
00:25Nahuel, Carlos, Silu, we greet you.
00:27How are you? Good afternoon. How are you on the floor?
00:30Good. First of all, thank you for attending us.
00:33I know you're going to Ezeiza, so I thank you for these few minutes you're giving me.
00:39Monica, how did the case come about?
00:41And what do we know about whether or not they took Macarena and Camila?
00:47Because they say they took her for a psychiatric examination, assault.
00:51This is correct, isn't it?
00:54Well, I don't have any information that she was transferred.
00:58I know what the file says, that she was ordered.
01:01She was ordered, but did she go forward, do you have any idea, or does it not appear in the file?
01:06No, I didn't see it in the file.
01:09Of course, what I understand is that the transfer has not yet been made.
01:14I understand that.
01:16Of course, exactly.
01:18And how are you, Monica?
01:20And now I'm going to open it up for the kids to ask questions.
01:23A lot has been rumored, a lot has been talked about,
01:26and if you tell me, no, I don't want to talk about that,
01:29100 points, and you know I respect you,
01:32because beyond your work as a lawyer,
01:36everyone knows that we have a friendship and that we were partners in the force, so...
01:41They say you leave the cause. Is that true or not true?
01:46As far as I can assume, I will do so.
01:50Now, if they continue to mislead me,
01:53and I can't exercise my Ministry of Defense,
01:57and a judge orders it, that's another thing.
02:00I can be revoked from power by Audelina Peña,
02:04or ordered by her ladyship.
02:07Good.
02:09It was also said that Audelina will not declare
02:14again because she feels pressured,
02:20she feels threatened with the transfer to Mendoza.
02:25Is that true?
02:27I have not been able to contact her.
02:30Today there was a video call at 12 o'clock,
02:33authorized by the Lujan de Cuyo Penal.
02:36Yes.
02:37And then they informed me that she was not available in the room
02:40because they are in trial.
02:43That is, today you had an audience,
02:47but in the room where you can zoom,
02:51so that people can understand,
02:53she was not available?
02:56No, because they are in trial.
02:58She is busy in the room.
03:00And the right to defense in trial of your assistant,
03:02where would it be?
03:04No.
03:05They answered me that I have the phone open,
03:08that when she is busy in the room, they will let me know.
03:12That's amazing. Carlos?
03:14I wanted to ask you, Monica, good afternoon.
03:16How are you?
03:17Good.
03:18Grandma just told me about this possible transfer of Camila and Macarena,
03:22to do an examination.
03:24You say that it was already ordered.
03:26For what purpose Camila and Macarena?
03:29I don't know, I really don't know.
03:32It's a matter that the court requested.
03:36Ah, the court requests?
03:40I understand that it is so.
03:44I will not comment on the subject.
03:46Of course, it's fine, it's fine.
03:47Yes, yes, because it is a request that you do not make.
03:49It's fine.
03:50What happens is that it draws a lot of attention that two witnesses of this cause.
03:53Do I say well or am I wrong?
03:54Yes, yes, of course.
03:55Witnesses.
03:56It's fine.
03:57I also take into account that there are no psychiatrists there, in the area.
04:02It's fine, it's perfect.
04:03But Monica, I ask you this.
04:05I had to testify in a case as a witness.
04:08It happened to me.
04:09A very well-known case.
04:12Could the court ask me to do a psychiatric analysis?
04:17As a witness?
04:19This cause is inaudible.
04:22There is the point and everyone is right here.
04:27What Carlos says is fine and what Dr. Chiribin says is fine.
04:32Let's see, in a normal cause...
04:34It wouldn't happen.
04:35No, it couldn't.
04:36Father, clarify.
04:37Thank you, bye.
04:38No, I am the witness.
04:39Because if I think that you are well psychiatrically, I do not directly cite you as a witness.
04:43Of course.
04:44Do you understand?
04:45And but Monica, don't you think that in relation to what Nahuel is saying,
04:47that certain requests are being naturalized, behaviors of which she or not, that are not correct?
04:54And that is estimated by his lady.
04:57I am not good to criticize him, much less if she has considered it.
05:06His lady has all the faculties to decide.
05:09So it's fine.
05:11Monica, there is another of the doubts that there are and that arose during the week that passed,
05:19that they say that yes, that no, that yes, that no.
05:22And out there you can evacuate me that doubt and the people too.
05:27Does Laudelina have a dialogue with Benitez?
05:30Do they have a dialogue?
05:32Yes.
05:33They have it.
05:34Yes.
05:35And now that they are in Mendoza, they also have it.
05:38Do they continue with the dialogue?
05:40Yes, sir.
05:41But can they?
05:42Yes, of course they can.
05:43I do not ask for ignorance.
05:45They are authorized.
05:47Okay, they are authorized.
05:49But there is part of the strategy and other lawyers who say that it is a lie,
05:59that they do not communicate, that they do not have dialogue, that they hate each other,
06:04that everything, a thousand things, but they keep talking.
06:07Well, they said that, Monica, that they are not having a good relationship,
06:10but the letter that we shared from Laudelina last week,
06:14she named Benitez and said that she was also worried about her husband.
06:18Isn't that so?
06:19Yes, of course.
06:21Because that man talks to her and told her, I don't know what to think,
06:26this physical child and worries her.
06:30That man said he didn't want to live anymore, I don't know, those things.
06:35Yes.
06:36No, it's a manipulation.
06:38It's a ...
06:39From whom to whom?
06:40From Benitez, you say?
06:42And yes, there is no other explanation.
06:45From Benitez to Laudelina.
06:46Because how am I going to find a broken woman who is willing to say ...
06:52Psychologically, you see Laudelina psychologically bad, right?
06:56Very bad, yes.
06:58And you believe that ...
06:59I saw her on Monday.
07:01And you believe, Monica, that we got lost ...
07:05Well, not us, us as journalists, as the public, I would tell you.
07:10Was her statement going to give relevant data on the cause?
07:15Or for the cause?
07:17I don't know if they are as relevant as people would expect, right?
07:22That we found Aloa.
07:24But maybe it could contribute something interesting to the officials, but hey.
07:30And I say the judge ...
07:32For now.
07:33The judge has no authority to say,
07:37Well, hey, the whore, stop.
07:41If you have something that can serve for the cause,
07:45let's respect the rights of the rio,
07:49that they are not manipulated,
07:51like taking it from a penitentiary unit,
07:56a thousand hundred kilometers away,
07:59let's at least respect tranquility,
08:01so that you can declare tranquility.
08:03Can't the judge do that?
08:05Hey, don't move it.
08:07Well, it will be a consideration made by the penitentiary service,
08:12and his ladyship considers it permissive.
08:15Well, but they are rare things that are happening, Monica.
08:18The truth is that I am in this cause for the first time I see
08:21that lawyers, instead of asking for clarification of a case,
08:26they ask for the arrest of another colleague.
08:28Exactly.
08:30Colleagues denouncing that it is good, good or bad, and it doesn't matter,
08:34if this is how the cause proceeds,
08:37that a lawyer ends up being denounced by gender.
08:43Yes.
08:44Those who have to be called to testify are not called.
08:47To those who have to testify to testify.
08:49Is it normal, Zakir, all this?
08:50No, no, no, it's not normal in any way.
08:52And you look at something, right?
08:54All these maneuvers tending to push the cause, to complicate it,
08:58is to avoid and say a great truth,
09:01that I do know.
09:02What would it be?
09:03The truth.
09:04And the truth is, the truth that is going to manifest in this file,
09:08that Lohan, unfortunately, was the victim of an intrafamilial abuse,
09:12followed by death.
09:13I don't have it.
09:14I have it almost proven.
09:16I ask you.
09:17And that's why there are all these guys behind.
09:19I ask you.
09:21Do you think that when it is an abuse...
09:25Intra...
09:26Sexual, intrafamilial.
09:27Yes, intramural,
09:29and the body disappears,
09:32do you have the power, as a family of very few resources,
09:37to make 130 days a body disappear?
09:40Sometimes it's so simple that it seems complicated.
09:44No, no, no.
09:45Sometimes it's so simple that it seems complicated.
09:47And I'm going to tell you more.
09:48Yes, let's see.
09:49The arrest warrant for Chiribín
09:53is precisely to try to distract the focus
09:57and go out to look for other collateral issues
10:00that will be judged, will be real or will not be real.
10:04But the real focus is that.
10:06And they are all avoiding telling that truth.
10:09Unfortunately, they don't play here, Nahuel.
10:13The people who are in this cause don't play.
10:17So, telling the truth and questioning everyone,
10:20everyone, everyone is fine.
10:23What happens is that here we clearly denote
10:26tendentious maneuvers to complicate, to draw the focus.
10:31We talked about it today with Carlitos.
10:33Let's see, here you can really believe
10:36that they can arrest a lawyer
10:39who is exercising the defense of a detainee,
10:42be it a good woman, Laudelina, or be it terrible Satan.
10:46But can they really think
10:48that this is going to solve something in the cause?
10:51No.
10:52It's a lie.
10:53So here is a reality.
10:55The only reality is that Lohan,
10:57unfortunately, I have the theory almost proven,
11:01that Lohan was the victim of an intrafamilial abuse.
11:04And that's what has to be done.
11:06Just so you understand, with the almost, it doesn't reach me.
11:09No, of course.
11:10I want results.
11:11Exactly.
11:12And what you say is very important.
11:14The almost does not reach for justice.
11:16Are you okay?
11:17I come recharged and I come outraged.
11:19Do you know why?
11:20Because I took the weekend.
11:21I was reading all the accounts that are in the cause
11:24and really, as a lawyer, I tell you,
11:26it's disgusting to see everything you see,
11:29the judicial actions.
11:30But it's going to be bad for you.
11:32Let me...
11:33Did you navigate the end of it?
11:35No, a little bit.
11:37A little bit.
11:38But the reality is that.
11:40So, to believe that there is another issue here,
11:43no, it's a lie.
11:45The reality is...
11:46What happens is that no one has the security
11:49and the concreteness to be able to say,
11:51Lohan was murdered.
11:52I think it's better to have Chiribin and listen to Saker.
11:55Let's ask Monica.
11:57Monica, for the last of my part,
12:00for the last of my part,
12:01you're tired, huh?
12:02It shows.
12:03Look, we know you.
12:04You have several battles of these.
12:06It shows in your voice.
12:07It shows in the way.
12:08Are you tired?
12:09Are you in pain?
12:11Are you fed up?
12:12No, no.
12:13I'm tired and I have hypotension.
12:16That's all I have.
12:18How can a lawyer be tired and hypotensive?
12:22Look, if it's for energy, Monica,
12:26look, I told you,
12:28you have to dance with the ones that suit you the least.
12:32Yes?
12:33That's the reality.
12:34I told you personally,
12:35I think Audelina knows a lot more than she told you,
12:39a lot more.
12:41I don't believe her, but I,
12:43it's a personal title,
12:45but I know how much of a lawyer you are,
12:48the commitment you made,
12:50and I know how bad you're feeling.
12:52Yes, it's true.
12:53For your peace of mind,
12:54you have a world of people,
12:56a world of people that you don't know,
12:59that neither do we,
13:00but who are supporting you.
13:02So I hope...
13:03I want to say two words.
13:05Yes?
13:06If you'll allow me.
13:07Yes?
13:08I joined the cause to find a truth
13:11that supposedly this lady knew.
13:14I managed to take the first step.
13:17That first step that she took
13:20was a political question,
13:22and from then on, it was a disaster.
13:25So every time she wanted to speak,
13:28there were obstructions.
13:30So it's logical,
13:32you have to understand it,
13:34and you have to face all the questions.
13:39The questions of the detentions are absurd,
13:44but your lady is the one who decides.
13:47Monica, we thank you very much,
13:50and have a good day.
13:52Thank you, thank you.
13:53Bye, bye.
13:54See you later.
13:55Give me a hug.
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