00:00Gabriel, let's talk about kidnappings.
00:04Actually, kidnappings, recoveries,
00:07and what happened just a few moments ago.
00:10Javi, breaking news.
00:12The first cables were just arriving.
00:14The Israeli army reported that it recovered the bodies
00:18of two kidnappers.
00:20We can see them on the screen.
00:22To be more precise,
00:24the body of one of the kidnappers,
00:27Yosef, the man we see on the right of the screen,
00:32and the remains of Hamza's body,
00:35his son, who was also kidnapped by Hamas
00:38since October 7, 2023.
00:41The remains of these two people were found
00:44in an underground tunnel in the Rafi'aj area,
00:47right inside the Gaza Strip,
00:50on the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip.
00:53We don't know when they died, do we?
00:55We don't know yet.
00:57Javi was just checking it.
00:59There is no precise information on when they died
01:02and in what situation they died.
01:04Yes, the army reported that in an area
01:07close to the place where these two bodies were found,
01:11the remains of three Hamas terrorists were also found.
01:15So it's starting to be interpreted
01:18as if they were terrorists
01:21who were taking care of these kidnappers,
01:24but we still don't know for sure
01:27how they died,
01:30both the kidnappers and the terrorists.
01:33Now, Gabriel, what about the conservation of the bodies?
01:36I'm sorry to ask you this, but it strikes me
01:39with respect to the families of the victims, right?
01:43Well, in fact, you know, Javi,
01:46it's a question we all ask ourselves,
01:49because, clearly, the places where they were kidnapped
01:53even when they are not murdered
01:56are not places where they have a place of conservation,
01:59a possibility of conservation,
02:02so the work of Israeli forensic medicine
02:06is a hard work to be able to recognize
02:09by the DNA samples that are taken
02:12from the families of the kidnapped
02:15and that allow, after hours,
02:18and even days of work by forensic medicine,
02:21to be able to identify each one of these people.
02:25Exactly.
