00:00And the Heat, they fell to the San Antonio Spurs last night.
00:03A loss that wasn't a loss because let me tell you something, dude.
00:05Stop it.
00:06What a night.
00:08For Kalel.
00:09What a night, dude.
00:11Kalel.
00:12Yaka Chones.
00:13The youth movement.
00:15Oh, the two youths.
00:17Really, the three youths because Jaime Hacquez.
00:20He threw it on when Benyama threw it down.
00:24You won't see it.
00:25You know, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer.
00:30You know how this plays out.
00:31What do you mean?
00:32When the season starts, all the stuff we're talking about, they sitting in the corner.
00:35Why are you immediately going to that?
00:38Because we could be.
00:39I don't know.
00:40I'm just playing a trend here.
00:41That's what happened.
00:42He looks more than ready.
00:44An assist machine.
00:46That chemistry.
00:47Okay.
00:47Some things go together well, man.
00:49Okay.
00:49Spaghetti and meatballs.
00:50We have this conversation.
00:51Peanut butter and jelly.
00:52We have this conversation every year.
00:54Kasper, Yaka Chones, and Kalelware.
00:56We have this conversation every year.
00:57I'm telling you, dude.
00:58Do we not?
00:58Last night.
00:59Do we not have this conversation every year?
01:01We see guys playing the preseason and then they never play.
01:05No, not always.
01:07And look, Kalelware, he just got the call out from Spoh.
01:11It's not about the message.
01:13He always gets calls out.
01:14It's how you respond.
01:15And how does he respond?
01:17With a big time game against Victor Wembenyama.
01:21He has Wembenyama in hell.
01:22I mean, quite frankly.
01:23Victor Wembenyama left that exhibition last night.
01:25They won, mind you.
01:26And he was, like, whining to the referee.
01:28Oh, oh, so great.
01:30Oh, oh, Wembenyama.
01:32Please help me.
01:33Because he doesn't know what to do when somebody's his actual size.
01:36That's the problem.
01:38When somebody can actually match up with them, he's like, what the hell is this?
01:42Shaq said it was the other way.
01:43I don't care what Shaq.
01:44I don't care what Shaq.
01:44Shaq said it's a smaller guy, the way they back it.
01:48Yeah, well, let me tell you something, dude.
01:49How much of a sample size is this?
01:51Two for two.
01:5212 seconds.
01:52Two for two.
01:53Two games.
01:54Two for two.
01:55Did you not see him block Wembenyama not even jumping?
01:59Yeah.
02:00That was good.
02:01Come on.
02:02Don't be dismissive.
02:03I'm not being dismissive.
02:04You're being dismissive.
02:06I'm not being dismissive.
02:08Kind of are.
02:09Like, you know, the best definition of making winning plays.
02:14Winning.
02:18Preseason.
02:19Like, ain't nobody ever said that.
02:21Wait a minute.
02:21What did you just say?
02:22I said the best way.
02:23It's preseason.
02:24Come on.
02:25What are you doing?
02:26I'm saying the same thing he's doing.
02:28You're so silly.
02:30Wait a minute.
02:30You're making it sound like this was game seven.
02:33Dude, Bismack Biambo was playing the last three minutes.
02:36Did you know he was still in the league?
02:39No.
02:39Nah, you didn't.
02:42You got what I need.
02:45Don't lash out.
02:46Because he's say just a friend.
02:51Dude, I'm just saying.
02:52I'm not taking away.
02:54You literally are taking away.
02:55No, listen.
02:56You literally are, though.
02:57No, listen.
02:57You are.
02:58Which is typical.
02:59I knew you were going to do this.
03:00No.
03:00Kalel played really well.
03:02I'm not taking away from that.
03:04But I think that one of the things that you can take from how things are going with him
03:10is he's very responsive to, you know, the direction that Spohle's taking.
03:17However, all these other guys that you're talking about, they're not going to even play.
03:22Because I've seen Spohle.
03:23You don't think Kalel did play middle of the year last year.
03:25No, he.
03:25He did play.
03:26So I don't know why you're doing that.
03:27I'm not including.
03:27I feel like it's a pointless mistake because he did play last year.
03:31I'm not talking about Kalel.
03:32Why not?
03:33He had the best game yesterday.
03:35You kind of take all of this and kind of get away from my point.
03:39My point was.
03:40But your point doesn't stand.
03:41You talk about all these guys.
03:42Your point doesn't stand, though.
03:43I'm not talking about Kalel.
03:44I know Kalel's going to play.
03:45I'm talking about all these other guys that you talk about like this.
03:48They're going to be sitting at the end of the bench.
03:49Okay.
03:50I've talked about one guy.
03:51Kalel where?
03:52No.
03:53I mentioned Kaspers Yacachonas.
03:55I probably know that he's not going to play.
03:56But he was awesome last night for his first preseason game.
03:59That I'm not disputing.
04:00Okay.
04:01But let's not.
04:02But here's the thing.
04:03This is why I take umbrage with you.
04:06Umbrage.
04:07Spell it.
04:08I take umbrage with you because you just want to play defense against excitement.
04:14That's not true.
04:14It is true.
04:15Hear me out.
04:16Hear me out.
04:16Hear me out on this.
04:17You want to make a point about he's not going to play when he is going to play.
04:21All right.
04:21Very clearly.
04:21Kaspers Yacachonas.
04:22I'm not talking about Kaspers Yacachonas.
04:24Well, then why?
04:24Why?
04:25He's the lead story.
04:26He's the lead story, baby.
04:28You went on about five guys.
04:30I went on about three.
04:31I mentioned Kaspers Yacachonas and Jaime Hacquez, who, by the way, has played in the past.
04:35He stunk up the joint, so he lost his role.
04:37So that doesn't really go to your point either.
04:39Um, the only, the only one that would go with it is the rookie, which he's a rookie, but you
04:44wouldn't say, you wouldn't say the first, the first performance that he has out there
04:48on the preseason.
04:49And he is just dishing the ball all over the place because Goran Dragic, greatest mentor
04:54of them all has led this man to the ways of the heat.
05:00And I don't know.
05:02You just, you immediately want to do it because I'm excited about something.
05:04And what can we do here?
05:05We can see.
05:06Wait, wait, wait.
05:07So here's the, here's, here's the, the, the funny part about all of this.
05:12At no point in time.
05:14And the reason why we get into it so much at no point in time, do you maybe go overboard
05:21a little bit?
05:22Nope.
05:23Okay.
05:24Then, then sure.
05:27Well, you can say, you can say what you want.
05:29Okay.
05:29But I'm not, what have I got overboard about?
05:31Huh?
05:31What about, have I said they won the tournament?
05:32You always do it.
05:33What have I gone overboard about in the last six minutes?
05:35Other than the fact that you got knocked out by your own headphones.
05:40Oh, no, I didn't.
05:41Okay.
05:41So, like, you were late.
05:44You can't let him.
05:44Yeah, you can't.
05:45Excuse me.
05:46You were very tarny.
05:46Excuse me.
05:47Aren't you guys quibbling right now?
05:48It's on drag.
05:48Well, it's just, he's a fun slayer.
05:51That's all he is.
05:52He's a fun slayer.
05:52He's a fun slayer.
05:53Like, he sits here.
05:54You were just trying to get the stink on you.
05:56Whoa.
05:56You were just trying to get the stink on you.
05:57You saw that?
05:58And look at you.
05:59Raining on their clouds.
06:01Wow, Leroy, you see that?
06:02You see how she just turned her back off.
06:03No, because she don't want that stink on her.
06:06Bernadick Arnold.
06:07Look at that.
06:08What did he say?
06:11Yep.
06:16Jay Figgs, a murderer.
06:19So, no.
06:20All right.
06:22Go ahead.
06:22You don't think it.
06:23Let me just say something.
06:24Hear me out on this.
06:26Uh-huh.
06:27You don't think it's exciting to have the only player in the league
06:30that could go with Victor Wembenyama?
06:33In a preseason game?
06:34But he's not in regular season, too.
06:36Two games.
06:37Two games.
06:37So, two for two.
06:39That's the sample size, bro.
06:40That's the sample size.
06:41Well, that's all I have.
06:42What happened to the game in San Antonio?
06:45What did happen to the game in San Antonio?
06:49Yeah, what happened?
06:50I don't recall.
06:51You don't recall?
06:51I don't recall.
06:52Did he not play?
06:53Did he not play?
06:55I don't recall.
06:57I'm being genuine.
06:59Did he lose?
07:00Yeah.
07:00Okay.
07:02But you seem to forget that game.
07:03Seems like he leads the series, then.
07:04A preseason game?
07:06Seems like it's a 2-1 series lead.
07:08No, preseason.
07:09You just said it's preseason.
07:10You just said it's preseason.
07:12Let's see.
07:13Did you see him cook?
07:15Go at him.
07:16It ain't me.
07:17No, no, no, no.
07:18I told you.
07:18Go ahead.
07:18I'm genuinely asking a question, though.
07:21This guy's 7'5", they list him at.
07:23Yeah.
07:23Okay.
07:24No, nobody is saying.
07:25He had a reverse alley-oop over Bam Adebayo.
07:28Yeah, that was crazy.
07:28Because he's too damn tall.
07:31Uh-huh.
07:31This guy, number seven on the heat, the warehouse, didn't leave his feet and blocked him to the
07:39floor.
07:40Yeah.
07:41You don't think that's kind of awesome to have one of those?
07:44Yes, absolutely.
07:46Why don't you seem like it?
07:48What do you mean?
07:48Because you're like, what am I supposed to be doing?
07:51It's a preseason game.
07:52The third preseason game.
07:53Because all you've said is preseason, not going to play.
07:56Eh, who cares?
07:56They lost.
07:56No, I didn't say it about Kalel.
07:58I did not say it about Kalel.
08:00I say it about all the other guys you were talking about.
08:03Okay.
08:03Stop saying all the other guys.
08:04I mentioned three guys.
08:05And I have not talked about any of them since I mentioned that point.
08:08So you keep going back to this point.
08:11And I really am at this point worried that we should really put you in protocol because
08:14of that hit that you took to the head.
08:16Don't deflate.
08:17You really got to deflate.
08:17I think every year when we go through preseason, we go through the same thing and then they
08:24end up in Sioux Falls.
08:26I don't know.
08:26Listen to this, Rob.
08:27While Kalel Ware had an outstanding individual performance against Victor Wambayama in January
08:33of 2025, Wambayama still remains the superior, more dominant player overall.
08:39Who says this?
08:41Google AI.
08:42Google AI.
08:42Oh, who cares what Google says?
08:45It's probably...
08:46If it was the other way around...
08:47Isn't Google AI based in France?
08:48You know if it was the other way around.
08:49You know it's based in France, right?
08:52Hey.
08:52How convenient.
08:54I'm not...
08:55That's why.
08:55See, I stayed out of...
08:56Wee wee.
08:57Hold on, though.
08:58Hold on.
08:58Nobody's sitting here and saying Victor Wambayama is not a good player.
09:02I'm not saying that at all.
09:03I'm not saying that at all.
09:04But you're saying that Kalel Ware owns him.
09:05I'm not...
09:06Well...
09:08You know...
09:11Why?
09:11Wait.
09:12Well...
09:12You are...
09:13You overdo it.
09:15And then when there's an issue or when I say something about it, you go, oh, you're
09:19raining on my brain.
09:20After five years, I've just graduated into, like, second level of Tobinism.
09:29Congratulations.
09:30I had seen it.
09:31It took five years.
09:32But, you know, I've elevated to the second level.
09:35Because Tobin is really trying to say that Victor Wambayama cannot hold a candle.
09:40That's not what I said.
09:41To kill you.
09:41I didn't say not hold a candle.
09:43You're trying to imply.
09:43I'm saying that...
09:44You're implying.
09:45Vlad.
09:45You're implying.
09:46Vlad.
09:47How many people in the league?
09:48There's not many.
09:49How many people in the league?
09:50There's not many.
09:51Can physically go with that guy.
09:53How many people are seven foot?
09:55Yeah.
09:56But seven foot like Toellas.
09:58Plus.
09:59Like athletic.
10:00Did you see the threes?
10:02Yeah.
10:03I mean...
10:03The threes?
10:03He started feeling froggy, too, with the step backs.
10:06Yeah.
10:06But then he faked the three and then did the old...
10:09No.
10:09I'm going to tell you the move that really impressed me.
10:11Hmm?
10:12The and one dunk off the missed rebound.
10:14That was good.
10:15That was good.
10:16That was good.
10:16That was big boy.
10:17That was big boy.
10:18Yeah.
10:19The me-bounce?
10:19That was good.
10:20No, it wasn't a me-bounce.
10:21It wasn't a me-bounce?
10:21No, it wasn't a me-bounce.
10:22It wasn't a me-bounce.
10:23He went for the shot, missed it, grabbed it, and just said, little man, I'm taking you
10:28to a flight to Dunkville.
10:32I'm not here to say that he is Victor Wembenyama.
10:34All I'm saying is the entire NBA media landscape right now, all the podcast boys out there and
10:41every blogger and every writer wants to say Victor Wembenyama.
10:44Yeah, ESPN said he's a top five player already, which I think is a little crazy.
10:46Who?
10:47Victor Wembenyama.
10:48He is!
10:48Top five?
10:51Top five?
10:51You know if Khalil had the skills package that Victor has, you would be saying that he's
10:57a top five player.
10:58You know that, right?
10:59Top five already?
11:00I don't think anybody can say he's a top five player already.
11:02Like, Tobin, if he was wearing a Miami Heat uniform, you would be saying he's a top five
11:08player.
11:08That's the argument that I have more than me.
11:10I don't think so.
11:11You gotta have some accolades and chops.
11:14You can't just show up as being a physical freak.
11:17Like, Anthony Edwards keeps moving his team through the playoffs.
11:20This guy has been in the lottery the last two years.
11:22Now, I understand that he got blood clots, but they weren't going there last year either.
11:25So, I'm just saying, top five strong.
11:27I'm not saying top ten, on the fringes of the top ten, fine.
11:31Yes, he's one of the biggest freaks in the league.
11:33Top five, dude?
11:34Yeah.
11:35Can you win an MVP?
11:38You gotta play enough games first.
11:39No, I'm just saying, can you win an MVP before we do that?
11:41You gotta play enough games first.
11:43No, but that's not fair.
11:44I'm not saying a crazy thing here.
11:46No.
11:46Just because you're one of the biggest physical freaks that's, like, ever walked onto the
11:49court doesn't mean you're a top five player when you walk right on the court.
11:52Neither did Anthony either.
11:55Yeah, it took a while before anybody would consider him that.
11:57He's gotta do some things.
11:58But my point is, even with everybody putting him up there, you may have one of the only
12:05guys in the league that can go with him.
12:07No, you do have the only guys.
12:08And that's exciting.
12:10Yeah.
12:10Yeah.
12:11When you played him two times a year.
12:13Now, if you've seen him in the finals every year, that would be a, yeah, you would have
12:16the X factor.
12:17We'll see who gets there first.
12:19The race is on.
12:20So, wait, you telling me there's a race between the race and the race.
12:24No, no, no, no, no, no.
12:25No, no, no, no.
12:27The race is on, my friend.
12:28We gotta take a break.
12:29We're way over.
12:30We gotta take a break.
12:32Because.
12:32Yeah, hurry up and go to break.
12:34No, no, no, no.
12:34Hurry up and go to break after you drop that.
12:36I mean, happen.
12:37Hold on.
12:37Hold on.
12:38Hold on.
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