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00:00What's up Geeked Week? It's Juju, a.k.a. Straw Hat Goofy, your movie guy on TikTok, and if you
00:05follow me you probably know it's no surprise that it's one of my dreams to be sitting down with the
00:09directors of the new Netflix blockbuster, The Gray Man.
00:14Joe, Anthony Russo, how are you guys doing? This, again, is a dream of mine, but I want to know
00:18how you're doing right now.
00:19Great, this is also a dream of ours.
00:21Yeah, great to see you again.
00:22To me, great to see you. See, do they remember? Guys, talk about that. We met like three years ago,
00:27and they heard me screaming at an Avengers Endgame screener, and I guess I've made an impression.
00:32You were wearing a Miles Morales hoodie, if I remember correctly.
00:36They're giving me street cred, so make sure y'all know about that.
00:39But no, thank you for coming to the spot, man. Netflix Geeked, we're here.
00:42But let's talk about some of what you've done leading into The Gray Man.
00:46So you've made some of the biggest films ever. We're talking Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Civil War, You, Me, and
00:51Dupree,
00:52the paintball episodes in Community. You guys are just crushing it on everything that you're doing.
00:57What was it like doing this next challenge? What led you to doing something like The Gray Man?
01:02We love action films. I mean, we were geeks growing up, cinephiles. We loved everything pop culture. We loved movies.
01:09We loved television. We were playing video games.
01:12And we had voracious appetites, and we'd watch stuff and play stuff constantly.
01:16And then we would dissect stuff and talk about it. And we had things that we loved and commented, things
01:21that one of us would love and the other didn't, that we'd argue about.
01:26So action films were always a constant with the two of us.
01:29I think what we love about it is the high-level choreography that goes into it, the high degree of
01:33difficulty that's involved in making an action movie.
01:36There's a lot of nonverbal storytelling moments in an action film.
01:42I think one of our favorite things in filmmaking is just being able to shift gears on the audience.
01:46You know, you want to give people a ride where they can't expect what's going to happen next.
01:50We also love the thematics that go with the sort of characters that are in death-defying situations and how
01:57they stare down death and how that defines who they are as people and as a character.
02:00And so those were always some of my favorite films, just seeing these, you know, really intense characters.
02:05The characters are the best at what, you know, in their particular craft, at what they did or had a
02:10certain level of skills that, you know, allowed them to survive, but just barely.
02:16And that's really what The Grey Man's about.
02:18Fans of the thrills. I love that.
02:19We did. We love that.
02:20Can you tell me a little bit about The Grey Man and, like, what the story entails?
02:24Well, The Grey Man is about an agent in the CIA, and he is in a special program called the
02:32Sierra Program that takes prisoners of a certain profile and basically offers them a way out of prison.
02:40And wipes their identity, turns them into a ghost, and trains them to be the best assassins in the world.
02:45That's a scary prospect when you really think about that, right?
02:48You know, people who don't have anything to lose.
02:49Yeah.
02:50You take everything away from them and say, here.
02:51And that's what he's trained. The reason he's called The Grey Man is, you know, it's his job to disappear
02:56his identity, but also to disappear in circumstances where he's been sent in to kill someone.
03:01He has to move in and out without being noticed.
03:04So, in the world of secrets and spies, he is the most secret.
03:08Because nobody literally knows who he is, you know?
03:10I feel like, you know, with 007, people kind of have an inkling of who he is.
03:14But here, they're free to pretty much live in the shadows and the grave.
03:18And they push their identity down.
03:21So, it's an interesting character because the journey in the film is about identity.
03:24It's about him discovering who he is and what it is that he wants.
03:27Because, you know, he spent a large portion of his life in jail.
03:31And then the second portion of his life working for the CIA against his will.
03:35So, he really has never had a moment in his life to define who he is as a person.
03:40And that's what the film is about.
03:41That's very interesting.
03:42Well, keeping on the topic of, like, just the Gray Man and just this theme of reuniting, right?
03:48Like, we've reunited on this set right now.
03:50That's right.
03:51Right?
03:51But the Gray Man sees you reuniting with screenwriters that you've worked with on numerous occasions.
03:55Christopher Marcus and Stephen McFeely, right?
03:57What was it like collaborating with them again and being, going from superhero blockbusters to now this action-packed spy
04:03thriller?
04:04Well, we developed an amazing relationship with Chris and Steve through the four films that we made with them at
04:10Marvel.
04:10We spent about seven, eight years working together on those movies.
04:16And as we were all sort of moving on past Endgame, we were forming a company called Agbo, Joe and
04:23I.
04:23Fans of the TikTok.
04:24Yeah, we dabble.
04:25We dabble.
04:26And then we asked them to be our partners in it.
04:29So, we now have a company together where the four of us basically can work together and create original material,
04:36develop things that we're passionate about.
04:38And so, we have a very thick relationship with them.
04:40And our work with them on the Gray Man, I think, was just an extension of a great range of
04:46work and experiences that we have together.
04:48That's really cool.
04:49It's all about putting that team together, right?
04:50That's right.
04:51Collaboration is everything.
04:52I mean, especially when we're working at this scale, this level of ambition of projects that are this complicated.
04:57You know, we, Anthony and I, like to work a lot.
05:00So, you know, collaboration is the essential nature of who we are as a directing team, has been for 25
05:07years.
05:08And that extends out into other key collaborators in our lives like Marcus and McFeely.
05:13Okay.
05:13Well, speaking of, like, key collaborators and putting that team together, you're working with Chris Evans again for this movie.
05:19You're reuniting with him again.
05:20Yeah, we love us some Chris Evans.
05:22We all do.
05:24When you were done with, like, the whole Avengers era, working with Chris Evans there, was there previous conversations during
05:30or maybe a little bit after of doing something non-Avengers or Marvel related?
05:33Or were you in the middle of crafting this film and saying, he will be great for this.
05:37We trust him.
05:38For sure.
05:38I think everyone who works on Marvel is very grateful that they worked at Marvel because it affords you incredible
05:44opportunity from the branding exposure and, you know, the international visibility you have.
05:49There's a bankability to it.
05:51You know, Chris can get things made because he's Chris Evans.
05:54And Marvel is a huge part of that.
05:56But it's also nice after you've done 10 years doing one kind of thing to go do a bunch of
06:01different other things, you know?
06:03And, you know, what's fun about The Gray Man is it's his brand new IP.
06:07It's new storytelling.
06:10It's, you know, based on a book.
06:11But, you know, it hasn't been in, you know, film or TV before.
06:16And Chris is, you know, at a point in his career where he wants to take risks.
06:19I mean, of all the amazing actors we worked with in the MCU, our longest collaboration was with Chris Evans.
06:25We started with him.
06:27And finished with him.
06:28And we finished with him, exactly.
06:29So we spent a lot of time talking with all those actors about other ideas.
06:33You had plenty of downtime in the filmmaking process to sort of explore one another and sort of feel out
06:40what's interesting to them.
06:42And certainly to be able to offer a role like this to Chris was a thrill for us because it's
06:47so far away from what he did as Captain America.
06:50Absolutely.
06:51And Chris is an amazing actor.
06:52He became very well known and iconic for his performance as Captain America.
06:56But he can do remarkable things as an actor in very different styles, very different tones.
07:01And you'll see that in this movie for sure.
07:04The range on that man is, like, insane.
07:06And underrated, I will add, too.
07:07Without question, I think he's a very technically gifted actor.
07:12And being technically sound allows you to take chances and gives you great range because you have the technique to
07:20prepare properly for that role.
07:22Yeah.
07:23And he's very good at that.
07:25He's very disciplined and he's very hardworking.
07:27He's also got great instincts.
07:29He understands the camera.
07:30He understands how people are going to read what it is that he's doing.
07:33So he's self-aware.
07:34He almost has, like, a third eye that can see him performing.
07:37You know, so he's really gifted that way.
07:39And I think that affords him the opportunity to take these kinds of risks.
07:42That's awesome.
07:43Because Chris, you know, I find and I will cite forever to this day that one of his greatest performances
07:48is him as Lucas Lee and Scott Program versus the world.
07:51Yeah, that's right.
07:52A villain turn, which, again, you guys kind of took his image as Captain America very morally upright, very kind
07:58of, like, stern.
07:59And then you flipped him to being a villain here.
08:01It's so rare to find an actor of his caliber who is willing to play a villain and wants to
08:08play a villain on the screen.
08:09It reminds us of Fonda in Once Upon a Time in the West where he took this sort of all
08:15-American reputation and put it at risk by playing basically a child killer.
08:23Evan's doing the same thing here.
08:24He's playing, like, a ferocious psychopath.
08:26Yeah.
08:26Highly entertaining, very sarcastic, but, you know, does a lot of terrible things in the movie.
08:33And, you know, that's risky.
08:35Yeah.
08:35Yeah, very far from Captain America here.
08:37Very far.
08:38So, going from Chris, you landed on Ryan Gosling.
08:42Tell me a little bit more about what went into that choice of saying Ryan's our guy for that.
08:46The connection between the character and Ryan, Joe and I felt very early on, before we ever approached Ryan about
08:53it.
08:53It just, Ryan is a master of minimalism and subtlety.
08:58He knows how to convey a very complex inner life through, by doing very little as an actor.
09:06It's remarkable.
09:07But he can be extremely charismatic at the same time while he's doing that.
09:12And that's really what this character needed.
09:14This character is a very hidden, cloaked, careful character that doesn't waste any energy.
09:21Does it move if he doesn't have to?
09:23Because everything is being conserved in case he needs it and when he needs it.
09:28Ryan's approach to performance is somewhat similar to the gray man's approach to living, the actual character's approach to living,
09:36in a wild way.
09:37But, of course, the character's journey in the movie, the gray man, starts from that place of being very hidden.
09:42And through the movie, through his relationships in the movie, he's forced to come out.
09:47He's forced to commit at an emotional level to the people around him and the people that he cares about.
09:52And so, of course, Ryan, you know, again, his ability to create a very complex and compelling inner life, that
10:02just kind of blossoms as the movie goes on.
10:04And he was the dream actor.
10:06He also has a very weird, quirky sense of humor.
10:09Yeah.
10:09And the movie has a very quirky tone at points.
10:12So, you know, he checks every box for this character.
10:16I mean, Ryan's just spectacular.
10:18Yeah.
10:18I love how you talked about his ability to kind of mask a lot and do a lot with very,
10:24very little.
10:24You know, it definitely takes me back to his performance in Drive, right?
10:27You know, how he doesn't really have a lot of dialogue there.
10:30It's literally just like an internal type of story.
10:33Master of minimalism.
10:33You know, and he crushes it here with that same, like, sentiment as well.
10:38It's amazing.
10:38Well, guys, we can't talk about bringing, like, this badass story to life without hearing from those two leads that
10:44we just talked about, Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans.
10:46So we caught up with them on set to hear in their own words about bringing this movie to life.
10:50Let's take a look right now.
10:52The Russo brothers reached out to me about being in this film, and it was really exciting because, you know,
10:58I've always loved action movies.
11:00To get to be a part of something like that was really exciting, and to be able to do it
11:05with the Russos was even better.
11:06Being able to work with them again was a real treat.
11:08With those two, they could ask me to do anything, and I'd do it.
11:11I'm excited for an action movie, a true action movie, to have so many good characters and so many good
11:18performances.
11:19All the fight sequences were challenging.
11:21They were all very different from one another.
11:23We tried to find a way with the action in every situation we were in to really, you know, be
11:28in the space that we were going to be shooting, and then find a way to really use that environment.
11:34The Russos, they know every detail of action, why the score worked, or why the lighting worked, or just the
11:40speeding up of frames and everything.
11:42They're incredibly attentive to the detail, specifically with action.
11:47Man, so how does it feel having those two guys speak so highly of you the entire time?
11:53We pay them well.
11:54We pay them well.
11:55They're happy with their deal.
11:56No, they're amazing people.
11:58And here's the thing about both of them.
12:00They are actors, but they are also filmmakers.
12:03And I think that's why we connect so well, is because they are people who are paying attention to not
12:10only what they're doing as a performer on the set,
12:12but they're paying attention to what everybody else is doing and how they relate to them as a collaborator on
12:16the set.
12:17And that's the dream kind of actor.
12:18We love working with that kind of actor who is as conscious of the people around them as they are
12:25of themselves.
12:26And it's fun to see how much they're observing and how much they're sort of following in our process.
12:32But I can tell you, Joe and I feel that on set working with them.
12:35A lot of similarities in the way that we work.
12:38Anthe and I, because we're a duo, we have to talk out everything.
12:42So when we get to set, our process is really disciplined, very prescribed, focused.
12:47We are available to improv, but that's because we're so prepared.
12:51So we're okay throwing out part of the plan because we know we can always fall back on it if
12:56we need to.
12:57And both those actors are very similar to us.
12:59We're thorough.
13:00They're prepared.
13:02They're very sound, technical training.
13:04And we all like to work the same way.
13:08So we all had a great experience together.
13:09That's really cool.
13:10And again, I think that goes back to what you were saying, like that team of collaboration and just everyone
13:15having that spirit of wanting to create something cool, something awesome, something good.
13:19And it's really great to hear that those two have that same kind of like mindset that you two have,
13:23which is like pretty awesome.
13:25I want to get a little bit further into specific things that you've collaborated on.
13:29So you've described this film as nine set pieces, which is insane because I feel like movies, other movies have
13:37like that.
13:37It almost killed us.
13:39Probably literally because there's so many things going on.
13:41We talked about it right before the camera started rolling.
13:43But can you describe exactly what you meant by the nine action set pieces, describing it as nine set pieces?
13:48Yeah, I mean, this movie, what was so compelling about the book is that there's a conceit at the heart
13:54of the film is a character on the run.
13:57And Lloyd is this sort of this very savvy hunter of men.
14:01And Sierra Six, who's played by Ryan's character, is impossible to catch.
14:08You know, that's really the exercise of the film.
14:11And for us, it was, you know, we love action.
14:14So we're like, you know, how can we push it to its limits?
14:18How can we create something incredibly propulsive for the audience and, you know, highly watchable?
14:23I mean, there's just why something like Everything Everywhere All at Once works, why that level of absurdism works is
14:29because it's married to genre, right?
14:31And your brain, why genre works for you is your brain can track genre, has an understanding of it.
14:37There's certain rules that exist within it that then allow for that absurdism to be married to in a way
14:42that creates a very satisfying experience that's compulsively watchable.
14:45We're doing the same thing here where we're playing with tones.
14:48You know, there's a level of quirkiness to this movie that is unique for action films.
14:53But there's also an intense amount of action.
14:55And we're smashing those things together and trying to create a, you know, highly enjoyable, very, you know, compulsively watchable
15:02experience for the audience.
15:04It's because it's what we like, you know.
15:07And so I think, you know, hopefully it's going to be, you know, feel like a throwback action film in
15:14a lot of ways for people.
15:15I can tell the geekiness of how you describe this.
15:18Like, I can tell there's so much inspiration from films past that, like, really informed, like, the action set pieces
15:24here and everything like that.
15:25You also did that with Winter Soldier, throwing it back to the 70s spy thrillers of the past as well.
15:31But you filmed so many action scenes over the years with Chris, so he's kind of indoctrinated into your style
15:37of action filming.
15:38But Ryan hasn't necessarily done action like this before.
15:43Like, we've seen him in Blade Runner 2049.
15:44We've seen him in things like Drive.
15:46But there's very different action than what you guys do.
15:48And again, you guys have your very unique visual language.
15:51It's physical. It's kinetic.
15:52It's dynamic, you know.
15:54We ask actors to train very hard for it.
15:58We like the actors to execute most of the action as long as it's safe.
16:02And you want your brain going, ah, that's a stunt player.
16:04So we do push them very hard.
16:07And Ryan took to it like a fish to water.
16:09He really, he really worked his ass off.
16:12He's in incredible shape for this movie.
16:15I think the best shape of his life.
16:19And he understood that, you know, what it is that you do with your body in an action film
16:23informs, in a lot of ways, who you are as a character.
16:26That's what Anthony and I liked about it.
16:28There's almost a, it's like a cave painting in a lot of ways, right?
16:31Like it's demonstrative in the way that it communicates to an audience action, the action genre.
16:39So, and I think he really understood that.
16:42And he painted a portrait of a character physically that had been in prison.
16:46And he understood, you know, that his only value in prison would be working out.
16:52And then took that, and it's the only way he's going to survive.
16:55And then carried that forward into being an agent.
16:58And so his body's scar-covered and he's chiseled.
17:01It affects the size of his neck.
17:03So that's the little subtle things that it did to give his performance this quality of like an ex-con.
17:08Right, right.
17:08You don't want to have, you know, all the show and no go, right?
17:11That's right.
17:11And he has the show.
17:13Right.
17:13And as we're about to see in a little bit, he has plenty of go.
17:16He has plenty of go.
17:17So you guys brought an exclusive clip with you guys from the Batman, right?
17:20Can you like get the people excited about what they're about to see?
17:23Like what exactly are we about to see right now?
17:25I think this is a real hype clip because this is...
17:27Yeah, it's a very special moment in the movie.
17:28This is Gosling versus Evans.
17:30That's the first time that those two characters meet.
17:33The Unstoppable Force and the Immovable Object crashing into each other.
17:39and, you know, the movie really is a mano a mano
17:42and it's unique to get a film like this
17:44because it's hard to get a movie star to play a villain.
17:48And Evans, again, being at that point in his career and wanting to take risks,
17:52you now have these two enormous movie stars going head-to-head with each other
17:56and this would give you a taste of what that's like.
17:58That's really cool.
17:59Well, I'm excited to see that, to be honest.
18:02Let's take a look at it right now.
18:16Oh!
18:30Aw, man.
18:32Hey, Sunshine.
18:33Mmm.
18:34You must be loyal.
18:35What gave it away?
18:36The white pass, the trash stash, it just, it leans Lloyd.
18:43Where's the drive?
18:44I got it here somewhere, it's just hard to see either.
18:47Is that it?
18:52I'll be here.
19:11It's young, tougher spray.
19:17Nice try, pumpkin.
19:18What's that?
19:19I sure you.
19:19Why?
19:21You want my foot in your ass?
19:22Ah, shit!
19:27Mother.
19:33I'm sick of an 11.
19:36Who's this lunatic?
19:37Oh, Lloyd.
19:39Let's go.
19:40I'm good.
19:41Let's go.
19:43It sounded like a question.
19:45You know, I was over here thinking to myself, like, at some point, if you're a henchman,
19:49you just got to drop the gun and say, he's got three of my guys.
19:52Let's just go.
19:54Glad you brought that up.
19:55I was just, as you can see, it's not a very violent movie.
19:58No, no, no.
20:00The action is absolutely awesome, though.
20:01Like, seeing Ryan Gosling, like, again, he did the work.
20:03He's mowing down these dudes left and right.
20:06But what's also very striking is that, and I think you guys have already kind of perfected
20:09this art, is that not only is it badass, it's really, really funny.
20:13And that's very hard to kind of, like, balance with, you know, having a badass moment and then
20:17throwing in a joke to maybe compromise that.
20:19But you don't compromise it.
20:20It's really just a tête-à-tête between Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans.
20:25Can you talk about balance in that?
20:26I think Joe and I like to play with tone in very sort of odd mixtures.
20:30And the reason we do that is because, you know, the audience doesn't know where you're going
20:34to go next.
20:34You know, part of that scene we just watched is really brutal and kind of shocking.
20:39Absolutely.
20:39And then all of a sudden it twists and can become very witty and sort of strange on a
20:45character level.
20:46Yeah.
20:47And then sort of the dexterity, the ability to be able to pivot between those kinds of
20:51ideas as filmmakers and as performers is difficult.
20:55And it's something we like to play with because it's just exciting to watch.
20:59Yeah.
20:59Yeah.
21:00The thing is, it's like the two of them are, like you said, assassins at the top of their
21:03game, like masters in their craft.
21:05And so there's almost an edge of competitiveness in the fight, right?
21:11They're super confident in what they're doing.
21:13So it's almost like that trash talk of like, I'm going to get you and you're going to know
21:17that I'm going to get you and I'm going to enjoy it.
21:19And that's like the cool thing about seeing that humor come through.
21:22And that's what you can kind of see how that informs the action scenes.
21:25Now that we've gotten fans hyped for the Gray Man, they still have about a month and a
21:28half to wait until the movie actually comes out.
21:31Do you guys have any last words to help tide them over until the movie is released?
21:35I'll say this.
21:37We've talked a lot about Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans, but you know, I also have to remember
21:42there's Anna de Armas, Billy Bob Thornton, Alfre Woodard, Regé-Jean Page.
21:48Dinoosh.
21:49Dinoosh.
21:49Dinoosh.
21:50You know, it's Jessica Henwick.
21:52The cast is dynamite in this movie.
21:56And there's a lot of places to go other than those two guys up front.
22:00That's awesome.
22:01I'm really excited for Anna de Armas and Dinoosh.
22:03Like between the two of those, like seeing him, like this is his introduction to Hollywood,
22:07right?
22:07That's right.
22:08This is his very first Hollywood film.
22:09He's fantastic.
22:09He's a huge star over and over in India as well.
22:12So I'm really excited to see him getting that.
22:14But Joe, Anthony, thank you so much for taking the time to sit here and talk to me about
22:17just movies and this film in general.
22:19Like, so excited for The Grey Man, so excited for everybody to see it.
22:22Can't wait to find out what our next epic reunion will be.
22:25Awesome.
22:26Looking forward to it.
22:27All right.
22:28For those of you at home, there's plenty more in store for The Grey Man before it comes
22:31out on Netflix July 22nd.
22:32So be sure to follow Netflix Geeked and Netflix Film from all the updates.
22:36And also, don't forget to follow your movie guy, Straw Hat Goofy, on TikTok, Instagram,
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22:42Just, you see it.
22:43That's it for us here.
22:45But up next, you're going to be hearing from the stars of School for Good and Evil and
22:48getting a sneak peek at the upcoming Paul Feig fantasy film.
22:51Before we let you go, though, let's take a look at the badass Grey Man trailer one last
22:55time.
23:00What do you know about the Sierra program?
23:04Reckless mystery man you guys send in when you can't officially send anyone else.
23:08The Grey Man.
23:11Lloyd.
23:14They got an urgent locate and destroy.
23:16That could be fun.
23:17The man's got some street credit.
23:34You're hurt.
23:36I mean, my ego's a little bruised.
23:40They have something they really want.
23:42What's your gut?
23:43It's going to be my funeral you're going to next.
23:46You want to make an omelet?
23:48You got to kill some people.
23:52You must be loyal.
23:54What gave it away?
23:55The trash stash.
23:56It just, it leans loyal.
23:59Easy.
24:05I'm about to put a hit so big on your boy's head that even his most loyal allies don't hesitate
24:11to drop a dime.
24:13Every grade A wet team from here to Lakeville will be vying for the prestige of killing the
24:19infamous Sierra Six.
24:22I can kill anybody.
24:35Maybe not anybody.
24:38I can kill anybody.
24:41I can kill anybody.
24:51I can kill anybody.
24:52I can kill anybody.
24:56I'm going to make an omelet.
24:59I'm going to make an omelet.
24:59It's going to kill anybody.
24:59I can kill anybody.
25:00Grazie.