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Tobin goes to battle with Hoch after hearing his Goran Dragic slander and rips Crowder for diminishing Chris Bosh’s role with the Big 3 Heat.
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00:00And I have to detour a second or two here at the beginning of today's show, because what happened was
00:06Tobin, I'm here in the studio in Miami, and Tobin apparently was talking about me and bringing something up on
00:14his show that just ended.
00:16And I was sitting in the front of the building.
00:19I was talking with a couple of people, and I get a text from my friend Buddha, and he's like,
00:25man, Tobin is crushing you on the air right now about Goran Dragic.
00:30And I walked back to the studio, and I saw Tobin was finishing up his show, and he was talking
00:35about me.
00:36And so just to give a little background, if you were listening to the show yesterday, I was saying to
00:42Crowder and Solana and Jimmy, and by the way, I've shared this before.
00:48I think Goran Dragic is a little needy from Heat Nation at times.
00:55No, I know.
00:56I understand.
00:56I just think he's a little needy.
00:58But this was something that really is meant for the confines of our little radio show.
01:07I wasn't trying to get into Heat Nation with my Goran take, because it's more cutesy radio shit.
01:14And Solana did me dirty on social media.
01:20He sent out one of these, what do they call, vines?
01:23Yeah, vine.
01:25He vined him.
01:26Solana.
01:27I had a kick out of my own old references.
01:30Vines was funny.
01:30You can't cut your way out of this one.
01:32I'm furious.
01:32I can't keep my way out of this.
01:33I think by the end of the segment, I will have myself cuted out of this.
01:38So Solana posts on Instagram.
01:41He sends it out on the 104.3 QAM Instagram account.
01:45Did me so dirty.
01:47My Goran take, which was tongue-in-cheek yesterday.
01:51Crowder, I was like, Goran doesn't need to give Giannis his approval for number seven.
01:58Twelve people have worn number seven since Goran wore it.
02:03What did you call him yesterday?
02:04Top 20 Heat player of all time?
02:06Yeah, about top 20.
02:08Yeah.
02:08I mean, and that's fine.
02:10But like, did he give his approval to Kalil Ware?
02:15I believe he did give his approval to Kalil Ware.
02:17Okay.
02:17One approval's enough then.
02:20He also, I think Kyle Lowry claimed that he called Goran for permission to have number seven.
02:25So two approvals.
02:26Well, that's enough approvals.
02:27You need approvals.
02:27Because you want to know why?
02:28For the rest of time, number seven has to be approved by Goran Drogon.
02:33First of all, it should already be in the rafters.
02:35The fact that it keeps getting passed around like a cigarette is ridiculous.
02:39He should already be up in the rafters because he's arguably the greatest seat point guard of all time.
02:44But the idea that you want to make it seem like he's some run-of-the-mill role player is
02:51infuriating to me.
02:52Well, isn't that kind of what they're telling you, though, when they've given his number to Kyle Lowry and Kalil
02:58Ware?
02:58And who was wearing it during summer league?
03:00Ryan Conwell.
03:01Ryan Conwell.
03:02Ryan Conwell was wearing number seven.
03:04Like, does Ryan Conwell need to come out with a heartfelt statement allowing Giannis to wear number seven?
03:10Like, I mean, what are we doing here, Tobin?
03:12I know you think you're being funny right now.
03:14You're not.
03:15I mean, this guy was the leading scorer on a finals team.
03:17If his foot doesn't explode, we're talking already that he'd have another championship.
03:21Who knows if we even go down the hole of Jimmy.
03:25Okay, well, then let's put Nick Saban in the Dolphins' ring of honor.
03:29How is that the same?
03:30Because if he chose Drew Brees, they'd probably win some Super Bowl.
03:34That's the same thing to you?
03:35Well, if you're going to do the if this happened, this might have happened, let's put Nick Saban in the
03:40Dolphins' ring of honor.
03:42Four wins from a championship is the same as an entire coaching career?
03:45You know what's funny is I was going to try to cute my way out of this, and now I'm
03:48just doubling down.
03:51I don't like it.
03:52Don't post this.
03:53I don't like it.
03:53And quite frankly, Crowder, I haven't liked what you've been doing with Chris Bosh lately either.
03:57Yeah.
03:58One rebound.
03:59Yeah.
03:59Let's get him.
04:00I don't like that either.
04:01Let's get him.
04:02We'll give him.
04:03These are the most.
04:04Get him, Tobin.
04:06They're the most reluctant players of all time.
04:08Like, what's their approval?
04:09200% Chris Bosh and Goran Trials.
04:16Tobes, my point was you get Amari Stoudemire that offseason added to Wade and Braun.
04:21Braun, they still got two out of four.
04:24They got Amari Stoudemire.
04:25He was terrible down here.
04:27Bosh gets credit for taking a back seat to basketball and standing over in the corner.
04:32Bosh is a great player.
04:33I distance myself from that take.
04:36I distance myself from that.
04:38And I really do appreciate Goran Dragic.
04:42He does not belong in the Raptors.
04:44That's ridiculous.
04:45Unless he's buying tickets.
04:52So you're telling me that a guy who was the leading scorer on a final team, an all-star,
04:57I remind you, it's a little bit of a weird history that he'd have.
04:59I mean, Shaq's up there for playing two seasons.
05:01So I'm just going by what they've had.
05:02They won a championship.
05:03But if his foot doesn't break, you can't do that.
05:07They win a championship.
05:08It's all by injury.
05:10That entire run, the only reason they get to the finals is because of Goran Dragic.
05:13Led the team in scoring until the finals.
05:15But again, I'm not trying to diminish what Goran meant to the Heat.
05:21What?
05:22You're not?
05:22No, I'm not.
05:23Is anyone other than – is Ronnie Cykley in the Rafters?
05:26No.
05:27So is anyone in the Rafters who didn't win a championship?
05:30Tim Hardaway.
05:30Tim.
05:31So Tim Hardaway.
05:32Actually the best point guard to ever play for the Heat.
05:34Best point guard.
05:35I mean, like, inarguably.
05:37Not inarguably.
05:38Inarguably.
05:38Not inarguably.
05:40Inarguably.
05:40If his foot doesn't explode and he has a championship, then he gets the nod over Tim.
05:45Yeah.
05:45I don't think so.
05:46I think he does, dude.
05:47Yeah.
05:48How many All-Star games did Tim Hardaway make?
05:50I want to say three.
05:51How many did Goran make?
05:52One.
05:52When he was the first choice?
05:54He wasn't the first choice.
05:57That's how I got into that bet with the Australian member of Parliament.
06:00He was the third choice, if I remember correctly.
06:03Boy, I do have a lot of disdain for Goran Dragic.
06:06I don't understand.
06:06He's the most lovable person in the world.
06:08I like him a lot.
06:09He just seems to insert himself a lot of places.
06:12Well, he's at every game waving his hand at the crowd, toes.
06:16He's Goran Dragic.
06:18But he's trying to get the cameraman's attention to put him up.
06:22You know how they show celebrities?
06:24And a lot of times the celebrities don't even want it.
06:26He's like, hey!
06:29I don't understand this.
06:30Hold on.
06:30Show me!
06:31Nat Moore has been at every Dolphins game known to man for 30 years.
06:36If you're going to blaspheme Nat Moore on this show.
06:39But what, Goran Dragic just wants to go to a basketball game?
06:41And you guys are judging?
06:42No, Goran doesn't.
06:43You're calling him an attention?
06:43Goran doesn't just want to go to a basketball game.
06:46He wears his Dragic jersey.
06:49He brings his own camera crew.
06:51If Crowder posted that for Philip Wheeler, you know, hey, 52, you know, guys.
06:56It would be just as absurd.
06:57It would be nice.
06:59That would have been absurd.
07:00It's the same thing.
07:02If I gave my blessing to Philip Wheeler, it's the same as Dragic giving his blessing to somebody.
07:07It would be you today giving your blessing to whoever's wearing 52 for the Dolphins.
07:13If he did it for Jacob Rodriguez, I think it would be Goosey's.
07:16I would love that.
07:17I would.
07:17That's how far Crowder is removed from Goran wearing number seven.
07:22But he also sneakily recruited.
07:24You don't think that he was in Milwaukee telling Giannis how much it sucks to be in Milwaukee?
07:29And he's like, brother, please, just go to my home.
07:31How about Goran and Davion stop flying around everywhere?
07:36Are you going to take out Davion Mitchell now?
07:38You're going to get travel?
07:39I'm wearing my heat hoodie.
07:41I'm a heat lifer.
07:43You just went to Switzerland and did you see Jackson Hayes?
07:46Who did you see?
07:47That's not Miles Turner.
07:49Miles Turner?
07:49I laughed like Jackson Hayes is so outlandish.
07:52No, it was Miles Turner.
07:54Hey, Tobin.
07:55Tobin.
07:55You see what I deal with?
07:57There I bring up the fact that Pella Larson is going to be a really elite role player for the
08:02Miami Heat this year.
08:03It's like I'm the biggest heat homer of all time.
08:07And the reality is, like, one guy hates Goran Dragic.
08:10One guy hates Chris Posh.
08:11I mean, that's what I'm dealing with here.
08:13Let me just, let me, Tobin, let's be honest about it.
08:15We would say this is an amazing lineup.
08:18We got, we got Bam.
08:20We have Giannis.
08:21Bron comes in.
08:22Now we got Davion at the one.
08:24If we could bring in a, you know, another guard or somebody on the wing, we'll be set.
08:29And then Solano was saying, we got Pella coming off the bench.
08:32What the hell about Pella Larson right now?
08:35Obviously, you guys weren't watching what he did in the World Cup qualifiers for Sweden.
08:39But Pella Larson put up 30 a game for Sweden.
08:42No, it's definitely difficult to rise.
08:44He's got a headband now, too.
08:46It's definitely difficult to rise to the top of the Swedish team.
08:50Imagine being the greatest player in your country's history.
08:53Right.
08:53Yeah, there's a lot of top Swedish basketball players.
08:56I watched a little kid drop 40 in an AAU tournament the other day, Tobes.
09:01See, this is unfortunately what Solana does and now Tobin's doing it.
09:05He's painting me into some corner about Goran Dragic and he's painting Crowder into a corner about Chris Bosh.
09:12And that's not what Chris Bosh take was crazy.
09:14That's not what we're about.
09:16Oh, you haven't heard half his Chris Bosh takes.
09:20He's just like, oh, yeah, anybody.
09:21Jamal McGlory, if you give him the shot.
09:24Hey, give me the ball, LeBron.
09:25No, give me the ball, Wade.
09:26No.
09:27Okay, well, that was my contribution.
09:31Just to not take the ball?
09:32I believe he said any big in the NBA could have been Chris Bosh.
09:36Do you guys remember how many bigs we went through to try that before they were just like, hey, Chris,
09:41you just be the center?
09:41I don't agree with the take.
09:43I don't agree with the take.
09:43Crowder, did you not remember the Dexter Pittman game, how terrible that was because Chris was hurt for those Pacers
09:49series?
09:49But I do agree with Crowder that there are plenty of bigs.
09:54I shouldn't say plenty, but there are more players who could have replaced Bosh and they still would have gone
10:03to four finals than could have replaced either Wade or LeBron.
10:07So what he's saying, right.
10:09No, no, no, no.
10:10He has to be three in a big three.
10:11Correct.
10:11And that's all Crowder's point is, is that he was easily the three.
10:17Yeah, but.
10:18And the three is the most replaceable component.
10:20He's not made.
10:21But Crowder, you packaged it like the three of the big three is Joel Anthony.
10:26Like, that's what you made him sound like.
10:28He's not Joel Anthony, but it's just, I hate that everybody, when you say, and he said, look at his
10:33number.
10:33I'm like, look at his numbers.
10:34Look at it.
10:34Well, he had to take a back seat.
10:36So for you to get in the back seat is that that's your, that's your claim to fame.
10:40And then you get one rebound and kick it out to somebody for three and it's finals.
10:44And now it's, he's very good.
10:46He's a hall of fame.
10:47The greatest rebound in the history of the league.
10:50And he, he makes it seem like that's all Chris Bosh has ever done.
10:53And making it sound like he had one rebound.
10:55And the other thing is like, I just don't think he's recalling.
10:59And I don't, maybe it was just because like, it's foggy now because everybody won the championship.
11:03How bad it was the games he was out against Indiana and the Celtics where they blew a 2-0
11:09lead.
11:10Remember in that 21 game winning streak, I think Chris Bosh single-handedly with Wade and LeBron both out.
11:15Single-handedly kept that streak going.
11:16Big shot, Bosh.
11:17Yeah, you know, he plays, he has some good stretches.
11:21Just to the hall of fame.
11:22And, you know, when his, when his blood didn't work, then we are.
11:25But I want everyone to take down my Goran video.
11:27I don't, I don't, uh, I don't stand by that.
11:31I just think it's a crazy thing.
11:33Your favorite player is Matas Buzelas and this is how you treat Goran?
11:35I mean.
11:36Like, what are we doing?
11:37Tell me you're not scared of that Bulls team.
11:39Have you, did you, I mean, you want to talk about the Swedish team?
11:42Did you see Caleb Wilson in summer league?
11:44He did look incredible.
11:45Yeah.
11:45Caleb Wilson, Matas Buzelas, Josh Giddy.
11:49Yeah.
11:50I mean.
11:51Buzelas is the Bosh in this situation.
11:52Tell me, and you just told me how important the Bosh is in that situation.
11:56I just, but to say that you love Matas Buzelas and you treat Goran Dragic like he's Blake
12:02Ahern.
12:02Matas Buzelas went to the slam dunk contest in his rookie season.
12:07So what?
12:07Kishat Johnson just won it and they just told him to hit the bricks.
12:10It is rookie season.
12:12Yeah.
12:12But yeah.
12:13Who's that terrible Florida coach that Billy Donovan?
12:16Billy Donovan was, was killing, uh, modest.
12:18Like he stunted his growth for two or three seasons.
12:21That was his Kal-El?
12:23Yeah, yeah, exactly.
12:24He was way too hard on, he was, he would sit him at the end of games when everybody else
12:28was out there.
12:29That's Billy Donovan.
12:30He's a garbage.
12:30How did Matas do in that dunk contest?
12:33It's not how he did though.
12:35That's not the question.
12:36It's like, that's like bringing up wins and losses for the Dolphins this coming season.
12:40It's more, was he out there?
12:42Okay.
12:43Was he represented?
12:45I got you.
12:46He didn't have one dunk.
12:47He didn't make one.
12:48He missed five.
12:50I know I'm doing this with him being intangible zero guy, but I wouldn't picture him with
12:54the dunks.
12:55Well, I thought, you know, that's where you're wrong.
12:57Okay.
12:58And that's where you're wrong.
12:59Is he a big in-game dunker?
13:00He is.
13:01Are you, do I need to put together a modest Boozelis highlight reel for you?
13:04No, but I think you should go back and watch them go on Dragic highlights.
13:07Let's I guarantee you modest Boozelis has more highlights in his two seasons with the bulls
13:11than Gorn had in seven seasons with the, uh, are you just trying to bury yourself into
13:16more ridiculous?
13:17Okay.
13:17So what, what is the, you realize like he was the best player for Euro basket with Luca
13:21on it, right?
13:22What he was the MVP.
13:23Yeah.
13:24I know we play, we pay a lot of attention to Euro basket.
13:26You should.
13:27Um, if you're, if you're a Matas Boozelis fan, I pay more attention to we basketball than
13:31Euro basket.
13:32They are actually calling in Lithuania.
13:34They're calling Matas Boozelis, Kaspers, Yaka Chonis, and Bouchers.
13:37They are calling them the Lithuanian big three.
13:39Now what, uh, what, what is Goran signature moment with the heat?
13:44His signature moment, I would say is smacking Ben Simmons upside the head.
13:48Yep.
13:48Hmm.
13:49So something non-basketball related.
13:51It is basketball related.
13:52You're saying that's non-basketball related?
13:54Because I would say if you did a Mount Rushmore of Goran moments with the heat, it's going to
13:58be an injury.
14:00Do you really want me to get an answer?
14:02Getting injured.
14:03Knee breaks.
14:04Yeah.
14:05Wow.
14:05His knee brace has to be on the list, Tobes.
14:08Why are you, why are you kidding?
14:09The Austin, the Austin Burke commercial.
14:11Yeah.
14:12He's giving away seven suits for the price of ties.
14:16He looks very handsome.
14:17Nice.
14:18I didn't.
14:19I, I swear to God, this is not my opinion of Goran Dragic.
14:23I'm doing this just to annoy Tobin.
14:24Game seven against the Hornets.
14:26Shut it down right after purple shirt guy.
14:28Who won game seven?
14:29Goran Dragic.
14:30You're telling me purple shirt guy game is remembered for Goran Dragic.
14:35No, I'm saying the game after purple shirt guy game.
14:38The series still had to be won.
14:40Game after purple shirt guy.
14:41That's a win.
14:42You have to win a game seven.
14:44What are we doing?
14:45Oh, the biggest concert in Philadelphia history was the day after Live Aid when the Cocteau
14:51twins played a small club day.
14:54Goran Dragic sent Giannis home in the bubble.
14:56Like, what are we doing here?
14:58The game after purple shirt game.
15:00He sent Giannis home in the bubble.
15:03Oh, you hate Giannis now.
15:04I love Giannis.
15:11I think it's hilarious that a man that giant is petrified of lizards.
15:16It is weird when you move down here, because I remember when I moved down here and you're
15:21like walking on a sidewalk or whatever, and they're just shooting back and forth, even
15:26the little ones.
15:26And you're like, what world am I living in?
15:29My, my first, um, college roommate was Jim Frivola, I think, or the ticket wizard.
15:35But I moved into an apartment with Jim Frivola and there was a lizard on the wall, a little
15:39one.
15:40And I was, I, I was standing on a table and he was from Florida all his life.
15:45And he's like, what's the, and I'm like, no, no, no.
15:47You like, you have to get that now.
15:50Like you have to like spray it with raid, do something.
15:53I can't concentrate if this lizard is going to be on the wall.
15:57Like takes a while, takes a minute, Giannis.
16:00I don't know.
16:01You go, go after the frogs, take them on the fan boat, Crowder.
16:04Yeah.
16:05We got to get Giannis going to South Florida, man.
16:07He's going to be here a long time.
16:09What I think the Giannis thing with the lizards, in all honesty, I think he had a lot going on
16:15in his head because he hadn't yet been given the seal of approval from Goran to wear number
16:20seven.
16:21So that probably was weighing on his, his psyche a lot.
16:24And then when that came through, he probably isn't as scared.
16:28Well, it came in late because he did the last switcheroo.
16:29So, you know, like he never talked about it, Goran, because we all thought he was wearing
16:3234 because the heat had an entire store filled with it.
16:35Two blunders by the heat that they never make.
16:38Was it a blunder?
16:40I mean, we're getting LeBron, dude.
16:42I don't know what you're like.
16:43Why are we upset about this?
16:45But why?
16:45Yeah.
16:45But why do you have that up there?
16:47Like how we're getting LeBron, you're kind of a YouTube star.
16:49How far in advance does one need to create a page for a live YouTube broadcast?
16:56If you know how to use YouTube, you'd imagine their social media for two hours if you wanted
17:01to like put a preview on it.
17:02But if it's an old person who doesn't know how to use YouTube, well, they're like Pat Riley
17:07put up the YouTube link.
17:08I do think this because everybody's making the joke.
17:10They think it's an intern.
17:11Right.
17:12I think it was Amy Ellisberg.
17:14No, I think I think what happens is they're like, hey, Bob, can you handle like, can you
17:19handle the YouTube stuff?
17:20He goes, oh, yeah, I got you.
17:22Why would you have Bob do this?
17:24I think it's kind of an important press conference.
17:26Why would you hand it off to Bob?
17:27Because I think because it's it was it came out that they were looking for a YouTube guy
17:32for like a month.
17:33So they don't have a YouTube guy, which means somebody had to be the YouTube guy.
17:38So this guy didn't work himself into the role.
17:40He's a janitor.
17:42You know, it's like when they tell a program director, hey, could you run our country station
17:46and our adult contemporary?
17:48It's like, sure.
17:50Right.
17:50You know, it's like you don't say, you know, it's like it's not like a really permission.
17:54You're just running two radio stations now.
17:56So it's asking put up the you maybe he's like, hey, when you're scouting, Keith, you're
18:00scouting the rookies.
18:01But can you also do my number two suspects, truthfully, in this scenario, Tobin would have
18:08to be coach Tony Fiorentino or crazy Andy, because a lot of people aren't visiting the
18:14store right now.
18:14So he's got a lot of free time on his hands.
18:16Right.
18:16Now that you mentioned it, it's 100 percent uptown day.
18:21Updale.
18:23It's either banana man or updale.
18:30Let's do headlines real quick because Zach Elb is going to join us.
18:33You're more than welcome to stick around for as long as you want today, Tobin.
18:36You can stick around for all four hours.
18:38If you will.
18:38I will say goodbye to you because I can only I can only stand your face for so long.
18:45I withdraw all my Goran slander.
18:49That's cool.
18:49The damage is done, though.
18:50Well, I would like to withdraw it.
18:52It can't be done.
18:52If I'll ask him if he forgives you.
18:54All right.
18:54Please don't don't tell him my name, though.
18:56And tell him I'd like I'd like a picture and an autograph.
19:00I'd like him to sign my hoodie.
19:02Ask him if he would sign my three piece suit.
19:11I think Goran made the YouTube page.
19:14He's like, I'll do anything around here.
19:16Let me know.
19:17Let me know.
19:18He's like, I can't believe you gave the hibachi job to Whiteside when I would have done that.
19:23Have you seen my onion volcano?
19:25He just walks around the Kaseya Center.
19:29He used to make onion volcanoes for Zoran all the time.
19:36Tobin is so mad.