- 5 weeks ago
Bart Scott joins Craig Carton on the Carton Show and breaks down what John Harbaugh brings to the Giants, why he believes Harbaugh's biggest benefit could simply be bringing competency and intensity to the organization, and whether the Giants have enough veteran leadership to establish a winning culture.
He also discusses Jaxson Dart, Tyrone Tracy Jr., Najee Harris, Isaiah Likely and what the Giants need to do to build a successful offense.
🔥 Bart Scott doesn't hold back on the Giants' culture, leadership and young stars!
He also discusses Jaxson Dart, Tyrone Tracy Jr., Najee Harris, Isaiah Likely and what the Giants need to do to build a successful offense.
🔥 Bart Scott doesn't hold back on the Giants' culture, leadership and young stars!
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00:00Hey, I just want to say a couple things.
00:02Lifelong Baltimore fan.
00:03I just wanted to thank Bart for all of his effort as a Raven.
00:06He was great to watch.
00:08And I got a chance to meet him one night at a bar across from MSG.
00:11He was doing a promotional thing.
00:13And we got, he told me great stories.
00:15And he talked to me about John Harbaugh.
00:17And he said he was not a big fan because he was only a special teams coach.
00:21I just wanted to get his take on that.
00:22Okay.
00:23Any truth to that?
00:24Well, when he got hired, of course, because we wanted Rex to get the job.
00:29Right.
00:29Because Rex had been the defensive coordinator when they fired Brian Billick.
00:33You know, we all went and went to bat for Rex.
00:36Yeah.
00:37And, you know, when Harbaugh came in, he had to learn.
00:40Right.
00:40You know, that's why when you talk about, like, when they talk about Harbaugh is going to change the culture
00:44here.
00:45Like, what I'm saying is I've never seen him build a culture.
00:48He inherited one.
00:50He inherited the culture.
00:50Right.
00:51So, like, defense, obviously.
00:52And you'll see Mentor have the same thing.
00:54Right.
00:55They're like, man, they're playing like the Ravens again.
00:56Because there's certain places that it's not negotiable.
01:00And it comes from the top up, but it comes all the way from the bottom down, too.
01:04It goes all the way to, like, our omelet guy, Manny.
01:07Like, Manny's still there.
01:09Baltimore's one of these places where when you go back there, it's going to be the same people.
01:12Yeah.
01:13It's not going to be a high turnaround because they develop.
01:16And they always have a farm system.
01:17So, it can go from Ozzie to Joe Ortiz to Phil Savage to Joe Douglas.
01:22All these guys can kind of come through because they learn the Raven way.
01:25But, you know, fundamentally, it's always going to be the same people there.
01:29Now, he comes here.
01:30And this is the first time.
01:31When he went to the Ravens, it was safe because you had a team that had a good team, good
01:38foundation, great leaders.
01:39Ray Lewis was there.
01:40You had foundational pieces there, right?
01:44You had Ed Reed.
01:45You had Haloti Nata.
01:46You had Terrell Suggs.
01:47You had Ray Lewis.
01:48Guys that didn't need coaching.
01:49Yeah.
01:49You had Marshall Yonda.
01:50You had all those guys.
01:51Joe Flacco had won the MVP and all that type of stuff.
01:54You drafted Lamar Jackson.
01:55That's Ozzie's last draft pick.
01:57But when he comes here, when I think about the Giants, I'm trying to figure out who's their leaders.
02:02Because last year, when the train fell off the tracks, nobody could pull it back.
02:08We thought Dexter Lawrence would be one of those guys.
02:09We thought Brian Burns would be one of those guys.
02:11But they couldn't find a way to pull together to kind of have, like, the young guy and say, hey,
02:16man, hey, youngster, this is how we do things.
02:18To be able to rein in Scattaboo.
02:20Right?
02:21And we'll see what happens with Scattaboo.
02:22Because I don't think Scattaboo is going to be around too long.
02:25He's lightning.
02:26He's lightning.
02:26They got pissed.
02:26I refer to him as Amy Winehouse.
02:28Yeah.
02:29He's going to be.
02:29He's going to be.
02:30He's burning.
02:31You're going to love him while he's doing it.
02:31Yeah.
02:32He's burning it at both ends.
02:33Right.
02:33And he don't get it.
02:34Right.
02:35Like, doubling down.
02:36Like, sometimes when you're so arrogant as a young person and you don't listen to the veterans, people that have
02:41been there, done that, like, doing the backflips, it's not about, it's the optics of it, too.
02:47And it's just not.
02:47Well, he also grew up in an Instagram era.
02:50Right?
02:50Where I want to be famous off the field also.
02:53He's going to be famous.
02:54The quarterback's got the same issue.
02:56He's going to be famous, but he's also going to be broke.
02:59Right.
02:59And there's nothing worse than being broke and famous.
03:01Exactly.
03:02The worst existence.
03:03Right.
03:03So, that's what I'm trying to explain.
03:04That's what people are trying to get through to him.
03:06First of all, you're in a position that has a very, very short shelf life.
03:09And the way you play makes that shelf life even shorter.
03:13Right.
03:13Like, he's trying to run like Ahmad Bradshaw.
03:15You know what I mean?
03:15Like, he's not turning down no fades.
03:17Right.
03:17He's going at everybody.
03:19And eventually, you're going to lose.
03:21Like, you may run, guys.
03:22Oh, we've seen that with Peyton Hillis.
03:24You know what I mean?
03:24If you go all the way back to Earl Campbell, guys, you can't continue to run around through
03:29everybody.
03:30Right.
03:30And you have to make sure that you take care of yourself.
03:32So, what do you think Harbaugh's biggest benefit to this team is going to be?
03:36Just competency?
03:37Well, I think he's an adult in the room.
03:40Right.
03:40He's a guy that's, like, people don't realize he's just a bit of a problem as, like, his
03:45brother Jim.
03:46Personality-wise.
03:47Yes.
03:47But he doesn't come off like that because he's not as quirky.
03:50Like, he's not as loquacious, like, outwitted.
03:53Right.
03:53Like, Jim, first of all, with the docker pants on, no matter if it's 195 degrees, with
03:58the Coke bottle glasses.
03:59Right.
03:59He's a little off, and you can see that he's off.
04:01Maybe it's because he actually played football and took some real hits.
04:04You know what I'm saying?
04:05Playing quarterback.
04:05Yes, he did.
04:05Yeah.
04:06And Harbaugh never played at the professional level.
04:08So, he may have a little couple more brain cells left.
04:11But he's just as intense.
04:13He's a huge competitor.
04:14I played against his father in college.
04:17And then his father's stone crazy, man.
04:20His father's the same way, right?
04:20His father, man.
04:21Like, his father came and addressed us.
04:24And you know when you're sitting in the front row and you start to see that white stuff
04:28build up?
04:29Ah, I hate that.
04:29And you know eventually he's going to move to the middle.
04:32And eventually he's going to fly out.
04:33So, you're waiting for it to come so it won't land on you somewhere.
04:36Yeah, the white spit part you're talking about.
04:38Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:38His father came in there throwing at the air like Trey from Boys in the Hood as well, man.
04:42I'm like, we got to fight, fight.
04:44They stone crazy.
04:45So, he's going to bring that intensity.
04:47And, you know, what you have to realize, and it's good that he has a young team because
04:53he's going to work the hell out of them.
04:55Yeah.
04:56It's a bunch of training camp than they had under Dable.
04:58Training camp and practice.
05:00Right.
05:00Like, he wanted to win preseason games.
05:02Oh, he doesn't.
05:02I think he won like 24 straight in Baltimore.
05:05Something crazy.
05:05Absolutely.
05:06Yeah.
05:06And the thing is the physicality and can this new generation endure the type of season
05:13that it's going to be to be that.
05:14But what that does do is that help you weed out the pretenders.
05:19Right.
05:19The guys that really don't like football because he's going to demand that you practice.
05:22And he's in a new way.
05:23Did you think when the Giants brought in Najee Harris after Tyron Tracy missed the block,
05:27that got Jackson Dart sacked, blindside sack, was there any part of you that said, my man's
05:33in trouble?
05:34Tracy?
05:35Yeah.
05:36Nah.
05:36Not, not, you're not scaring me with Najee Harris.
05:39I mean, he's coming off an injury.
05:40The Achilles, right.
05:41And he's a guy that fills himself a lot too, right?
05:44You know what I mean?
05:44He's a guy, but what they do is they have a stable of power backs.
05:48You know, you think about Greg Roman, you know, you know, Dan, what he did with Lamar
05:52Jackson, Dan, what he did with Colin Kaepernick, you know, Greg Roman goes all the way back
05:56as far as being able to be a run game coordinator.
05:58He goes all the way back to Jamal Lewis running for 2000 yards with Baltimore.
06:02Right.
06:02He, he's a guy that is a safant when it comes to like being able to draw up schemes against
06:07certain fronts.
06:07So they're going to need a stable of backs because it may be three, four yards of call
06:11or dust because this team isn't where they need to be yet.
06:14I mean, I don't know if Jackson Dart is sophisticated enough to kind of figure out how to go through
06:18his progressions when teams like double neighbors, it's going to, you know, Isaiah Lockett, he's
06:22going to have to be his outlet.
06:23He's going to be huge for him.
06:24He's going to be huge for him.
06:25Somebody that he can find that can win the 50-50 ball.
06:28It's like, you know, not going to let the ball get.
06:29I think it was the best signing they had, by the way.
06:32I think likely he's going to be a star here.
06:33It was.
06:34And, you know, he was, he even started the preseason game, the two third down conversions.
06:37Yeah.
06:37I know it's a nothing play.
06:39He's super crappy.
06:40But he's open.
06:40He makes the catch.
06:42Great hands.
06:43If I'm Jackson Dart, that's my best friend.
06:44Yeah.
06:45And, you know, in Baltimore, they're missing him already, you know, because Mark, Mark Andrews
06:49isn't really having a great camp and they're wishing that they had Isaiah Lockett because
06:52he gives you Travis Kelsey type of vibes where his ability to sit in zones, but he's also
06:57can stretch the field and he's a great football player.
06:59But Jackson Dart has to understand, he's not Hardball's guy.
07:04He has probably about this year, maybe next year, to prove that he can be a starting quarterback.
07:10Right.
07:10Or he's going to be one of these guys that came here and didn't look good and had a bunch
07:13of potential, but he may be gone.
07:16Wow.
07:17888-808-1019.
07:18Greg's in Matter Squad on the fan.
07:20Greg, what's cooking, buddy?
07:21Hey, how are you guys?
07:24Bart, you're a natural.
07:25You are that good.
07:28By the way, it's not his first time doing talk radio.
07:31You know, I watched the Jets team game, so I know that, but, you know, Wally Pip took
07:37a game off, too.
07:38I'm just saying.
07:39He's on a Disney cruise right now.
07:41I'll tell you what's funny.
07:43Before Big Mac went on vacation, he said out of curiosity, because I don't like doing shows
07:47alone.
07:47I never have.
07:48My ego's not that big, where I just want to sit here by myself and talk to myself.
07:52He goes, who are you bringing in?
07:54And I said, well, yesterday was Chris Christie.
07:57Yeah, yeah.
07:57He goes, okay.
07:58You know, long time, good friend of yours.
08:00Neighbor, by the way.
08:00Yeah.
08:01He goes, who's the after that?
08:03I go, Bart Scott, who I've worked with for a long, long time.
08:06And he goes, let me get this right.
08:08Every guy that's coming in is someone you wanted to work with before you worked with me.
08:14I go, pretty much.
08:15Just saying.
08:16Just saying.
08:17But Big Mac's my guy, though.
08:18He used to be my board op.
08:20Yes.
08:20Good dude.
08:22Sometimes you should go on vacation.
08:25He'll come back early.
08:26You guys bounce off each other well.
08:28So I'm going to say something, and you can say, yeah, okay, thanks, and hang up.
08:32You're good.
08:33Do you think that the other 29 owners somehow, some way, made a call on the Dodgers saying,
08:41hey, wait a minute, because they're pissing off the titans of industry, the baseball industry.
08:47You know, with this contracts and everything.
08:49You think somebody made a call on this guy and says, hey, how could this be?
08:53You know what I'm saying?
08:54No, but I understand where you're going.
08:57I'm going to come a little short of that.
08:59But I do think there's a group of owners that had no problem with Scuble, for example, going
09:06to L.A., would have no problem with the Dodgers winning their third straight, because that allows
09:11them to make the argument, it's bad for baseball.
09:15That's why we need a cap.
09:16So I'm not sure that they look to out him and get him indicted.
09:19Or take the Dodgers down, you know, like dismantle them a little bit.
09:23I think it's more about their own selfish interests.
09:25Yeah, because they're forcing them to have to spend their profit.
09:28Yeah.
09:28Right, and you talk about, like, this deferred money stuff, like, come on, man, how can you
09:33set up a contract like that?
09:35Yeah, and by the way, everybody's allowed to do it, and a couple, like you brought Bonilla,
09:39like, you know, the Wilpons did it 20 years ago, but no one ever did it at this level.
09:43At this level.
09:44Yeah, it's crazy.
09:45Like, he counts $2 million.
09:46$2 million.
09:47Yeah.
09:48$700 million contract.
09:50Yeah, now some might say that he wanted to keep that money away from the interpreter,
09:53because he's going to gamble it all the way.
09:55I wonder if that money is sitting in escrow somewhere.
09:57It has to.
09:58And is he getting the interest?
10:00Well, he doesn't get it.
10:02The Dodgers get it.
10:03How the hell do I don't get it?
10:04So they paid him, so they go, so, okay, 10 years.
10:07Let me just walk you through.
10:08That's why the Wilpons did the Bonilla deal.
10:10The Wilpons at the time were investing with the King of Ponzi scams.
10:14Yeah.
10:15Okay?
10:15Madoff.
10:16Yeah, Madoff.
10:16And the idea was, well, we take, let's make up numbers.
10:19If I take $50 million and I give it to Madoff, the return I'm going to get, I'm going to
10:26pay off Bonilla on interest alone.
10:28Right.
10:28So it doesn't cost me anything.
10:30So they thought.
10:30Turned out.
10:31That they're paying themselves, man.
10:34What's he?
10:34Yeah.
10:35But that's what I'm saying, though.
10:37So now when they do that, circumventing the salary cap, I would have a problem as a union.
10:44Right?
10:45Because that puts everybody else under pressure to take that same type of deal.
10:49To force you to get deferred money.
10:50Right.
10:50And you may not want deferred money.
10:51Exactly.
10:52You may have some bills up front that you've got to pay.
10:54You may not have a New Balance deal.
10:55You may not be the most popular person in Japan.
10:56And he's probably making $40 million off the field.
10:59In Japan.
10:59Exactly right.
11:00So I don't think owners reached out to the Southern District of the Feds and said, investigate Mark Walter.
11:06But if you look, I won't mind.
11:08Exactly.
11:08I think it's all more of that.
11:09Somebody was like, hey, you might want to check this out.
11:11By the way, I don't know if you guys are free next Wednesday, but you might want to take a
11:15look at when I was running his insurance business.
11:18Once he sold the Lakers, the jig is up.
11:22Right?
11:22Because it doesn't make sense.
11:24You don't buy the Lakers.
11:25To sell.
11:26That's what you keep for 30 years.
11:27If you're allegedly worth $100 billion, you don't sell the Lakers to make two.
11:35Because that's pocket change.
11:36It has no impact on you.
11:38What I want to know is, what's up with Jeannie and her family?
11:40Yeah, they apparently don't get along.
11:42Your father built this.
11:45It's like the show Succession, right?
11:47Yeah.
11:47You're not going to hold on to his legacy?
11:50Well, and then the thing came out, apparently, because the siblings don't like each other.
11:54And she was the governor of the Lakers, and she, I guess, dictates what happens.
11:59So while the other siblings are like, yeah, I'll take more money.
12:02Sell our share.
12:04I don't like the Lakers anyway.
12:05How much was their share?
12:06I think I want to say 17.8%.
12:09Okay.
12:10Of $12 billion.
12:11Yes.
12:12Yes.
12:13So.
12:15Google AI Google.
12:17That's like, it's almost $2 billion to the siblings.
12:20They're walking away for, well.
12:22So I think there's five of them total.
12:25So that's half a bill each?
12:28Yeah.
12:28Or I don't know.
12:29A quarter billion.
12:30Yeah.
12:31Probably about $250.
12:32Maybe even $350.
12:33Yeah.
12:33Hood math.
12:34Hood math.
12:34Yeah.
12:35It's more money than you and I could spend today.
12:37Hood math.
12:3817.8% and $12.5 billion.
12:41Yeah, so but how much is 70.8% of?
12:44$12 billion.
12:45Of $12.5 billion.
12:46Let me do the math on that.
12:47Well, we know with 20%.
12:49Just round it up to 20 and take a little off the top.
12:51So it's about $2.2 billion.
12:53Yeah.
12:53So it takes a little over.
12:54So about $400 million a kid.
12:55Yeah.
12:55Or adults, but yeah.
12:57Yeah.
12:58Makes me get mad at my father even more.
13:01Loser.
13:01See?
13:02I'm calling my dad.
13:03You couldn't start a business?
13:04I'm calling my dad right now so I can cut his ass out.
13:08You couldn't start a business, Pops.
13:10Right?
13:11Come on, dad.
13:12$400 million for being born.
13:13Why couldn't you be Frank Lucas?
13:15Yeah.
13:17Did your dad put that kind of sugar in his coffee, too?
13:20No.
13:20Use it, no.
13:22Why couldn't you be the plug?
13:25Right.
13:26You saw coffins?
13:31You have to see American Gangster to understand the reference there.
13:33Here's Jeff in Jersey on the fan.
13:37Jeff, what's going on?
13:39What's up, Craigie?
13:40Big time fan.
13:41Been listening to you a long time.
13:42And Bart, you're probably the best part of the CMB team, if anybody remembers that.
13:48We all we got!
13:50Well, I just left C.
13:52Did he call you or not?
13:54Yeah, he hit me up.
13:55We didn't talk again.
13:55We'll make sure.
13:56And Maggie's still around.
13:57Let me just ask you a question.
13:58When that thing went down, because I like to learn about people, what was the grace period
14:03in between you finding out that you're not going to do the show anymore and the C part
14:07of that show reaching out to you?
14:10Oh, it was like within a day and a half.
14:12A day and a half?
14:13But I got a text.
14:14It beat me like, yo, because I was walking into the studio.
14:18They was like, well, you know, you can go ahead and wear it.
14:20I was like, hey.
14:21You got the wrong guy.
14:22Yeah, I don't know who the hell you think you talked to.
14:24They fired Bart on the way into his job, which is crazy.
14:26I'm like, yo, I'm good.
14:27But was it a text or a call?
14:29It was a call.
14:30Okay.
14:30I respect the call.
14:32Because the text, I wouldn't have read it.
14:34And I would have went in.
14:35Like, did you going to make me work?
14:36No, no, no.
14:36I mean, Carlin.
14:37Did Carlin text you or call you?
14:40Yeah, yeah.
14:40Well, my boy John hit me up like, hey, man, you know,
14:44I have no problem with you finishing out your contract.
14:46You know what I'm saying?
14:46Man, you some type of crazy.
14:49You want me to work?
14:51I'm going to take these free chains.
14:52I'm walking around the streets with a golden nugget sign on my back.
14:56They're saying, hey, you can advertise on my back right now.
14:59Right now, I will work for food.
15:00You know what I'm saying?
15:01Like, I need to go find out what the next move is.
15:03What the hell are you talking about?
15:04You can come in.
15:06I can come in, work, and work.
15:08So I can look at everybody and I'm going to miss you.
15:09Hell no.
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