The Secret to Real Estate Wealth Without Quitting Your Job with Buck Joffrey

The Real Estate Investing Club

Join an active community of RE investors here: https://linktr.ee/gabepetersen  🏢 In this episode of The Real Estate Investing Club, Gabe Petersen sits down with Buck Joffrey, a value-add multifamily investor who has closed over $2 billion in real estate transactions and hosts the long-running Wealth Formula Podcast. Buck shares how he went from surgeon to multifamily investor, why passive real estate investing wins for busy professionals, and how AI is reshaping real estate.  FROM SURGEON TO MULTIFAMILY INVESTOR ➡️🏘️ Buck shares how growing up in a real estate family and reading Robert Kiyosaki's Cash Flow Quadrant pushed him into deploying capital into apartment complexes instead of chasing a traditional career. He explains why he launched Wealth Formula Podcast in 2014 and how 12 years of podcasting reshaped his investing career.  WHY PASSIVE MULTIFAMILY INVESTING WINS 💼 Gabe and Buck discuss why running real estate like a full-time business is not for everyone. Investing passively alongside experienced multifamily operators lets busy professionals diversify capital across multiple deals, reduce risk, and capture real estate returns without becoming a landlord.  TODAY'S MULTIFAMILY MARKET OPPORTUNITY 📉📈 Buck breaks down where the real opportunity is hiding in value-add multifamily right now. With liquidity tight and owners facing expiring bridge debt, distressed sellers are offering properties at 30-40% discounts compared to 2022 pricing, making this a rare window to buy.  WILL INTEREST RATES GO DOWN? 📊 Buck shares his contrarian thesis tying falling inflation directly to the deflationary impact of artificial intelligence. He explains why AI could be the biggest macro force driving rates lower and what that means for cap rates over the next few years.  HOW AI WILL CHANGE REAL ESTATE INVESTING 🤖🏠 The conversation shifts to how AI and robotics could transform construction costs, migration patterns, and the labor market tied to workforce housing. Buck gives his honest take on how close robots really are to impacting real estate development.  LESSONS FROM RISING INTEREST RATES 📚 Buck reflects on the pain multifamily investors felt when rates skyrocketed and explains why cap rate insurance became critical on floating rate bridge debt deals, along with keeping leverage modest and raising strong capital reserves.  #MultifamilyInvesting #RealEstateInvesting #PassiveIncome #ValueAddRealEstate #RealEstateMarket2026  Want to learn more about our guest? Connect here: https://www.instagram.com/wealth.formula/  Want to learn more about the REI Club Podcast, how to invest with Gabe at Kaizen, or join our community of active real estate investors on Skool? Visit the podcast website at https://www.therealestateinvestingclub.com or click here: https://linktr.ee/gabepetersen

Transcript

00:05all right we are back with another episode of the real estate investing club i hope you guys are

00:11having a great week great day wherever you are and whatever day it is for you it is friday on

00:18the podcast like always so we're bringing that good friday energy to you and we are in the start

00:23of spring it is beautiful outside my allergies are absolutely kicking my ass but other than that

00:29it is uh it's it's a great day it's a great day for a second reason too because we have

00:34buck joffrey

00:35with us on the show from wealth formula buck is a multi-family guy value add multi-family he's done

00:41over two billion in transactions he's the host of the wealth formula podcast and the author of seven

00:48secrets of eternal wealth so there is a lot of wisdom to uh to jump into here buck i'm excited

00:55to jump into it thanks for hopping on thanks for having me absolutely um i told you before we got

01:01on here we always like to start with stories we like to hear how people got to where they are

01:06um i know you have a good story so why don't you take us to the beginning of your story

01:10and tell us

01:10how you got here well my story's a little different gabe but i started out as a surgeon uh and

01:18you know

01:19just went through the usual uh a student things you know did well in high school did on college

01:26trying to figure out what to do ended up well i sort of just ended up in uh medical school

01:31and and

01:32surgery um real estate wise what happened was that you know i i uh first of all i come from

01:39a real

01:39estate family so you know the not that my dad was doing like the kind of stuff that we're doing

01:45with

01:45you know huge complexes and stuff but he was you know an immigrant who bought single family homes

01:51and you know that's kind of the way he made a living and uh didn't do well whenever he jumped

01:57into things like the stock market so when i uh started making some money um my natural inclination

02:02was to buy real estate so that's what i started doing and um you know i think i was also

02:09inspired

02:09quite a bit by a guy named uh robert kiyosaki i read a book called casual quadrant and uh you

02:16know

02:16i i really kind of got the idea about like well you know not only with my with with investing

02:22but

02:22just in general with my career you know of creating businesses rather than you know trying to get a job

02:28and that kind of thing so um you know and the next thing you know i'm you know i was

02:32podcasting and

02:34i started podcasting because there wasn't a whole lot of uh information for people like me back then

02:39where it seemed like i already was making some monies i wasn't trying to get out of uh a cubicle

02:45as they used to say all the time and i was just trying to figure out how to deploy capital

02:49so no one

02:49was really talking about talking to people like me so i just started a podcast and from there uh found

02:56like a a lot of people were interested in that kind of thing and uh you know started my own

03:02investor

03:02group from there and started buying large uh apartment complexes through that so that that's

03:07in a nutshell that's the story yeah and you were saying um you started your podcast in 2014 so it's

03:14been 12 years that is uh in you know in podcasts have been around for a long time but in

03:20real estate

03:21specific podcasts i feel like that's got to be one of the longest running podcasts out there um how has

03:27how has running that podcast uh affected your career your real estate career yeah um you know

03:33from your perspective well it shaped it entirely really i think gable and i started out i was buying

03:38my own apartment buildings right um nothing big six to eight units 12 units whatever and um i think

03:47for me what ended up happening is realizing that there was a lot of people in those high paying

03:52professional jobs that would like to get into real estate but you simply don't have the time

03:56resources um and frankly probably not a good idea for them to because it's like you know it's the kind

04:02of thing where um you know it it does require certain expertise it's not it's not as easy as it

04:10sounds

04:10uh in the books it's not just the math and so you know getting involved in in with professional

04:17operators and getting involved in something where you can essentially truly be passive and and kind

04:23of just look at it as an investment and get the benefits of real estate but not necessarily be a

04:28landlord um you know i think that that that really resonated with people so yeah yeah i've uh i've had

04:36quite a few people in my own life in my own circles um you know friends and family who aren't

04:40in real

04:41estate and they see what i'm doing and they approach me and they're like you know i want to i

04:44want to

04:45start investing in real estate i want to start buying i buy mobile home parks rv parks self-storage

04:49facilities so they you know some of them said i want to start buying self-storage facilities

04:53and my my advice always to them is like if unless you want to make this a business and unless

04:58you want

04:59to you know run it as a business it's going to take a lot of your time and if you

05:03want to do that great

05:04you know i'll help you but unless you if you don't want to if you want to maintain your your

05:09current

05:10career you know whatever whatever they're doing if you want to keep down that path then

05:14don't don't buy real estate don't buy real estate like i'm buying real estate because yeah it's a

05:18business you have to run it like a business and it's going to take a lot of your time instead

05:22invest in other people's deals that's the best way to be to get the benefits of real estate without

05:27having to build a business without having to put all of that time into each of those deals um and

05:33i

05:33feel like that's something that a lot of people don't realize when they start thinking about investing

05:37in real estate is that it does take time it's it's not something that is passive everybody says it's

05:42passive it's not passive at all it's like passive any other thing that it allows you to do is is

05:48diverse diversify a little bit more right like if you um you know if you've if you're a high paid

05:55professional and you want to buy something meaningful you might end up putting you know

06:00three four hundred half million dollars into one project and uh as opposed to being able to you know

06:06spread that across you know six to seven or eight deals that that mitigate risk as well

06:12and so i think it is just a really good opportunity for for people who've got full-time jobs and

06:18who

06:18want to get involved so yeah absolutely um so let's talk a bit about your own investing you've done a

06:26lot

06:26in the multi-family space and that's what you're currently focused on is value-add multi-family um what

06:31are you guys you know there's a lot of talk about how the market's changing interest rates yada yada

06:36yada what are you guys seeing right now as the opportunity i think the opportunity if you can

06:42is to unfortunately uh you know uh bathe in the the blood in the streets and you know that there's

06:50there's not a lot i mean at least from what we're doing there's not a lot available liquidity is very

06:56low

06:56still because you know if you're if you bought in 2022 and rates skyrocketed and and you know cap rates

07:03uh uh followed you know you're you're not really wanting to sell right now but if you want to if

07:08you

07:09the sellers are ones who have to sell and often we're seeing that really as a function of of debt

07:14right like expiring debt and so what's in what ends up happening is you've got great assets out there

07:21that have to get sold and you know routinely because of where the market's at when that happens

07:28you're getting 30 40 discounts compared to 2022 and so really honestly that is the focus right now

07:36is to say well whenever there's an opportunity to do that we're going to do that um you know and

07:42because if given rates right now if a deal works right now uh we anticipate that you know i mean

07:49it doesn't have to rates don't have to go down to for this deal to work but i anticipate rates

07:54will

07:54go down over the next couple years and that'll be even more headwinds for a good outcome i think the

08:00thing to the thing that's challenging right now is it's like the classic warren buffett situation about

08:05like people being um you know being fearful uh and when when they should be buying and and and you

08:12know the problem is people get on board when there's froth and there's no froth it's actually

08:17a market that's been completely beaten down and so you know there is some courage to to actually

08:24getting in right now and in some logical thinking that you know in two three years when when the

08:31market starts to get frothy again you want to be a net seller not a net you know you don't

08:35want to be

08:35a buyer in that and so if you want to position yourself you got to do it now yep um

08:41you mentioned

08:41rates going down i i've talked to i mean i've talked to obviously you know i run a podcast just

08:47like you know i talked about everybody across the board about rates um and the opinions seem to be

08:54equally dispersed like they're people think they'll go up they'll think they'll go down they

08:58look at history saying that we're actually even at seven percent or six percent we're still at a

09:04it's still historically a low interest rate um so why do you feel like rates will go down in the

09:10future do you what's kind of backing your opinion there well if you look there's a couple things

09:14first of all if you look at the trend before the into the iran conflict i mean every month

09:19those numbers are ticking down you know inflation numbers are ticking down that's really what i'm

09:24following right like what is it what's happening with inflation yeah rates are going to follow

09:28inflation and every month those numbers were ticking down if you look at the real-time values

09:33like truflation and things uh that that are uh that are following that in ncpi and core

09:40sort of drifting down as well um i think the major thing that you know and i think that's important

09:46for all investors real estate investors is to look at the broader macroeconomic uh situation and there's

09:53an elephant in the room and the elephant in the room is ai you know artificial intelligence is

09:58inherently massively deflationary and so i mean you hear kevin warsh the the new fed chair is coming in

10:06talking about this a lot already it ai makes things cheap right and ai ain't going anywhere it's just

10:13the beginning and so if you look at that situation you really have to you you can't help but know

10:21that there's deflationary forces coming and if deflationary forces are coming that that means rates

10:28go down and that's yeah that's that's the big thesis in my mind so yeah yeah and that that's another

10:35topic that i absolutely love getting into because it is it's just really interesting um you know i ask

10:41pretty much everybody on here how they feel real estate will be affected by ai um and there's so many

10:47different ways in terms of how it will affect it um you know even robotics and ai and and building

10:52houses without anybody going out there yeah what do you feel like the biggest impacts ai will have

10:58in the near term future let's say the next five years um on real estate on investing specifically

11:04yeah so you know i think um is gonna there's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be a lot

11:10of money

11:11made in markets across the board and with rates going down i think in the near term i think that

11:18is going

11:18to uh you know push down uh cap rates um and i do think that there's going to be some

11:25strong uh headwinds

11:27uh for all markets um and not headwinds tailwinds uh for all markets including real estate i think

11:34more money that's in the market lower rates uh means you know higher asset prices and so i think

11:40that in the short term that's it now i do think that there is a more long-term sort of

11:45um concern

11:47concern that that i think that's out there for us like you know we we focus on more working class

11:54um so you know the people who are working that right now necessarily aren't the victims of ai per se

12:03um those people are our tenants right um now if you're if you're into stuff where you've got

12:11accountants and cpas and things like that in it then that's a little bit different but that's not

12:15really our audience um i do think that i do worry a little bit uh what happens when robots

12:23you know and it sounds sort of like unreal you know it sounds like pie in the sky stuff i

12:27don't

12:27think it is you look at where tesla is going with with optimus and all that i think when these

12:32robots

12:33start really kind of coming in that's going to put a pressure on the labor market uh that i boy

12:41i don't

12:41know i don't know what happens at that point but i don't think i don't think that's happening in the

12:45next five years i think we're a little bit further out with robots starting to do the construction and

12:50all that kind of stuff so yeah yeah that's uh me and you know some some of the people that

12:55i um talk a

12:56lot with in real estate in my you know in my my partners and everything uh we always talk about

13:01how

13:02specifically robots and um by you know robots in conjunction with ai how that's going to be

13:07affecting construction costs um migration even between cities uh you know people i don't know

13:13there's uh you can project that pretty far uh and who knows what will actually happen but it's it's

13:19definitely interesting well at least you know people got to live somewhere and that's um that's

13:25not going to change because of ai that's not going to change because of robots yeah the concern is on

13:30what happens with rents and labor force and all that so yeah and zoning will still be a problem

13:36uh and so uh that's not going to change at all awesome um so in terms of i mean you

13:43guys have

13:43quite a large portfolio what have you felt like have been the uh the biggest hurdles in in your

13:49growing your portfolio from when you started to now what are the biggest light bulb moments you've had

13:54well i think i think the you know the pain that everybody felt we felt as well and um when

13:59when rates

14:00skyrocketed skyrocketed and you know you're you're in a situation where you're in value add and you know

14:06at that point it becomes a race between you know uh trying to get those that net operating income up

14:14um you know to to match what the the current cap rates are i think one of the things that

14:19uh was very

14:20helpful and i think is um something that's you know to to really think about in the future is

14:26is you know the uh cap rate insurance is is critically important like when you're doing

14:33bridge debt that kind of thing um when you're when you have floating rates because with value add you're

14:38you know you're typically doing floating rate bridge debt right like you're doing that because

14:43you're you don't want to get stuck in a 10-year um situations where you know you have a huge

14:49prepayment penalty to pay and so you know you typically avoid that but what you can do um is

14:58when you have bridge debt you can also tack on like three years of uh cap rate insurance so that

15:04you

15:04protect your you know you protect yourself against that kind of potential uh huge drift in in interest

15:11rates right now what happened in 2022 uh is i don't know i feel like that's almost like a once

15:21in a

15:21lifetime type thing right um just because it was post-covid and i don't think anybody anybody

15:28had actually underwritten for you know what 400 basis point increase in interest rates i mean no one

15:36can do that and so you know but i do think like just trying to think about the worst case

15:42scenario

15:42and trying to um trying to at least mitigate for that to a certain extent is is really important and

15:49i think we we learn a lot during that period yeah yeah that's something that i always come back to

15:55is um when i'm doing my underwriting is always account for the not the absolute worst case scenario

16:01because if you do that you're never going to get a bill done because numbers will just be thrown out

16:05but um account for as much uh risk mitigation as you possibly can because things always go wrong

16:11every single deal something goes wrong it could it's not you know it's probably not going to be

16:16catastrophic but your plan once it hits reality is going to change um and that happens in every deal

16:22and so you need to be able to have a cushion in there to account for those uh variables that

16:27you just

16:28you couldn't have seen something like covid nobody could have predicted covid but it happened and you

16:33have to adjust and if you did not have a buffer in your original underwriting for things to happen

16:38you might be you know um unfortunately having to sell at a loss i mean there's there's a few things

16:43you can do you can keep your leverage modest not go crazy with your leverage you can make sure you

16:50raise enough reserves um you know because i think that's really important a lot of deals were

16:55undercapitalized and then and then like i said cap rate insurance is a third part of that so yeah

17:01yeah that's what i mean that's one of the biggest lessons i've learned in my um career is having more

17:08capital reserves than i think i need yeah uh is just having cash on hand is so important it's something

17:15that i just didn't realize you know getting into this is is i might be buying a deal and it

17:21looks

17:21awesome on paper but if i don't have capital reserves to deal with issues that arise then it

17:26could you can get into sticky sticky water pretty quick yeah awesome man well hey i just took a peek

17:33at the clock it looks like we have run it down so it's time to jump into the quick question

17:37round

17:37are you ready yeah all right it starts with education it could be any form could be a book you've

17:42read

17:42movie you've seen conference you've been to anything like that i just need one or two recommendations

17:47one for general life wisdom and then one for real estate so general life wisdom um i think like you

17:54know going back to like think and grow rich uh i think is a you know it's a classic old

17:59book every

18:01every sort of self-help book since then has been based on that i think it's a good one to

18:07start for

18:08for mindset um so that's that in terms of real estate if people are starting out for the first time

18:14i mean i think reading you know that just just to get the basics and terminology you know kenny

18:20mcelroy's books you know on abc's of real estate and advance uh abc's advanced real estate those those

18:28books are really helpful um when you're first starting out so yeah for sure all right next question

18:34is for your younger self let's go back to the buck who is just getting started so many years ago

18:39go back

18:40to him look him in the eye give him one piece of advice moving forward move forward quickly

18:46i think anytime i've looked back at you know what i wish i had done differently it's always i wish

18:53i

18:54had done what i did but i wish i did it two years earlier and a lot of times what

18:58ends up happening is

18:59you you get an idea you think about it and you you stew on it for too long and then

19:04you realize how much

19:04time you wasted doing it so i think i think just movement is critically important yep yeah and it's

19:12funny you know you're going to be episode 670 something and i swear it's like 95 percent of the

19:18people i asked that question to they all say some version of i wish i got started sooner i wish

19:24i went

19:24harder i wish i didn't hesitate and it's stuff like that and uh it just goes to show like i

19:31feel like

19:32that is uh something that we all deal with is just not trusting enough yeah just just not pushing

19:39forward fast enough or starting or you know letting fear kind of kind of stop you in your tracks yeah

19:45um

19:46yeah and anytime we say that i always like to put it back to you anybody who's listening out listening

19:50out there if you haven't done your first deal if you've been consuming education consuming content

19:56and you're just preparing to get that deal done go get it done it doesn't matter what it is could

20:01be a

20:01piece of land could be a single family anything just get that first deal done get the ball rolling

20:07because you know 10 20 years down the road you're going to wish you started today versus tomorrow

20:13absolutely all right next question is about the u.s it's a big place there is a lot of opportunity

20:18out there give me the single metro you're most excited about investing in today um i i think that um

20:26i like the southeast and like the carolinas charlotte and that that area a lot i think uh

20:33you know i've i'm a big fan of like dfw but dfw's been kind of you know hit pretty bad

20:39there's a little

20:40bit of an oversupply problem um so right now i think like you know the charlotte area is a good

20:46one

20:47yeah yeah a lot of people that's uh that has been a consistent recommendation is that area um yeah what

20:53is what's specifically about charlotte i haven't looked a lot into charlotte i i don't invest on

20:57the east coast because the flight is too far but uh um what is it about charlotte that you like

21:02so

21:03much i think there's just like you know there's this quality of life issue there's a constant uh

21:07you know migration to the southeast especially from the northeast and you know there's a lot of um

21:15there's a lot of consistent business growth there jobs that are continuously moving into the area

21:22as you know um you know the biggest thing for any market at the end of the day is you

21:27know jobs and

21:28population growth and you know you also have to kind of take into consideration right now like where

21:34the oversupply and clut is and all that and charlotte had a little bit of too much building going on

21:39but

21:39it's you know it's getting absorbed pretty quickly and there's not a lot of new builds

21:43scheduled so got it yeah that makes sense all right next question is about finding deals it all

21:51starts with getting in contact with the seller and pending that purchase agreement so what is your

21:55favorite way to generate leads and find new deals well one of the advantages of of you know larger

22:01being involved with larger organizations is the deals often find you um you know like so with

22:09some of the things we're doing you know we we end up hearing about the opportunities before anybody

22:16else does because there's distress in the market and they know they're looking around for a seller to get

22:21something done quickly and so it's a little tricky thing uh because you have to have the skill and

22:27stuff in the first place to be in that position but you know if the deals find you a lot

22:32of times

22:32that's the best deal around so yep absolutely and that kind of goes back to uh i'd say networking

22:39keeping those relationships up because um it is crazy how deals just kind of they they always come

22:45from a place that i don't expect uh which makes me which you know you should yeah means that uh

22:50i

22:50should expect the unexpected for deals you know and right constantly it's just constantly talking

22:55with brokers constantly putting yourself out there having those conversations um showing people what

23:00you're doing and what you're about and uh then the deals will start coming to you

23:05um next question is lessons learned not every deal we get into goes the way we expect it in fact

23:10pretty much every single time something goes wrong and that's when we get to learn a lesson so what

23:15was a deal that went a little sideways for you and then what was the lesson you pulled from it

23:20well actually you know just going back to like the very first for every first deal i did on my

23:25own

23:26because i did do the sort of like read the books did the numbers that kind of thing and it

23:31was in

23:32chicago and i just did it by myself and um what i realized was you know there was this whole

23:38issue of

23:40of you know especially in smaller assets it's really easy to fudge those numbers right and um i think

23:47i probably could have done a lot more due diligence at the you know not just the numbers but i

23:54think

23:54really kind of dive more into the the actual property itself um and try to figure out what was

24:01going on there um i don't know exactly how you get i mean you you can do some things uh

24:08in terms of uh

24:09you know rent roll stuffing right like people when they're when they're selling sometimes they'll put a

24:14bunch of people in there and you know you you you think that you're getting something with a 90 occupancy

24:21or something like that but in reality uh that's that's not what's going on so i think you can legally

24:27do

24:27like you know some sort of extoppel type things you know and these things where you can actually

24:32um find out who's actually a real rent who's a real tenant and and all that kind of thing

24:39but i think in the big picture i think like it's not just the numbers you really have to walk

24:44it you

24:44have to really you know you have to really understand the property and you know try to figure out if

24:49if

24:50the numbers match what you're seeing so yeah yeah due diligence your due diligence checklist is one

24:56of the most important pieces of any deal and uh going through that checklist every single line

25:02item because um if you don't things things just pop up later and you're gonna like god damn it i

25:07wish

25:07i i wish i had seen that earlier um and that's the only way that you can really protect the

25:12downside

25:12is doing everything up front making sure you understand the property inside and out uh before you

25:18you know put that uh put that the money where your mouth is there right all right and that leads

25:24us to

25:24the second to last question um this one is we've already kind of touched on it a bit but this

25:29one's about ai so i want to ask um how are you implementing ai in your business today

25:36anywhere and everywhere i can you know um even with you know my podcast i rely on it heavily

25:43um you know research on people who come on i you know and i primarily interview economists and

25:50you know most people like that and and when i do i you know it would have taken me a

25:56long time

25:57it used to take me a long time to do all the research and reading on these people and now

26:02we

26:02just want to plug in who they are and and learn everything that's important about them within

26:06minutes and so that's huge on the real estate side you know it's like it's like the downsizing of

26:15all of the the different parts the team right i mean you can do a lot more with underwriting you

26:22don't need as many analysts you don't need um you know accounting wise you can you can automate a lot

26:30of this through ai um so again i think it's you know a lot of those things that that are

26:36redundant

26:36activity things that you do over and over that don't require human touch i think we're looking at

26:43every opportunity there to to to uh to use ai yeah yeah i feel like ai also um it it

26:50helps you

26:51get more it helps your team contribute more um to the business because it empowers them to really

26:58you know do things that they otherwise would not have been able to do right um and i've you know

27:02even

27:03from the the very you know most basic role to the most advanced uh just being able to access

27:08something like chat gbt or clod is uh is such a big um yeah game changer one thing that i'm

27:15not

27:15i'm not there yet but i'm excited for is being able to use ai voice um in leasing um frequencies

27:23that kind of thing i uh i don't trust it quite yet but once it gets there i'm excited to

27:28use that in

27:30the business yeah for sure all right that leads us to the very last question this is for the listeners

27:36you've given us a lot to think about i'm sure people want to reach out get in contact with you

27:40is a two-parter where can they find you and then what can they expect when they reach out

27:44yeah so um you know the podcast it's pretty much anywhere you can find podcasts called wealth

27:50formula podcast you go to wealthformula.com as well and you can reach out to me through there

27:55or any any number of things now the podcast itself again you know i think uh if people listen really

28:02it's it's um it's it's not entirely real estate focus i think it's just sort of personal finance

28:11macroeconomics it's just really if people want to get the big picture of what's going on in the world

28:16and how an investor should be thinking about things within it so perfect and i'll put that link in the

28:23show notes so if you guys want to reach out to buck or listen to his podcast all you got

28:26to do is click

28:27a little more in the description it'll pull down that full description and in there you can find

28:31bucks links all right man that wraps it up thank you very much for hopping on the show thanks for

28:36having me gabe absolutely for everybody who's with us today thank you guys for showing up you are the

28:42reason we do this so if you guys have any questions reach out to me gabe at the realestateinvestingclub.com

28:46if you guys want to support the show just leave us a comment review anything like that

28:50other than that i hope you guys have a great week keep rocking real estate and i look forward to

28:55seeing you on the next episode

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