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00:02I always loved that feeling, that anticipation, that giddiness, like, oh, I know we're going to have a good time,
00:08we're going to laugh, but I know they're going to get me and I'm going to be scared. And I
00:11miss that excitement, you know, like where the horror aims to delight you, like you're going to have a good
00:18time and you're going to laugh, but you're kind of covering your eyes, like, oh, are they going to get
00:22me with a joke or are they going to get me with a scare?
00:24Like that, I've always wanted to capture that feeling my whole career. And I feel like with this show, I
00:30feel like hopefully that's the experience.
00:42Oh, my Alfred, I loved him so much.
00:47Old boyfriend?
00:48Yes, but he got bit by an animal and became that animal.
00:54Oh, this was a thrill.
00:56Keith Martin, he made a pass.
01:01Oh, my first day as a secretary to the mayor, Howard the Coward.
01:07He was a decent man.
01:09I was surprised when he left, but people get scared.
01:13He made a pass.
01:15Oh, Pastor Roberts, what a gem.
01:19He was like a father to me.
01:20Please don't tell me he made a pass.
01:22Oh, no, don't be silly.
01:25Of course not.
01:27Oh, you know what?
01:29You're right.
01:29He did make a pass.
01:32So did she.
01:37Welcome to Behind the Lens today.
01:39She's having quite a year.
01:41Yes, she is.
01:4319 nominations for Widow's Bay, the show that she created, is executive producer on, writes, does all of that.
01:52And she's had quite a career before this.
01:54We're going to talk about all of that on today's Behind the Lens.
01:57So please welcome Katie Dippold.
01:59Hi.
01:59Thank you for having me.
02:01And congratulations.
02:02Wow.
02:03That show just snuck up on us right at the end of the season.
02:09Yes.
02:09On Apple, sort of, you know, came on the air.
02:12And all of a sudden, you know, it just caught on like wildfire.
02:17Yeah, I'm happy that it turned out that way.
02:20I prefer that.
02:21Did you have your doubts?
02:23Honestly, no.
02:24Like, I felt proud of the work.
02:26But, I mean, I just, like, you never know how something's going to go.
02:30I don't think you can ever predict how people are going to react to something, if they're in the mood
02:34for it or what.
02:35So I really didn't know.
02:37And it is a different show.
02:39It's a comedy, horror, all kinds of elements to it.
02:45A friend of mine, Kay Callen, is in it.
02:48She's wonderful.
02:49She plays Ruth.
02:50Amazing.
02:51And we wrote a little note to her congratulating her on that fantastic season finale episode where I was so
02:58happy to see her get this kind of a role.
03:00And she just wrote back and said, it's so nice to be a part of a hot show.
03:04Oh, she's incredible.
03:07What's so funny about the show is everyone's playing younger.
03:10Like, she's 84.
03:11She's 84, I know.
03:12She's 90 in real life.
03:13I know.
03:14And the show, and she says she's 84, and I go, wow, she's getting the younger roles now.
03:19I know.
03:19It's amazing.
03:20I wish I had realized it at the time.
03:22I would have leaned into it.
03:23But, God, she's so smart and so sharp.
03:26Like, she's incredible.
03:27I'm going to talk to you about the entire cast here in a minute.
03:32But, you know, this show is so unique.
03:35It's so unique even among the other nominees for Best Comedy Series, too.
03:41I'm hard-pressed to label it as a comedy.
03:45You know, it's really unfair to say this is a comedy, this is a drama, you know, because one is
03:51a half hour, one is an hour, and other things.
03:54You know, the bear is, you know, what's that?
03:57It's all these elements.
03:58They're character-driven shows.
04:01Right.
04:01And they're about people.
04:04Right, right, right.
04:05Yes.
04:05They're not a genre, in other words.
04:08Yeah.
04:08I feel like a lot of the comedy in the show comes from character.
04:13Right.
04:13Or then there's broader stuff like Old Widow's Bay lore, history.
04:18You can get, like, bigger jokes than that.
04:20And then I think the part of me that, it's interesting, it's a weird mix of genres, but the part
04:26of me that feels comedy is, like, there's so much time spent thinking of comedic sequences, like the genealogy chart
04:36scene in 109.
04:37Do you know what I mean?
04:37I was just going to bring that up.
04:39I laughed out loud through that whole thing.
04:41I'm so glad.
04:41And thanks also to Dale Dickey, another Emmy nominee here, another person who I've known through many things and interviewed
04:49her a few times.
04:50It's so great to see her get her due, too.
04:53Yeah, she's amazing.
04:53And she's so funny in that scene where going through all those charts and things.
04:59I mean, she had to memorize that entire thing.
05:02Really?
05:03Yes.
05:03Oh, wow.
05:03It's crazy.
05:04And, like, that sequence ruined so many people's lives.
05:08Like, the writer's room spent so much time on it, the props department figuring out the projector.
05:12And then on the day, the projector thing was flipped upside down, so she couldn't really follow the charts.
05:19So it was just all from her memory, which blows my mind.
05:22Oh, my God.
05:22That's really impressive.
05:24Yeah.
05:24You can't beat experience.
05:26No, no.
05:27In this business.
05:28Yes.
05:30You have people like, as I mentioned, Kay Callan, Dale Dickey, the wonderful Stephen Root, you know, who's so good
05:39in everything and here, you know, to put them all together with Cato Flynn and, of course, Matthew Reese and
05:45on and on in this cast.
05:47They're all, like, incredible dramatic actors, but I think sometimes I feel like we talk about, you know, they're just
05:57playing the truth of the scene, and that's something, like, I think Hero articulated very well to them.
06:03Like, you're just, you're, for your purposes, you're in a drama.
06:06Like, you're playing the truth of the scene.
06:08Like, don't worry about being funny.
06:09But they are all naturally funny and have great comedic timing, which I don't think, I think you either have
06:17it or you don't.
06:18And I think it's very rare to have it as well as they do.
06:20So it's not just that they're great dramatic actors.
06:23Like, there's something else going on, you know?
06:25It's not even comedic timing.
06:28They just are.
06:29They're not playing the comedy.
06:31Yes.
06:31And that's the most important thing here is they're just playing it, and what comes out of it is naturally
06:38funny.
06:38It's human, the human condition, as it is.
06:42Yeah, yes.
06:42And, like, even, like, Kate O'Flynn, I just think is a genius.
06:46And just the way she kind of huffs and puffs around, like there's a Muppet-like way she moves that
06:53I just find so funny I've never seen before.
06:56Yeah, it's great.
06:56She had a wonderful episode where she's trying to throw a party and get people to come to it.
07:01And just through that whole episode, which was her, she owned Lock, Stock, and Barrel, was just a master class
07:09in watching somebody do that kind of a role.
07:12And I didn't, I think because we had written it before she was cast, and so it's, we, like, talked
07:19about it in the room.
07:20Like, it's just going to be, it's going to seem strange, episode four, to suddenly follow this character that's just
07:26been on the sidelines.
07:27Like, what's that going to feel like?
07:28But luckily with Kate, you know, it really, she just makes it work.
07:32It's amazing.
07:33So, you, I should mention some of your very distinguished credits or fun credits.
07:40The Heat, great movie.
07:42Sandra Bullock and, you know, The Haunted Mansion, Ghostbusters, the all-female version of Ghostbusters.
07:53Parks and Recreation, you worked on for several years as a writer.
07:57I mean, my God, as an actor, a sketch comedy, MAD TV, Late Night with Conan O'Brien.
08:05I mean, you've done it.
08:06I was an intern at Conan.
08:07You were an intern?
08:08Like, I should say, yes.
08:09You know who else was an intern there at one time?
08:13John Krasinski.
08:14Yes, there's a couple.
08:15I think, like, Ellie Kemper and Mindy Kaling.
08:17There's a lot of people.
08:18Yeah.
08:18We have a real list of people that started there.
08:20What was that like then?
08:22Oh, I loved it so much.
08:25It was, like, in 30 Rock, and I went to school at Rutgers so I could take the train in
08:29a couple
08:29days a week for it, and just, it was the best, like, just to watch those writers work, and
08:34you could watch on the monitor Conan talking in rehearsals, and you could, it was like going
08:40to comedy school, because you could see him say things like, could we make this, you know,
08:44five-line joke, a two-line joke, like, just, like, seeing how they worked was so valuable,
08:50and it was truly the nicest group of people, and I was like, oh, I don't know.
08:54I just, this is all I want to do.
08:55This is everything I want to do.
08:57And you did Upright Citizens Brigade, too.
09:00Yeah.
09:00Which, of course, Hacks, they all were part of that as well, and a lot of famous people
09:07coming out of that now.
09:08Yeah, it was a nice, like, when I started, it was truly just, like, a basement theater,
09:12and just, like, just anyone that goes to New York to do improv is, like, a slightly stranger
09:20person than you'd usually meet, and I meet that in the best possible way.
09:24Right.
09:24Like, they weren't looking to be stars, you know what I mean?
09:27They just wanted to do improv in New York City, and so it was a great, it was a nice
09:32community.
09:33It was really just doing weird shows, and, like, late at night, and it was a, that was
09:38a really fun time.
09:39Is that what prepared you for this, now that you're a showrunner, and executive producer,
09:43and creator of shows yourself, and working on this, coming out of improv like that?
09:49It definitely helps, I have to say, because I remember the first, like, my level one class
09:55show at UCB.
09:57Like, I went to a Barnes & Noble nearby, and I was, like, throwing up in the bathroom.
10:01I was so nervous for what was going to be five people in the audience, but I was just
10:06terrified, but I think doing improv for so long, it's been, like, 20 years, and, like,
10:12now, I don't even, like, look in the mirror before I do an improv show.
10:17Do you know what I mean?
10:18Like, if I, like, see how I look, I'm just like, yeah, okay.
10:20Like, I'm just not, and it's, to go from that level of terror to that, it does help,
10:25it just feel a little bit more at ease, especially as an anxious person.
10:29Like, it just makes it a little bit easier.
10:32All through this journey, it was very impressive.
10:34I mean, just in feature films alone.
10:37It is interesting to me that you did the remake of Haunted Mansion.
10:40Yeah.
10:41Because there is another mix of comedy and horror and all of that.
10:44Yes, yes.
10:45It seems to be a part of your resume.
10:48I feel like this has been something I've been trying to do in some way or another for a long
10:53time.
10:54Yeah.
10:55This show has been percolating for 18 years.
10:59Yes.
11:00I mean, you get 19 nominations.
11:02That's pretty one nomination for each year you've thought about this show.
11:05Yeah, you're right.
11:06That's the way you're looking at it, yeah.
11:08It's a long time to sit with a concept that you wanted to make.
11:12But even when you were doing Parks and Rec and working on that show, you were, you actually,
11:19didn't you get the Parks and Rec show because of Widow's Bay somehow?
11:23Exactly.
11:24It was a Widow's Bay spec, and it was a bit different.
11:27So a spec is a script that you write that's not been commissioned.
11:31Exactly.
11:32Yeah.
11:32And it's just like a sample of your writing for the show you're trying to work on.
11:36And so Mike Schur read it and hired me off of that.
11:41And, yeah, it was different.
11:43But I just couldn't stop thinking about it.
11:45Like, I just always, I just kept revisiting it.
11:48Like, I always say, it was like my version of my novel on the side.
11:51Right.
11:52And I would just write in a notebook any time I was on the East Coast.
11:55And I just kept thinking about it, thinking about it.
11:57And TV just changed a lot over the years.
11:59Mm-hmm.
12:00And in a way that made it feel like the right time to do this.
12:03And so, yeah.
12:04How different from that script, obviously everything evolves, particularly over 18 years,
12:12from that to what we are seeing on Apple?
12:15You know, Patricia and Loftus are in the original script.
12:19And I think Wick is not in it.
12:22You know, I don't know if, no, I think Rosemary's in the original one.
12:26It's just like, I think it felt more like your classic network TV show, which can be great.
12:34But I think for this, I really wanted the horror, I really, to feel scary.
12:39And the tensions to be real and really go in surprising directions.
12:42And I don't think you would have felt any real tension from that version.
12:46Right.
12:47It's interesting, too, because I've seen a lot of what you might label as horror comedy.
12:52Going back to Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein and all of those things.
12:57TV, you mentioned Adam's Family, The Munsters.
13:00There was a period there where it was sort of popular to do this kind of thing.
13:04And then What We Do in the Shadows, which was brilliant in its own right, too.
13:09This is not any of that.
13:11You know, this is genuine horror mixed in with each episode, almost.
13:17It seems like we're going to get a really strong dose of that.
13:21Yes.
13:22I always wanted this feeling of, I talk about this a lot, but like I, as a kid, once a
13:27year,
13:27we'd go to the Jersey Shore, Long Branch, New Jersey boardwalk,
13:31and there was this haunted house that was, like, too much.
13:34It was like, it needed to be shut down.
13:36I think it eventually burned down.
13:38But, you know.
13:41Anyways, but it was a great time when it was open.
13:44And I was way too young for it, but I always loved that feeling, that anticipation,
13:48that giddiness, like, oh, I know we're going to have a good time, we're going to laugh,
13:52but I know they're going to get me and I'm going to be scared.
13:54And I missed that excitement, you know, like, where the horror aims to delight you.
14:01Like, you're going to have a good time and you're going to laugh,
14:03but you're kind of covering your eyes.
14:05Like, oh, are they going to get me with a joke or are they going to get me with a
14:07scare?
14:08Like, I've always wanted to capture that feeling my whole career.
14:12And I feel like with this show, I feel like, hopefully, that's the experience for people.
14:17I think it's on the precipice of a new golden age of horror.
14:22If you look at what we've been seeing lately that has gained acceptance,
14:27whereas, you know, in the Academy Awards, Weapons won Best Supporting Actress for Amy Madigan,
14:34playing an out-and-out horror character, just amazing.
14:37And that never happened much before.
14:41You know, they sort of dismissed it and things like that.
14:43And now Obsession and Backrooms and Smart Horror.
14:47And I'm going to put Widow's Bay right in that line.
14:50If somebody's writing a trend piece, it belongs there because it's part of this.
14:55Well, that's very flattering because that's a great group.
14:58It is.
14:59Are you just naturally a big horror fan of these films?
15:02Like, oh, God, like, first and foremost, I always loved horror movies the most,
15:06even though I've been a comedy writer, but I love horror movies.
15:09Yeah, what's your inspirations?
15:11What's your favorites?
15:12I think for this, we talked about Jaws a lot and Halloween.
15:17And in general, my favorite movie is probably The Sounds of the Lambs.
15:23Oh, yeah.
15:23I just like that Hannibal escape sequence.
15:26There's like nothing scarier to me than that.
15:28They spend the whole movie talking about, thank God this guy is trapped in this cell that he can't get
15:33out.
15:34Yeah.
15:34And then when he finally gets out, it's just, oh, I don't really scare easily anymore
15:39because I'm more delighted by it.
15:41You know how the sausage is made.
15:43I just like, when I see it, it's like a great magic, to me it's like a great magic trick
15:47pulled off.
15:47So, like, you know what I mean?
15:49But that sequence to this day always terrifies me.
15:53It's amazing the impact Hannibal Lecter had in that movie, considering he had about 19 minutes of screen time.
16:02One lead actor, best actor for Anthony Hopkins.
16:06And it's just lived on.
16:10It is truly terrifying still when you think about it.
16:14But it was done in a limited amount of time.
16:16Which Widow's Bay, in your sequences that you have there, they're so vivid.
16:23Vividly shot, very cinematic, but, you know, they're just a part of the show.
16:28Yeah.
16:28I mean, we had a great team.
16:30We had, you know, Hero, Mariah directed five episodes.
16:34Can't go wrong there.
16:35No, not at all.
16:35And we had great directors coming in, like Sam Donovan and Andy Young and Ty West.
16:42And, like, our cinematographer, Christian Sprenger and Cody Jacobs, both wonderful.
16:47They both have, like, a really great cinematic eye.
16:51But Christian has a comedy background, which is perfect for this, you know.
16:56So, yeah, it was a great group.
16:58But it's interesting, too, on a television show, too, where the director's not doing all of it.
17:05You're bringing in different directors, but you want to keep the style there, absolute.
17:11And so a lot of directors just go in and copy the style and things.
17:14But here it feels so cinematic to me, this show, that that can't be like the formula.
17:21You are hiring people who have visions of their own, I guess.
17:25Yeah, I mean, so, and that was really nice.
17:28And I don't know, but part of it is, okay, well, first having this team with Hero and Christian
17:34being able to talk to the directors about the way they shoot things is incredibly useful.
17:40But also, like, you know, and I'm on set talking to them, you know.
17:47And I do think, though, coming up in features, or not coming up, but being in features as a writer,
17:56you are so wired to, you know, work with a director.
18:00Because, you know, in features, the writer doesn't really have any say.
18:03You know, you're just sort of, like, helping the director make the movie.
18:05Yeah.
18:06And so I don't know if that's made me, in a good way, doing TV makes me more collaborative.
18:15Because even if the roles have switched, I am so used to it that way.
18:20But also, it was wonderful because these directors that came in, they're all fantastic.
18:26And they have great ideas.
18:27And we want someone to bring something to it, you know, of their own.
18:32And it just led to the most, some of my favorite moments are from these, like, little collaborative
18:39discussions, like, I, if you, you know, like, in 104 and Beach Reads, when, this is probably
18:46my favorite example, but, like, I, in the script, we had it, so you don't realize what's
18:52happening until the very end, where she's giving a speech, you know, the shot of the
18:55mirror, when you see everyone with their mouths hanging open.
18:58Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:58So, originally, it was going to be, you wait the whole episode, she's giving her speech,
19:04and the camera just very quickly glimpses it.
19:08And it might be, you blink and you missed it kind of moment where their mouths are all
19:11hanging down.
19:12So, like, that was what we were planning on doing.
19:13And Sam Donovan really had this idea in his mind for a shot when they're all dancing.
19:19And then you catch their mouths open for a second there.
19:22And so, at first, it was like, which one is the one to do?
19:25And then he's like, well, how about I shoot both?
19:28And I was like, great.
19:29And then, and then in the edit, realizing, oh, you can do both of these.
19:33It's like the first initial scared, maybe you miss it.
19:36And then it just sort of lands more in the mirror.
19:38So, there's just moments like that working with these directors.
19:41That's definitely feature kind of thinking.
19:43Yeah.
19:44Making it in the editing room.
19:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:46Not so much in TV.
19:48But you are like the director.
19:50In television, the writer is king.
19:54Really, I will say that.
19:55Yeah.
19:56As opposed to movies where the director gets that attention.
20:01A lot of it, both the same.
20:03Look, I'm in the academy.
20:04I was a governor of the writer's branch.
20:06And I was dealing with writers.
20:07And I always felt like, wow, you know, we rule because, we rule because in television, you're the creator, showrunner,
20:19executive producer, and have so much say.
20:21You know, they're not going to go against you and say, I'm, you know, I'm the king of the set
20:27here.
20:27You know, I think, like, it's, I think if in TV, you're telling a longer story, and you know these
20:34characters so well, and you're chasing a certain feeling, and then hopefully you get, like, I got very lucky getting
20:42surrounded by the best group of people ever.
20:45And, you know, like, Hero brought on, producing it, like, I got to meet the editors he works with, and
20:53his DP and that crew.
20:56And so, I, it's, it was, and the production design team, like, everyone was just A++.
21:02It affects everything in this.
21:03It's feature film level, just on that, which is so great to see all these nominations come out of this
21:11show.
21:12It's also, the thing about the Emmy nominations that makes me very happy is, I feel like this show was
21:17a real risk.
21:19It was a real swing.
21:20Like, I think people are, it's so easy to say no to things, you know, especially something like this, you're
21:26like, you could read it and be like, what is this going to be?
21:29I don't know what this is going to be, you know, especially if you just read the pile, like, where
21:33is this going?
21:34Like, and so, everyone that signed on, I feel like they signed on knowing we could all be making a
21:41fool of ourselves.
21:42And so, that is what makes me the happiest about the nominations, you know, seeing that kind of risk these
21:48people tick.
21:49And I think it's got to be also, in addition to awards and stuff like that, to have somebody like
21:55Guillermo del Toro become a fan of the show.
22:00Yeah, I didn't mind that at all.
22:02I mean, here is a master in the horror genre, no question, in film, and he loves this thing.
22:10That was really nice, because I didn't know, yeah, I didn't know if, like, horror directors would be like, mm,
22:18you know, so that was a real thrill, I have to say.
22:21That's amazing.
22:22Yeah.
22:22And you worked with Paul Feig, who I love Paul Feig.
22:25Yeah, he's great.
22:26He's such a great guy.
22:26He's the best.
22:27And everything, and, you know, Ghostbusters.
22:30Yeah.
22:30Sort of in this, too, you know, and that was a huge risk, too, making it all female.
22:35And, boy, did you take it on the chin before the movie was even shot.
22:39Yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:39You know, people were going to decide, the Internet world out there was going to decide, this is, we're not
22:45into this, and all of that.
22:47Yeah, it was really, you know, it was really good.
22:51Oh, that's nice.
22:51Thank you for saying that.
22:53They were so great.
22:54Melissa McCarthy, who was so great in The Heat, too, and other things.
22:58They're so funny.
22:59Those four women, I just think, are just so funny.
23:02Amazing.
23:03Yeah, they're incredible.
23:05Are you, in season two, are you writing it now, or what's happening?
23:09Yes, I'm in the writer's room for season two.
23:11It's in the third week.
23:13Yeah, we're in it.
23:15We're in it.
23:16And, okay, so if you haven't seen the show, I really don't want to spoil it, but you should have
23:22seen it by now.
23:23So maybe we'll spoil it a little.
23:27How does this thing go on?
23:29I mean, is Ruth dead?
23:31All right, I'll just come out and say it.
23:33When season one has ended, Ruth is not dead.
23:38Okay.
23:39Because I got that impression, because she comes up and there's blood and everything, and he throws the thing into
23:46the ocean.
23:47Fair question.
23:49That moment to me, the brooch moment, was about he's going to do everything he can to hide the secret
23:57that Evans, the end of the bloodline.
23:59Right.
23:59And now he's also, it's a moment of acceptance.
24:02Like, this is his life now.
24:04He's not going to be leaving the island.
24:07And, you know, God help him if anyone ever finds out about this.
24:10All right.
24:11So Ruth is alive.
24:12I got that.
24:13All right.
24:13It's been bugging me.
24:15Yeah.
24:17And I'm so happy for Kay Callen.
24:19Yeah, yeah.
24:19She's going to get more work.
24:20But, so you're taking it right from the end of that and making it like, okay, continuing the story here,
24:29and where do we go?
24:30Yes, exactly.
24:31Did you always have this in mind when you got this show, that, okay, I know how it's going to
24:35end and all of that?
24:37I heard Shonda Rhimes say, she knows exactly, she said this decades ago now, Grey's Anatomy.
24:43She knew how it was going to end.
24:44The thing she didn't know was, it's never going to end.
24:47Oh, my God.
24:49That's incredible what she does.
24:51That many seasons, those many, it's amazing.
24:53God.
24:54But do you know how?
24:56Yeah, you know, in the pitch with Apple, I knew how season one was going to end.
25:01I didn't know, I knew his final dilemma.
25:03I knew he was going to find out that Ruth was at the end of the bloodline.
25:06And, because a lot of this for me is, I feel like with leaders, I don't know, just everything online
25:14today, when someone does something good, they announce it on the Internet.
25:20Do you know what I mean?
25:21Like, it's, it's like, what are, I don't know, it's just interesting to me, this leader, who is what he's
25:27doing behind the scenes, what he's willing to do for this town, and, like, and not being able to announce
25:34it to anyone, you know?
25:35Right.
25:35Is he going to, so what kind of hell is he willing to go through to protect these people and
25:39his son?
25:41And, but also the, I don't think everything, just wanting more nuance, like some decisions are really hard, you know?
25:48And wanting to really put him through it and be faced with this moral dilemma.
25:54And, and so I knew that was going to happen.
25:56I knew that, and I pitched to Apple the thing about Evan.
26:00And, but how exactly it was going to play out, you know, we figured out in the room, like the
26:05exact steps of it.
26:06Yeah, it's beautifully crafted.
26:09I mean, from writing to production, everything about it.
26:15So, people are, are hooked.
26:17The show is Widow's Bay.
26:19It's on Apple TV right now.
26:22You can watch the whole thing all at once.
26:24Then it's a real feature film.
26:26It's like, that would be a great way to see it.
26:30Anyway, thank you so much.
26:31Thank you so much.
26:32Best of luck with it going forward.
26:34I appreciate this.
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