00:01I cannot answer, sir, if invented, sir.
00:05Yan ang naging sagot ni Office of the Vice President Assistant Chief of Staff, Limuel Ortonio,
00:10ng tanongin ni Sen. Judge Irwin Tulfo kung saan galing o kung inimbento ang mga kakaibang pangalan
00:16na nakalista sa acknowledgement receipts kaugnay ng paggamit ng confidential funds.
00:22Sir, sino po mga nag-imbento at saan galing yung mga alias po na yun?
00:26Is that calling Colonel La Chica o sa grupo ninyo, sila Chippy McDonald, sila Pusa, Aso, etc.
00:37May sila Pagong. Who invented those?
00:40But as to the AR, sir, I cannot provide information, sir, because I do not have any participation
00:49in the implementation of the confidential active.
00:53Tinanong din ni Tulfo si Ortonio kung nabasa at naunawaan ba niya ang nilalaman ng COA-DVM Joint Circular No.
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01:02na nagtatakda sa paggamit at likwidasyon ng confidential funds.
01:06Ginoon Testigo, nabasa niyo po ba na mabuti at naintindihan ang nilalaman ng Joint Memorandum Circular, sir?
01:15Yes, Your Honor. I was able to read it and based on my understanding, I was able to understand the
01:22contents of the JMC.
01:24Nung kayo po ay pinadalahan na ng Notice of Disallowance ng COA, nabasa niyo rin po ba kung bakit kayo
01:32po pinadalahan na Notice of Disallowance
01:34at kailangan niyo pong sagutin yung kanilang AOM?
01:38Yes po, for the 2022 and 2022.
01:422022. So naintindihan po ninyo na sinasabi doon ng COA na while confidential funds allow for the payment of rewards
01:51to civil information,
01:53yung COA po has ruled that this cannot be structured as broad distribution of medicines, food, grocery packs, or household
02:02goods.
02:02And that kung ito po ay reward, dapat po specific targeted financial payouts lamang po at hindi po pwedeng ibili
02:10ng mga gamot o ng mga upuan bilang reward.
02:14Naintindihan niyo po ba yun?
02:16Sir, based on my understanding, sir, that is the initial observation coming from the COA and we were able to
02:26provide comment on that on our replies.
02:30Tinanong naman ni Sen. Judge Francis Kiko Pangilinan kung bakit gamot ang ipinamigay bilang reward sa mga informant
02:38at kung bakit hindi idinaan sa bidding ang pagbili ng mga gamot ng OVP.
02:42Bakit gamot? Would you know?
02:44Sir, I would not know, sir, but based, although based on the information that was shared to me by the
02:52security officer,
02:53those were the, parang yun po yung representation, or yun daw po yung inilapit ng mga informants or agents that
03:03they needed at the time.
03:05Pero hindi nyo alam kung talagang gamot ang binili.
03:08I would have no idea, sir, on the implementation, sir.
03:12You were head of the BA, di ba? Bids and Awards.
03:16Bids and Awards.
03:17So, familiar ka, pagka regular purchases, dapat may bidding ang medicines.
03:23Correct, sir.
03:24Di ba?
03:24Yes, sir.
03:25So, kung yun ang pinaliwanag sa iyo, sa loob ng siyam na buwan, hindi mo ba tinanong,
03:30o hindi mo ba sinita, na dapat pagka medicines, dapat bidding.
03:35Kasi ako ang head ng Bids and Awards. Alam ko yan, eh.
03:38Sir, I was only made aware of the concern regarding the medicines and food supplies, sir,
03:48when we received the AOM, which was around October of 2023, sir.
03:57So, that was parang almost nine months after the 2022 na implementation for the confidential funds.
04:06Okay. So, hindi mo alam kung bakit gamot, sinabi lang sa'yo, no?
04:14Pero bilang in charge ng financial services, yun na nga, hindi mo rin talaga alam kung yung 122 million ay
04:23gamot ang binili.
04:25For that purpose, sir, I would have no personal knowledge, sir.
04:29Samantala, tinalong ni Senator Judge Bam Aquino si Ortonio kung nagkaroon ba ng internal investigation ng OVP
04:36at kung pinatawag ba ang security officer na si Colonel Raymond Lachica
04:40kasunod ng mga kakaibang pangalan sa acknowledgement receipts ng confidential funds.
04:45On that matter, sir, I do not know, sir, if there is an instruction coming from the head of agency,
04:52sir.
04:53But personally, to me, sir, none, sir.
04:56Pinatawag niyo po ba ng inyong opisina at pina-explain kung nasaan ba itong peran to?
05:01Sir, I was only able to request na makausap si Colonel Lachica.
05:06Sinagot naman ni Aquino si Senator Judge Robin Padilla matapos itong banggitin ang paggamit noon
05:12ng kanyang tsuhin na si dating Sen. Benigno Ninoy Aquino Jr. ng alias.
05:18Tama po, si Ninoy Aquino po ang kanyang alias ay Marshall Bonifacio
05:22para makauwi po siya sa Pilipinas kung nasa Boston siya.
05:26Pero wala naman ho siyang confidential funds na wala ho siya sa mga AR na confidential funds.
05:32Nalilinawin ko lang ho.
05:33Tinanong din ni Ortonio kung ano ang employment status ni Colonel Raymond Lachica sa OVP.
05:38Ayon kay Ortonio, hindi empleyado ng OVP si Lachica sa kabila ng paghawak ng milyong pisong confidential funds.
05:46Matapos ang dalawang araw na pagharap sa impeachment court,
05:50natapos na ang direct at cross-examination,
05:53gayon din ang interjection ng mga Sen. Judge kay Ortonio.
05:57J.M. Thompson, para sa bayan.
