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Friday, July 11, 1913

Insurance Man Who Made Affidavit Says Conversation Was With Some Other Negro—Saw Conley at Station.

It was disclosed Thursday afternoon that William H. Mincey, the insurance agent who has made an affidavit to the effect that Jim Conley on the date of the Phagan murder drunkenly admitted that he had slain a girl had appeared at police headquarters during Conley's grilling and had positively failed to identify the negro.

This was told a Constitution reporter by Detective Harry Scott of the Pinkertons and Detective Chief Newport Lanford. The insurance agent, they declared, had come to the police station while Conley was being cross-examined and had asked to see the prisoner.

He wanted to see if he could identify Conley as the negro whom he had seen drunk at the corner of Electric and Carter streets on the afternoon of Saturday, April 26. He was admitted to Conley's presence. After asking the negro a number of questions pertaining to a conversation he had held with the black encountered at Electric and Carter streets, Mincey, the detectives assert, declared he could not identify the suspect.

He's not the man I saw, Lanford and Scott say the insurance man declared.

Conley was asked by Mincey on that date if he had not talked with him about the issuance of a life insurance policy. Conley denied having ever seen the man. Mincey, the detectives say, was positive in his declaration that Conley was not the negro with whom he had held the conversation.

Did Not Approach Detectives

Scott said to the reporter last night:

This man Mincey never made mention of Chief Lanford and me of having heard the negro say he had killed a girl that afternoon. He never offered us any such story. He was so absolutely sure of his failure to identify Conley that we paid no more attention to him or his story.

If we had heard any such story against Conley and could have verified it like the report says it is now verified we would have immediately sworn out a warrant charging him iwth [sic] Mary Phagan's murder. Neither Lanford nor I put credence in the report of Mincey's affidavit. It looks flimsy from every standpoint.

Mincey is said to have put into the hands of Frank's counsel a sworn statement declaring that on the afternoon of the Phagan muder [sic] he had encountered Jim Conley at the corner of Electric and Carter streets and had approached the negro on the subject of issuing life insurance.

Conley, his statement is said to state, was drinking and refused the insurance offer. I killed a girl this afternoon, he is reported with having answered, and I'm likely to be in jail tonight. He grew threatening the insurance man states and to avoid trouble Mincey walked away.

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00:00Conley not right man, says Mincy. The Atlanta Constitution. Friday, July 11th, 1913. Insurance
00:07man who made affidavit says conversation was with some other Negro saw Conley at station.
00:11It was disclosed Thursday afternoon that William H. Mincy, the insurance agent who has made an
00:16affidavit to the effect that Jim Conley on the date of the Fagan murder, drunkenly admitted that
00:21he had slain a girl had appeared at police headquarters during Conley's grilling and had
00:26positively failed to identify the Negro. This was told a Constitution reporter by Detective Harry
00:31Scott of the Pinkertons and Detective Chief Newport-Lanford. The insurance agent, they
00:36declared, had come to the police station while Conley was being cross-examined and had asked to
00:41see the prisoner. He wanted to see if he could identify Conley as the Negro whom he had seen
00:46drunk at the corner of Electric and Carter Streets on the afternoon of Saturday, April 26th. He was
00:52admitted to Conley's presence. After asking the Negro a number of questions pertaining to a
00:56conversation he had held with the black encountered at Electric and Carter Streets, Mincy, the detectives
01:02assert, declared he could not identify the suspect. He's not the man I saw, Lanford and Scott say,
01:08the insurance man declared. Conley was asked by Mincy on that date if he had not talked with him
01:13about the issuance of a life insurance policy. Conley denied having ever seen the man. Mincy,
01:18the detective say, was positive in his declaration that Conley was not the Negro with whom he had
01:23held the conversation, did not approach Detective Scott, said to the reporter last night,
01:28this man Mincy never made mention of Chief Lanford and me of having heard the Negro say he had killed
01:33a girl that afternoon. He never offered us any such story. He was so absolutely sure of his failure to
01:39identify Conley that we paid no more attention to him or his story. If we had heard any such story
01:45against Conley and could have verified it like the report says it is now verified, we would have
01:50immediately sworn out a warrant charging him with Mary Fagan's murder. Neither Lanford nor I put
01:56credence in the report of Mincy's affidavit. It looks flimsy from every standpoint. Mincy is said to
02:02have put into the hands of Frank's counsel a sworn statement declaring that on the afternoon of the
02:07Fagan muter he had encountered Jim Conley at the corner of Electric and Carter Streets and had
02:13approached the Negro on the subject of issuing life insurance. Conley, his statement is said to
02:18state, was drinking and refused the insurance offer. I killed a girl this afternoon. He is reported
02:23with having answered and I'm likely to be in jail tonight. He grew threatening the insurance man's
02:28states and to avoid trouble, Mincy walked away, investigating possible plant. It was announced
02:34from the Pinkerton offices last night that an investigation is being bade on the theory that
02:38the Mary Fagan pay envelope, which detectives Harry Scott and John Black located on the first floor
02:44of the pencil factory, was planted evidence. The envelope was found crumpled behind a radiator near
02:50the spot at which Conley is alleged to have sat on the first floor in waiting for his employer's
02:55summons to the second story. The nature of its evidence, it is said, is in direction of glue-it toward
03:01the Negro. Fight to free Lee attorney Bernard L. Chappell of Graham and Chappell, representing Newt Lee,
03:08the Negro night watchman of the National Pencil Facultry, stated last night that he had secured
03:13subpoena for 50 witnesses to appear at the hearing of the habeas corpus at 10 o'clock Saturday morning,
03:19and that on that occasion he would ask of the court an instanter order to bring Leo M. Frank and
03:24James
03:24Conley into court to testify about Lee. A subpoena deuces tecum has also been issued requiring
03:30Solixior General Hugh M. Dorsey to bring into court the grand jury docket and all papers referring to
03:36the case of Lee, who was bound over be the coroner's jury at the same time that Frank, afterwards indicted
03:41for the murder of Mary Fagan, was ordered held. Solicitor Dorsey, his assistant E. A. Stevens, Detective
03:48Chief Newport-Lanford, Pinkerton Detective Harry Scott, and City Detectives John Black and Starnes and
03:54Campbell are also named in subpoenas. In addition to these, Lee's attorneys have had subpoenas issued for
03:59E. F. Holloway, day watchman at the factory, and for L. H. Beck, foreman of the grand jury,
04:05and for the foreman of the present grand jury, and for a number of others to be present.
04:09The fight will be made to free Lee on the grounds that he has not been indicted by two grand
04:14juries,
04:15and that there is no legal reason for holding him further. Fingerprints may fix guilt. Mary Fagan's
04:21mesh bag pocketbook, the one she carried to the pencil factory on the day of her tragic disappearance,
04:26has been found on the scene of her murder, and fingerprints that are said to be lodged on its
04:31surface are expected to reveal the murderer. It was rumored around police headquarters Thursday
04:36afternoon. Secrecy as impenetrable as that thrown around any phase of the investigation has been
04:41woven about this latest discovery. No one connected with the case will talk. Few deny, however, that the
04:47bag has been found. The report prevalent around headquarters is that the bag was found about the
04:52same time of the envelope discovery. It has been kept secret, it is said, because of the reported
04:57success of Bertillon experts in discerning fingerprints on its surface. Bertillon expert L. M. Fletcher of
05:04the United States government service, it is reported, made the fingerprint examination. Chief Lanford would
05:09not commit himself, and neither would Solicitor Dorsey. Chief Beavers maintained the same attitude of
05:14silence that has been characteristic of him during the entire Fagan investigation. Other than the rumor
05:20which came from responsible source, reporters could gain no further proof of the reported discovery.
05:26Bertillon experts who examined the pay envelope, it is stated, have been unable to find fingerprints
05:32thereon. Only one side of the envelope was discovered, the lower side had been torn away.
05:38This condition of the clue has added mystery to its connection with the case.
05:41various

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