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00:00Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
00:51Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
01:24Wszystkie prawa zastrzeżone.
01:27And Hungary says it's met the conditions to unlock billions in EU funding.
01:33On hold for years due to democratic backsliding by the previous administration,
01:38around 10 billion euros could now soon be released.
01:42The EU Council President, Antonio Costa, will travel to Budapest tomorrow.
01:46But first, to Ireland, where EU defence ministers are meeting today amid an escalation of hybrid war attacks across the
01:54continent.
01:54Ministers are due to discuss increased threat levels on the continent linked to Russia's war in Ukraine.
02:00And their talks come just as a massive Russian missile and drone attack struck Kiev last night, killing four and
02:06wounding dozens.
02:07Our correspondent Shona Murray is in Dublin and joins me now.
02:11Shona, good morning.
02:12Look, the last few weeks have seen an upsurge in these attacks.
02:15Just tell us more.
02:18That's right, Maeve.
02:19That's certainly the backdrop of this meeting here in Ireland this week.
02:22We saw a few weeks ago a U.S. intelligence assessment saying that the Kremlin may plan to attack NATO
02:31territory in a limited way in order to test NATO resolve.
02:34Then, as you mentioned there, we had John Radcliffe, the head of the CIA, visiting Moscow last week,
02:39which is emerging as he told the Kremlin and Putin not to attack NATO territory.
02:44Donald Trump in the last few hours has tried to play this down, saying this is a routine visit.
02:48It is not a routine visit for the head of the CIA to visit the Kremlin.
02:52The last time that actually happened was under Biden when they tried to persuade Putin not to attack Ukraine in
02:58the full-scale invasion.
02:59Then, in addition to that, of course, Maeve, we've seen a major surge, a significant surge in hybrid activity,
03:05non-kinetic normally all across Europe over the past year, and in particular the last few months,
03:09mainly drone incursions into places like Romania and other parts of the Baltics.
03:13But just a few weeks ago, at the start of August,
03:16German authorities intercepted an explosive-laden drone in Leipzig Airport.
03:21Now, this was military-grade explosives.
03:23There was three drones in total.
03:25The German Chancellor, Friedrich Merz, in the last few days,
03:28has said that he will formally attribute this to the Kremlin.
03:31That's the first time that's ever happened,
03:32because these attacks normally tend to be sort of below the radar and grey area,
03:37sort of a grey zone, so it's hard to apply attribution.
03:40But we're expecting over the next few days for Friedrich Merz to do that.
03:43That will be a real topic of conversation here in Ireland today and over the next few days.
03:48So I caught up with the Swedish Foreign Affairs Minister, Maria Malmour-Stanegard,
03:52and I asked her about this.
03:53I really don't like the term hybrid threat because it sounds like an environmentally friendly car
04:01when it's something completely different.
04:03This is extremely serious.
04:05We are in the most serious security situation since the Second World War.
04:10We take the drone incidents in Leipzig extremely serious,
04:15and we are in close contact with our German friends.
04:18So what are the implications of attributing this to Russia?
04:22Because we know these type of attacks, they're sort of the grey area.
04:25It's very hard to be 100% concrete about attribution,
04:29which is why the likes of Russia and China kind of get away with this.
04:32Well, we're not there yet.
04:34Like I said, we are in close contact with our German colleagues,
04:37and we take these incidents extremely serious.
04:43But we will have to see what comes out.
04:46And I cannot disclose any information that has been handed to us.
04:50Okay.
04:51Just want to ask you about the unfreezing of Russian frozen state assets
04:57and using them to pay for Ukraine, Ukraine's defense reconstruction.
05:01That's back on the table now.
05:03Is that something that we'll be hearing about over the next few days?
05:05And do you hope that the Belgians might change their mind on this?
05:09Yes.
05:10So Sweden, the Netherlands, Poland and Spain have taken the initiative to take this back to the table,
05:17because what we see is that Ukraine needs more support.
05:21And to be honest, we are not providing enough support bilaterally and through the EU.
05:26And then what is left is the frozen assets.
05:29And I take Belgium's concerns very seriously.
05:35But I think it is also basically what my colleague Prevost said,
05:42that we have to make sure that we share the risks and that Belgium is not left alone with the
05:47risks.
05:48But Belgium is looking for full guarantees for any unintended consequences if things go wrong with this risk.
05:56Do you think the EU is willing to do that or are we in the same position we were in
06:00before Christmas?
06:01In my opinion, we cannot stay in the same position as we were before Christmas.
06:05We have to move on because this is what is fair to Ukraine.
06:09It's what is fair to the taxpayers.
06:15So, Maeve, the issue of frozen Russian state assets back on the table this week,
06:20from what I heard from the Belgian authorities, they haven't moved in their position.
06:24And of course, as you heard, they're an increasingly more hostile security situation all across Europe.
06:30So it's one way to get back into September.
06:33Maeve?
06:34OK, Shona Marie, thank you so much for that live broadcast there from just outside Dublin Castle in Ireland.
06:39But now moving on, it's back to school today for students in France.
06:43But for politicians, the summer break ended much earlier.
06:47With presidential elections scheduled for next April,
06:49the political campaign is already gathering pace.
06:52For the mood in the capital, we can cross now to Paris,
06:55where correspondent Estelle Nielsen-Julien is standing by for us this morning.
06:59Good morning, Estelle.
07:00Just give us an idea of where things stand today
07:02and why this is set to be such a monumental year for France.
07:08Well, good morning, Maeve.
07:09As you say, it's set to be an absolutely monumental year for France.
07:13In less than eight months, voters across the country will decide who next,
07:17what next, after a decade of French President Emmanuel Macron being in power.
07:22It's too early to say confidently what the polls mean,
07:26but at present, they are saying that there is a front-runner,
07:29that is the National Rally Party's Marine Le Pen,
07:32followed by Jean-Luc Mélenchon from the far-left France Unbowed Party.
07:37Between them, there's somewhat of a political vacuum.
07:41The question is, how will this be filled?
07:43Will parties form alliances?
07:46How will they organise themselves?
07:48Will they strike deals or not?
07:50Last week, seven key candidates participated in a debate organised by the MEDEF,
07:56France's most powerful business lobby,
07:59and they were grilled on questions about the economy, public debt and pensions.
08:04Mélenchon and Le Pen were, of course, there,
08:05but also MEP Raphael Glucksmann,
08:08and two of Macron's former prime ministers,
08:11that's Édouard Philippe and Gabriel Attal.
08:13But these may be some of the key contentors,
08:16but don't be mistaken, candidacies are still rolling in over the weekend.
08:22We heard former prime minister Dominique de Villepin say that he wanted to be a candidate,
08:27and former president François Hollande is still maintaining the mystery
08:31around whether he will run or not.
08:34But, of course, candidacies will thin in time as primaries occur
08:39and unions take place across different blocs.
08:45Just to remind our viewers that to be an official candidate,
08:50a politician needs the backing of 500 elected officials in France.
08:55And just briefly, Estelle, this election is huge as well for Europe.
09:00Yes, Maeve, it's certainly a huge election for Europe,
09:04and the candidates have very divergent policies when it comes to Europe,
09:09Luc Paine, who once advocated for Frexit this time around,
09:13is calling for a drop in France's contributions to the bloc,
09:17and she's also calling for many of the EU's norms to be scrapped.
09:21Mélenchon has said that he wants to get rid of EU laws that don't suit French citizens,
09:26and he also peddled a very controversial proposal
09:29to scrap a large chunk of France's public debt
09:33held by the Bank of France on behalf of the European Central Bank.
09:36But there are, of course, pro-European candidates,
09:40such as Raphael Glucksmann,
09:41who believes that it's at the European issue,
09:44that issues such as Chinese competition
09:49and regulating big tech companies should happen.
09:53But for a fully accurate picture,
09:56what we're waiting for is the party manifestos
09:59to be able to break down the finer details of candidates' policies.
10:02OK, Estelle Nilsson, Julianne, thank you so much for that primer
10:06on what's set to be a very interesting eight months.
10:08But now, moving on,
10:10the EU institutions are bruised
10:12after Iceland rejected to kick-start negotiations
10:15to join the Club of 27
10:16in a tight referendum last weekend.
10:19It's a huge blow to Brussels' hopes
10:21that geopolitics and security fears
10:23could lure rich countries to the bloc.
10:25For reactions now, I'm joined by Terry Reinke,
10:27German MEP and co-president of the Greens.
10:30Good morning, Terry. Lovely to have you with us.
10:32Good morning.
10:33This is a big, it's a bad story for Europe.
10:35It's a huge blow.
10:36Is the EU just not attractive anymore?
10:40First of all, I'm, of course,
10:42unhappy about the outcome of the referendum.
10:45I would have wished for another result.
10:46I would have loved Iceland
10:48to become part of the European Union.
10:50However, I would not make this a big question
10:53about whether the European Union is an attractive bloc,
10:56because we can see that there are a lot of countries
10:58that want to join the European Union.
11:00When we look at the Western Balkans,
11:02when we look at Ukraine, Moldova or Georgia, for example,
11:06I think that the specific situation in Iceland,
11:09we have to look at,
11:10they're already member of the European economic area.
11:13So they're already applying, for example,
11:15single market legislation.
11:16I think the question of fisheries
11:18played a very important role in the discussion
11:20in Iceland before the referendum.
11:22and I think maybe the lesson learned
11:25that we should take,
11:26which I think was also what we learned
11:28from the Brexit referendum,
11:30is that European politicians
11:31should maybe have been more active in the debate
11:34and taken part in it
11:36and also advocating for joining the European Union
11:39to make it.
11:40Was that a mistake not to get more involved?
11:42I think looking back now,
11:44maybe we should have taken a bigger part
11:46in this discussion,
11:47because I think at the end of the day,
11:48we also have to go into other countries
11:52and advocate for what is good
11:54about being part of the European Union.
11:56Iceland is already having
11:57some of the positive outcomes,
11:59but from a geopolitical,
12:00from a security point of view,
12:02I think it would have been good
12:03to start further negotiations.
12:05And is the Commission President too weak?
12:06I mean, her response was so muted.
12:08In reaction to this referendum outcome,
12:10we got a three-line outcome,
12:12a three-line statement.
12:14For me, the lesson learned of this,
12:16again, is that we should take
12:18a more active role in debates like this.
12:20We should not just, you know,
12:22highlight them as domestic discussions.
12:25Whether Iceland is joining
12:26the European Union or not
12:27is something that has an impact
12:28on the full European Union.
12:30So I think for future moments like this,
12:32whether there will be a debate in Norway
12:34or wherever else,
12:35European politicians should take a role
12:37in the debate and also be bold enough
12:39to say we have an opinion about this
12:41and we are happy to discuss with you.
12:43And we just heard about the French elections.
12:45We have big elections as well
12:46with state elections in eastern Germany
12:48this week where the AFD could win.
12:50Yes, we have a very critical election
12:54happening in Sachsen-Anhalt this Sunday
12:57and it will be tight.
12:59And whether the Greens are going
13:00to join the parliament in the end,
13:02we are tied to the threshold,
13:04will probably define whether the AFD,
13:07so a fascist far-right party in Germany,
13:09can win an absolute majority in Sachsen-Anhalt.
13:11So we are putting everything
13:13into a strong campaign
13:14so that the democratic forces
13:15will prevail in this election.
13:17OK, a story we'll be keeping
13:18a very close eye on here
13:19in your news, Terry Renke.
13:20Thank you so much for joining us here
13:21on Europe Today.
13:23But now, moving on,
13:25in a sign that the passport-free area
13:27Schengen is under major stress,
13:29Italy and Spain have extended
13:31border controls for another 15 days
13:33due to the mass irregular migration crisis
13:36in the Spanish city of Ceuta
13:37just one month ago.
13:40For the view from a Spanish socialist MEP,
13:42I'm now joined by
13:43Juan Fernando López Aguiar,
13:45who's been following
13:45the migration debate closely
13:47for more than a decade here
13:48as an MEP in the European Parliament.
13:50Juan Fernando López Aguiar,
13:50welcome to Europe Today.
13:52Good to have you with us.
13:52Thank you for having me.
13:53On the programme.
13:54You're a member, of course,
13:55of Pedro Sánchez's political family.
13:59Is he being too defensive
14:00on this story?
14:01What could he have done better?
14:03Well, certainly it's a critical situation.
14:07Not only migratory,
14:08it's humanitarian,
14:09and most importantly,
14:10national security.
14:11We are facing a hybrid situation, yes.
14:14But the government is responding,
14:17and certainly it's facing difficulties,
14:20which are only obvious.
14:21But they're responding too little too late.
14:23No.
14:23That's what the locals in South Africa said.
14:24I can't agree.
14:25I can't agree.
14:26Ceuta, to begin with,
14:27is the only, with Melilla,
14:29terrestrial border
14:30of the European Union
14:31with the African continent
14:32the most unequal terrestrial border
14:34on Earth.
14:35Second,
14:37there's a particular situation
14:39in which we have seen
14:40the population,
14:43the size of a population of Ceuta
14:46over the external border,
14:50but swimming by the sea
14:52over the harbor
14:54with the ground
14:55of a ruling of the Supreme Court
14:58which says that
14:58those people entering by sea
15:01cannot be returned
15:03to the country of transit of origin.
15:05They have to be handled
15:06as migrants or asylum seekers.
15:08So it's a situation
15:09that we've got to face.
15:10And who is to blame
15:11And we've got to do it according to law.
15:13Who is to blame for the situation?
15:14Because we're seeing last night
15:15Pedro Sánchez said
15:16it's disinformation
15:17fueled from Russia and Israel
15:19that's also created...
15:20It should be thorough
15:21investigated, that's for sure.
15:23And it's only obvious
15:24that it couldn't happen
15:26without some overlooking
15:28of Moroccan authorities.
15:30That is only obvious.
15:31And common sense
15:32says so.
15:33But
15:33the thing is that
15:35the government
15:35has to
15:36act
15:37based on facts
15:38and evidence.
15:39But most importantly,
15:40it has to combine
15:41rule of law,
15:43the implementation
15:43of the
15:44EU laws
15:45to begin with,
15:46and
15:47of course
15:48ensuring national security
15:50because we're facing
15:51international security issues here.
15:53And that's why
15:53you've called on
15:54Frontex for help.
15:55That's also a bit of
15:56an admission of defeat.
15:57Absolutely.
15:59It's
15:59the response
16:01of European institutions
16:02offer
16:03of
16:04increasing
16:05their presence
16:06in that
16:07particular
16:07very special
16:08terrestrial
16:09external border
16:10of
16:11the EU
16:12with Africa
16:13of
16:13Spain
16:14with Morocco.
16:15But having said this,
16:16I must add
16:17that it's also obvious
16:18that
16:19the response
16:20has to involve
16:21European authorities.
16:22There are a number
16:23of contradictions
16:23which are
16:25obvious
16:25to human eye.
16:28One contradiction
16:29is that
16:30Spain has to
16:31combine
16:32its
16:33response
16:34with Morocco
16:35with cooperation
16:36with Morocco.
16:37You need
16:38Morocco
16:39to handle
16:39the situation.
16:40And second,
16:41you also need
16:41the European Union
16:42to scale up
16:43because if you want
16:44to reassess
16:45the bilateral
16:46relation
16:47of the EU
16:48with Morocco,
16:49it takes
16:49the whole
16:50of the European Union
16:51because we have
16:51a strategic
16:52association
16:52with Morocco.
16:53Are you too
16:53reliant on
16:54Morocco,
16:54perhaps?
16:56Well,
16:56it's impossible
16:57to ignore
16:58a neighbour
17:00and you
17:00have a neighbour
17:01in Morocco.
17:02Spain has
17:03and the whole
17:04of the European Union
17:05has.
17:05That is why
17:06the European Union
17:07has linked
17:08itself with Morocco
17:09through an
17:09association
17:10which it
17:11calls strategic.
17:12But the thing
17:12is that
17:13if we are
17:14to keep up
17:14that strategic
17:15association
17:16with Morocco,
17:17we need
17:17to ask
17:18for Morocco
17:19to behave.
17:20But for our
17:21viewers watching
17:22that chaos
17:22unfold some
17:23month ago
17:24with almost
17:2580,000
17:26irregular
17:26migrants
17:28landing in
17:28Southa,
17:29where is the
17:30migration pact
17:31that we've been
17:31discussing
17:31and implementing?
17:33Precisely.
17:34It's miserable
17:35that after
17:36all the
17:37power,
17:37all the
17:38energy,
17:38all the
17:38work that
17:39we put
17:40into the
17:41adoption
17:41of the
17:41migration
17:42and impact
17:42based on
17:43two principles,
17:44shared
17:44responsibility
17:45and binding
17:46solidarity,
17:47we have
17:48seen that
17:49in this
17:49situation
17:50solidarity
17:50has been
17:51missing.
17:51It's only
17:52regrettable
17:53because Spain
17:54has paid
17:54solidarity
17:55with the
17:56Baltics
17:56facing
17:57Russia,
17:57with Poland
17:58facing Russia
17:59and Kaliningrad,
18:00with Finland
18:01facing Russia,
18:02some of them
18:03also facing
18:04Belarus,
18:04Lukashenko.
18:06We have
18:06paid
18:06solidarity
18:07with Italy
18:07in Lampedusa,
18:08so it's
18:09absolutely
18:10intolerable
18:10that we
18:11have seen
18:11no
18:11solidarity
18:12from
18:12Italian
18:13government
18:14in a
18:14situation
18:15as such.
18:16precisely on
18:16the contrary,
18:17the Italian
18:17government
18:17is using
18:18this for
18:18political
18:19gains,
18:19and as
18:19we see
18:19Schengen
18:21is fizzling
18:22out,
18:22perhaps.
18:23The thing
18:23is that
18:23Schengen
18:24is bound
18:25by rules.
18:25Schengen
18:26is not
18:26a convention
18:27as we
18:27call it.
18:28Schengen
18:28is EU
18:29law.
18:29There is
18:29a Schengen
18:30governance
18:30code
18:31which says
18:31that Schengen,
18:32which is
18:33free movement,
18:33can only
18:34be suspended
18:34on the
18:35grounds of
18:35necessity,
18:37proportionality,
18:37communicated to
18:38the European
18:39Commission,
18:40and under
18:41the oversight
18:41of the
18:42European
18:42Commission.
18:42So it's
18:43bound by
18:44law.
18:45And it's
18:47also certain
18:47that certain
18:49cannot be
18:49suspended by
18:50a member
18:50state to
18:51another
18:52member
18:52state.
18:53Okay,
18:53Juan Fernando
18:54Lopez Aguiar,
18:54thank you so
18:55much for
18:55coming into
18:55this morning
18:56here on
18:57Europe Today.
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