00:00Oh, Lima got him threatening him yesterday.
00:02They were putting his address out on the internet,
00:04talking about how he doesn't have a father.
00:06It's like, well, hey, have you not heard the show?
00:09No, they haven't.
00:09They've only heard the clips.
00:10I don't think that that's going to hurt your feelings
00:12of saying that you don't have a father.
00:15It is very interesting.
00:17I think it would have been gone a long time ago.
00:18Listen, as somebody who will go as low as needs to be,
00:22as low as we need to go, I am okay.
00:26People are like, did you tell the Browns?
00:28Did you call the police?
00:30I'm like, no, unless people start showing up
00:33and doing some weird things.
00:34I'm all for busting stones and having fun.
00:38As long as we're having fun.
00:39If people aren't having fun with it.
00:41I don't think they're having fun.
00:42You don't think they are?
00:43I mean, they've made it their entire online identity
00:46posting about one football player.
00:48I mean, I've never, we thought Tebow mania
00:50was going to be crazy.
00:52This is crazier when it comes to that infatuation.
00:56Because the Tebow fans, they were in love with
01:01not just Tim Tebow, but the Florida football.
01:04They followed the SEC.
01:06These, the Shador fans, I don't know where they were
01:09before Dion took over at Colorado.
01:12Because I have called this out.
01:14Yeah, they were at Jackson State.
01:15Okay.
01:16I don't, I saw the bleachers there.
01:18Like that, that was not Boulder.
01:20They were still fans.
01:22Okay.
01:22But they were still fans of them online.
01:24The Boulder thing was a phenomenon.
01:24But you had a lot, Colorado.
01:27Are you saying that they were Jackson State fans
01:30for 20 years and then Dion's?
01:32No, they were, I think they were fans of Dion.
01:34They were fans of Shador.
01:35And then I think that they became fans online.
01:39Like the whole, the whole Colorado thing.
01:42Colorado has a big student body, alumni base
01:45that came back.
01:47They want to be good at football.
01:49They do.
01:50I mean, they had some, it's, it's been tough
01:53to win at Colorado historically.
01:54Then why didn't they stay with Colorado?
01:56Why did they transfer to Cleveland?
01:58I, because, what, are you talking about
02:00the Colorado fans?
02:01Well, if you're saying it's the Colorado fan base
02:03that has been so fervent over Shador.
02:06It's, no, I'm not, I'm not.
02:07Listen, when, when he's saying, when he's talking
02:10about the stands being full or whatever.
02:12Yeah, I, I don't know how full the stands
02:14were at Jackson State.
02:15I'll admit, I'll have to go back and look.
02:16All right.
02:17But he does have a very strong online presence.
02:19Damn it, I wanted to talk about Rafi Velasquez here.
02:22Um.
02:23You know the answer to that.
02:24Well, he ain't getting called up.
02:26Yeah.
02:26You're right.
02:27He has a growing, damn it.
02:29He has a growing online presence.
02:31Who?
02:31About Velasquez.
02:32Well, okay.
02:33To get him called up.
02:33Okay.
02:35But when, when we look back at the, the, the massive crowds,
02:39Folsom Field being filled again, well, one, you beat TCU
02:43for crying out loud week one, and they were in the national
02:46championship game.
02:47It was, it was amazing.
02:48Eight months before.
02:49So that's a pretty big damn deal.
02:51And I know TCU wasn't what they were a few years ago
02:54when they had a hot hand, but I don't give a damn.
02:55Kenny, we were, we had people telling us to stop talking
02:59about Colorado.
02:59Yes, exactly.
03:00Because we were that infatuated with the story.
03:02Yes, it was.
03:02Owen's like, I don't care.
03:03Owen's like, I don't care.
03:04I'm like, we are, we are infatuated with this.
03:06And this is years ago.
03:06It was like, the other shoe's going to drop.
03:08They're not going to be good.
03:09Now, the rest of the year, they weren't that good.
03:11But the following year, they were, they were good.
03:13Yes.
03:14And you do have, like the Broncos fans are a passionate fan
03:17base.
03:17A lot of them are Colorado fans.
03:19And so it would go to say, there's a lot of, there's a lot of
03:21alum.
03:22They went back.
03:23They go to the games.
03:24They saw them do better.
03:26Then they did much better the second year.
03:28They won nine games for crying out loud.
03:30And yeah, now they've kind of fallen on hard times again.
03:32But you mentioned like, they didn't come to the Browns game
03:35when he first started.
03:36Yeah.
03:37Cause it's, it's an online presence, but to get out there and
03:40to buy a ticket, fly, buy a plane ticket, fly in the whole
03:45thing.
03:45I mean, that's a massive undertaking.
03:47And so you can support online.
03:49The reason Kenny that I'm asking about who these, who these
03:53fans rooted for beforehand, I asked that because I've
03:57questioned what I call media literacy.
03:59And what I mean by that is people that grow up rooting for
04:03these teams, whether it's Ohio state, whether it's the Dallas
04:06Cowboys, they know how the sport is covered.
04:09They understand that there are going to be people on first take
04:14or people on the debate shows or, you know, big radio
04:17personalities or local affiliate anchors that will have good stuff
04:22to say, bad stuff to say.
04:24There'll be stuff to debate what strikes me as different.
04:28And quite frankly, bizarre with the Shador fandom is they don't
04:32think he's ever capable of criticism.
04:35They don't allow it.
04:36Well, I can't help that.
04:37There is, you can't question arm strength.
04:40You can't question mobility.
04:41You certainly can't question organization.
04:43You can't question cadence.
04:45You can't question this or that.
04:46They think it's all lies.
04:47Well, I can't.
04:48They think he's Patrick Mahomes now, and he's just not being given
04:50the opportunity.
04:51I understand that.
04:52We're all fans of the things that might not be true, okay?
04:55So I can't help that.
04:56And again, I think that the internet blows up.
04:58I think that every person's opinion stands for 10 times because
05:02you're reading it right there than what it is in real life.
05:04Now, we've been down that road several times.
05:06You know, I'm just pointing out that I can't help those people
05:09who can't look at it through the truth of it.
05:10But if you were a fan of his, and this is not just them, I think this is
05:14with a lot of people out there, is like, you know, you asked last week
05:19when the Deshaun Watson booing incident was going, we were going over that
05:23on Monday through basically Thursday before we finally got to the end of that.
05:28And it was, you know, how does this affect the young guys?
05:32And I said, these guys are from all over the country.
05:33They know the Browns for one thing.
05:35Unfortunately, it's not good.
05:36It's for losing.
05:37And I think that Chidor fans are from all over the country
05:40and they know the Browns for one thing.
05:42And unfortunately, it's for losing.
05:43And the Browns have been known.
05:44Like, I look at the Jets.
05:46I'm not a Jets fan.
05:46I don't look at the Jets as a bunch of screw-ups.
05:49Okay?
05:49They mess things up.
05:51That's what they do.
05:52Anything they get good, they'll screw it up.
05:54That's just what the Jets do.
05:55Well, what do people think of the Browns outside of Cleveland?
05:58All right?
05:59And it's up to the Jets to figure that out.
06:00It's up to the Browns to figure that out.
06:02So, like, whoever gets drafted by the Jets, like, I was,
06:05I just assumed Dante Moore went back, one, because he was getting money.
06:09Two, he didn't want to go to the Jets.
06:12And, well, what are people going to think about the Browns if they're outside?
06:15Like, it's very easy for me to point fingers,
06:17but I've got to know what the score is with myself.
06:20And so, if you're a fan of a certain player,
06:22whether you're from Arlington, Texas, or California, or Florida, or anything,
06:26you know the Browns for not being successful.
06:29And you've blamed the Browns for the frustrations of others.
06:32And so, you're going to think that the Browns are screwing it up.
06:35You may not know.
06:36I mean, there's a lot of people who don't know football
06:37and don't know how the way things work and can understand that, yeah,
06:40they were trying to do it this way, that way, whatever way.
06:42It's still the wrong way to them because it's the Browns.
06:46Had he had ended up with another team,
06:47maybe they might feel a little bit differently, but still probably not.
06:51But they might feel differently if you were with Kansas City
06:53because you can't deny Patrick Mahomes.
06:55Maybe it'd be different if it was in Buffalo because you can't deny Josh Young.
06:58But a lot of other places, yeah, there's going to be that argument
07:01that's thrown out there.
07:02Absolutely it's going to be.
07:03And while you and I might look at it and go,
07:05eh, that one there is not very realistic,
07:07it's still the history that our favorite football team has
07:11that they're going to be accused of it until they fix it.
07:15When I was growing up, I know that the Patriots were in the Super Bowl in 85,
07:20yeah, after the 85 season.
07:22I thought the Patriots were garbage.
07:24Then they got Tom Brady.
07:25I just thought that they were a perennial loser.
07:27I thought the same thing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
07:30It was just, you guys, that's what you do.
07:32You go out there, you lose, you suck.
07:33That's the way it goes.
07:34Cardinals, same thing.
07:35Like, I thought that.
07:36No, it's up to you to change it.
07:38And right now, there's young people, I hate to say it,
07:40who they just think the Browns are perennial losers,
07:42and it's up to the Browns to change that.
07:44And they can't change it right now.
07:46So, yeah, they're going to blame the Browns.
07:48It's that simple.
07:49Can't be their favorite player's fault.
07:51It's the Browns' fault.
07:53And there's maybe a couple of times where it could be the Browns' fault.
07:55This just seems like another level.
07:57Like another level of...
07:58I understand that.
07:59They don't...
07:59I get it.
08:01They don't think he was a fifth-round pick.
08:02They don't think he's the backup.
08:04They don't think he played poorly last year,
08:06despite the numbers that say he was one of the worst rookie quarterbacks
08:09we've ever had.
08:10Like, they just don't believe it,
08:11and they will not only fight for it,
08:14which is admirable.
08:15Hey, fight for your guy.
08:16But, like, there has to be some concession here.
08:19If I'm willing to concede, yeah, I don't want Will Levis.
08:22I will take Shador of a Will Levis.
08:24I'm not taking anybody but Shador,
08:26which is, you know, what I've been accused of.
08:28I don't want Will Levis.
08:29Joe Milton.
08:30All right, well, another team just gave up on Joe Milton.
08:33Probably not taking Joe Milton.
08:34Sorry, Brian Hoyer.
08:35Like, I'm willing to say,
08:36I'd rather have Shador right now than those guys.
08:38Then if I'm willing to concede that,
08:40can you at least concede that he...
08:43No.
08:43His career may be in jeopardy.
08:45He may not be good enough.
08:46No, they won't.
08:47I can.
08:47But I'm trying to be reasonable here,
08:50but the folks that have threatened you
08:53and all that other stuff,
08:54they're not going to...
08:55They went after Emmitt and said he's not black enough.
08:58Like, this was going on over the last 48 hours.
09:00This is how crazy it is.
09:02Well, I can't reason with any of that.
