00:00He was very committed, and I think throughout his career has been very committed to the idea
00:05of vaccines as sort of the solution to everything. Again, I want to be very clear. I think vaccines
00:12in individual instances for some community protective diseases like measles are really
00:18important, but not all diseases. And certainly the push for the COVID vaccine, really the only way
00:26when you look at this, that you were able to sort of make this happen. It's not like drugs like
00:34hydroxychloroquine were perfect drugs, but they were just kind of these non-specific
00:39anti-infective drugs that for a virus, viruses are tough to treat. They actually did work if you got
00:46them early, but I think we had to sort of, we have this all or nothing that everything has to
00:53be,
00:54you know, that it had to be this way in order to push to have the vaccines without the kind
00:59of
01:00usual safety testing that you were going to have. You had to say there was nothing at all that could
01:05be done. That was, I think, incredibly harmful.
