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00:00Of course, you're not doing that.
00:02Oh, he's got to be faking that.
00:05Whatever.
00:06I'm all good.
00:06I have, courtesy of our friends at BetOnline, AFC East props.
00:12Okay, here we go.
00:13Let's test a couple of these.
00:14I feel like I need music.
00:16Sorry, Zach.
00:18Give me some music!
00:19No, I'm kidding.
00:20It's fine.
00:20What music?
00:21I know.
00:21What music?
00:22What?
00:22We didn't arrange this.
00:24We didn't have a meeting.
00:25What are we talking about here?
00:26All right.
00:27What do we got?
00:27Um, let's start with the easy.
00:30Let's start with, like, you know, base level here.
00:34Over, under 10 and a half wins.
00:38For who?
00:39Bills.
00:39Okay.
00:42Um, I, I, I would go over.
00:46Does the number maybe slow any, would it slow one down on?
00:52It could.
00:5311 and a half would slow me down.
00:55Optimism.
00:55If it were another game, another full game higher.
01:00I'm thinking the other way around.
01:01Oh.
01:02I'm thinking that if it were 11 and a half, that would be more reason to think, like,
01:08they're just going to have another great year.
01:10Okay.
01:1110 and a half is, I think maybe it has been that before, but it's a little low where you
01:17might, I wonder what the, like, plus and minus is on that.
01:21I could look separate.
01:22Oh, where you might think, like, oh, there's skepticism about the bills, maybe I'll take
01:26the under.
01:27Well, 11 and 6, and I, I'll apologize on behalf of yourself for just the stupidity of these
01:33numbers because they're not even numbers anymore.
01:3511 and 6 is good.
01:40That would be an over.
01:42That's a win if you bet the over on the bills.
01:4510 and 7 is not.
01:48And 10 and 7 is stressful.
01:51Yeah, 10 and 7 is.
01:51I think a 10 and 7 season is, like, you are maybe riding it all the way to the end.
01:58The bills finish with Miami and the Jets.
02:03And 8 and 7 until those two games, basically after Christmas, well, literally after Christmas,
02:10will not feel like a good year.
02:12It would be one of those years where we're just trying to relax everybody by saying, you
02:16never know.
02:17Right.
02:17It means, right, but how are they playing when the playoffs get here?
02:20What are the matchups?
02:21How healthy is everyone?
02:23All that, yeah.
02:24If, if 10 and a half is the dividing line, and in theory, half the people betting it are
02:32betting on under 10 and a half, so 10 and 7, that's what that is.
02:37I mean, that's 8 and 7 with the Dolphins and the Jets, perhaps the two worst teams in
02:42the NFL.
02:44And, I mean, that's a 500 year until you get the two gifts.
02:47Until you get the two cupcakes at the end.
02:49At the end.
02:50Yeah.
02:51So, I mean, is it, I'm going to go look now to see what the, like, the lean is on
02:57that,
02:58but I don't love 11, I don't love 10 and 5 being this number because of that.
03:0210 and a half, you mean, yeah.
03:03Yeah, 10 and a half.
03:0410.5.
03:05Yeah.
03:07Yeah, I appreciate how you always approach that.
03:12Like, for me, I'm just thinking about it as not so much what it means, what it indicates.
03:19To me, I'm, I think they're going to be good.
03:23I think New England might be gettable because I think the schedule will be tougher and whatever.
03:29So, I think the division, you know, even at 11 and 6, the division could be in play, I think.
03:35Um, but, like, I would not feel, I would not feel comfortable if it were another game higher.
03:43That would not push me to go, oh, they think they're going to be great, so I'll just assume 12
03:49wins.
03:49Like, I think that schedule, 12 wins, would be, I've always said, you win 12, even with 17 games now,
03:57you go 12 and 5, that's a great year.
03:59You've had a great year.
04:00Um, regardless of where you land, you know, in the seeds and whatever, and you win the division or not,
04:06that's a great year.
04:07Um, I, I don't assume they'll just have a great year with a new coach and a new defense and,
04:14you know, all the other stuff.
04:15And all the, the rising tide around them, I think the AFC is harder than ever and the schedule's hard.
04:21So, I feel like 11 and 6 would be a really good job.
04:25It's not a great year, but it's a good job with that schedule and all the other factors.
04:30Well, I guess, as I look at it on DraftKings, over 10 and a half is minus 120, under is
04:37plus 100.
04:38That's almost a coin flip.
04:40Yeah, it's not that much of a difference, really.
04:41So, if you, I think maybe objectively, you should take 11 and 6.
04:48I would.
04:48I've said that.
04:49I don't know if I've said it with you, but other times this summer, talking about the schedule, talking about
04:54the season, that right now, if I, if I, if I could get, if I could sign for 11 and
04:596, I would.
05:00And I know what I'm, I'm not availing myself of by doing that.
05:03The one.
05:04The one, almost certainly, maybe not the division.
05:07Um, I feel like that would be a good job with, with the schedule and with all the new stuff
05:13that there is.
05:14So, it's a little different for me this year than it has been.
05:17If I can take you outside of this, like, who is the team then that would be thinking about the
05:23one seed the most?
05:25Who would have the most license to think about the one?
05:31Is it Baltimore?
05:33Is it, could it really be Denver?
05:36Denver again?
05:36Um, I think it's Baltimore.
05:40I think the Ravens would be, the Ravens are the clear favorite, by the way, to get the one.
05:48You can bet that too in the AFC.
05:51So, I mean, you have a Bengals thing, but the Patriots won this division, the Bengals didn't win their division,
05:59neither did the Ravens.
06:01Houston and Jacksonville, Denver, Kansas City, LA.
06:05I mean, there's pretty good looking competition at the top of each one.
06:10But, if any team were, like, not the team so much as, like, the outside, were really thinking about the
06:19one seed, it would be the Ravens, I think.
06:21Like, the Bills could do it.
06:22The Bills might be second, where you would talk like that.
06:25But, 10 and a half, minus 120 on the over is not that flattering.
06:31It's good.
06:33New England is 9 and a half.
06:36And their lean is toward the over.
06:41Actually, minus 160, 9 and a half.
06:43I feel like at some point I say this every year.
06:46Do you know, just without having to check anything, how tough is the AFC South schedules?
06:53Like, who are they playing?
06:54Like, what are their crossovers?
06:57Like, are they, you know, because that, I feel like a Jacksonville or a Houston might be, if the schedule
07:04is soft enough.
07:05I mean, Tennessee is soft.
07:09Indianapolis is kind of, who knows, but probably soft.
07:13So, they play the NFC East.
07:15Okay.
07:16That's not...
07:17And the AFC North.
07:19Okay, that's not cakey, I don't think.
07:21NFC East?
07:22Yeah, Philly, Dallas, I don't know what is Washington.
07:25I mean, the Giants, I...
07:27You could do worse.
07:28Cast them aside.
07:30Sure, I agree.
07:32NFC North, who the Bills have, is I think the toughest.
07:37NFC West, I would put second.
07:39Because that's three tough games and one easy one.
07:42Right, right.
07:43The four in the NFC North are all tough games.
07:45Yes.
07:45NFC South is the softest.
07:48And then, that's what the Bills had last year.
07:51Right.
07:51And then, NFC East is Philly, I don't know what you do with Dallas, Washington, Giants.
07:57Like, matter of opinion.
07:59But that's what Houston and Jacksonville have.
08:02I'm pretty bullish on Dallas.
08:03I don't know what to do with Washington.
08:05I just don't know what they're going to be.
08:10You know, they had such a standout year two years ago in Daniels' rookie year.
08:15And then, it just didn't really come together last year at all.
08:18I mean, he was hurt.
08:19So, it was kind of a messy year.
08:21But I don't know.
08:22They could bounce back.
08:24Like, is he great or not?
08:25I mean, I guess we're going to find out this year.
08:26I feel like Dallas is going to be good.
08:28Me too.
08:29So, I think that's...
08:30Those are two, at least two, maybe three, depending on what you're going to do with Washington.
08:34But I don't know what to do with Washington.
08:35What is your favorite, anybody listening as well, what might be your favorite pick for any Bills player or coach
08:47to lead the league in something or to win an award?
08:54Sort of the shortest odds on the board for awards are Allen for MVP at 7-1.
09:03And then, for stat leader, it's Cook to do what he did last year.
09:07I mean, that would just be incredible.
09:10If he led the league in rushing two years in a row, the fact that he did it once to
09:15me is insane.
09:16If he did that twice, 7-1 is the same number for James Cook to lead the league in rushing
09:22yards.
09:24Those are your two favorites.
09:26Do you have Joe Brady coach of the year?
09:2916-1.
09:31That doesn't seem great to me.
09:32No.
09:33Just like with McDermott.
09:34Right.
09:35How does he win?
09:36How does Joe Brady overcome John Cooper?
09:40They get the one seed.
09:42If he does something McDermott couldn't do with this team, then I think he gets credit.
09:47Otherwise, he doesn't get near it.
09:50No matter how good a year they have.
09:52But if they achieve something in the regular season that has eluded them, the entirety of McDermott's tenure here, then
09:59I think you could see a bump there.
10:02Okay, that seems right.
10:04I think if they – so, do I like that more than Allen's chances of being the MVP again?
10:11Probably not.
10:12Like, I don't – 13 wins?
10:15I don't know, man.
10:15That seems like an incredible lift.
10:17They could both win.
10:18Right.
10:19If they have that year, maybe they – yeah, maybe they're both up on stage.
10:23Harbaugh and Jackson won together.
10:24Yeah.
10:25It's not common.
10:26I could see that.
10:27But, you know, to me, the chances of them doing that are pretty – Allen could win the MVP like
10:33he did two years ago without the one seed.
10:36You know, if he throws for, you know, 4,400 yards and 30 touchdowns and rushes for 10 more and
10:43they have – you know, they win 11 or 12 games, then I think he's in the conversation again.
10:484,400?
10:49Yeah, I just picked a number.
10:51I don't know.
10:52What did he have last year?
10:5336.
10:54He was way down last year.
10:5530, 30.
10:56Yeah, 36, 68.
10:58He has been down – this is really kind of interesting and maybe surprising, but his touchdown pass number has
11:08come down five years in a row.
11:10Mm-hmm.
11:11Like on a steady straight line.
11:1437 to 36 to 35 to 29 to 28 to 25.
11:19Kind of wild.
11:21Yeah.
11:21That that would be true.
11:23So, Allen is 7 to 1 for the MVP.
11:26Cook is 7 to 1 to win the rushing title again.
11:30Yeah.
11:30Brady is 16 to win – 16 to 1 to win coach of the year.
11:35Josh Allen is 10 to 1 to lead the league in rushing touchdowns.
11:39Hmm.
11:41Want to do that?
11:42I do not.
11:43No, I don't want to do that.
11:44Because I keep waiting for that number to sort of come down to earth and normalize, and as he gets
11:48older, it seems logical to think –
11:51More likely it will happen now, you know, even though it hasn't happened yet.
11:54But 10 to 1?
11:55I mean, that's not –
11:57Yeah.
11:57That's not a long shot.
11:58And there really isn't anyone, like, right, is there – Skyler Bell is not going to be offensive rookie of
12:07the year.
12:07Ooh.
12:09You know, unless something were to happen to Shakir, and, like, he gets in there and, like, catches, you know,
12:15I don't know, 75 passes and six touchdowns or something.
12:18Then maybe you've got to look at it.
12:20But you need an injury there, a long-term injury.
12:23Shakir is still not practicing as of today, but we have no idea what the timeline on that is.
12:30Worried yet, though?
12:30What's that?
12:31Worried yet?
12:32I wouldn't say no.
12:33I wouldn't say I'm worried yet.
12:34No.
12:35I think when next week gets here, if he's not, you know, on the field –
12:40Monday?
12:40Then, yeah, whenever they start the work week, then I think I would start to be, like, a little worried
12:46there.
12:47Well, when did he stop practicing?
12:50The 15th.
12:51He played against Carolina.
12:53I think that was the date of that game.
12:55Saturday the 15th is right.
12:58And has not practiced since then.
13:00Okay.
13:01I don't – I've not seen – I did a little looking at this because we were talking about this
13:05when we got here a little bit.
13:08And I went looking, and I haven't seen any sort of, oh, here's where it happened, whatever.
13:15But one injury account that I follow that specifically follows the Bills and analyzes Bills' injuries says it's a hamstring,
13:23but I don't know.
13:24You know, I don't know that myself.
13:26I've not seen – I didn't see footage.
13:27We saw Ty Johnson in the open practice, like, running like, ah!
13:30Ah!
13:30And fall down.
13:31I never saw anything like that with Shakir.
13:33So –
13:33He played in the game.
13:34Yes.
13:35Against Carolina.
13:36Against Carolina.
13:36And then has been down since.
13:38Yes.
13:39I think it would be kind of cool if the person running an account about Bills' injuries were the actual
13:46Bills' doctor.
13:47Yeah, right.
13:48Like their burner two days in a row for the word burner.
13:51Yeah.
13:52Or just like an injury information account.
13:55Like, oh, well, you know, how would this guy know?
13:57And he's the guy sitting there thinking to himself, I might know.
14:01I know.
14:01Right.
14:02I'm the actual doctor.
14:03And there isn't a defender that, you know, Caleb Elarm's or maybe is the most – the rookie that has
14:09the chance to play the most on defense.
14:11And he's, you know, your second string as of now inside linebacker is not winning defensive rookie.
14:17No, it would be like an offensive guard winning offensive rookie of the year.
14:21I don't think there's any – I don't think there's anything, you know.
14:24I think we've covered the possibilities, I guess I would say.
14:29Defensive rookie of the year, TJ Parker, is listed.
14:33Okay.
14:3440-1.
14:37Defensive player of the year, two players are listed.
14:41Greg Rousseau at 100-1.
14:43Mm-hmm.
14:44Bradley Chubb at 300-1.
14:46Wow.
14:47So nobody's expecting that.
14:51Offensive player of the year, James Cook?
14:55No, right?
14:56No, I don't think so.
14:5780 catches.
14:59Okay, yeah.
15:00I mean, if he –
15:01If he doubles plus –
15:02Yeah, he wouldn't even maybe need to lead the league in rushing.
15:05No.
15:05If he does, he has, like, 1,400 yards rushing and catches 80 balls, then maybe you've got to look
15:11at it.
15:11Right.
15:13And nobody's expecting him – this has been sell consistently.
15:16Like, there's been speculation the whole offseason that he catches more passes, but that that would come at the expense
15:24of his rushes.
15:25So, I don't think anybody's expecting him to lead the league in rushing again.
15:30Is DJ Moore listed for offensive player of the year?
15:33Yes.
15:34What?
15:34250-1.
15:36250-1.
15:36Your four bits – what's that, a dollar?
15:41Sure.
15:41Aren't you old enough?
15:42Bits?
15:42Yeah.
15:44Your four bits – two bits is a quarter?
15:46I think it's eight bits.
15:47I think a dollar is eight bits.
15:48I'm not familiar with the bits.
15:49What happened with bits?
15:50I don't know about bits.
15:52Where did bits go?
15:53I'm not up to date on bits.
15:54Why did we need to move away from bits?
15:57Maybe because you didn't even know how much money bits were, like I'm experiencing right now?
16:03I'm the oldest person in the world.
16:04What is it?
16:05What is bits?
16:05Shave and a haircut, two bits?
16:07Is that the old thing?
16:08Two bits.
16:08From a cartoon.
16:09Shave and a haircut, two bits.
16:10Bits.
16:11Two bits.
16:12Two bits, I think, is a quarter.
16:14Okay.
16:14I have no idea.
16:16I've never analyzed –
16:17Bits.
16:18You know, the bit translation.
16:22What is bits?
16:24In Tootsie, they mention bits.
16:27Oh, yeah?
16:27Mm-hmm.
16:28You would know.
16:29That's my movie.
16:301982.
16:31You get two bits?
16:32Sure.
16:33Or four.
16:33You might say four.
16:34How much is a beer in 1982 at a bar, at a dive bar?
16:3750 cents?
16:38Yeah.
16:39Probably.
16:39Four bits?
16:40Yeah.
16:41Bits.
16:41How many bits?
16:42I grew up in a world where Tuesday nights was quarter draft night at Good Bar.
16:47Four bits wins you a billion bits.
16:50Also 10-cent wings.
16:51In DJ Moore.
16:52For a thing, then.
16:53MVP country.
16:54Yeah.
16:54Yeah.
16:55What do you –
16:55Yes.
16:56I need 120 catches and 12 touchdowns for DJ Moore to be Offensive Player of the Year.
17:03At least.
17:04At least that.
17:05You might –
17:05I mean, what was Smith and Jigba?
17:08Tyree Kill was going for 2,000 when he won Cooper Cup.
17:11Right.
17:11Like, you need that.
17:12You need –
17:12Yeah.
17:13You need –
17:141,800 yards.
17:15To threaten 2,000 yards.
17:16Yeah.
17:16Yeah.
17:16I mean, I think 1,000 –
17:17I would take 1,000 easily.
17:19Yeah.
17:19For DJ Moore.
17:20Me too.
17:21So, yeah, I don't think there's any realistic beyond the –
17:25You know, they have the incredible year.
17:27I think Allen and Brady could be in great shape.
17:29Allen's passing prop is lower than his total last year.
17:32And I think that that's normal because of the possibility of injuries.
17:36Right.
17:36But 3,600 and a half is his –
17:39Got to get that half in there.
17:40Always a half so there's no ties.
17:42The book has to win.
17:43Yeah.
17:44Touchdown passes, 24 and a half.
17:47If it's 24, that would be a sixth year in a row.
17:50Right.
17:51Downward.
17:52Mm-hmm.
17:53If it's only 24.
17:55All right.
17:57Looking at some bet online props for the Bills.
18:00We have the whole AFC East here.
18:01I mean, I'm not trying to brag.
18:03We just –
18:03We get sent this stuff.
18:05They sent it to us, yeah.
18:06The Jets and the Dolphins as well as the Patriots too.
18:10We – Patriots.
18:11We will talk to Mike Giardi today at 4.
18:14Sal Capaccio at 5.
18:16Anybody worried about Shakir yet?
18:20Still not practicing?
18:22Two and a half weeks, maybe a tinge higher.
18:25Like Saturday's that game, so Wednesday.
18:28Two and a half weeks is close enough.
18:29Mm-hmm.
18:30Still not on the practice field.
18:32But a lot of teams, I think, are very careful, being very careful with injuries.
18:37But is Shakir doing anything?
18:39Like I've got here Emeka Abuka over here, like tiptoeing.
18:42I think he was on the side with Ty Johnson and a couple other injured guys doing some things with
18:47trainers yesterday.
18:48I think he was a part of that group.
18:50But, again, I didn't study exactly what he was doing, but I think he was a part of the group
18:54working on the side.
18:56Okay.
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