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00:00Maybe this will help you, like, not be so reckless in the future.
00:06I just can't, like, let that go right now.
00:13Virtual reality.
00:16Hi, I'm Danny Murphy.
00:17I'm Evan Real.
00:18And okay, we were hitting the slopes and hitting the T and getting all the drama.
00:22This little getaway for these kids has been quite messy.
00:26It has been.
00:27It's been absolutely wild.
00:29And I'm enjoying every second of it.
00:31The only part that made me feel a little sad was this whole situation between Amira and Charlie.
00:39I love that Amira is choosing peace and choosing to disassociate herself from Charlie at the moment.
00:45But what is making me sad is I feel like she's kind of low-key, in a way, giving Charlie
00:53a pass for making homophobic and transphobic remarks, you know?
00:58Because I was out when you caught up with Amira while she's doing press this season, and you said her
01:03and Charlie are friends now?
01:04It seems like they're still close.
01:05It did seem like it's a very layered thing for Amira, because she was like, I've known him for seven
01:11years.
01:12I love him.
01:13She's like, I just am getting some space to recalibrate.
01:15And I don't know if they are at a part where it's kind of like, we're family, and you just
01:20sometimes love your family through ups and downs type of thing.
01:24I don't know if they were at that closeness.
01:25It seems like they were, because I feel like it was less, from what I was computing from it, it
01:33seemed like it was less about the comments he made, and maybe more about the fact that he was, like,
01:39that she was heard about her friendship with him.
01:42Right.
01:43Type of thing, where she was like, because she's like, I want to get back to a place with you.
01:47I want to take some space because I value our friendship too much to just, like, let it go and
01:53move on.
01:53I just don't know how to do that yet.
01:56And he did receive that well.
01:59I thought that they had a really beautiful moment.
02:01I mean, it was a heartbreaking moment, but I thought he took on his part in it.
02:07Yeah.
02:07And I hope that has held with him.
02:09And maybe he has changed since then, because she said that's what she, yeah.
02:13Right.
02:13I hope so.
02:14I guess Amira is just potentially a bigger and better person than I am, because if someone attacked my community,
02:24and if I knew in my heart that they said something about my identity, sexual orientation, et cetera, because it
02:31was about Kevin, her boyfriend, potentially being gay.
02:33And then he had apparently said something about her identity as a trans woman, Amira.
02:38I just don't know that I would be able to find forgiveness in my heart.
02:44But she has, it seems.
02:46And that says a lot about her character.
02:48And I think you make a really good point.
02:50Maybe there's a deeper friendship there that we just don't know.
02:54And it's like, he feels like a sibling to her.
02:56I think that's because I was also kind of confused how she was so, well, I understood when she was
03:02like, how Georgia forgave Charlie so fast for some bowling or three floor thing, some BS.
03:10But then Amira was like, but you were talking to me about Charlie, about how he said all these things
03:17about me.
03:17Right.
03:18But now you want to be friends with someone like that.
03:19He said really terrible things about Amira, which is why, the way Georgia put it, you should know that and
03:26maybe you should end the friendship because he did say something about Kevin being gay, but even though he's not.
03:31And he did say something about your trans identity and that's terrible and that's a line we can't cross.
03:35But now Georgia's going home with him again.
03:37Right, exactly.
03:38So that's kind of, I mean, but then again, if Amira can forgive him for saying such things and it's
03:45like, can Georgia also be buddy-buddy with him again?
03:49It's very, it's confusing the, the charming effects he has on this group.
03:56I don't see the charm.
03:57I don't feel the charm.
03:58I don't get any like ability factor from Charlie whatsoever.
04:01Ariana sees it though.
04:01And Ariana seems to be leaning more and more into it.
04:04She seems very confused of what, well, also Charlie, I guess, forgot that someone told, Gia told him the night
04:12before Liam and Ariana were exclusive.
04:14So then they had a little like chalet chit chat.
04:18Right, because Gia was like, I don't understand why he's so shocked and it really makes no sense because he
04:23was already told that.
04:24But when they had the conversation on top of the ski hill, he was like, finally, I get it.
04:28Him and Liam, he was explaining like, I didn't know that you were exclusive.
04:30I didn't know it was serious like this.
04:32Now I want to respect that even though I told you the night before I didn't respect it and I'm
04:36going to f*** her no matter what.
04:37And then also he was like, well, I just want to say I know this because then if Ariana tries
04:41anything with me, it's because she wanted to, not because I was trying to get in the way of you
04:45guys.
04:45Make sure that my conscience is clear.
04:47If I hook up with her, that it's because she didn't want to be in a relationship, not because I
04:53disrupted anything that was otherwise blossoming.
04:55And then also it seems like in the previews, she, well, and also we've, we heard the true tea that
05:01she goes for that.
05:02And it's crazy too, because, well, then we had the Brooks and Shai, not even dueling because they're friends, which
05:09is so lovely.
05:10They were just both celebrating their clothing launches.
05:13Yes, their pop-ups.
05:14Their pop-ups.
05:15Both very, both very them.
05:17Both very them, both very different.
05:19But man, Ava was really feeling Shai's pop-up.
05:21Girl.
05:22And I'm kind of, do you know what?
05:23I love that Ava at first was very much like, no, we're not going to kiss.
05:27This isn't going to be a thing.
05:28But she is really growing to like Shai.
05:31And I feel like she is developing a crush.
05:32And we find out in this episode, they did have a secret kiss at the bar in front of the
05:36bartender.
05:37And then they kissed again.
05:38It was a make-out.
05:39A make-out at Charlie's apartment.
05:41A whole-ass make-out.
05:42I kind of like them together.
05:43I think they're cute.
05:44I do too.
05:45And what's so crazy, because then Ava gave us the off-camera dish about what went on after Shai's pop
05:51-up.
05:51That her, Shai, Liam, Ariana all went out.
05:55Yeah.
05:55Which makes sense.
05:56Right, I love that.
05:57And then they all went to Charlie's apartment.
06:00But then Liam went to walk Ariana's dogs.
06:05What?
06:06Yeah, a little confusing.
06:07And this was after Liam and Ariana had a discussion about like, let's not do the late night Charlie moments
06:13anymore.
06:14Yeah.
06:14So, I don't know.
06:16Ariana is exploring the desires of her heart.
06:18And one of those desires seems to be connecting and canoodling and getting kissy with Charlie.
06:23And I support her following her heart.
06:26But I do think that Liam is the better pick.
06:27I know.
06:28Well, I do think she's operating from a place of fear.
06:30Yeah?
06:30Because she said in her confessional, the only time I've ever said I love you before was to Hudson.
06:35Oh.
06:35I said it to one person and I meant it.
06:39These feelings developing with Liam are maybe coming on very fast for her.
06:43Right.
06:43Right after getting out of the whole thing with Hudson.
06:45And she's probably like, I don't really know how to operate.
06:47I don't really know what this is scaring me.
06:51I don't want to get into another maybe 10-year-long thing that doesn't work out for me and then
06:55ends this way.
06:56So, I think she is running to Charlie because he is the less safe answer in sense of like, I
07:02know I'm not going to fall head over heels with him.
07:04Right.
07:04Totally.
07:04I know this won't last.
07:05And this was after they had, she and Liam, Ariana and Liam, apparently, according to Liam, had this like, Nicholas
07:12Sparks, vibey, rom-com moment where she was like, you are my dream.
07:19Like, I'm manifesting you and here you are right in front of me.
07:22And then he like made the point like, okay, I thought you were like chasing the dream.
07:26I know.
07:26Well, she's sleepwalking to Charlie's.
07:29And then she has, you know, her night towers over there.
07:33Yeah.
07:33I don't know what I'm going on.
07:34And, um, but I mean, I kind of understand Liam, you know, jumping in feet first, total lover boy vibes.
07:42Yeah.
07:42If Ariana is talking to him like that about their relationship, I feel like they honestly, genuinely really care about
07:48each other.
07:48There's a lot of chemistry there.
07:49I mean, we've seen it IRL at the housewives party.
07:52Like they are, they're just, they're kind of vibing.
07:56They're vibing out.
07:57And what is kind of comforting to know for me, at least someone who is very skeptical of Charlie,
08:03what we've heard from both Liam and Shy is that Ariana and Charlie are currently not really speaking.
08:09We do know that Ariana is hanging out with Liam, which makes me feel good because I do really love
08:13them together.
08:14I know.
08:14But also I remember this all started with her saying she wouldn't touch Charlie with a 10 foot pole.
08:18So who knows what will happen?
08:20If it's over doesn't mean it's really over, as Katy Perry once sang.
08:23Oh, but I'm hoping it is.
08:24I really am hoping it is.
08:26Do you think that she's going to canoodle again with Charlie, reignite the flame?
08:29I think.
08:31She could.
08:32She could.
08:32Anything can happen.
08:34Anything could happen.
08:34I think it is kind of a thing where, I don't know, maybe she is in more of a place
08:39where she wants to be more serious, but also she's 23.
08:41Yeah, right.
08:41I know.
08:42And he's 30.
08:43So I just.
08:43Well, they're both 30.
08:45Oh, Charlie's 32.
08:46Or Charlie's 31.
08:48Yeah.
08:48Or something like that.
08:49So I don't know if she's also kind of like, who are these?
08:51I mean, both of them younger than us, but like, she's probably like, who are these like grandpas that I'm
08:56hoping up with?
08:57Right.
08:57You know what I mean?
08:57Like she might want to just be with someone more her age.
09:00Yeah.
09:00I don't know.
09:01And, you know, she has every right to explore any connection she can in this gorgeous town of New York
09:06City.
09:06You know who else?
09:07Kendall's talking and I love it.
09:08Yes.
09:09Wait, Kendall is involving herself more and I really like it.
09:11I feel like she's starting to find.
09:13I know we have, we're like right up against the finale.
09:15Next week is the finale.
09:16So Kendall.
09:17She found her voice though.
09:18And I like that they're utilizing her more.
09:20I really like her.
09:21I think she's pretty.
09:22I think she's a nice voice of reason.
09:24I love that she's a vault.
09:26I love that she's so loyal to Liam, but she also can be real with Liam and give him good
09:29advice, et cetera.
09:30So I don't know.
09:31I like Kendall.
09:31I hope that they utilize her even more in the next season.
09:34I know.
09:35I need that too.
09:36And also we get Candy next week.
09:37Oh my God.
09:38Yes.
09:38I'm so excited to see Candy with Riley talking about this.
09:41Obviously not talking about something fun, but we just love Candy on our screen.
09:44In any capacity.
09:45Yeah.
09:45Even if she's talking about her sad divorce from Todd Tunger.
09:48I don't know if she was that sad about that.
09:50Actually.
09:50She seemed fine.
09:51She seemed totally fine.
09:52Candy's good.
09:53Candy seems okay.
09:54Yeah.
09:54She's still having her candy coat at night.
09:56Yeah.
09:56Candy's good.
09:57But that's going to be exciting.
09:58I know.
09:59It should be really good.
09:59But as finale we saw, it looks like they did film Charlie and Ariana doing a little kiss
10:04that we did not fully see.
10:05Oh my God.
10:06Yeah.
10:06The cutaway definitely left me wanting more.
10:10I wanted to see it even because it's like looking at a train wreck, like a car crash.
10:13I know.
10:14Can't look away from it.
10:15Even Ariana before she started her confessional was doing the sign of the cross.
10:17Oh yeah.
10:18Baby.
10:19Kiss and Charlie, you've never needed Jesus more.
10:22Mm-hmm.
10:23There were so many different things going through my head.
10:25God forgive me.
10:27God forgive me.
10:29God forgive me.
10:31I do want to shout out Rowan really quickly for stealing or not stealing, but she took
10:37the rotisserie chicken.
10:38She did.
10:39She did.
10:39And she was really excited about that.
10:41And it's just as someone who also loves a rotisserie chicken, I felt very connected.
10:43My only thought was if I was in her car.
10:46Oh, because the thing about a rotisserie chicken is they're delicious, but in an enclosed environment,
10:51they do smell like a big fat f***ing fart.
10:52You taste it first with your nose.
10:54Yeah.
10:54No, it definitely gives fart energy.
10:56And I'm a vegetarian, so I don't want the fart.
10:58Right.
10:59So I would not have, I loved, we chatted with Rowan recently.
11:02I would have loved to gab with her on our drive home.
11:03I could not be in the rotisserie chicken car.
11:05Yeah.
11:06I actually probably would have been in Gia's car going home a day early.
11:08Yeah, she had to get out of there.
11:09She was going to the Turks and Caicos.
11:11You know, she was so pissed that she's like, I'm driving home with Charlie and Georgia.
11:15Because you know, when you offer someone like, oh, I'm heading out now if anybody wants
11:17to take my car.
11:18She's like, Charlie and Georgia?
11:21Charlie and Georgia, who can't seem to not go home together after cast trips.
11:25But also, it happened in 0.2 seconds.
11:27Gia bought something at Shai's pop-up.
11:29She did?
11:30Yes!
11:31Wait, I missed that.
11:31Do you know what she bought?
11:32I think, I didn't see, but she, I think, I think I heard him say, oh my God, thank you
11:36for buying something, Gia.
11:37I love the progress they've made as friends after Gia decided without any reason at all
11:41to hate Shai.
11:43And now they seem cool with each other.
11:44Well, and also because she defended him when Georgia called him a clown.
11:47That's so true.
11:47She was like, a clown is not a compliment.
11:48And she also didn't understand Jester versus Gesture, which I kind of love.
11:54It was giving Teresa energy and I love that.
11:57I did love it.
11:57I love it.
11:58But yet, next week is the finale of Next Gen NYC.
12:00I'm kind of sad.
12:01Aim to this.
12:01Because this has been a good-ass season.
12:03It ended too shortly.
12:04I'm excited for the reunion, though.
12:05I haven't seen all the reunion looks except for Ava.
12:08Ava, girl.
12:10Ava, dad.
12:11She looks incredible at the reunion.
12:14She looks so good.
12:15Holy s***.
12:16Yeah, wow.
12:17The abs are abbing.
12:18No, I need to know, did Mama Rachel Roy help do some styling consultation?
12:23Potentially.
12:24Ava does not need help, but I'm like, it was just incredible.
12:27Yeah, she looks really good.
12:29I'm like, it's a revenge dress, but she doesn't need to take revenge on anybody.
12:32I mean, you're so right.
12:33It is giving a revenge dress.
12:35This would have been a lot.
12:35What would she wear if she was scorned?
12:37No, I know, because this would have been, this is like giving like a wow moment, like
12:39Ariana Maddox or Sierra Miller energy.
12:42And yeah, I don't think she really needs revenge on anyone.
12:45But wow, Shai will certainly love it.
12:48I'm sure he did love it.
12:50Yeah.
12:50And we love it.
12:51We love it.
12:52Okay.
12:53We can't wait for the finale next week, and we will be recapping that.
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