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El senador Honorio Henríquez (Centro Democrático), presidente del Congreso, habló sobre la relación con el Gobierno y los puentes entre el presidente Abelardo de la Espriella y el exmandatario Álvaro Uribe. Dio su visión sobre el país que se heredó de Gustavo Petro. También le recordó a Salvación Nacional las posturas ideológicas que los diferencian de cara a las regionales de 2027. “Hay unos que quieren venir a desplazar a otros”, advirtió.
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00:06Hello, greetings to all the viewers of El Espectador who are joining us for this episode of Interviews.
00:13El Espectador. I am Daniel Valero, the political editor of this publishing house and in this
00:19On this occasion we are in the Congress of the Republic because the president of Congress, the senator
00:24Honorio Enrique, from the Democratic Center, is with us for complex, difficult days.
00:31Well, let's talk about politics. Senator and President of Congress, thank you for receiving us.
00:36Daniel, a special greeting to you, to the entire team, and I'm pleased to be with you.
00:42Thank you very much, Mr. President. And well, you're always a very frank person. Let's begin.
00:46From the beginning, just over a month now. How has the management of... gone? Well, this is big.
00:53Good, good, with a lot of commitment. The country faces some complex issues, the earthquake that has
01:02Destroyed many regions of the country, its infrastructure and more, and hit families hard,
01:06Solidarity with them, those who are not with us today, may God have them in his holy place
01:13Kingdom and to the family, all our support and solidarity. Our commitment always to the
01:18Colombian nation, without forgetting the other issues, such as the health crisis, the crisis
01:23energy, security problems, extortion, in short, a series of issues that are
01:29those that we Colombians must address. And as I said, from the position of the president of the
01:34republic and my own here as president of the Senate, is to collectively build solutions in
01:39through the differences that will benefit all Colombians.
01:43You are also known as a sort of mediator, a chancellor, they even say
01:48some members of Congress, and has been organizing dialogues with ministries of labor, with
01:53Health, you mentioned it. How has that been reflected in this past month and a half?
01:58Who is leading the legislature?
01:59Well, the idea is to generate a dynamic, as I say, of seeking consensus, of agreements,
02:05by listening to each other. If you have a disagreement with someone, how do you resolve it? By talking.
02:10Of course. That's the civilized thing to do, what all Colombians should do. And not per se because
02:18Even if we have differences, I do it, I do it, because we have to search amidst independence
02:23of powers, how we reach consensus and how we reach agreements, respecting each other,
02:27what the political constitution establishes as functions, but also in principle
02:31of harmonious collaboration. The fact that we are independent does not mean that
02:37Let's not coordinate the solutions we need to find for all Colombians. I...
02:41I have met with the Courts, with the Council of State, with the Constitutional Court, with the
02:45Supreme Court, against the prosecutors, the public prosecutor, obviously with the ministries, always looking for,
02:53listening to each other to find those solutions. And I have invited, starting from the bench of
03:00Democratic Center to all ministers and we are on a regular, weekly agenda,
03:06We do it constantly. We do it morning, noon, and even afternoon, listening to them, how they've found
03:13their portfolios, but also us expressing our concerns and worries to them.
03:18To close this chapter, management, and move on to other topics, tell us when you say you have found
03:23Some concerns, but also some proposals; what would you say to the audiences of
03:27Viewer? The two or three key issues you mention, look, discuss these with the ministers.
03:31Let's see, the issue of health, for example, there's a financial deficit in health matters, all of them
03:37We know where we've come from, but specifically and concretely we're looking for solutions. I already know.
03:42I eradicated a bill that allows the home of Colombians who have been prescribed [drugs/medication]
03:47or prescribed medications, which require them to use medicine, have the medicine delivered to their doorstep.
03:51And with that, the famous earring fiasco will be over. It's just that Colombians, while you and I are...
03:56In this interview, there are many looking for medical appointments, they don't get the appointment, they give
04:01It's a piece of jewelry that on the Caribbean coast they call the earring piece. And then they have to
04:05They go, they go for the appointment, they don't get the appointment, they get the slip of paper for the pending matter, they have to come back.
04:11Once they receive him, they tell him, well, come on, you turned out to be hypertensive, you have to
04:15to take medication. Then they tell him, go and get the medication. There is no medication.
04:21Another pending item for medications. So that's what comes out of the dialogue with
04:27the community, regarding my Senate campaign, which I fulfilled, I tangled up my words and
04:32I already scrapped the bill to have medicines delivered to people's doorsteps
04:36of Colombians, especially older adults.
04:38Sure, sure.
04:39They receive their subsidy and have to spend it on transportation looking for a medical appointment or the
04:44medicine. That has to stop.
04:46And does it have the backing of the Ministry of Health?
04:47I mentioned it to the minister, she thought it was a good idea and it's already underway.
04:52in the seventh committee, and we hope they will discuss it. I say, let's support good initiatives.
04:56We shouldn't oppose good initiatives; we should support them.
04:59Regarding the Ministry of Labor, they also discussed in preparation for this interview that
05:03You wanted to open a great dialogue in terms of artificial intelligence.
05:07Yes, I believe the country is overdue in addressing the issue of artificial intelligence.
05:11They have been done like brushstrokes, but look at their true impact, their implications.
05:16Remember, this week we opened the world with these news stories, all the major newspapers
05:21The world opened up with the impact of artificial intelligence; how far will this dispute go?
05:26What is happening between the United States and China, and whether we put a stop to it or not?
05:30Or we go into a process where whoever bids the most and whoever gets the most, and we have to
05:36looking at the implications of artificial intelligence, but especially in two areas,
05:41its social impact and on the labor market, what disciplines, what careers, what professions,
05:49What activities will it displace and how are we going to face that reality that I see is already there.
05:56You also said in the Second Committee, with this I conclude the management issues,
06:00that more money is needed for security.
06:03Are we underfunded?
06:05Yes, in security, in health. Let's see, what have we found? The vast majority of portfolios
06:11And some sectors have a deficit, and that deficit is budgetary. When you look
06:16The justice branch has a budget deficit. They need around 14 billion.
06:2115 trillion to operate. I think we're getting to about 10 trillion and justice.
06:27It's fundamental in a country. When you look at the issue of health, there's a deficit in the budget.
06:33The applicant has a significant deficit. We can help; we've submitted a proposal.
06:39But I also know how short-sighted we are in terms of budget. The same thing is happening in defense.
06:46There we supported a proposal for 15 trillion. I supported it, my party supported it, and presented it.
06:55hoping that the government itself is aware of this and allocates those funds.
06:59Because security is a fundamental value. Without security, it's very difficult to achieve
07:04another type of value and another type of structural issues. So, we do it based on a criterion
07:10of responsibility. Hopefully it will be fulfilled, and if it isn't, well, we'll leave the record there.
07:14that we are looking after the safety of Colombians, but we also strive
07:18For the health of Colombians. That's why we also signed a proposal to that effect.
07:23a significant amount. And there's the Democratic Center, which is the party I represent.
07:28but also as president of Congress, emphasizing the needs we have
07:33Colombians. And there's an issue we can't ignore.
07:36Which one, please?
07:36The topic of the El Niño phenomenon and energy.
07:40And the possible blackout.
07:42The possible blackout. On the Caribbean coast, where we have electricity and air,
07:46We also have a budget deficit. They must find a way to make it by February.
07:51between affina and air, air 1.7, 1.6 trillion, air affina the same, 1.3, 1.4 trillion.
08:02I want to emphasize that we warned that resources were needed immediately.
08:09And the national government has echoed this and allocated the first 300 billion.
08:14for the operation, or rather to inject those resources into the Caribbean energy system
08:20Colombian. But the issue is fundamental. The issue requires us to review the losses.
08:24It is up to us to review the modernization, it is up to us to look at something that is fundamental.
08:29Why aren't households provided with basic necessities, for example?
08:33A refrigerator, a fan that is energy-efficient to help?
08:37But look how complex things are. The El Niño phenomenon, if it occurs,
08:43As the experts say, it's going to be something...
08:45Super strong.
08:46They're even talking about the super kid. If we don't address this properly, starting by saving water now...
08:51And energy, the issue is going to be very complicated for the Colombian Caribbean, adding to the problem
08:57that we have from the crisis in our system like affinity and air. But here we must highlight
09:04Something. The system was supposed to inject between 200,000 and 250,000 kilowatts. That didn't happen.
09:10The issue of concessions in the areas of exploration, gas, etc., has been put on hold.
09:18So these are structural issues that are affecting the sectors,
09:21But one cannot cry over spilled milk, as the DEA says.
09:26but to act, to find solutions. And that's what we're doing. And that's what we're doing from our role as congressmen.
09:31If we can support the national government, we will do so with the greatest pleasure and the greatest responsibility.
09:37That's what I wanted to get to now. How is the relationship with the government? That's public knowledge.
09:42It didn't start easily, it was fixed, but it's like going back and forth, back and forth.
09:47Well, that's just part of the job. You're probably referring to my election as president.
09:52Also, and other debate processes.
09:53That's something you achieve in a democracy. I think Colombians already understand this.
09:58Here, tradition and customary law dictate that the majority government bloc
10:03She is the one who should preside over the first year. And in that sense, then, a variable was presented
10:08And that variable, in the end, the votes said something else and today we are presiding.
10:14Among others, I have the best relationship with the person who wanted to run for president in the first year.
10:20I have a problem with the government. I'm in dialogue with President Abelardo de las Pliegas.
10:24He is a receptive man, he listens, and he is also a man who is willing to work.
10:30And he has proven it in these past few months. He is a very active man and has our full support.
10:37back.
10:38Our caucus was the first to say so. We support President Abelardo's government.
10:42in everything that serves and benefits Colombians. And that's not something we're going to do, I would say.
10:51to not keep our word. We honor our word and we will continue to do so, and we have been doing so.
10:57And along those same lines, do you already know what the government's legislative priorities are?
11:01Have they been socialized?
11:02The government was supposed to act this week, but they postponed it. We're waiting for them to take the necessary steps.
11:08to eradicate his legislative package. We haven't gone into detail, but we're here to welcome him.
11:16to debate, to give him the guarantees, as I have always said.
11:19Here, the parties have the guarantee, those that are independent of the opposition or of the government.
11:24And obviously the government itself has the guarantees that this will be debated here.
11:29I am responsible for the Congress of the Republic, we will do it, for the Senate, giving guarantees to all.
11:34How is the relationship with the Minister of the Interior, Rodrigo Lara, going?
11:38Okay, yesterday I was talking to Minister Rodrigo. Let me tell you, we were going to have a meeting.
11:42with the parliamentary group last night, but we had the motion of censure against the Minister of Defense,
11:48It was delayed, so we postponed it; I think it's scheduled for next Wednesday.
11:51And Minister Lara knows me and is aware of my democratic character, and here we are with an open-door policy.
11:57to listen, to debate and to propose solutions to Colombians.
12:02You once said in this same Congress, if the ministers don't come, the debates don't happen.
12:08They are listening to him.
12:09Undoubtedly because it is in compliance with the fifth law.
12:12I am a guarantor of rights and they have to come here to have the debates and I want to tell you, they have come.
12:17The ministers, including the Minister of Defense, have been present on the Second Committee, of which I am a member.
12:21the chancellor when they have been summoned.
12:23And I have to emphasize that because in the recent past it was very difficult for ministers
12:27attend the committees or sessions of Congress.
12:31The Minister of Sport and the Minister of Health have been present at the Seventh Commission.
12:36I see a good willingness on the part of the ministers to attend the Congress of the Republic
12:41And that's what it's about, that each of us fulfills our roles.
12:45And I want to acknowledge the government's full willingness and the ministers' cooperation.
12:52to be here in the Congress of the Republic and of the Colombians.
12:54Is there still a honeymoon?
12:57I don't usually bring up the issue of public administration responsibilities,
13:02of the Constitution and the law, whether or not they are honeymoons.
13:06What I mean is that the established functions must be fulfilled.
13:11in the Colombian political Constitution and law, and in that sense act under the responsibility
13:16that each one is responsible for.
13:18You also mentioned that you speak frequently with the president of ESPRE,
13:21How often do you talk to him now? What do you two talk about?
13:23No, I'm not going to say that we talk every day either.
13:25But when I have an idea or a concern, I write it down and he is very receptive.
13:30And vice versa, I really have to tell you, he is a president very open to dialogue
13:38And I can tell you that from all my experience and my career in the field of public administration,
13:45Álvaro Uribe is the one who has listened to Colombians the most.
13:48And I see President Abelardo of ESPRE already with a significant dialogue option
13:53And personally, I have to say, he has been very receptive.
13:58He just said that President Álvaro Uribe is the one who has listened to Colombians the most.
14:02Could ESPRE suddenly become like that?
14:04Remember that President Uribe had something that, for me, is fundamental in the area of public administration.
14:10And that's where we Colombians need to go, to recover what was once a permanent and constant dialogue with the
14:15community
14:15And remember those workshops where the country was built,
14:19where solutions for Colombians were collectively built.
14:22I remember my city, in Santa Marta,
14:25President Uribe would go, and those were sessions that were supposed to last 3 or 4 hours.
14:29And that lasted all day and into the night.
14:32Wherever I listened to the community, the community spoke of security, of needs, of the railway field.
14:38Listen, I'm surprised and I'm going to stop on the tracks.
14:41We in the department of Magdalena make the largest investment in roads
14:45We have had them since the Álvaro Uribe Vélez government.
14:47And the dual carriageway that was supposed to connect Ciénega with the port,
14:51It did not continue to develop until the government of Álvaro Uribe Vélez.
14:54Colombia needs to move forward, it needs to transform, it needs to produce.
14:58But all of this is achieved when you are willing to engage in dialogue.
15:01Listen to the community and the willingness to solve community problems.
15:05That's a good model, it's a model that should be applied.
15:08I see President Abelardo focused on the issue of security,
15:12listening and producing results.
15:14This should be the case for each of the posters.
15:17In other words, there's a good relationship.
15:20Yes, it's undeniable, there's a good relationship, it's palpable, it's visible
15:23And one has to say things as they are.
15:25That also leads me to ask you now, you mentioned both names,
15:29Álvaro Uribe and Abelardo de la Espire, and you know them both.
15:33Is that relationship between the two of them calmer now?
15:38They talk, they are friends, they are like-minded,
15:42They profess the same principles, the same values, the same ideology.
15:46Both are democrats and both hold firm, radical positions.
15:54Principles such as safety, which is a foundational value.
15:57Look at what the government of Álvaro Uribe Vélez was like,
16:00How he rescued the Colombian nation, how he got us out.
16:03We were kidnapped in the cities,
16:05We couldn't leave our cities.
16:08In the department of Magdalena you were leaving from the capital Santa Marta
16:11and he passed through Ciénega and was already at risk of being kidnapped.
16:14It was called the ecological walk, they led it,
16:17But that trip didn't have a return date,
16:20You didn't know if they would let you return or not.
16:23Remember those caravans, experience Colombia, travel through it,
16:26which was practically liberating or restoring freedom to the Colombian people.
16:32And I see President Abelardo de la Espire on the same page.
16:36in matters of security dedicated to the safety of Colombians.
16:39So there I see one, two Democrats in their styles,
16:43but also working for the well-being of Colombia,
16:47These are important decisions, fundamental to the well-being of the nation.
16:52Would you invite them to meet in front of the public as well?
16:57so that this sense is reinforced?
16:59Let's see, remember the position of the President of the Republic on August 7th.
17:02I have proposed a dialogue, and the dialogue must be between all sectors.
17:06among all the branches,
17:07so that, amidst our differences, we can collectively build solutions.
17:10And they are kindred spirits, they are of the same lineage.
17:14In fact, President Abelardo was elected by our grassroots members,
17:17It is elected with our votes,
17:19It is chosen with the people who have always thought about and supported President Álvaro Uribe Vélez.
17:24Because?
17:25Because he knew how to interpret,
17:27He knew how to convey and capture the feelings of the Colombian people.
17:30which has been aligned with our theses, with our ideas,
17:33to our ideological foundations,
17:35which are the same bases as President Álvaro Uribe Vélez.
17:38Could that general dialogue include former president Gustavo Petro?
17:42Anyone who wants to engage in dialogue is welcome to do so.
17:45Dialogue that produces results, that produces agreements,
17:48that produces consensus, but I'm the one saying it.
17:50Yeah.
17:50You need to ask the actors you're mentioning.
17:53So, taking advantage of this,
17:55Would you invite, through the viewer Uribe, the star Petro,
17:58Hey, can you sit down?
17:59I invite Álvaro Uribe, Abelardo de las Previas, president,
18:04to Gustavo Petro and all Colombians
18:07so that we can engage in dialogue to produce results that benefit the entire nation.
18:12And to close this chapter on politics as well,
18:15Why does National Salvation criticize President Uribe so much?
18:19Help us understand that.
18:21Sometimes the tree that bears the most fruit is the one that gets the most stones thrown at it.
18:27But when one is going to talk about a rival, an adversary,
18:31He must do it in accordance with the truth, adhering to the truth.
18:36I was thinking about it the other day,
18:40Who was the man who served as a bulwark?
18:43to the socialist left of the Latin American continent?
18:46Álvaro Uribe Vélez.
18:48He fought like a lion, he fought like a bee,
18:52defending democracy, institutions, and freedom,
18:55investor confidence, social cohesion, an austere state,
18:59but the defense of nations and democracy.
19:02Remember, when the bombing in Ecuador,
19:06What did Álvaro Uribe Vélez do?
19:07He faced the situation head-on.
19:10and he fought there with Ortega, with Chávez,
19:15with all the left-wing presidents.
19:19So, he came to say things that are not from Álvaro Uribe Vélez,
19:23when that is the man who is most steadfast,
19:26who has brought the most dedication to the Colombian nation
19:29in matters of defending democracy,
19:31of institutions and security.
19:33Whether Uribe is left-wing or right-wing,
19:36Uribe is a complete democrat,
19:38a democrat who defends basic principles,
19:43the values,
19:44who is a man who acts with complete attachment
19:46to the political constitution and the laws.
19:48So, when one is going to talk about the other,
19:49He must speak the truth, he must speak reality.
19:52and based on the facts.
19:54Facts are stubborn.
19:55There are some undeniable realities there.
19:57of a man who has been recognized.
20:01I even remember,
20:02the President of the United States,
20:04the current and previous ones,
20:06the current Secretary of State
20:09and the previous ones,
20:11recognizing Álvaro Uribe Vélez
20:13like the great man.
20:13In fact, many have called it that.
20:15the great Colombian,
20:16a great leader.
20:17For me, the political figure
20:19of the Colombian nation
20:21since I can remember.
20:23But I persist with the question, Mr. President,
20:25Why then were these attacks?
20:26of national salvation,
20:27if you yourself said
20:28that represent almost the same thing?
20:30Salvation does not represent
20:32just like us.
20:34National Salvation and Democratic Center
20:35They are different.
20:36I'm talking about the figure
20:36from President Abelardo de las Priegas,
20:38who is a man
20:39of the principles
20:40that institutionalized
20:42in this country
20:43to Álvaro Uribe Vélez,
20:44which is security,
20:45of investor confidence,
20:46that of social cohesion,
20:47that of social cohesion,
20:47that of social cohesion.
20:48If you look,
20:49It's the same thing they proposed
20:50on the campaign trail.
20:51It's the same thing.
20:52That's why they collected
20:53those bases.
20:55National Salvation,
20:56You have to ask them.
20:57I think it is
20:58a little bit of nostalgia
21:00wanting to be and to resemble
21:01to whom they have not been able to be
21:02nor resemble.
21:03Will there be interest?
21:04there, like through the regional ones
21:06or something like that?
21:06That's why I'm telling you,
21:07an interest in wanting to be
21:09or resemble
21:10to whom they have not been able to be
21:11nor resemble.
21:13It could be a strategy,
21:14but even
21:16when you design
21:17those strategies
21:18must be based
21:18in truth,
21:19in reality.
21:20And the Colombians
21:21They are intelligent,
21:22Colombians
21:23they think,
21:23they analyze
21:24and they know who it is
21:26Álvaro Uribe Vélez
21:27and what does it represent?
21:27the Democratic Center.
21:28While we
21:30we were here
21:30giving the fight,
21:33taking care of the system
21:34health
21:34of the Colombians,
21:35giving the fight
21:36because of the labor reform,
21:37for safety,
21:38by the institutions,
21:39so that Colombia
21:40if there were elections,
21:41Where were those
21:42who speak today
21:43of the Democratic Center?
21:44Many even
21:45molting
21:46of those who today
21:47They criticize.
21:48Us
21:49firmly,
21:50with conviction,
21:51with ideology
21:52well-founded,
21:53based,
21:53approved,
21:54but with complete consistency
21:56giving the fight.
21:57We got it here,
21:58we were the opposition
22:00at a cost
22:03immense,
22:04at a cost
22:04incalculable.
22:06Remember
22:06that even
22:07They murdered us
22:08to one of our figures
22:09who aspired
22:10to the presidency
22:10of the Republic,
22:11Miguel Uribe Turbay.
22:13Then it was
22:14this match
22:14and this match
22:15cannot tolerate
22:16point it out to him
22:17of what it is not.
22:18That's why we need to act.
22:19coherently,
22:20with respect,
22:21with respect
22:22by the adversary,
22:23but that it be respected
22:24the truth
22:25and the truth
22:26it is only one
22:26And there it is.
22:27and it is irrefutable.
22:28The right
22:28It is divided,
22:29president?
22:31I wouldn't speak
22:32of divisions,
22:33I think they are positions
22:34and there are some
22:35who want to come
22:36to displace others,
22:37But I insist,
22:38That's where the work is,
22:39There is reality,
22:40The facts are there.
22:40And that is undeniable.
22:42The Democratic Center
22:43What are you going to do?
22:44between now and 2027?
22:45I ask him about his party
22:46also in political terms,
22:48seeking governorships,
22:49mayors,
22:49What is your party going to do?
22:50Work on what we know
22:52to do with our communities,
22:54speaking to them,
22:54proposing,
22:55looking for solutions,
22:57there we have presented
22:58a legislative package
23:00interesting,
23:00broad,
23:01but also dialogue
23:02constant with the communities
23:03And that's the vision.
23:05from our leader,
23:06of our party
23:07And we're going all out.
23:08dedication
23:09and firmness
23:10because of the elections
23:11of 2027,
23:14looking to win us over
23:15more spaces,
23:16to win the heart
23:17of the Colombians,
23:18but giving them solutions
23:19especially in social matters
23:21from here,
23:22from Congress
23:22of the Republic
23:23to the Colombians.
23:24Could that do it?
23:25that they join
23:26with the groups
23:27of the president
23:28de la Espriella
23:28Since they are so similar?
23:30Let's see,
23:31we propose
23:33to our leaders
23:34in the regions
23:34and all those
23:35who wants to join
23:36welcome,
23:38I insist
23:38And I'm not going to stop.
23:39to say it
23:40for collective construction
23:41of solutions
23:42and of realities
23:43that benefit
23:43to the Colombians.
23:44President,
23:45and two final questions.
23:46A,
23:46after a month
23:48and a few days
23:49government
23:50Does the country see
23:51distinct
23:52to what there had
23:52before August 7th?
23:54Let's see,
23:55the government
23:55at dawn
23:56dawn
23:57of the first day
23:58of the day
23:59skilled worker
24:00is found
24:01with an earthquake,
24:02It changes his schedule,
24:03But I have to say
24:04that the government
24:05it overturned
24:06immediately
24:07to attend
24:07that tragedy
24:09that we live today
24:10Colombians
24:11with dedication,
24:13with effort,
24:13coherently.
24:15I hope
24:15that consolidate
24:16in the census
24:16of needs
24:17so that they can
24:18solve the problems,
24:19It's not easy at all,
24:21have created
24:22the background
24:22that they called
24:23the miracle fund,
24:24that fund
24:25to help solve
24:26the problems
24:26without forgetting
24:28of the other topics
24:29that I already mentioned to you,
24:30the issue of security,
24:31the topic of health,
24:32the subject of the innumerable
24:34problems that today
24:35They're already complaining
24:35to the Colombians,
24:36That's what I see.
24:38an active government,
24:40dedicated,
24:41I see some ministers
24:42working,
24:43I see some ministers
24:44dedicated to providing
24:45solutions
24:46And that's where
24:47we have
24:48accompanied
24:48coherently
24:49absolute
24:50to the government.
24:51And the question
24:52The ending is almost obvious,
24:53president,
24:54Do you think that
24:55This is the roof
24:56in his political career
24:57or we'll see
24:58in ballot boxes
24:58in other spaces?
25:00God is the one who decides,
25:01I am simply
25:02a server
25:03and where he deems appropriate
25:04convenient and necessary
25:05that I can be,
25:06I'll be there
25:07at your service
25:08from my country.
25:09I mean,
25:09politics here
25:10forwards.
25:11Where God
25:12wherever I may be,
25:13We are here now
25:15in the Senate,
25:15We are in the presidency
25:16of the Senate,
25:18working with a lot
25:19dedication,
25:19as if it were
25:20the first day
25:21and the first position
25:22that I had
25:22responsibility
25:23against the Colombians,
25:24Because that's how we have to face it.
25:25responsibility
25:26of the public sphere.
25:27President,
25:28thank you so much
25:28for these minutes
25:29for El Espectador.
25:30No,
25:30to you,
25:31to the whole team
25:31from El Espectador,
25:32to you in particular
25:33and to those who see us
25:34through written means,
25:36but also on television
25:37and social media,
25:40all my affection,
25:41all the dedication
25:42and many blessings
25:43for everyone.
25:44Thank you,
25:44president,
25:45and to you too
25:45Thank you for joining us
25:47and until next time
25:48in this space
25:49which is called
25:49Interviews in El Espectador.
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