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00:00Now the Los Angeles Rams are back.
00:03Kansas City Chiefs are back.
00:06The Rams took a week off and now they're back
00:08after everybody wondered what was wrong with them.
00:12So now the Bills have some measuring sticks
00:15because they lost one in the New England Patriots, it seems.
00:20Patriots are going to have to do more than beat the Pittsburgh Steelers
00:23to reclaim their...
00:26Rightful place in the conversation?
00:28Not even rightful.
00:30That's wrong.
00:30To prove that they belong in the conversation.
00:32The idea that the Bills have to worry about these guys.
00:36I know you've been leading that parade for a while,
00:39but the Patriots did not bounce back from Week 1
00:43like the Rams bounced back from Week 1.
00:46We talked about it yesterday on WGR Middays
00:49driven by Northtown Auto with Brad, Tim, and Owen.
00:53Sometimes we're just going to say BTO, right?
00:56Especially Brad, Tim, and Owen, and then we've got to say
00:59but Brad's not here.
01:00It's very rarely Brad, Tim, and Owen at the same time.
01:03Right.
01:04And then two hours from now it'll be Brad, Tim, and Owen, but minus Tim.
01:08Yeah, we're working on it.
01:09It's clunky.
01:10There's too many words.
01:10People know what BTO means.
01:13Too many words.
01:15The Rams looked like the Rams again.
01:18Aaron Donald.
01:19Boy, if the trade with Cleveland to bring Miles Garrett
01:23does nothing but get Aaron Donald out of retirement
01:26and then Miles Garrett never plays for the Rams ever again.
01:29They did fine.
01:30Then that's a good trade for the Rams.
01:33You lose Jared Verge, you add Aaron Donald.
01:36I would, just judging by what they were showing on television,
01:39did you see his wife and kids were there?
01:41Yes.
01:43I would offer, if I'm a college, I would offer both of them.
01:47They have the same face as Aaron Donald,
01:49and I know it's going to be 10 to 12 years before they show up.
01:53The intensity on their faces as they watch the Rams play
01:57just up in the suite, I would offer them right now.
02:01If I'm UB, I'm making an offer to those guys for 11 years from now.
02:05With what's going on in college football,
02:08LSU could have offered Aaron Donald six months ago.
02:11That's right.
02:12Two weeks ago.
02:12And had a chance to get him out on the field.
02:14All they needed was a court order,
02:16and they probably would have gotten it.
02:17Do you feel better when the teams that you feel should be good teams
02:22show themselves as good teams?
02:24Because watching the Rams last night made me feel better.
02:27And I will say this, too.
02:28I think that's true.
02:29The more, and you probably did this a bunch yesterday.
02:31I wasn't here yesterday, but watching the Chiefs look like the Chiefs
02:36and even watching them win in a super weird,
02:40especially if that fumble had been called a fumble,
02:42and the game just ended on that.
02:45There is a strange piece that overcame me in that moment
02:51because I have regained my villain.
02:54It's like the Yankees.
02:55I root against the Yankees when they're in the playoffs.
02:58But why wasn't it that way when the Patriots,
03:00because it's not Tom Brady and Belichick that it was a totally different team?
03:03I'm not sure.
03:04Let me finish the Yankee point, then we'll get back to the Chiefs point,
03:07and then we'll explore the Patriots part of it.
03:11The Yankees being in the playoffs, I hate them.
03:15I don't really hate them.
03:16I don't really hate them.
03:16I don't have a real connection to any one baseball team.
03:21I just like the sport.
03:21But I know that I don't want the Yankees to win.
03:24And I root against them actively in the playoffs.
03:28And it's the first round, and they barely get through.
03:30I'm like, ugh.
03:32And then they get to the next round, and they barely get through.
03:35And then they get eliminated.
03:38And then there's a new series for me to watch, and I'm bored,
03:41because I don't have the Yankees there to root against.
03:44It's the measuring stick, that sort of thing.
03:47But it's – maybe I'm just built this way, that there's like a negative –
03:52I want to root against somebody when I'm watching.
03:54It really only applies to the Yankees, I thought.
03:56But I watch the Chiefs, and I think, damn it.
03:59You just won a game like only the Chiefs can win it.
04:02Oh, good.
04:03That's what I get to fight against.
04:05Because honestly, two weeks in, collective opinion of the NFL,
04:09after one week was, oh, the Bills are the team to beat.
04:12And then after two weeks, it's still that.
04:13And yes, they've given up 31 points on defense in both games.
04:17But the overall just sort of consensus is, look out for Buffalo.
04:23Well, I don't think the Pats are going to be a thing.
04:25The Jets look a little bit better than expected, probably.
04:27The Dolphins stink.
04:28Like, now I need rivals.
04:30And who am I – what am I doing for the next three months, four months,
04:35as I'm waiting for the playoffs and the Super Bowl?
04:37I've got to fight somebody.
04:39And seeing the Chiefs win in a stupid way the other night,
04:43I felt oddly good about it, that that thing is hanging –
04:48the Kelsey pass and cut up to Taylor Swift and Mahomes and his stupid voice
04:52and his dumb hair and my dad texting me about him, saying how he hates –
04:56all of that coming back is great.
04:57So give me that.
04:59Give me that.
04:59The Colts did not get screwed, though.
05:03In fact, the Colts got a gift.
05:05I thought that it should have been a fumble.
05:08I didn't think they'd overturn it.
05:10I didn't think so either.
05:12So to see that happen seemed like, well, are things just changing now in the NFL?
05:17And like you say, then the Chiefs won it on merit eventually.
05:20Now you could say, I disagree with what Shane Steichen did.
05:24They should have taken the ball first.
05:27I kind of disagree with that.
05:29And I'd have to do a deeper dive into the numbers.
05:31But wasn't it settled math that under this new overtime rule you're supposed to kick off?
05:38That's kind of the loose thing.
05:40And then, well, but you shouldn't do it against somebody like Patrick Mahomes.
05:43I was like, wait a minute, I thought maybe Patrick Mahomes was beatable now and all this other stuff.
05:49And the Colts were borderline unstoppable, too.
05:52I think the Colts had to look at it as, we forced a field goal on the Chiefs' first overtime
05:58series.
05:59That's a victory for us.
06:01And now they've got to stop us.
06:02Now they've got to validate.
06:03If you're in a situation where it's 4th and 8, and in the red zone, and yeah, well, maybe you
06:09go for it.
06:09I don't know.
06:11100% I go for it.
06:12100% I go for it.
06:14Why?
06:14You're never going to win that game.
06:15You're never going to win.
06:16You might miss the field goal.
06:17If you make the field goal, you're 3 minutes and 50 seconds left.
06:20But that's not what the math says.
06:21That's not what the math says.
06:23Because 4th and 8.
06:24Well, you're reading the wrong math, then.
06:25I mean, do you want to give the Chiefs, do you want to tie game, Chiefs get the ball, 3
06:30.50 left?
06:31Best I'm going to do is tie.
06:32I am never winning that football game.
06:33No, you're going to make, you have a 90% chance of making your field goal, and you probably have
06:38less than 50% chance of scoring a touchdown.
06:40So you might as well just kick your field goal.
06:42You needed the first down, though.
06:43It wasn't the fourth goal, right?
06:44Right, it was 4th and 8.
06:44Right.
06:45So you still have to then, you have to get the first down and then still score a touchdown.
06:494th and 8 is not an easy play.
06:51No, I know.
06:524th and 2, 4th and 3.
06:54No, it's not easy, but that's the situation you're in.
06:56The other option is, let's call it 100%.
07:01Take three points and give them the ball with almost four minutes left.
07:04I don't even think the Colts had a timeout, and you're dead.
07:07They need a field goal to beat you.
07:09They've got a guy who can hit from 65, no problem.
07:12They need to gain 20 yards.
07:13The Chiefs need to have four minutes to gain 20 yards to beat you.
07:16Yeah.
07:17It's just, I just think it's a, you're on the road in KC.
07:21I just think it's a terrible decision.
07:22It's not a terrible decision.
07:25I mean, you, in the moment, it was a, you're going to lose the game.
07:28You bring your kicker out on the field, you're going to lose the game.
07:30We know how this plays out.
07:32You're going to lose the game.
07:33Or maybe, best case scenario, Ty, you have a chance to declare something here and beat
07:39the Chiefs on the road.
07:41It's cowardly.
07:42It's weak.
07:43Well, maybe I could see that, but I think the math still says you're supposed to kick
07:46the field goal there.
07:47I hate the math.
07:48The math is a tool to help inform.
07:50You're going to lose the game.
07:52Right.
07:52The math says, I should do this thing that's going to make me lose.
07:54Oh, well, I got to do it because the math says it.
07:56I don't know.
07:58You and Shope should talk about this.
08:00Why?
08:00What did he say?
08:01No, I'm just saying that the math generally is what you're supposed to go with because
08:04then you're going with gut.
08:06You're a big, you're like, my gut says Patrick Mahomes is going to make us pay if we don't
08:11kick this field goal.
08:12If we have to go for it here, Patrick Mahomes is just going to make us pay.
08:15Does the math factor in that I'm playing the Chiefs and that they're trying to get back
08:20and that they missed the playoffs last year?
08:21No, the math is factoring in whether or not you're even going to convert the fourth and
08:23eight.
08:23It doesn't matter if Joe Flacco or Deshaun Watson is on the other side.
08:29It doesn't matter who's on the other side.
08:30But it does matter in real life.
08:32The math, it doesn't matter in the math.
08:35In the math, none of it matters.
08:37In real life, it does matter.
08:39Fourth and eight, let's say.
08:42I've got Josh Allen in the Bills with a full complement of receivers.
08:46Everybody is healthy.
08:47The team we're playing against is the Miami Dolphins.
08:50They're down six of their starters.
08:52That's not factored into the math.
08:53The math is everything, everywhere, ever.
08:57This is situational.
08:59Everything is situational.
09:00The math is a tool to help you make decisions about situations.
09:04And we fall too far back onto this.
09:07The math says, first of all, prove it.
09:11No, it doesn't.
09:11It tells you how things have gone in the past for teams who thought they could get fourth
09:16and eight.
09:16This argument comes up much more with like fourth and one, fourth and two, where it's
09:19like, no, the math says you have to do this.
09:21Well, the math doesn't talk about my O-line or your D-line or the weather or who's hurt
09:26or momentum or any of it or attitude or crowd noise or weather.
09:30It doesn't factor any of that in.
09:32That's right.
09:32So I go, okay, math would say, you know, I got a 30% chance of success here, except look
09:39who I've got, look who they've got, look at the situation.
09:41I think I've got a 90% chance of success here.
09:43I know I might not get it.
09:45But the math does not apply universally in the way that PFF pretends it does or that
09:51the television networks do or NextGen stats or AWS or any of that stuff.
09:55What you're saying is because of your and our, and I'm not just saying you are, because
10:00it's everybody's lens, is that we're used to seeing Patrick Mahomes win in this situation.
10:04Therefore, we should take that into account.
10:06Well, you're probably not going to convert the fourth and eight.
10:09So you're just saying, I'm going to lose the game right here.
10:12And Patrick Mahomes doesn't even have to beat us.
10:13I'm going to lose, I, the head coach of this football team, am choosing to pick a play
10:18in which we are probably going to lose.
10:20But to me, as a coach, I've got two choices.
10:23Get eight yards and maybe win, or don't get eight yards and lose.
10:28And I'm choosing to not get eight yards by kicking.
10:31You're looking at that as like a 50-50 decision.
10:33It's not.
10:33It's not like, it's not a coin flip.
10:35No, it's not a coin flip, but those are the two possibilities.
10:38If I don't get eight yards on this play, in my mind, I have lost this football game.
10:43You have lost.
10:44The game is over.
10:45It's not, they don't have to do anything else.
10:47No, you're leaving out the other part, which is where I'm choosing to not get eight yards
10:51by kicking a field goal.
10:52I can choose to not get eight yards.
10:54I'm telling you right now, if I don't get eight yards, I'm losing the game.
10:56I got two ways to not get eight yards.
10:58One is to try for the eight yards.
10:59The other is to attempt a field goal and make it or miss it.
11:02But in that moment, I will also not get eight yards.
11:04So I'm choosing one of those two ways to not get eight yards.
11:07And I'm telling you that either way, you don't get eight yards, you're losing the game.
11:10No, that's what you're saying.
11:12But there's a fact.
11:12This is like Schrodinger's cat.
11:14I don't know what that means.
11:15Well, look it up.
11:16So the thing is, is that you are, well, it is that there's something in a box.
11:21There's a cat in the box.
11:22It might be dead.
11:23It might be alive.
11:24Okay.
11:24And you only know if it's dead or alive if you look under the box.
11:28Okay.
11:28But it is factually one of those two things.
11:30Yep.
11:31It can't be something else.
11:32It has to be one or the other.
11:33Right.
11:33But as long as you don't look in the box, it's possibly both.
11:37Yes.
11:38Right.
11:38But what you're saying is if you don't kick the ball, or if you kick the ball.
11:43If I kick the ball, I've chosen to lose.
11:45No, you haven't.
11:46Yes.
11:46That's the part where you take available information and apply it to a situation.
11:50That's where you are falling down.
11:52This is like, no, you're just assuming that Patrick Mahomes is going to win the game.
11:58That's not math.
12:00That is gut.
12:01That is Patrick Mahomes is really good at football.
12:03Oh, I get that.
12:04But you were saying if I kick the field goal, I've lost the game.
12:07Now, that's eventually what happened.
12:09Right.
12:09But things had, there was a circumstance.
12:10As the prophecy foretold.
12:12Yeah, right.
12:12It was so easy to see that.
12:15Do you want to win the game?
12:15You better go for it.
12:16Right.
12:16If you'd like to lose the game, whatever you want to do, kneel down, kick, leave the building,
12:21any of that is you not getting the eight yards and therefore you losing.
12:24I make it, to me, if I'm the coach, and that's why we hire people, not robots, to coach games,
12:30because if it comes down to a situation, I have to go,
12:33all right, best case scenario, worst case scenario, my best percentage here, if I'd like to win,
12:38would be this.
12:39I get what you're saying, but you're getting there in a totally crazy way.
12:44To say that if you kick the field goal, you've lost the game is the same as going for it
12:48and
12:49not getting the eight yards you've lost.
12:50No.
12:50You have factually lost the game.
12:52The referee ends the game if you don't get eight yards.
12:55The game is over.
12:56You kick the field goal.
12:57The game still continues.
12:58Patrick Mahomes still has to do something.
13:01Mm-hmm.
13:02And you are just saying, Patrick Mahomes is that good, and he's going to do it.
13:06Right.
13:07So that's why you're the human being in the role to say, this is what makes most sense
13:12to us in our situation.
13:14It's not a math equation.
13:16It's a life equation.
13:17It's a situational decision.
13:19And if you take all the information in and process it, and I'm not saying if you're the
13:23head coach, if you're Shane Steichen, I'm not saying you've got that same thought process.
13:26I'm telling you, if I'm the head coach, that is my thought process.
13:29If I don't get eight yards, I lose.
13:30So I'm going to try to get eight yards and win.
13:33And if I don't get it, I'm out.
13:35Or I'll lose the other way and kick the field goal and let them go down and get three points
13:39in four minutes.
13:40If we don't get this eight yards right here, we are probably losing the game.
13:44Because, well, no.
13:45We lost.
13:45Right.
13:46We have lost.
13:47But I'm probably not going to get eight yards.
13:49Probably.
13:50I mean, I'll have to find it.
13:52But we flew all the way here, and all our friends are here, and we put the shirts on,
13:55and the cleats, and they've got the lights on, and the scoreboard.
13:58It's on television.
13:59We're here.
13:59This is the moment.
14:00All right, defense, go make a stop.
14:01Good luck.
14:02Okay.
14:03Well, that's your, you know, that's, you're just, I just think it's so flippant.
14:08It's not, though.
14:09If I were the coach, I'm making the decision trying to win the game.
14:11That is the decision to make.
14:13That's the, in my mind.
14:14I'm not saying I'm right.
14:15I'm saying that would be my thought process, and I completely disagree with Shane Steichen
14:20in that moment.
14:21If you're, this is the opportunity.
14:23Hit it.
14:24It's, you get, uh.
14:25No, you blew it by getting to fourth and eight.
14:27But once you're at fourth and eight, I think you should kick the field goal.
14:30I agree with Shane Steichen.
14:32Cool.
14:32He blew it.
14:33You lose like the Chiefs, or like the Colts do.
14:35You lose in that situation.
14:37This is not like revisionist history.
14:38I'm looking at it going, what are you doing?
14:40This is cowardly.
14:41We'll take the three.
14:42Well, you turned out to be right.
14:44Right.
14:44You turned out to be right.
14:46But there was no, there was no guarantee that you were going to be right.
14:48You're acting as though there's a guarantee that.
14:50I'm acting as though we would be talking about an insane finish.
14:55If they kicked the field goal and won that game, it would be one of the crazy, the only
14:59way for it to go down would be insane.
15:01Sure.
15:01So, the only way I'm winning this game is insane.
15:06Or, I can try to get eight yards, which is not insane.
15:09It's not insane to pick up eight yards.
15:11And then I still have to get in, yeah, but I'm running clock, I'm going to make sure that
15:14even if I tie it, they're not going to have time to, you needed the eight yards.
15:18You needed the eight yards unless you were in love with a tie and thought that a tie would
15:21be a, you know, a masterful performance on the road.
15:24What a good topic yesterday.
15:26There's no, well, I wasn't here yesterday.
15:27I had to do stuff.
15:29What'd you have going on?
15:30I played in a golf tournament.
15:32What happened?
15:32Was it a good one?
15:33Yeah, it was a great one.
15:35But it's the first time I played golf all year.
15:38I agreed to play in this charity tournament yesterday, benefiting the Dombrowski Impact Foundation
15:46dealing with Spina Bifida at Golisano Children's Hospital in Buffalo.
15:50They have a Spina Bifida Clinic and it's funding that.
15:53It's super cool.
15:53Well, I've played golf twice in the last two years and it's this exact tournament each
15:57of the last two years.
15:58So we finally start the show last Monday.
16:02I was like, that's awesome.
16:02We've locked it in.
16:03I can't be here Friday or Monday.
16:05So I've missed two of the first six shows, but I'll be here most of the time.
16:11I was hoping you were going to keep talking so I could see if ChatGPT can tell me what
16:15the percentage is of converting a fourth and eight.
16:19But the overall concept here is what is the percentage of converting a fourth and eight when you are the
16:23Colts.
16:2439.4%.
16:25But that's all of football ever.
16:27You have to factor in personnel and situations.
16:31I was watching the game.
16:33I mean, I felt I didn't.
16:35I don't disagree with Shane Steichen's decision, but you are like so over the top, like it
16:40was absolutely the wrong call to make and he should be fired today.
16:44I don't need to fire him.
16:45It's not my team.
16:45I don't care.
16:46Lose every week.
16:47Go ahead.
16:47Keep trotting him out.
16:48I hope you make that decision against Josh Allen.
16:50Picture Josh Allen and the Bills on the other side of that equation.
16:53Well, wait.
16:54How can you care so much if he does or doesn't go for it?
16:56And now you don't care if he, but you don't care if he should.
16:58I care about the overall concept that you're telling me.
17:01Wait a minute.
17:02I'm not joking here.
17:03Something's, do you smell that?
17:05He is joking here.
17:06I assure you he's joking.
17:07Dan, what is the chance that he's not joking here?
17:09I swear on my son's eyes.
17:12I'm not joking.
17:13I smell something.
17:13Oh, if he's swearing on his son's eyes, I don't think I can.
17:16You don't smell that?
17:17I, somebody's toasting a bagel or is a bag of, a whole box of bagels?
17:21I'm not trying.
17:22No.
17:22I'm not trying.
17:23Is it burning?
17:23Do you smell burning?
17:25It smells, maybe I'm having a stroke.
17:26I smell it.
17:27No, it smells like a, like there's a bagel in the toaster.
17:30If it's burnt toast, we might have to call an ambulance.
17:32I don't think a bagel in the toaster is worthy of stop-depressant.
17:34Yeah, it's a pleasant, it's not an unpleasant smell.
17:37Do you smell something unpleasant?
17:38Yeah, it doesn't smell great.
17:40All right.
17:41I give you permission to walk away, open the door and see if it smells more over there if
17:44you walk out.
17:45Because if it smells more over there, that's, that's toast.
17:47Oh, you're giving me permission now.
17:49I'm saying you can walk away.
17:50You can walk away from, because we're on video.
17:54I don't know if this shows.
17:57That's, that's a bagel in a toaster.
17:59I don't smell it out there.
18:00What are you talking about?
18:03I don't smell it out there.
18:04I smelled it 10 times more the second you opened the door.
18:07Okay.
18:08Well, you didn't smell it at all when I smelled it, but now I'm, initially, well, I'm crazy.
18:12No, I'm going to, I'm, I'm, I'm lying.
18:14Do I have permission?
18:15There was 0%, 30 seconds ago, there was 0% chance that I was telling the truth.
18:20And now I'm crazy because I don't smell it.
18:22And.
18:22Like he did.
18:23Meanwhile, something just happened to your kid's eyes.
18:27No, because I was telling the truth.
18:29It smells like a bagel place.
18:31It smells very much like a bagel place right now.
18:33There's bagels and donuts out there.
18:34Yeah, I know that.
18:35Yeah.
18:35That's all right.
18:36No, it smells like, to me, it smells electrical.
18:38Oh.
18:39It's a toaster that we plug into the wall to make bagels warmer and crispier.
18:43Oh, no.
18:44And that makes an electrical fire?
18:46No.
18:46Or it smells like, there's an electrical smell, not an electrical bagel.
18:50Well, there's electricity involved in toasting a bagel.
18:53There's not?
18:54Are you this obtuse?
18:55I mean, did you, did you fall on your head over the weekend?
18:58What are you talking about?
18:58You were gone for four days and now you can't fathom Shane Steichen kicking a field goal.
19:02And you think that an electrical, the same as electrical smell just because there's electrical
19:07current going through the bagel?
19:09Do you not know how a freaking toaster works?
19:12Electrical current is going through the bagel?
19:14This would be great.
19:15No, I don't know how a toaster works.
19:18Please explain.
19:19Explain to me how a toaster works.
19:21It's radiant heat heating up the bagel.
19:23There's not electrical current going through the bagel?
19:25I'm not saying there's electrical current going through a bagel.
19:28Isn't that what he said?
19:29No, you said, okay.
19:30Okay, let's go back about two minutes where you, I was in the middle of something and
19:35you were like, stop it, I smell something.
19:38And I do smell something.
19:39Now I do.
19:40At the moment, I didn't smell anything.
19:41Then I smelled a little bit.
19:42And I was like, oh, I think that's a bagel.
19:44Then I had you open the door.
19:46Then you said you didn't smell it anymore, but the bagel smell wafted in.
19:50And then you said, no, it smells electric, but there's electricity.
19:52You're the authority of the smell that there was 0% chance I was telling the truth.
19:56And now you're the authority.
19:58It wasn't 0% chance you were telling the truth.
19:59It was that I believe when you say I'm not joking.
20:03He looked at Dan and said there is 0% chance he is telling the truth, which made me say
20:07I swear in my son's eyes.
20:08Play it back.
20:08Brad, you did say that.
20:09You did say that.
20:10It wasn't telling the truth.
20:11It was 0% chance that Tim isn't, or is, isn't late.
20:16You said there's, you're not joking.
20:18And I said 0% chance Tim isn't joking.
20:20So I thought you were joking.
20:21It wasn't about telling the truth.
20:22It was that you joke a lot.
20:24It is impossible to have a conversation with you.
20:26Well, and a solid way to set up.
20:27You just changed the rules and the history of what we were just talking about.
20:29You interrupted my football conversation to talk about smelling something.
20:32Now that I acknowledge I smell it, then you told me you didn't smell it.
20:35What the hell is going on in here?
20:37Do you, can we concede, Dan, you're over there.
20:40Yes.
20:40Do you smell bagels cooking?
20:41No, I smell nothing.
20:42You smell, okay, you have permission now.
20:45Okay, cool.
20:45Walk over there.
20:45I'm not on video, though.
20:46That's fine.
20:47Walk over there, open the door, stick your head in the hallway, let me know if it smells
20:50like every bagel place you've ever been in your entire life.
20:56We're waiting, we're waiting, Dan's coming back, trying to interpret the look on his face.
21:00What do you got?
21:00It smells like bagels.
21:01It smells like bagels.
21:01Okay.
21:02So once you open the door, oh yeah, that is bagels, the end.
21:04Then you're like, no, it doesn't smell like bagels, it smells electric, but there's electricity
21:07involved in the bagel cooking.
21:08I'm just saying, you wouldn't smell this.
21:10There's electricity involved in the bagel cooking.
21:12Correct.
21:15But it's not, I said it smells electrical to me.
21:18Well, right.
21:18If the bagels were just sitting there without electricity being used to push this smell
21:22into the air, then you wouldn't smell it.
21:24So yes, there's an electrical element.
21:25I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
21:28It's not how-
21:28How does the electric-
21:29It smells like bagels.
21:30That's not how electricity works.
21:33Are we talking about AC or DC?
21:35Explain to me how bagels work, how football works.
21:39This is incredible.
21:40Well, how math works.
21:41Again, all right, can we go back to the-
21:42Yes.
21:43Do you want to take calls?
21:44What do we want to do here?
21:44There's a guy who has fourth and eighth thoughts.
21:46Oh, well, let's talk to him.
21:47Let's see who's sane and who's not.
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21:57Hello, Patrick.
21:58You're on WGR.
21:58What's up?
22:00How you doing, guys?
22:01Fine.
22:01Great show, by the way.
22:02Great show, by the way.
22:04But real quick point on this, fourth and eighth.
22:08Clearly, the math may say you're right, obviously, but Brad is 100% right.
22:15One-
22:16No, he's not.
22:17Yes.
22:18No, he's not.
22:20Because here's the point.
22:21If you're doing what the other team wants you to do, you're doing it wrong.
22:26Kansas City clearly wants them to kick a field goal in that situation because not only do
22:32the Chiefs get the ball back, the Colts then have to stop the Chiefs.
22:35I don't know.
22:36How would you not that the Chiefs would not want them to go for it?
22:39Be like, if I'm the Chiefs, I'd be like, yeah, try to do the thing that has a 39%
22:44chance
22:44of winning.
22:45If I'm the Chiefs, I'm like, let's go.
22:46One defensive stop, it's over.
22:48We're game over.
22:49We don't have to go down the field and kick a field goal.
22:51With our kicker, who has already missed a kick this game, and who has the yips all last
22:55year, no.
22:57Yeah, Harrison Butker did make the kick, but there's no guarantee of that.
23:01Real quick, though.
23:03The math gets wrong because what they did on first, second, and third down puts them in
23:09that situation.
23:10That's what I said.
23:10I agree with that.
23:11Shane Steichen blew it by getting to fourth and eight.
23:14But once you're in fourth and eight, your hands are tied.
23:16But he should have already foreseen what, when they got the ball first and 10 into 17 at
23:23Kansas City, he should already be looking for, hey, we are looking to score, use all four
23:29downs here, and we're going to get ourselves in the most advantageous situation on third
23:33and fourth down.
23:35Not run two lost plays on first and second down.
23:38That's right.
23:39It was boneheaded stuff.
23:40But he got himself into that situation that I think that kicking the field goal was the
23:44right thing to do once he got to fourth and eight.
23:48Because really, yeah, he handcuffed himself.
23:51He was painted himself into a corner.
23:53So in that regard, I would be, I'm a listener.
23:57Well, I'm a listener in regard to going for it.
24:01But I think that where Brad got under my skin was that he said it was absolutely 100% the
24:09wrong play.
24:09And it clearly was not 100% the wrong play.
24:12I think you could have a discussion about it.
24:14But sometimes Brad doesn't want to have a discussion.
24:16I always want to have a discussion.
24:17That's the whole point of sitting down.
24:18We turn on the microphone, we have a discussion.
24:19We'll have a conversation.
24:20We're fine.
24:22Why doesn't your microphone smell like microphone right now?
24:25There's electricity involved in it.
24:27That's not how, when you have electricity interact with a microphone, it doesn't create
24:32the scent of toasted bagel.
24:35But it doesn't smell like electricity either.
24:37It smells like bagel.
24:39Bagel plus electricity equals the smell.
24:41Bagel, no electricity.
24:42You do not get this smell.
24:43Bagel, electricity is a factor.
24:45Sure, you can put it over an open fire.
24:46Where?
24:47Wherever you want.
24:48I mean, there's all kinds of...
24:49You think a bagel over an open fire would smell the same as a bagel being toasted electrically?
24:52Now, I'm getting too far.
24:54I can smell...
24:54I'm getting too far afield of my point.
24:56You can smell the difference between an electric range and a gas range when something's cooking
25:00there.
25:00Like, oh, that smells like pancakes, but electric pancakes.
25:02That's true.
25:02It's real.
25:03That's true.
25:03But electricity does not...
25:06Electricity just warms the bagel.
25:08It's radiant heat.
25:09There's not electricity plugged into the bagel.
25:12You actually said there is current running through the bagel, which that's not how it works.
25:18Well, to a certain extent, that's...
25:20Yes.
25:21That said...
25:22That is what you said.
25:22If you believe...
25:23I didn't say there's current running through a bagel you're adding.
25:26No, you're putting this...
25:27You're putting this stuff together.
25:28There's current running...
25:29If you could find...
25:30What are you nodding about?
25:31What's going on?
25:32What's the secret crap you guys are pulling right now?
25:33It's not secret.
25:34It is saying...
25:35It's just mutiny.
25:36What's going on?
25:37You've already been caught saying you didn't say things you didn't say.
25:40Like what?
25:41That there is a 0% chance I'm telling the truth.
25:44No, it was that you're not joking.
25:46My point was Tim Graham is the type of person, right before he's going to make a joke, who
25:51might say, I'm not joking.
25:53And what did you do?
25:54You turned to Dan for validation.
25:56But when I turned to Dan for validation, we have a secret thing going.
26:00What is it with you today?
26:01I don't know.
26:03I don't know.
26:03I feel like I've been run over.
26:04I don't know what's going on.
26:05803-0550.
26:06Let's take a break.
26:07We'll reset.
26:07I'll go smell the bagels.
26:08Smell the electric bagels out there in the break room.
26:11Make sure everything's okay.
26:12Try to fill a water bottle.
26:14Electrical banana.
26:14That was a great lyric in a Dion song.
26:16Look up what the electrical banana was, though.
26:19It's scandalous.
26:20I can't say it on the air.
26:21Now that I've gone through my training of things you're allowed to say on air.
26:26I have a guess.
26:27Should I guess aloud?
26:29Or should we take a break?
26:30Well, people thought that when they heard that, that you were supposed to smoke bananas.
26:35Really?
26:35That's what Dion was telling you.
26:36Because it was a psychedelic age, like you're going to trip out because it was, you know,
26:41electrical banana, mellow yellow.
26:46All right.
26:47But it turned out that he was songwriting with Paul McCartney.
26:50They were at the Apple Studios.
26:52There was all kinds of stuff going on.
26:54Sounds acidic.
26:55Quick timeout.
26:56It's, what do they call this show?
26:58I've got to read the thing.
26:59So many words.
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