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Blondshell joins Angie Martoccio and Leah Lu in The Rolling Stone Studio to talk about her brand new album, 'Violins,' and why she felt compelled to put out a new project after releasing one last year: "I really hate sitting on songs and not doing anything with them. I think I have a subconscious fear that they'll go away or I'll lose the excitement around the song." She also chats about the music she's enjoying these days (Charli xcx, Slayyyter, Life Without Buildings), the type of vibe she'd curate at her wedding, and plays FMK: nostalgia, the moment, the passage of time. "It's become very trendy to hate nostalgia. I love it," she says.
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00:00I know I'm a Taurus.
00:01Okay.
00:02Grounded, apparently, is what many would say.
00:04I guess.
00:04I do love the earth.
00:06Yeah.
00:07I do love the earth.
00:08You're a vegan.
00:08There you go.
00:09I used to be vegan.
00:11Okay.
00:11Exclusive.
00:12Exclusive.
00:13Used to be a vegan.
00:14I need the protein.
00:16I was getting so tired.
00:18I am so proud of you.
00:20Thank you so much for saying that.
00:22Thank you for not judging me.
00:28Hi, it's Leah.
00:29We are in the Rolling Stones studio today with senior writer Angie Martosio and a special guest, Blondshell, a.k
00:37.a. Sabrina Teitelbaum.
00:38Sabrina, welcome.
00:41Thanks for having me.
00:41We're very excited to have you.
00:43You are right about to release your third album, Violins.
00:47It comes right after 2025s, if you ask for a picture.
00:51I want to start by asking you what your main goal was when you were entering the creation of Violins.
00:59So I don't feel like I even knew that I was starting to make an album.
01:03I had just put the second record out.
01:05And so I was like, great.
01:06I have all the time in the world.
01:08Everything that I make now is just for me.
01:10I'm not even going to put it out.
01:12And I always think that's the time where I write the most.
01:15So I didn't even realize that it was going to be a record.
01:18And then I kept writing.
01:21And then when I wrote the song, Violins, I was like, OK, this is an album now.
01:31And also, I really hate sitting on songs and not doing anything with them.
01:36I think I have like a subconscious fear that they'll go away or something or I'll lose the
01:42excitement around the song.
01:44So every time I write, I'm like, I need to go record this really fast.
01:49I don't want to just have a bank of songs.
01:52So we kind of just like got on it and made the record.
01:56I want to go back to the beginning, though, because I actually learned about your music
01:59through Angie, who had written about you before your debut album.
02:03And then you played our South by Southwest showcase in Austin.
02:07Yeah, in Austin.
02:08And that was like a weird time of my life.
02:10And I was kind of like in a haze walking through that moody theater.
02:13And then I heard you singing and I was like, what the hell is that?
02:16That's amazing.
02:17And it like truly changed me.
02:19And she was wearing a really young and crazy wear shirt, actually.
02:21Yeah.
02:22I wear that shirt all the time.
02:24Some of our coworkers were like, did you like pay her to wear that?
02:26And I was like, no, it's just my new favorite artist wearing my favorite band.
02:31That's amazing.
02:31I think that shirt's retired because I haven't seen it in years.
02:34This is your third album.
02:36And, you know, you've established yourself by now.
02:38You have such a fan base, as Leo was saying.
02:40Like, do you feel like at this point when you're making records, you can be a little
02:43more creatively free?
02:45Yeah, I think so.
02:46This was my first time experiencing that.
02:48But the way I experienced that was just feeling like I didn't have to over explain all the time.
02:54Yeah.
02:55Because there is a little bit of context, not necessarily in assuming that
03:01people will have heard everything, but knowing that they can go back.
03:05Yeah.
03:05And like, I really felt like I wanted people to know my intention and where I was coming
03:09from and what I meant and all this stuff.
03:11How would you describe the intention you were trying to establish in those first two albums?
03:16What were those things about you that you wanted to get across?
03:18With the first record, there was just so much sort of lifeblood in it.
03:24I had never made a record.
03:25I didn't think I was going to make a record.
03:28And then all of a sudden, I had these songs and felt like I had this really clear vision
03:32for an album.
03:33It just felt so urgent.
03:35And it felt to me like I just need to get this album made.
03:39And it needs to sound like how it sounds in my head.
03:41And then I need to get it out ASAP.
03:43Yeah.
03:43And then with the second record, I really didn't want to be boxed in to a subgenre.
03:49And I really didn't want to be boxed into a specific type of song.
03:53The sort of songs on my first record that I felt like people connected with, there was
03:58sort of a really cohesive production thing on that record.
04:03I want to be making music for a long time.
04:05And I felt like on my second record, I wanted to show people that there was more going on.
04:10How has your relationship with Urgency changed since then?
04:13I still get this sense that the music needs to come out and there's some sort of clock
04:20in my head.
04:22I love the Phoebe record so much.
04:23And she took a long time to make it.
04:26Something like that would be very hard for me because I just can't.
04:30I'm so uncomfortable with the idea of sitting on music that I like.
04:34If I make a song and I like it, I really want to just get it out, never listen to
04:38it
04:39again, and then it's done.
04:40I'm curious what you were listening to while you were making this record.
04:43Because, you know, you talked about the self-titled and how you didn't want to be boxed into
04:48like, oh, she likes 90s rock.
04:50Like, what were you listening to this time around?
04:51Well, when I went on tour, I didn't know what to listen to when I was in the band all
04:55day.
04:56And then Maya, who plays bass with me, was like, oh, have you ever heard of this record
05:00called Dynamite by Steena Nordenstam?
05:03And I had never heard it.
05:04And then I became really obsessed with that record.
05:07And there's really sparse production, but the choices are really cool.
05:11I was basically on tour the whole time that I was writing this record.
05:15Is that easy for you to write on tour?
05:16I have challenges with tour in general.
05:20And writing is what I do when things are difficult.
05:23The writing itself is not difficult for me on tour.
05:25There are other parts of tour that are hard for me.
05:28But writing is sort of my way to cope with all of it.
05:30A lot of the stuff I was listening to at the time, it was a lot of albums that were
05:35to kind
05:36of calm my nervous system down at night.
05:38So a lot of Lovers Rock by Sade, a lot of Apollo by Brian Eno.
05:44It was just a lot of kind of calming stuff.
05:47When I would go home and I was like, OK, now my nervous system can be rubbed up again.
05:51I was listening to a lot of sort of angular guitar, like Bandwagon-esque and Gang of Four.
05:59There's a lot of sort of dry, angular guitars that I hadn't really gotten into before.
06:04Do you have a playlist of these songs, my patients?
06:06Are you like a really meticulous, like chronological playlister or is it sporadic?
06:11No, no, not at all.
06:13It's it's really there's a lot going on.
06:16So I'm not engaged.
06:17I'm not getting married or anything.
06:18And I have a playlist that I've made of songs that I would like to play at my wedding.
06:25I was literally one of her questions.
06:26Wait, really?
06:27Well, because Fur Elise is incredible.
06:29And I know, obviously, you're not really going to walk down the aisle to that.
06:32Yeah, that's what you want to do.
06:33I want the option to choose when to and not to asphyxiate.
06:40That would be so sad.
06:41But I was going to ask, like, what your dream song to be.
06:44Like, what would it be?
06:45I have some real some really good ones.
06:47But the problem is, I think it's possible that the only person feeling the vibe would be me.
06:53OK, how does one shuffle?
06:55This is like my shit.
06:57Yeah.
06:57Window Licker by Apex Twin.
07:00Love it.
07:00Tell me what about this song screamed walking down the aisle.
07:04No, no, these aren't my.
07:05No, these aren't the aisle songs.
07:07OK, I was like, it sounds like the belly of the beast right now.
07:09No, that would be that would be crazy.
07:11I was like, maybe that's what you want.
07:11I was like, I'm not going to judge.
07:14Like, what the hell is that?
07:15No, no, that would be that would be crazy.
07:17So it's like this is dancing.
07:18This is Friday night.
07:20What about this song screamed wedding weekend?
07:23The fact that I like it.
07:25It should just be the songs that I think are the best songs.
07:29No question.
07:29That have ever been made.
07:30What did you do at your wedding?
07:32We actually had Rob Sheffield, one of our staffers, DJ for us.
07:35After the ceremony, like when we were walking away, I had Father John Misty's Holy Shit.
07:40Because he wrote that during his wedding day.
07:41Oh, and no one ever knows the real you.
07:45And life is free.
07:48Let's do another one.
07:49And then we'll continue.
07:50Okay, like Eating Glass, Block Party.
07:53Ooh, tell me about this song.
07:55I think there should be a little bit of industrial vibes going on at the wedding.
08:00Okay.
08:00I want the 2010 vibes at my wedding because I think in my heart, I live on Tumblr forever.
08:07And it has to feel a little bit like Effie Stoneham at the wedding.
08:11Totally.
08:11I can't feel like I'm getting married and giving up the Effie Stoneham of it all.
08:14Yeah, I like that.
08:16Would you say that there's like a certain theme to this album?
08:18Because I hear, obviously, juxtaposing violence and beauty so often.
08:23Like, I hope heads don't roll.
08:25They rest lightly on her shoulder.
08:27None of that stuff was intentional.
08:29I don't feel like there was any theme stuff that was intentional.
08:33That's all sort of in hindsight.
08:35I can look back and pick those things out.
08:37I don't think any theme stuff is ever intentional on my end.
08:42And it just, that's the stuff that's on my mind at that given time.
08:46And then it ends up being kind of consistent.
08:48How do I make sense of all of the violence that we're seeing every day with my personal life getting
08:58better and noticing more beauty and feeling more patience and more stability and things like that?
09:05And I'm also not religious.
09:08And I think things like, that's the exact kind of question that religion is supposed to help you out with.
09:14And so I spent some time this year just kind of thinking about, you know, trying to make sense of
09:21all that.
09:21And I think that was the point of the music for me a bit.
09:23Yeah, and you're still working with Eves Rothman, your longtime collaborator.
09:27What kind of conversations do you guys have going into this?
09:30Our idea of the record changed a lot.
09:33My sort of ceiling of an idea when I decided that I wanted to make another record kind of quickly
09:41was that I just wanted the songs to groove really hard.
09:44I wanted them to hit super hard.
09:46I didn't want to make a sad record.
09:49I didn't want ballads.
09:50I just, I wanted to play something that I would really like to play on tour.
09:53I can totally see me and all of your fans screaming a song like Lucky live.
09:58Like they're literally made for a concert experience, I feel like, all of these songs.
10:02Tell me about that one, though.
10:04It's definitely my favorite.
10:05It has such a great vibe.
10:06What was it like writing it?
10:07I liked writing that song.
10:10I think that song has taken on a different meaning for me now.
10:13When I wrote it, I was very underslept.
10:16And it's supposed to be like, I'm so beautiful and I'm so rested and blah, blah, blah.
10:21And I didn't actually mean it.
10:23The reason I didn't put that song out as a single is because I felt like people will hear it
10:28as genuine.
10:30They won't hear it as sarcastic.
10:32Sure.
10:32So there was a minute where I felt like, I don't want to be misunderstood.
10:36I don't want everyone to think that I'm saying that I feel beautiful and rested all the time because I
10:41do not.
10:41Now, looking back and sort of feeling the way that I feel in this moment, it is nice to be
10:48able to perform a song that's like, I feel beautiful and rested.
10:50I feel lucky.
10:51Also, we talked about Sea Legs a little bit earlier.
10:54I want to talk a little bit about that Leonard Cohen mention.
10:57What is it about Leonard Cohen's music that touched you enough to name drop him in a song?
11:02I try to not do the name drop because Eve – there was one time where I did the name
11:10drop and he was like, Lana was doing that 10 years ago.
11:12You can't do it anymore.
11:14That song for me is about religion and trying – because I think my life would be a lot easier
11:20if I loved religion and felt like I have this great relationship with God.
11:26Sure.
11:26I think that would make my life a bit easier.
11:29And so this song was me being like, where can I find God?
11:33Where do I see evidence of that?
11:35But Leonard Cohen just rocks and death of a ladies' man makes me feel a lot of things.
11:44It just kind of came to mind when I was saying the list of things.
11:48So you did not grow up religious?
11:50I grew up culturally Jewish.
11:53I went to synagogue and things like that.
11:55There are people in my family that are religious.
11:57So I was sort of like culturally practicing, but I was never religious.
12:02And I always had a very hard time connecting with the concept of God.
12:06How are some ways in your adult life that you've tried to sort of fill that void, if I can
12:12call it that?
12:13Being obsessed with music and having the bug for it and listening to music all the time is a big
12:19way.
12:20I was going to say your dog.
12:21I love that guy.
12:21I need to get another one too.
12:23He needs a friend.
12:24I noticed that Violin's title track album starts and you talk about paint drying.
12:29And then at the very end, you also talk about paint on Fur Elise.
12:33Is that intentional?
12:34I didn't write them with the other one in mind, but it is intentional that they're sort of start and
12:39end.
12:40I want to talk about one of my favorite tracks, Too Fried.
12:43Because I see in the credits, Samia is a co-writer on this song.
12:46Tell me a little bit about your friendship.
12:47I know you know her.
12:47I saw her do the shuffle.
12:49Yeah, she did the shuffle.
12:50Yeah.
12:51I would love to hear more about your friendship with Samia and why you topped her as a co-writer.
12:55I never write with other people.
12:57The whole thing makes me uncomfortable.
12:59There's this sort of like we're doing – we're cosplaying a therapy session and someone comes over and then you
13:05talk about what's going on in your life.
13:07All of that to me can make me very uncomfortable and can feel for me personally a bit forced.
13:12So I don't like to do it.
13:14And I think when I write with other people, it ends up feeling like I'm just kind of filtering myself.
13:20I don't love writing with other people.
13:22Samia hit me up when she was in LA and just texted me and was like, hey, what are you
13:26doing?
13:26Do you want to write a song?
13:27Because she likes writing with other people and is good at it.
13:30We were just sort of playing around.
13:32She's like, oh, I like to start songs lately by pulling up Leonard Cohen poems and using that as a
13:38jumping off point.
13:39And she did that with some poem that I didn't know.
13:42And then that's where One Long Marriage, the start of the song, came from.
13:46I was first going to ask if you wanted to do a deluxe of this album as you have with
13:50the others and like who your dream collaborators would be.
13:53I don't think I'm going to do a deluxe for this because I feel like I've done it now a
14:01couple times.
14:02I don't know.
14:03I think I just kind of want to let the record stand on its own.
14:06You did A Vent of a Fire, which I think Leo was mentioning earlier that Connor Oberst was on that.
14:11What was that like to collaborate with him?
14:12It came back and I wasn't part of the process of recording it or anything.
14:16So I just heard it when it was done.
14:17He recorded it at his studio and then sent it to me once it was done.
14:22And it was kind of crazy just because I love his voice and his music.
14:26And so it was sick to hear it.
14:27You are 29.
14:29Yeah.
14:30When I talked to Mitski about turning 30, she gave me the most like one sentence that I always listen
14:36to and like think about.
14:37It's that she said she woke up on her 30th birthday and shed a single tear because she was so
14:43excited to be out of her 20s.
14:44I love her so much.
14:46Okay, it's funny you bring up Mitski.
14:49I'm actually a big fan.
14:50There was some late night performance I saw of hers where there's a chair.
14:56Do you know what I'm talking about?
14:58And I think she's crying in it.
15:00And I also saw her perform in Mexico City, but I've seen her a bunch of times.
15:03I've seen her cry on stage.
15:05And it is a big goal of mine to let the walls down enough that I can perform and actually
15:12cry on stage because of watching Mitski.
15:15What song do you think would bring you the closest to crying on stage of your own?
15:20Or do you think it'd be like a cover?
15:21It would be a cover for sure.
15:23Every time that I have almost cried on stage, it's been a cover.
15:29When it's your music, you're so a part of your like, you're so deep in the process of making it
15:36and recording it and all that stuff.
15:37And when it's a cover, you just kind of pick it up that night and you have your whole life's
15:41relationship with it.
15:42Although if you perform like Tarmac, I've definitely cried to that.
15:45I have so much fun doing that song.
15:47That one, I'm always like, that one's not getting cut.
15:50Because I feel like we've been doing a lot of festivals this year.
15:53And it's the kind of thing where you're like, okay, you got to cut one song because time is running
15:58low.
15:58It's not Tarmac.
15:59It's never Tarmac.
16:00There's a part that me and my roommate like love when you go to Tarmac.
16:04And sometimes you don't do it live.
16:06And we're both like, we're like holding our like, is she going to do it?
16:08I never do it.
16:09And sometimes other people do it.
16:10And I'm like, yeah.
16:11Maybe that's like your role model Sally.
16:13That's my Sally moment.
16:14Yeah.
16:15That one note.
16:16You guys should be Sally girls.
16:18For you or for him?
16:19No, for him.
16:20I think he's done with that whole shtick.
16:21I'm like, y'all come on stage.
16:23Do you feel like there's a separation between Sabrina and Blanchelle?
16:28Literally not at all.
16:29Not at all.
16:30It's just a name.
16:31Yeah.
16:32Even doing stuff like I've tried to dress up on stage recently.
16:37I have tried wearing dresses for the first time.
16:40And I have decided that that makes me uncomfortable because it makes me feel like there is a difference
16:45between me and my artist project.
16:48And I don't like there to be a difference at all.
16:50Wasn't that at Coachella you were almost going to?
16:52Yeah.
16:53Right?
16:53Yeah.
16:53I was going to wear a dress to Coachella.
16:56And then I worked with a stylist and she was like, you can't sit in the dress on the way
17:03to the stage.
17:04So I wore her Nine Inch Nails shirt.
17:06And then when we got there, I was like, I'm not changing back.
17:09And I felt a lot more comfortable that way.
17:11Would you say you have a favorite song on the album?
17:13I like Stone Fruit a lot.
17:15It ended up really close to what we wanted.
17:18I like the groove that we have in it, which feels good.
17:22The song's kind of a mystery.
17:23I don't totally know what it's about.
17:26I just, all the images felt really right.
17:28So I like that song probably the best.
17:30Yeah.
17:30I think you sing like No Drugs, Not Drunk.
17:34And you're what, like seven years sober now?
17:37In December.
17:38Yeah.
17:38Wow.
17:38That's amazing.
17:39Thanks.
17:40How does it sit with you now?
17:42I'm sure it's completely different than it was when you were 22.
17:44It doesn't feel as defining as it did.
17:47I think my life felt at one point defined by partying and the friendships that I had partying.
17:55The version of myself I felt like I could be when I was fucked up felt like that's the right
18:00me.
18:01That's who I am.
18:02Like I'm confident in that version of me.
18:04I felt like for a while my life was kind of defined by the absence of that in a way
18:10I didn't like.
18:11I felt really kind of wholesome for a while.
18:15It was like how do I get, how do I find myself without that?
18:19Which I guess is kind of the whole thing that people talk about.
18:22Yeah.
18:22I don't know.
18:23It just, it feels less defining now.
18:25And just as important for me personally, but less defining.
18:29And what about your relationship with touring now?
18:32How has that changed over the years?
18:33You were touring so much when you were starting.
18:35I know.
18:36Like a lot.
18:36I know.
18:38I learned a lot doing that really, really heavy grind of touring constantly.
18:46And I think it was just something, I just didn't know the basic stuff.
18:49Like I didn't know how to calm my nervous system down after playing a show.
18:55And what things are going to work for me and not work for me.
18:57And how many shows I can personally play in a week.
18:59And when I start to get sick and things like that.
19:03Because I really hadn't toured until like five years ago.
19:06And then we were just on tour constantly.
19:09Your bio for the album mentions your Saturn return.
19:13Is that something that you have felt or studied or relate with?
19:17I don't know anything about that.
19:18Me neither.
19:19Okay.
19:19I was wondering.
19:20I don't know a thing.
19:20Yeah.
19:21I know I'm a Taurus.
19:22Okay.
19:23I think I'm all earth signs.
19:26Grounded apparently is what.
19:27I guess I do love the earth.
19:30Yeah.
19:31I do love the earth.
19:32And if that's how it manifests.
19:34There you go.
19:34I used to be vegan.
19:36I mean, okay.
19:37Exclusive.
19:38Exclusive.
19:39Used to be a vegan.
19:40I need the protein.
19:42I was getting so tired.
19:43I am so proud of you.
19:45Thank you so much for saying that.
19:47Thank you for not judging me.
19:48You're from New York, but you live in LA now.
19:51What's the most New York thing about you still?
19:55My directness.
19:56I'm really direct.
19:57Yeah.
19:57I'm trying to learn to dial it back a little bit.
19:59I feel like also like speaking of your directness and then your lyricism, I feel like in your
20:04first two albums, me and Angie were talking about this a little bit earlier that it was
20:07very clear.
20:08Like you're recalling a story just as it happened.
20:12And then the lyrics in this album, I feel like a lot more open ended.
20:17I think it's less clear.
20:19It doesn't feel open ended to me, but I'm biased.
20:23I think it's more image based.
20:26I have insanely vivid dreams and a lot of the songs on the album were sort of like images.
20:33It was sort of, I don't know.
20:34I think it's a big part of my life is waking up and being like, okay, what, what meaning?
20:39I like to analyze my dreams.
20:41I think it's important for me.
20:42I think it came up a lot in the songwriting and it was very visual in a way that the
20:47last
20:47records were not.
20:48I'm curious to know other albums you've loved this year.
20:50It's been like an insane year of great records.
20:52Was Rosalia this year?
20:54Yeah.
20:54No, that was the end of last year.
20:56Okay.
20:56But that still counts.
20:57Yeah.
20:57That still counts.
20:58She's still touring it.
20:58Yeah.
20:58That counts.
20:59Charlie.
21:00I covered one of the Charlie songs recently, I'm Afraid, on that record.
21:06It's complicated how I feel.
21:09No, I'm not supposed to say.
21:12And that was one of those where I was like, I really felt a lot from singing it.
21:18And I felt a lot from listening to that record when it came out.
21:21Yeah.
21:22When the Phoebe record came out, I think I had felt emotionally like I couldn't cry for
21:29a while.
21:29I couldn't feel a lot.
21:31And then the record came out and I went on a walk and listened to it the next morning
21:35and just.
21:37No, I know you love other plans too.
21:39I love that song.
21:40Yes.
21:41I love that song.
21:42I never want to talk about the records that I love that have come out recently, but I
21:47love those records.
21:48I love Slater's record and I love to dance to it.
21:51And I am dying to see her live.
21:52She's an incredible singer.
21:54What about something you discovered recently that like is from forever ago?
21:58We were talking about Violator and I didn't know that song Blue Dress.
22:02Dot Allison.
22:02Yeah.
22:03That's new to me.
22:04That sort of genre is new to me.
22:06Yeah.
22:07So I'm kind of diving into that.
22:09I got into it because Eve told me to listen to David Bowie's Berlin era.
22:15Great era.
22:16And then I started getting into more kind of similar things.
22:19Oh, my God.
22:20Low is like one of my it's probably my favorite Bowie album.
22:23You famously raved about Life Without Buildings.
22:25Yes, I have.
22:26That's another thing.
22:27I'm like, they can't hear me talk.
22:28Like people are going to tag them and then they'll get tagged 30 times in the same thing.
22:33They'll be like, it's that girl again.
22:34That's OK.
22:35But you're establishing credibility with them.
22:37You're right.
22:37You're right.
22:37They're playing those two shows in London this fall.
22:41Are you going to go?
22:41I'd like to.
22:42It'd be amazing.
22:43I don't think I'm going to be there at the time.
22:45That's the hard part of it all.
22:46I hope they keep doing more because I need to see them live, but I don't know if they will.
22:52I think it's so sick that they made one record and they're like, we want to go do our other
22:58careers.
22:59Bye.
23:00Yeah.
23:00And then they're like, we'll play two shows just for you guys.
23:03Yeah.
23:03And then maybe never again.
23:04Someone I was hanging out with asked me this question out of nowhere the other day and I was hanging
23:08out with her and it really caught me off guard.
23:10But I feel like I'd be a really good thought starter here because your album has themes of healing over
23:15a long period of time.
23:16Fuck, marry, kill, the moment, the passage of time, and nostalgia.
23:26Kill the passage of time, fuck nostalgia, marry the moment.
23:32Wow.
23:33That is an answer I have not gotten yet.
23:34And I do think I ate with that answer.
23:36Yeah.
23:36Explain why are you killing the passage of time?
23:39It's devastating.
23:41Every heartbreak is because of the passage of time in one way or another, I think.
23:45That's kind of the worst thing ever.
23:47No, I agree with that.
23:48I'm marrying it.
23:50What?
23:51The passage of time is the one constant that you have, right?
23:54Wait, that's weird.
23:55Like no matter what happens in life, time will pass.
23:57But what about the fact that we're all going to be really old one day?
24:01Yeah, I don't want that.
24:01That's a privilege.
24:03And I also think that the passage of time I owe so much of healing to, right?
24:06Like, even if I'm heartbroken about something, what keeps me heartbroken is the nostalgia.
24:11But what moves me further from it is the passage of time, which is inevitable.
24:14I'd marry nostalgia so fast, but I know that's not a shock to anyone.
24:18I think it's become very trendy to hate nostalgia.
24:21Yeah, I fucking love it.
24:22I love it.
24:23There's a lot of music that I listen to because I want to feel nostalgic.
24:27New Order.
24:28Baby bangs, barista ears.
24:30That's why I listen to New Order.
24:31It is beautiful.
24:31Yeah, that's why I listen to New Order.
24:32Yeah.
24:33For nostalgia.
24:33Yeah.
24:34We strive to love the moment.
24:35Yes.
24:36We don't always love the moment, but we want to love the moment.
24:39I think in certain years, I would have killed the moment immediately.
24:41I think I would often kill the moment.
24:44I feel better now.
24:45It's giving Mary the night.
24:46Yeah.
24:47Gaga.
24:47Does make you think.
24:48That's a great question.
24:49You guys should ask Lady Gaga that.
24:51I would love to.
24:52She's busy with the baby.
24:53Where do you rank your albums now?
24:54I know you're very into violins, obviously not even out yet.
24:58Where does it sit with you in terms of one, two, and three?
25:00How would you rank my albums?
25:02Do you want to see that?
25:04One is very personal to me.
25:06Yeah.
25:07You were starting out, and I felt like I was so into that.
25:12We talked five times for that record across the year.
25:15It was crazy.
25:15I was like, hey, tell me about Salad again.
25:17And you're like, girl, we've talked about this.
25:19If You Asked for a Picture was amazing also.
25:21I really love this one.
25:23I don't know.
25:23I'll let you know when I sit with it more.
25:25But right now, it's really up there for me.
25:27I'm not biased at all.
25:29And I think my opinion would probably change in like a year.
25:34I saw your Charlie interview, and I saw her saying that she will pop on her music and listen
25:40to it and feels differently about it at different times.
25:43Yeah, I was surprised by that.
25:44I love that she was so open about it.
25:45I am not at a point where I can't listen to it, any of it.
25:50So when I put music out, I'm just like, bye, that's yours now.
25:54Never going to listen again.
25:56And I don't.
25:57And then my relationship with it just becomes what it is live.
26:01It all gets kind of like the first record, the second record, the third record.
26:04It's just whatever we're playing on tour.
26:06And it just kind of gets like, like that.
26:08TNA will always be up there for me, though.
26:10Really?
26:11Oh, my God.
26:11It's so fun.
26:12You're just really good at knowing what's going to kill on stage.
26:17Thank you so much for being here, Sabrina.
26:19Thanks for having me.
26:20And thank you, Angie, for talking with us as well.
26:22Could talk to her anytime.
26:23Same.
26:24Thanks, Angie.