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La exsenadora habló con El Espectador sobre su apuesta para formar su propio partido. Aseguró que tuvo mucha admiración por el expresidente Álvaro Uribe y fue crítica con el partido uribista. "Siento que la comunicación no solamente tiene que ser del primer mandatario. Eso le da un sentido de autoridad y de imagen muy fuerte, pero es que hay que gobernar en equipo", dijo sobre el gobierno De la Espriella.
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00:10Welcome to El Espectador, today we have a new edition of Interviews
00:14El Espectador, this time with former senator and presidential pre-candidate María Fernanda Cabal,
00:18How are you? Very well, thank you for the invitation. Well, Doctor, if you'd like, let's start with the basics.
00:24You say you no longer have political bosses, what's María Fernanda Cabal up to?
00:30I told the public about my dream of having my political movement become a party,
00:37Well, I feel that it's materializing, because the last thing I did was request the Democratic Center
00:44The decision was made in a letter and I received no response, and without acknowledgment of receipt one confirms a
00:52more and more
00:52that one no longer fits there nor has any option, at least, of having a legal personality
01:01with much more ease. But that's not going to stop me. Our movement is planning to organize itself across the board.
01:09the country
01:10And at this moment I have received proposals from some small parties to form an alliance and have legal representatives.
01:18My joy is being my own boss and choosing candidates from all over the country who fit my profile.
01:25that people want to see
01:27as their mayor, as their governor, as their councilor, or as their representative.
01:32Yes, let's say, at this moment you are still part of the Democratic Center.
01:36I haven't formally resigned while awaiting their decision; time passes, and a lack of response is practically an answer.
01:47no.
01:48I don't want to keep being insistent, it's been a long time, I tried to get the party to give me the results
01:55Of the famous Chilean polls, what was ultimately delivered did not convince us, and it is a cycle that...
02:02close.
02:02I wish them all the best, but we'll see each other in the political arena.
02:07Yes, what they say is that silence gives consent, and that silence is total with the Democratic Center as well.
02:12Well, I have my lifelong friends, I have my affections with congressmen who were re-elected, with new ones, with representatives,
02:22That cannot be forgotten; we shared many battles, there was much love at the time and admiration for the president.
02:30Uribe,
02:30But there are cycles that close, which shouldn't leave hatred behind because I'm fortunate enough to move on.
02:38the page and oblivion.
02:39And now come new expectations, with new goals and with the mission that I want, which is to serve my
02:49country.
02:49Yes, at this moment, let's say, you were always a party person, a person who helps build the Center
02:54Democratic,
02:55He was also part of the Democratic Center from its beginnings, but let's say that at this moment you have also launched criticisms
03:00against that same party,
03:01He said that the doctrine was basically lost.
03:03But it's true, and they can get upset as many times as they want, but when one doesn't know anything or
03:11What he knows confuses,
03:12He's losing touch with his supporters, but that's not my problem either.
03:17That's why I've always had the firmness and consistency to defend what I believe in.
03:24I have always been proudly right-wing and I feel that today I am the representative with the strongest sense of identity.
03:30both national and international, Colombian, from that new right.
03:34If we talk now also about those votes that you have built up throughout the country,
03:37almost as much as one of the most voted senators in Congress,
03:41But let's say the regional elections would enter the fray against a new right wing, if you will.
03:46which is the one from National Salvation, the one from Creemos, the one from Defenders of the Homeland,
03:49which still has a sector, the Democratic Center, that is firmly right-wing,
03:53And you would arrive too. How do you see that contest there?
03:55Yes, there will certainly be disputes over that electoral base.
04:00I don't want to get involved in any fights that might arise with that coalition.
04:04which will be National Salvation and Democratic Center.
04:08What I want are the candidates that people want.
04:14Candidates with or without experience, but obviously they must have potential.
04:19There will also be coalitions.
04:21Politics has undergone so many transformations in recent times
04:26that we will suddenly enter with candidates in coalitions with Salvation,
04:30with the Democratic Center, with Radical Change, with conservatives, with liberals.
04:36Remember that we went from 36 matches, which was excessive, to 20.
04:40Many have already lost their legal status, and now it is the survival of many that matters.
04:44that form coalitions.
04:46It will vary depending on the region.
04:49And starting to fight now only to have to sit down and take a picture later isn't right.
04:55But we will surely face candidates in some regions, in others we will form an alliance.
05:01Has there been any kind of dialogue, even before the takeover,
05:04with National Salvation, Defenders, or one of those lines?
05:07Let's see, for example, we had a mix-up with the invitation; it didn't arrive.
05:14because it reached a channel from a phone belonging to José Félix that he doesn't use.
05:18And we tried it and the chair worked, and then we felt bad about the names.
05:22but we hadn't received it.
05:23Later we learned that the level of disorganization with the invitations had been total.
05:30I have known Abelardo for 25 years.
05:34I admire what he is doing, I applaud him and I congratulate him.
05:38Much of what he's doing was something I had as government proposals.
05:42with the expectation of becoming president.
05:45I like some of the other things she's doing; they catch my attention.
05:50And I want my country to come first.
05:53Before any political intention of mine, nor out of envy, nor because he could have done it
05:59And they didn't give me the opportunity, no.
06:01For me it is clear that the space was given to the right.
06:04Uribe refused to understand, and moved Paloma to the center.
06:08The loss was total.
06:10Abelardo occupied that space.
06:12And as long as he does it well, he'll have my applause.
06:15But that doesn't mean we're all going to have to stand in line.
06:19and to unite in a single right-wing party.
06:22Sixteen years ago, I built a stage that will allow me to
06:29Keep playing, without fighting.
06:32Simply put, political dispute is a dispute for power.
06:36And we have to win over that audience.
06:39We will meet at the political and electoral events that are necessary.
06:44At some point there was talk of the possibility of you becoming part of the government.
06:48Did you want to be part of the government?
06:49My close relationship with him generated some anticipation,
06:55not only with the United States, but with right-wing governments.
06:58Now I'm crossing my fingers because the election is on October 4th.
07:03I hope Flavio Bolsonaro wins.
07:06I am a personal friend of Eduardo.
07:07I know Yair, I know that family, I know about the struggles for survival in Brazil,
07:15that the level of control of the Supreme Court is something that we believe is corrupt here
07:21And over there it's insane.
07:23That friendship I've had with the leaders, whom I met when we were nothing,
07:30Each one trying to stand out, today they are presidents,
07:34I even thought so; people were saying a chancellery, a ministry of defense,
07:38But today I feel that if I hold a government position and am unable to engage in politics
07:45nor being able to express what I consider,
07:49I would somehow be wasting time that I won't have to build my party.
07:58And besides, I don't want bosses, I just want them to do very well.
08:01But I will continue building countries.
08:04Yes, let's say that part of the discussion is about this return to the right.
08:08like a pendulum that first went to the left, now to the right.
08:11There are still four years to go, we're still a long way off
08:14that the presidential elections will be held again
08:16And you, as we have already said, are practically the face of many of those proposals.
08:21with whom he even spoke about the spark of power.
08:23Also, how do you plan to renew that in four years?
08:25Because it will soon be four years since the Espriella.
08:27But society changes every day.
08:29And we are a country so full of rules and madness
08:34and an excess of rights and few duties
08:36that we are failing to get on board with that transformation.
08:41For example, digital transformation.
08:43We need to continue opening up the Colombian market.
08:46for international hiring without having to travel.
08:49If they told you, "I got you a job in New York"
08:52And one of them said, "I have to sell the apartment."
08:54No, you do it digitally.
08:56We have excellent engineers, architects, and designers.
09:00All that added value from top-quality professionals
09:04We have to supply it to a giant market
09:07which has a labor shortage
09:09or that it is very expensive in their first world countries.
09:12All these kids are programming geniuses.
09:15Why has India become the India it is today?
09:19Because of that transformation that took place over 20 years.
09:23We wasted a lot of time and we're still fighting.
09:27And the communists always give us the same thing
09:30And then the peasant they want to be a manger.
09:34No, I want the rich farmer.
09:37I want rich Indians like gringo Indians,
09:40like the Canadian Indians who provide transportation
09:43to the mining companies and own the tractor-trailers,
09:46of the helicopters.
09:47I want that transformation.
09:48I want the ultimate digital university,
09:52which fortunately is in Colombia and needs to be expanded
09:55and lower the costs for people who don't have resources.
09:59I want digital medicine.
10:02I want everything that Colombia is asking for.
10:05And now that David Vélez is so well-known again,
10:10infinitely admired, transformer of reality and wealth,
10:14I want to break down access to credit for the working class.
10:19No more drip by drip, there it is, digital.
10:22And you can prove it.
10:23If you go to a craft fair or a farmers' market,
10:28Everyone has Neki.
10:30Today everyone has a brief.
10:32Because people learn.
10:34Who doesn't have a cell phone these days?
10:36Even illiterate people have cell phones.
10:39That access is what technology allows us.
10:42So, a lot can happen in these four years.
10:45And we need to keep updating the proposals for the Colombia we want.
10:49Yes, because many of the things that are criticized are also
10:52Presidential campaigns are where they burn out very easily, aren't they?
10:55When they've been around for so long, they burn out very easily.
10:57Do you think that could happen to you?
11:00I feel that this country was crying out for authority.
11:03And that joy we feel at seeing the public force again
11:08decisively, bringing peace to the territories,
11:12is its main capital
11:15and that's where the big investment will come from.
11:20Because you don't invest in a country that doesn't offer you material security.
11:23where they're going to kidnap him or plant a bomb in his factory,
11:26Nor does it invest in a country where legal security is a joke.
11:30You bought a property and three owners appeared.
11:34Do you want to make a rural investment?
11:36Then the NGO activists begin
11:38It's because there was an indigenous person there and there are some remains.
11:44Ah, so the $800 billion investment is blocked.
11:47What is this?
11:48Or he says there was a displacement.
11:50And it could be a lie.
11:52Since they had Puerto Antioquia in a difficult situation for a long time,
11:56displaced, no, no, no.
11:57There are people here so bad that they use human rights.
12:01with the obvious aim of preventing us from ever progressing,
12:03that there is not a single peso or investment,
12:05Let him go to a big company.
12:07that lie must be exposed,
12:10We need to offer him guarantees.
12:12Look what's become of the wind farm projects in La Guajira.
12:16Buried.
12:16Foreign companies invested in it
12:19in everything that fascinates the leftists,
12:21then the entire energy transition,
12:24Because everyone demonizes them, right?
12:25But they probably have air conditioning.
12:28They love to travel, and in first class.
12:30They use cell phones,
12:32which are made of minerals,
12:33of mining that they don't like.
12:35And we see how that delay
12:38has not allowed us
12:40to have a country full of resources
12:42and resources that serve the citizen
12:45without having to plunder nature.
12:47And I feel that if there is investment here
12:50for safety,
12:52as happened to us during Uribe's time,
12:54with guarantees of material safety,
12:57of legal certainty,
12:59with credit for the people,
13:01that not even Petro gave him
13:03to do something
13:05that would have transformed access.
13:07He called it popular credit,
13:09It sounds so beautiful.
13:10What did he do?
13:11Nothing!
13:12That's something a David Vélez can do.
13:14Fintech companies can do that.
13:16that allow you to do it through a cell phone
13:18have a bank account.
13:20That transforms the world.
13:22So, good luck to Abelard.
13:24It doesn't matter.
13:26I'm not envious.
13:27My country comes first.
13:28I applaud him every day.
13:29If the image is going to burn out too quickly,
13:32I don't believe it.
13:33I believe that in Colombia
13:34There are so many things to do.
13:36that haven't been done,
13:37that we will have the opportunity
13:40doing well for him
13:41so that there is continuity.
13:43Yes, because you too
13:44she's practically an expert
13:45in the digital realm, right?
13:47That was also a topic
13:48which was talked about a lot during the campaign.
13:49And I also wanted to ask you about that,
13:51because now the president of Esprilla
13:53arrived with the theme
13:54of the culture war.
13:55It's a topic that also
13:56you have mentioned it constantly.
13:57What do you think it means?
13:58in this government
13:59the culture war?
14:01But the culture war
14:02That is precisely what we have suffered.
14:04To divide society.
14:06A mixed-race society
14:07And they divided us into Indians, blacks
14:09and the rest.
14:10Some of us are whiter,
14:12others with darker complexions,
14:13But we all have a mix.
14:14A Christian society
14:16to hate each other,
14:18to return to the struggles
14:19for women's rights
14:20in some crazy feminists,
14:22horrible,
14:23who believe they have the right
14:23to burn churches.
14:24But why?
14:26We don't mess with you.
14:28Spot.
14:29If it is not understood
14:31that coexistence
14:32It is in the middle of the difference
14:33and the limits
14:34They are among freedom
14:35from both sides,
14:36Well, we won't have a country.
14:39One destroyed
14:40the first line
14:40public goods
14:42and private.
14:43And why?
14:44Because they feel like it.
14:45No,
14:46He's going to jail.
14:47for being a criminal.
14:48They don't have 20 universities
14:50with ELN hotspots
14:52stabbing a boy
14:54like the one from the National
14:54that they almost killed him.
14:56I didn't see the activists
14:57left
14:58to defend that boy.
14:59He cannot enter
15:00the authority.
15:01Yes, you can enter.
15:02and there are no forbidden territories.
15:04The culture war,
15:05For example,
15:05It's the quantum
15:06of university autonomy.
15:08So independent.
15:09But self-employed
15:10to commit crimes?
15:11Or what are self-employed people for?
15:13I want that autonomy.
15:14so that there may be more freedom
15:15of the chair.
15:16But here still
15:17the Ministry of Education
15:18He's the one who decides.
15:20Then you tomorrow
15:21He's going to release a digital program
15:22and it's up to him to ask for permission
15:23to some officials
15:24who understand nothing
15:25and that in two years
15:26when they have permission
15:27that program
15:28It's already flying
15:29like when you
15:30Update on your cell phone.
15:32We have to break
15:33with a State
15:34that captured us.
15:36Cultural battle,
15:37For example,
15:38is to fill
15:39to all those boys
15:41from ICTEX
15:41with hatred
15:42so that they would vote
15:44by Petro
15:44and ended up leaving them
15:46without a way to study
15:47because they convince them
15:49of lies,
15:50because they capture
15:50activists
15:51through platforms
15:52digital
15:53to hate the State
15:54which is the one that is
15:55giving the possibility
15:56thanks to taxes
15:58from the private sector.
15:59So I think
16:00that Abelard understood
16:03What is the biggest challenge?
16:05The biggest challenge
16:07It is the human mind.
16:08You have to provide well-being
16:10but with well-being
16:12It is not enough.
16:13You can create
16:14a group
16:15with well-being
16:16that it becomes
16:17the biggest idiot
16:18like the Europeans
16:19or the gringos
16:20that walk on all fours
16:22with a dog collar
16:23barking at the police.
16:24That's not degradation.
16:26of human dignity.
16:27And I always put
16:28this example
16:29that went viral
16:30in an interview
16:32that I had with a journalist.
16:34Do you think
16:34that a mom
16:35poor
16:36that has to go
16:37to look for water
16:38with three little children
16:40He has time
16:40to think
16:41What is a dog?
16:42or cat
16:42or teria?
16:43No.
16:44Your moment
16:45It's about survival.
16:46Because
16:47society
16:47of well-being
16:48of the Western world
16:50mindset changed
16:51so that people
16:52becomes
16:53so stupid
16:54that creates
16:55what is an animal
16:55or that the children
16:57be confused
16:58in its genre?
16:59That's the battle
17:00cultural
17:01that must be given.
17:02The children
17:02first
17:04face
17:04imbecility
17:05collective
17:06and understand
17:07that we only go out
17:08together
17:08when we have
17:09common purposes
17:10despite
17:11of the differences.
17:12Those purposes
17:13common
17:13with De la Esprilla
17:14Have they discussed it?
17:15after possession?
17:16No no.
17:17I haven't spoken.
17:18I have friends.
17:19I am a friend
17:19of the ministers.
17:21I know them.
17:23If I write
17:24They answer me.
17:25And I always tell them
17:26Be careful with this.
17:28Something like this is happening.
17:29I want them to go
17:30good.
17:32That's what I'm working on.
17:33stripped
17:33of vanities
17:34and selfishness.
17:35It's my country.
17:36If he does well
17:37We're all doing well.
17:38Except for the thugs
17:39and well
17:40to the leftists
17:40it will be their turn
17:41not to stay
17:4230 semesters
17:43at university.
17:44It's something else.
17:45what do you have to do
17:46issue a decree
17:47from the Ministry of Education
17:48to fly
17:49to all those lazy people
17:50that they take away
17:51the quota
17:52to the one who wants to study.
17:53And we talked
17:54of what he likes
17:55of the government
17:55de la Esprilla.
17:56Is there anything
17:56that he doesn't like it?
17:58But the thing is
17:59It's like when
18:00they tell you
18:01I would like that
18:02and they answer you
18:03It's my government
18:04and I govern
18:05as I wish.
18:08What would I do?
18:09rather?
18:11I
18:13would have
18:15He has good ministers
18:16It has good
18:18and they have others
18:18with less profile
18:19but actually
18:20They are good
18:21and compared
18:22with the
18:23zoological
18:24that Petro had
18:25Please
18:25that not even
18:26They fulfilled the functions
18:27and it was their turn
18:27the user manual
18:29and it was their turn
18:29change it.
18:31I have always dreamed
18:33in what
18:34like the State
18:35He's the one who pays.
18:36by the cabinet
18:38no you
18:38with your company
18:39that you would have to pay
18:40the best board of directors
18:41so that they go.
18:42I would have
18:43to the best.
18:44Colombia
18:45has people
18:46so spectacular
18:48without opportunity
18:49of providing their service
18:50in politics
18:51It's in most
18:52from the private sector
18:53or have they already retired.
18:55I would have
18:55a cabinet
18:58exceptionally
18:58Well
18:58because people
18:59which is better
19:00that one
19:00It solves your life.
19:01It doesn't cause you any problems.
19:03me too
19:04Yes, I would leave.
19:05that
19:06after the
19:08cabinet meetings
19:09had a voice
19:10because that voice
19:11connects the citizen
19:12and connect
19:13the union
19:14with the specialty
19:15from that portfolio
19:15ministerial.
19:17I feel that communication
19:19not only
19:19It has to be
19:20of the president
19:21That gives it meaning
19:23of authority
19:23and image
19:24very strong
19:24But the thing is
19:25We need to govern
19:26as a team
19:26And that's not a criticism.
19:28but it is
19:29what I would do
19:30he does
19:31what he wants
19:32because he won
19:33and governs
19:33as he wants
19:34I would give them
19:35much more voice.
19:36And now to wrap things up
19:37You have also criticized
19:38the way it operates
19:39congressional
19:40He says he does nothing.
19:41You spent a lot of time
19:43there too
19:43at the moment
19:45What is your balance sheet?
19:46about the state of Congress
19:48with this new congress?
19:50I feel that the biggest challenge
19:51of the government
19:51it is the majority
19:52I think he's succeeding.
19:55the one who is
19:55in the worst of all possible worlds
19:56It is the democratic center
19:58because you can't go
19:59against the flow
19:59of the policies
20:01of the government
20:03But they're not giving it to him.
20:04for example
20:05enough voice
20:06and participation
20:08the government has said
20:08who doesn't want anything
20:09with the political class
20:10from no party
20:12wants to talk
20:13directly with mayors
20:14That's a challenge
20:16also in a country
20:17so highly captured
20:19by the political class
20:20but
20:20not everything can go
20:22in the same sack
20:22not all members of Congress
20:24They are bad
20:24and many mayors
20:26They have the endorsement
20:27of that congressman
20:28But it's your decision now.
20:30of the government
20:31that while the government
20:34I achieved
20:34cut
20:38the threads
20:40with which one catches
20:42to democracy
20:43which is the same
20:45to the clans
20:47electoral
20:48who are in charge
20:49to finance elections
20:51is released
20:5270%
20:53of the system
20:54if he succeeds
20:56identify
20:57as he said
20:57the president
20:58of the thorn
20:59Where are they?
21:00nested
21:01for years
21:03who are the ones who afterwards
21:05They make you choose
21:06congressmen
21:07mayors
21:08councilors
21:08if it breaks
21:10It's like when you
21:12breaks a monopoly
21:13and is freed
21:14and people can compete
21:15doctor
21:16thank you so much
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