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00:08Olá, e bem-vindo a The Ring, Euronews's weekly debate show,
00:13broadcasting to you live from the Albert Hall
00:16as part of Euronews's Tourism Summit.
00:18I'm Maeve McMahon, thank you so much for joining us
00:21and this very special edition, of course, with our live studio audience.
00:25In this very special episode, we'll be zooming into the topic of tourism across Europe
00:31and asking how it's affecting locals.
00:33We'll be checking if the EU has a role in trying to square that circle of the continent's worrying housing
00:39crisis.
00:40A warm welcome to our guests for this edition.
00:43Regina Doherty, Irish member of the European Parliament,
00:46a member of the European People's Party in the European Parliament
00:50and also a special committee member of the housing crisis in the European Union.
00:55We're also joined by Sergio Gonçalves, a Portuguese Socialist MEP from Madeira,
01:00a member of the European Parliament's Transport and Crucial Tourism Committee.
01:05So, Regina Doherty and Sergio Gonçalves, welcome to The Ring.
01:11So, Regina, let's start with you.
01:19Europe wants more tourists, right?
01:20But Europeans also want more homes.
01:23Can we have both?
01:24I think absolutely we can.
01:26I think the volume of tourism that we have seen increased and it's significant over the last number of years
01:32has obviously caused some pinch points, but it isn't the reason we have a housing emergency.
01:37The fact that we're not building enough houses is the reason we have a housing emergency.
01:41And so, when I look at tourism and I look at how reliant some of our countries are on it
01:45and some of the regions within those countries, I think we need to fix the problems that arise specifically from
01:51that
01:51and not then try and actually blame something that is a positive for all of our nations or most of
01:56our nations.
01:57Sergio Gonçalves, what would be your view there?
01:59According to Regina Doherty, it's not the tourism that's causing the housing problem,
02:03it is the lack of actual infrastructure.
02:05What's your view?
02:05Yes, actually, we've seen it on my island, on my region.
02:10As you can understand, tourism has a big impact on the island.
02:13It's our largest industry, so to say.
02:17And we haven't built enough houses to meet demands over the past two or three decades.
02:27So, now we really need more houses in the market.
02:31We need an affordable housing plan like the European Commission presented.
02:37And we need to do something to balance tourism with people living in the islands.
02:45But when it comes to actual dwellings itself, according to studies,
02:48there are millions of empty dwellings in cities and rural towns across Europe.
02:52They're just lying empty, Regina Doherty.
02:54So, when I look at this issue, as we have done over the last 20 months in the Housing Committee,
02:58and we've visited a number of countries to reflect on the different reasons why we're experiencing the problem,
03:04but ultimately the outcome for most of us is exactly the same.
03:06We have too few houses and the ones that we have being built are far too expensive.
03:10The housing stock across Europe, of which short-term lets obviously does feature,
03:16is 1.2% of the housing stock.
03:18The vacant stock across Europe is nearly 20%.
03:22And so, that's why I think I get frustrated when I see the Affordable Housing Act's very first legislative proposal
03:28is tinkering around recommendations for Airbnb or short-term lets
03:32that our municipalities, our local governments, our national governments could already have done if they wanted to do so.
03:38But even with this act, when it passes, won't compel anybody to do anything.
03:42So, it's not going to build a single house.
03:44And I'm just frustrated, having worked so long with everybody accepting and acknowledging
03:48we know what the crisis is and how much of an emergency it is,
03:52that this is the first reaction of the Commission.
03:54And, like, it's not to be critical, but I am genuinely frustrated,
03:58particularly when there are issues that are under the control and the regulation
04:03and the directives of the Commission, of the Parliament,
04:05where we could actually amend simplified change
04:08that would have an impactful outcome
04:10as opposed to tinkering around the edges with recommendations.
04:13And that just frustrates me.
04:14And I know I appreciate we're here to talk about tourism today
04:16and, obviously, short-term lets has a positive impact on it
04:20and a negative, necessarily, impact on housing.
04:22Well, it's interesting the topic of housing is dominating
04:25the Transport and Tourism Committee meetings as we speak right now in the European Parliament.
04:29And, of course, it's already one year since Ursula von der Leyen,
04:32the European Commission President, declared this housing emergency
04:35as a social crisis that we're dealing with right here.
04:37Well, I think that we need to look into funding for new houses.
04:43And there is some, well, the signals that the Commission presents
04:50are not on the right direction.
04:51If we need specific measures to implement on specific regions,
04:56we need funding, we need the regions to participate
05:00in defining the priorities, defining the programmes,
05:04implementing those programmes.
05:06So where does that funding come from?
05:07In the Commission proposal for the next MFF, for example,
05:10because we need to discuss budget.
05:12If we're discussing funding, we need to discuss the next multi-annual framework.
05:16So we see a centralised model that takes from regional and local authorities the ability to do it.
05:24So I think that's the first big change we need to apply in the negotiations over the next months
05:33so that we allow regional authorities, local authorities to implement political measures
05:40to solve this problem and to build more houses, to bring more houses into the markets.
05:45We've been blaming short-term rentals, but short-term rentals have had a positive impact,
05:51not only on income for some families, but also in renovating, in rehabilitation of city centres,
05:59many buildings that were obsolete, that were closed, and now they have an economic use and utility.
06:08So it's not to blame short-term rentals, it also has a problem in inflation,
06:17the prices of housing have increased because you also have less stock
06:21if you have some of the houses in the short-term rental market, that's obvious,
06:26but that's not the only reason.
06:28We haven't built houses, we don't have programmes or financing for building new houses.
06:34And people are looking for answers now, I don't know if you noticed,
06:37but just this very week, as we're here in Albert Hall, in Brussels, discussing this very issue,
06:42thousands of people have been taking to the streets of Madrid.
06:45In fact, many have been camping out overnight, drawing attention to the fact that the situation in Spain
06:51is worsening by day and by night.
06:53They're camping out by the Puerta del Sol.
06:55It seems a little bit similar to the Indignados movement, Regina Dari, that we saw many years ago.
07:00So I think just watching Spain this morning, and now the decision of the government
07:05to actually potentially ban evictions for a three-year period is a direct response
07:09of the inaction that we've seen by governments arising from something
07:13that we all have called a crisis for a number of years.
07:16I don't think there's a single country in Europe that isn't suffering from
07:19not enough houses being built, and there's a whole load of reasons for that,
07:23but even the ones that are being built for them being far too expensive
07:26for our young people to be able to be afforded.
07:27We know that people who have long-term rentals don't have the same security of tenure
07:31that they do in other countries, but these are things to be fixed by national parliaments,
07:36and I think maybe some have been more active in doing so, some less so, as you can see from
07:40Spain today,
07:40but none of that is going to be directed from a European Commission.
07:44And as Sergio said, if times were normal, we would be having a conversation
07:47as to how much of the MFF is going to be aligned for social cohesion,
07:51to build houses, particularly social and affordable houses, for all of our citizens.
07:55But as we all know, we're having an entirely different conversation
07:57as to how we're going to get a smaller budget to stretch much farther
08:00for things like defence and security, and housing is going to form part of a smaller budget,
08:05and people can decide what they want to do with themselves.
08:07That's not instructive, and that's not really leadership and showing guidance, I think.
08:11And when it comes to these short-term rentals, do we need a proper definition for what they are?
08:17Well, I think the definition exists, but the thing is, or the issue is,
08:22is that it affects different regions, different cities in a different way.
08:28Not all regions, not all member states are the same.
08:31Are you in favour of them?
08:32I'm from Madeira Island.
08:33Tourism is important.
08:35As I mentioned before, we're not in the same stage as Spain at the moment,
08:42having public demonstrations against tourism.
08:46But how do your voters feel about the short-term rentals?
08:49If you look at the recent survey, 90% of Madeirians think tourism is positive,
08:55and it's important for the island and for the economy,
08:57but 54% of them consider that we have over-tourism at the moment at the island.
09:02This is changing.
09:03We're famous for our hospitality, for promoting the island,
09:09for enjoying having tourists on the island and welcoming them.
09:16But now there is this feeling that we already have over-tourism,
09:19and it also has to do with social issues, with the lack of housing
09:22and the lack of measures to build houses.
09:25And as Regina just mentioned, we're building new houses,
09:28but the prices are not affordable for locals.
09:32So it's impossible to compete when we're building houses,
09:35and then we have, for example, American tourists buying those houses,
09:39and not locals, young people.
09:41There is no social housing.
09:43A few 600 houses have been built over the last three years,
09:48also with the IRF funding.
09:51Otherwise, we wouldn't have them.
09:52And that's my data.
09:53The situation is very serious as well in Lisbon,
09:55with locals being pushed out there, you know, with the tax breaks.
09:58It's exactly the same situation.
09:59The municipalities and the mayors have implemented some measures,
10:03and I think that's something positive out of the European affordable housing plan
10:08and the act that followed,
10:10that the European Commission understands that some decisions
10:13have to be made at local and regional level
10:16because it's their competence and they are able to do it.
10:20We need more data.
10:22We need specific data on the problem
10:25because it's different, as I mentioned in the beginning,
10:29not all regions are the same,
10:31and this doesn't impact all regions the same way.
10:35And to gather data, a good point,
10:36we've seen Croatia implemented its Tourism Act
10:39in order to be able to measure the impact, of course,
10:41this over-tourism is having on their environment and sustainability.
10:44Is that something you'd like to see all over the view?
10:47I think, you see, again,
10:48different regions are experiencing different issues,
10:50and so it's really understandable when I hear Sergio saying
10:52that there's young people in his area
10:54who obviously welcome tourists but are frustrated about the fact
10:59that there's houses being rented out
11:00and they don't have the houses to be able to buy themselves.
11:03If there were houses being built in Madeira, in Portugal,
11:05in excess of what's needed for the tourism industry,
11:07we wouldn't be having this conversation.
11:08If there was enough houses being built in Ireland,
11:11as there should be more being built,
11:13I probably wouldn't be here having this conversation.
11:14We wouldn't have a housing committee.
11:16But now I've seen you've both got warmed up,
11:17you've got plenty to say.
11:18We'll just take a little break.
11:24As always, we want to give our viewers a real glimpse,
11:27as I said, inside the hemicycle
11:29and see how you actually point at each other,
11:32ask each other questions, sometimes upset each other.
11:34That's exactly what you do.
11:36Sergio, would you like to kick off, please,
11:37with your first question for Regina Daugherty?
11:39Well, I would ask a question regarding your political family, PP.
11:46So you've been arguing that you should spend more
11:49on competitiveness, on defense,
11:53while also opposing to new resources
11:56and shifting funding away from social priorities.
12:01You have been a former minister,
12:04and specifically for social protection.
12:07Is this something that you envision,
12:10envisaged for the next MFF,
12:13this shift and the different priorities
12:16that we have at this moment
12:17that are harming social priorities
12:20and taking funding away from them?
12:23So it's a very good question,
12:24and you obviously, even though we've only met today,
12:25you know me so well.
12:27I am a former social affairs minister in Ireland
12:30for five years.
12:31The particular issues,
12:33and particularly the pillar of social rights,
12:35is incredibly important to me.
12:36But these things don't happen by accident,
12:38they happen with money.
12:39They happen with targets.
12:40They happen with ring-fenced money.
12:42And as you're aware,
12:43and I'm sure this happens in other parties too,
12:45I find myself on the opposite side to my party
12:48with a lot of these social issues.
12:50And I really believe
12:51we can actually have competitiveness and investment
12:53by also investing in our young people,
12:56by addressing the poverty gaps,
12:57by making sure that people have a roof over their head,
13:00somewhere to call home.
13:01They're not mutually exclusive.
13:02If we don't look after the young people today
13:04with the youth guarantee of 20 billion,
13:06we're going to have nobody in 20 years' time
13:07to pay the pensions of the people like me
13:09who will be retired in 20 years' time.
13:11And so they're definitely not mutually exclusive.
13:13So I'm not really probably answering the question
13:16except to say I do find myself
13:17not only trying to convince my EPP colleagues
13:20of the merits of supporting the social issues
13:22that I believe in,
13:23but then sometimes find myself voting against them,
13:26which I'm happy to do
13:27because I live with my own conscience
13:28and I really know what the right thing to do is.
13:30And do you lose friends because of it?
13:32Do you know, as you know what politics is like,
13:34sometimes you do,
13:35sometimes it'll last for a few days,
13:36sometimes it might last longer.
13:38But you know what,
13:39doing the right thing,
13:40there's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
13:41So that's just the way I feel about it.
13:43Okay, Regina.
13:44Sergio, you're,
13:45Regina, excuse me,
13:46your question now.
13:46My first question.
13:47So because I've spent so much
13:49talking about the housing issue
13:51for the last couple of years,
13:52and I know you're not on the housing committee,
13:53so I'm sorry if I'm putting you on the spot.
13:55I put in 400 amendments to the housing report.
13:57I really felt that we put our heart and soul
14:00into recognising what the top maybe three or four issues,
14:04big ticket issues that the commission could do.
14:06And then the commissioner came out last week
14:08with the housing act
14:09that kind of tinkered around the edges.
14:10How do you think we can better work together
14:13as the centre group of parties
14:15to make sure we actually deliver
14:16a piece of legislation
14:17that's going to make sure it's easier
14:19to build, build, build,
14:21and not do the easy stuff first?
14:24Well, I think we share the frustration
14:27you mentioned being a member
14:28of the special committee on housing.
14:31I'm not on that committee, as you know,
14:33but we discussed it in the Trent Committee
14:35on Transport and Tourism,
14:37and I totally agree that we need to do more.
14:40And this proposal from the commission
14:42lacks ambition.
14:44So we need specific funding for housing.
14:48We need the decentralised model on the MFF,
14:51as I mentioned,
14:52to allow regions and local authorities
14:54to participate
14:55and to define their own priorities
14:58on several issues
15:00and social issues, of course,
15:02are one of them.
15:03I think there are some good signs
15:06in the act,
15:08for example, reducing complexity,
15:11cutting red tape,
15:13for example, with regards to state aid.
15:16So having the exemption for affordable housing,
15:20I think that's very important.
15:22But then we need,
15:23we cannot discuss this
15:24only focusing on tourism,
15:27specifically on short-term rentals
15:29and on building more houses.
15:32For example, in my region, in Malera,
15:34we need to look at the economy
15:38as a whole
15:39and the impact that tourism has
15:42and understand that
15:44if our main industry is tourism,
15:46tourism isn't known
15:48for paying high salaries
15:50compared to other industries.
15:52So we're stuck in a trap.
15:54So we also need to discuss
15:55the diversification of our economy,
15:58creating new jobs,
16:00betting on, for example,
16:01AI, new technologies,
16:03new jobs,
16:05qualified jobs
16:06with higher salaries
16:07so that young people
16:09have the right to stay
16:10and we also have a new strategy
16:11on the right to stay
16:13presented by the Vice President Fito.
16:15So we need to look
16:16at all these strategies together
16:18in order to solve this.
16:20I think that if we are pro-Europeans,
16:23not only worried about our retirement,
16:26but with the future
16:28of the European Union,
16:29we need to stick together
16:31and to present amendments
16:33and to push the Commission
16:35at least for being more ambitious.
16:38But then, we are talking
16:40about an emergency,
16:41a crisis.
16:42We all acknowledge,
16:43like in my own country,
16:45we need to be building
16:4550,000 houses a year
16:47just to satisfy demand.
16:48We're only on 38,000,
16:4939,000.
16:50So there still is barriers.
16:52And across the European Union,
16:53we're told we need to build
16:54millions of houses.
16:55And again,
16:56we know what the issues are
16:57from a European competency,
16:59what can actually be done
17:00to try and alleviate,
17:02simplify,
17:02put the financing on board.
17:04And you absolutely are right
17:05to acknowledge,
17:05and I apologize
17:06I didn't do it earlier on,
17:06the changing of the state date rules
17:08is a game changer,
17:09particularly for municipalities
17:10to be able to afford
17:11to financially support
17:13social and affordable homes
17:15in our member states.
17:16But there is so much more
17:17to be done.
17:19And I think I'm just frustrated
17:20at the pace
17:21at which we're doing.
17:23And I'm sure our viewers are too,
17:24especially those out
17:25protesting this week
17:26in Madrid,
17:27sleeping in tents,
17:28in fact,
17:28by the Porta del Sol,
17:29very reminiscent
17:30of the days
17:31of the Indignado movement
17:32many, many years ago.
17:34But now we have heard
17:35from our MEPs,
17:37and I'd like to bring in
17:37another view.
17:42So for our quote
17:43of the week
17:44on this edition
17:44of The Ring,
17:45I'd like to bring in
17:46the voice of
17:46Eduardo Santander.
17:47He is the CEO
17:48of the European
17:49Travel Commission.
17:50He was speaking here live,
17:51and he had some
17:52very profound words.
17:54He said,
17:54climate change
17:55is the biggest threat
17:56to tourism.
17:57Right now,
17:58by far,
17:59he said,
17:59we see that trains
18:00cannot run sometimes
18:01because the rails
18:02are expanded,
18:03because of the heat,
18:04and we saw this
18:05on the cruise lines
18:06because of the
18:06European rivers.
18:07They couldn't run
18:08because it was too dry.
18:09This is a topic
18:10that we have not
18:11touched on yet
18:11in this debate.
18:12This is a huge
18:13issue for you.
18:15It is.
18:16I have to give you
18:17a concrete example.
18:19I'm from an island.
18:21We have one airport.
18:22The second airport
18:24is on a second island
18:25on a two-and-a-half-hour
18:28distance by ferry,
18:29and we have lots
18:31of constraints
18:33at the airport
18:33due to the high winds
18:35that we get
18:36due to the global warming
18:38and climate change.
18:40And that is something
18:40that we need
18:41to find alternatives.
18:43I also believe
18:44that,
18:46and going
18:48slightly into
18:49a different subject,
18:50we have a strategy
18:52for the outermost regions,
18:53which I will also be
18:54the rapporteur
18:55for the parliament,
18:57and I think
18:57that we can
18:59take advantage
19:00of these regions
19:01as laboratories
19:03to test new technologies,
19:05to test new solutions
19:06that then we can export
19:08to the other member states.
19:10And it's something
19:12that we need to address.
19:13And just one example
19:14I didn't mention before
19:15with regards to housing,
19:17also having the
19:18one-size-fits-all
19:21perspective
19:22from the commission
19:23will not work
19:24because when we're
19:26building new houses,
19:27in Madeira,
19:27we have regulation
19:28that obliges
19:30construction companies
19:32to build houses
19:33as if they were
19:34building them
19:34in northern Sweden.
19:36So it doesn't work
19:37for us.
19:37The climate is different.
19:39There is climate change,
19:40there is global warming,
19:41but still,
19:41Europe is very diverse.
19:43So it's an issue
19:45and we need to address,
19:46but also with
19:47the local perspective
19:48and respecting
19:49the principle
19:50of subsidiarity.
19:51But now we just
19:52take a little break.
20:00another island
20:02witnessing global warming
20:03is Ireland,
20:04of course.
20:04We're seeing
20:04temperatures and beaches
20:06flooded,
20:06almost looks like
20:07Portugal now,
20:08the beaches of Ireland,
20:09but the country
20:09is clearly ready.
20:11I'm somebody
20:12that's old enough
20:12that when I was
20:13in my 20s and 30s,
20:15you went to Portugal,
20:16Greece, Spain
20:17on your holidays.
20:18That's where you went
20:19because it rains
20:20all of the time
20:21in Ireland, right?
20:21And so the only place
20:22you're getting a bit of freckles
20:23is going away.
20:25Not anymore.
20:25We had an amazing summer,
20:27but it was what we would expect
20:29a normal summer
20:30to be in Portugal.
20:32And I went to Athens
20:33for five days
20:34with my husband
20:35to see the Acropolis
20:36and it was 38 degrees
20:37every day,
20:38which rendered the holiday
20:40nearly impossible.
20:41So if you didn't
20:42stay beside the sea
20:43to jump in and out
20:44every 10 or 15 minutes,
20:45you just weren't coping.
20:46That's a far greater threat
20:48to our tourism industry
20:50on the entire continent
20:51of Europe
20:51than Airbnb
20:52or short-term lets
20:53will ever be.
20:54And yet now,
20:55we're only going to start
20:56having that conversation
20:57and maybe it's the reality
20:57of the summer.
20:58It's no longer a priority.
20:59It's no longer a political priority
21:00despite the fact
21:01that it's now September
21:02and it's 30 degrees
21:03in Brussels this week.
21:04I know.
21:05So when I see us talking
21:07about 1.2%
21:09of the entire housing stock
21:11is a problem,
21:12when we actually should be
21:13really talking
21:13and concentrating
21:14on the real issues
21:15because, I mean,
21:16Ireland as a nation
21:17is an island native.
21:18We didn't have tourism.
21:19One of our pillars
21:20of our economy
21:21would literally fall flat.
21:23You're the same.
21:25The real threat to that
21:26and actually maybe
21:27it's of Ireland's benefit
21:28and when you can't go
21:28to Portugal on your holidays
21:29anymore,
21:29you'll be able to come
21:30to Ireland
21:31because it will only be
21:32in the 20 degrees
21:33but it's an enormous problem
21:35that we have to address
21:35and I don't think
21:36we've actually even started
21:37having that conversation.
21:38And of course,
21:38the trends are changing indeed
21:40when it comes to travel preferences.
21:41You can read more about them
21:42on yournews.com
21:43but now it is time
21:44to move on
21:45to our next round.
21:50So as always here
21:51on The Ring,
21:52we like to find out
21:52what's keeping Europeans
21:54up at night,
21:55regular citizens
21:56back home
21:56on their sofas.
21:57Well,
21:58according to the latest
21:59Eurobarometer,
22:00lack of affordable housing
22:01right up there on top,
22:0351%.
22:03After that,
22:05unemployment
22:05and lack of job opportunities.
22:08Underneath,
22:08lack of quality
22:09public services
22:10followed by poverty
22:11or homelessness.
22:12Now this barometer
22:14comes of course
22:14just on the cusp
22:16of 2027
22:17when we're ready
22:17for big elections
22:18taking place in France,
22:19Italy,
22:21Poland
22:21and Spain.
22:23Your reaction?
22:24Well,
22:25I think it's
22:26an example
22:27of some
22:30lack of alignment
22:31between
22:32the European priorities
22:33in our discussions
22:34and what Europeans feel.
22:36No security in defence,
22:37that's what I was going
22:38to mention.
22:39So we're
22:40cutting
22:41budget,
22:42we're cutting
22:43funding for social
22:44priorities,
22:45for social issues,
22:47we're betting
22:47on defence,
22:48on security,
22:49we're centralising
22:50the cohesion policy
22:51which is our
22:52largest investment
22:53policy in the
22:55European Union
22:55and I'm a strong
22:57believer that
22:58the biggest
23:01or the best
23:02investment
23:02we can make
23:03in defence
23:03is cohesion policy.
23:05It's not defence
23:06and security,
23:07it's not
23:08a budget
23:09for military.
23:11Would you agree
23:11with that?
23:12Do you know,
23:13I don't know
23:13and it's funny,
23:14I say this to you
23:14coming from Ireland
23:15where we're
23:15the furthest
23:16little island
23:17and for me
23:18Russia is
23:19hundreds of
23:20thousands of
23:20miles away
23:21but when you
23:22talk to colleagues
23:23from the European
23:23bloc countries
23:25there's a real fear
23:26and I can appreciate
23:27and understand
23:28why security
23:29is incredibly
23:29important for them
23:30and it rarely
23:31comes up in
23:31conversations at home
23:32albeit that
23:33that is changing
23:34because of our
23:35infrastructure
23:35and our lack
23:36of ability
23:36to be able
23:37to look
23:37after our
23:37maritime
23:38or our
23:39IT infrastructure
23:41but if you
23:41go back
23:42to the poll
23:42number one
23:44number two
23:44and number four
23:45in that poll
23:45could be addressed
23:46if we built
23:47more houses
23:47and we built
23:48them faster
23:48and so we'd
23:49address the cost
23:50of living
23:50and giving people
23:51a roof over their
23:52head
23:52we'd address
23:53the homelessness
23:53issue
23:54by building
23:54more houses
23:55we'd address
23:56the employment
23:56issue
23:56by giving
23:57millions of
23:57people jobs
23:58building houses
23:59with quality
24:00jobs of
24:00quantity
24:01surveyors
24:01architects
24:02engineers
24:02because people
24:04are leaving
24:04young people
24:05are leaving
24:05and actually
24:06they're leaving
24:07to go to
24:08australia
24:08new zealand
24:09and build
24:09the homes
24:09over there
24:10so you know
24:11we need to make
24:11sure that we
24:12address these
24:12issues to look
24:13after our own
24:13citizens
24:14similar situation
24:15in portugal
24:16yes and just
24:18just to be clear
24:18it's this doesn't
24:20mean that i don't
24:20think defense
24:21and security
24:22should be a
24:23priority
24:23we we are
24:25in the opposite
24:25side of of
24:26europe of the
24:27european union
24:28but we have
24:28borders with
24:29the united states
24:30maritime borders
24:31madeira and
24:32azores
24:32we have the
24:33submarine cables
24:34in our
24:35territory that
24:36we need to
24:36defend and
24:37protect
24:37we have the
24:38shadow the
24:39russian shadow
24:40fleet in
24:41portuguese
24:41waters every
24:42day so we
24:43have also
24:44challenges and
24:45defense and
24:46defense issues
24:47to to address
24:48what i mean by
24:51having the
24:52the cohesion
24:53policy as our
24:54strongest or
24:55best investment
24:56for defense is
24:57that we are
24:58completely doomed
24:59when the the
25:00portuguese feel
25:01that they don't
25:02need to to be
25:03solidary with
25:04the with the
25:05polish or when
25:06the the spanish
25:07feel that it's a
25:08romanian problem
25:09it's not a
25:09spanish problem
25:10that's why we need
25:11to stick together
25:12and to and to
25:13have the the
25:13the cohesion
25:14policy still as
25:16our main policy
25:17because it it
25:18addresses the
25:19housing issues
25:20but also many of
25:22the other issues
25:22that we are
25:23discussing here
25:23okay and that's
25:24the big discussion
25:25in brussels the
25:26battle over the
25:26bottle over the
25:27budget that we're
25:28following very
25:29closely on
25:30euro news well
25:31now it is time
25:31for our fifth and
25:33final round
25:37and as always here
25:38we do something a
25:39little bit different
25:39we ask you
25:40questions and
25:41you're allowed
25:41answer with yes
25:42or no is that
25:44feasible for
25:45politicians no
25:46impossible
25:48indeed well let's
25:49let's give it a
25:49shot does europe
25:50have a problem
25:51with over tourism
25:52regina yes or
25:53no no no
25:55is mass tourism
25:57sustainable yes or
25:58no no
25:59no if we fix the
26:01problems yes
26:02should tourists pay
26:04more taxes yes or
26:05no the eu doesn't
26:07have a competency on
26:08taxes that's a
26:08responsibility of local
26:09and member states to
26:10make up for their own
26:11mind so no no
26:12should tourists pay
26:14more taxes tourists
26:15who come to madeira
26:16no depends on regions
26:17should portals like
26:19airbnb face tougher
26:21rules yes or no
26:22yes yes
26:24should local communities
26:25have the right to ban
26:26cruise ships yes or no
26:29again yes depending on
26:31regions
26:32it's up to them yes
26:33see everything needs a
26:34little bit more context
26:35should the eu have a
26:36direct role in fixing
26:37national housing crisis
26:39yes or no
26:41no i say that they
26:43should allow them to
26:44have the the tools but
26:46it's their decision i
26:49think they should fix the
26:50things they're responsible
26:51for which is a great
26:52start with simplification
26:54the financing the
26:55state aid rules things
26:56that we actually have
26:56control over from a
26:57european competency
26:58perspective not fiddle
26:59around with stuff that
27:00local governments can do
27:01themselves and will the
27:02eu affordable housing
27:03act will actually lower
27:05rents for young people
27:05yes or no
27:07i don't think what we
27:08have so far is going to
27:09build a single house
27:10and so therefore no
27:11won't
27:12sir do yes or no
27:13as it is now no
27:15and are you optimistic
27:16that the housing problem
27:17in europe can be fixed
27:18one day yes or no
27:20yes hell yes
27:22gonzalez and regina
27:23doherty thank you so
27:24much you have been our
27:25guests this week on the
27:26ring thank you so much
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