00:00Obviously, Darlene Love didn't get the success that she was due at the time, but you also had black artists
00:05who were popular and successful, but only up to a permitted point.
00:08People like Chuck Berry, Little Richard, lots of the early pioneers of rock and roll.
00:12White radio stations didn't want to play them.
00:15Record stores didn't want to promote them in the same way because they were seen as niche artists.
00:19So seen as, you know, making black music for black people.
00:22And it was, you know, Motown and people like Phil Spector for all of his flaws who helped the black
00:28sound to become part of the mainstream sound.
00:30Obviously, you have seen now, you know, lots of those icons of rock and roll and R&B who are
00:36now rightly seen as sort of the pioneers of those sounds and are appreciated.
00:39But I think even now, female and black and especially black female performers might be appreciated for their talent,
00:47but they're not always credited with the influence that they exerted on music more broadly.
