Gayle King SPEECHLESS After Juror Admits Sole Lindsay Clancy Holdout Was A Black Man!

Doc Rich

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00:00At first, Nick Dargy, juror number 10, told us several jurors leaned toward a guilty verdict,

00:04but eventually there was just one holdout who he said expressed doubt about the case,

00:09but voted to convict Clancy anyway.

00:11It was definitely frustrating.

00:13Mainly frustrating when he explicitly said,

00:18you know, I don't know if the prosecution or the defense proved their case.

00:22He expressed that?

00:23Right.

00:24Yeah.

00:24Take me inside the deliberation room.

00:26There was times where, you know, our vote was different than the last day.

00:32But I think ultimately once we laid out all of the evidence and how we saw it,

00:39that really brought everyone kind of on the same page except for this one juror.

00:44There was several times I would ask him to show us, like, evidence or, you know,

00:51just drive a witness testimony that helped to prove what he was saying.

00:56And he couldn't, which is why we ultimately sent in that note.

01:00Otherwise, like, there's nothing wrong with somebody having a completely opposite opinion.

01:05Like, that's, you know, that would be a hung jury.

01:07That, like, that is our justice system.

01:09But he wouldn't engage or couldn't find something to support his view?

01:14There was times he wouldn't engage.

01:15Like, he'd be scrolling on his phone while people were talking to him.

01:20You know, things like that.

01:22Dargy told us one time he confronted the holdout after the man picked up what Clancy used to strangle her

01:28kids.

01:29He took the exercise band out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle,

01:35and tied the band around the water bottle and pulled it.

01:40Did he explain why he did that?

01:42No.

01:44He might have.

01:45I'm not entirely...

01:46I think I was just so shocked that he did that.

01:49Is that a mimic of how she killed the children?

01:53Yeah, I assume so, yeah.

01:56What did you think when he did that?

01:58I was shocked.

01:58It didn't make any sense to me.

02:00We're not in here to play detective or...

02:03It's not a game of clue.

02:05Like, this is serious.

02:07I asked him, why are you doing that?

02:10That's a band that was used to strangle a child.

02:12It's disgusting.

02:14Dargy is 25.

02:15He was serving in the military overseas and knew nothing about the case before he was picked as a juror.

02:21Now, he says, it haunts him.

02:23I can't close my eyes without imagining those kids.

02:26But, you know, sitting through all that evidence, sitting through all that witness, test him up.

02:32We got to talk about Lindsay Clancy once again because CBS This Morning had one of the jurors on the

02:42show.

02:43And Gayle King, okay, was absolutely surprised when she heard who the juror was.

02:52Because, remember, there was one holdout.

02:55And she was surprised at who this juror said it was.

03:01And I want to jump into it because it's kind of interesting.

03:05Kind of interesting.

03:06And as you heard there, you know, the other juror, the other guy that you saw there was also a

03:10juror.

03:11And you heard him speaking about the one holdout juror as well there.

03:17It's going to be quite interesting when you hear who it was.

03:21So, let's dive into it.

03:24Check it out.

03:24The case that has really captivated the country.

03:28We're talking about the Lindsay Clancy murder case.

03:30And we are all still talking about that case.

03:32On Thursday, Clancy's attorney, Kevin Reddington, filed a motion asking for the judge to acquit her and throw out the

03:39case.

03:39We're also learning new information about what happened behind closed doors during the jury deliberations.

03:44One of those jurors was Paula Devlin, who we're happy to say joins us in studio.

03:49Paula, thank you so much.

03:50You're welcome.

03:51Because I know that many of you are feeling a lot of pressure these days.

03:54But I want to get right to the vote.

03:56The vote was 11 to 1, as we know.

03:58But when you initially went into the deliberation room, it wasn't 11 to 1.

04:03No, it wasn't.

04:03What was the split at that time?

04:05It was 8, 2, and 2.

04:08So, 8 people were leaning towards not responsible.

04:13Two hadn't decided.

04:14And two thought guilty.

04:18What was your vote?

04:19I was leaning towards not responsible from all the evidence I had heard.

04:23And I had certain things that I wanted to look at when we got into deliberation.

04:28And everything that we talked about and every point that everybody in the room made just kind of reinforced that

04:36more and more.

04:37For you?

04:38Yes.

04:38I'm curious about the jurors themselves, because we know it was nine women, three men.

04:43What was the age range?

04:45What was the racial makeup?

04:46I haven't heard any of that.

04:47What was it?

04:5070-ish to 22.

04:52Mm-hmm.

04:52And one person of color, and then everybody else was white.

05:01A lot of the jurors had children.

05:04Uh-huh.

05:04And one person of color was a person of color a woman or a man?

05:08A man.

05:09Wait for it.

05:10Is a holdout juror a person, a black man?

05:14Yes.

05:15A black man is a holdout juror?

05:17Yes.

05:19Well, I'll have to sit with that for just a second.

05:24Was there...

05:24Um...

05:25Hold on, wait.

05:26Why do you have to sit with it for a second?

05:28What's wrong with that?

05:30Is the black man just supposed to capitulate and go along with whatever else, you know, the white liberals have

05:35to say?

05:41Oh, man.

05:42And so there you have it.

05:44The one holdout juror, the one who made sure that, nah, Lindsey Clancy ain't about to just walk away with

05:53this.

05:54Mm-mm.

05:54At least not today.

05:55Right?

05:56Not today.

05:57Not today.

05:58uh was a black man oh wait hold on i gotta i gotta sit with that one why why would

06:10you have had to

06:11oh man i gotta sit with that one if it was a white man oh man i gotta sit with

06:17that if it was a white

06:18lady why why why because it's a black man we we just supposed to capitulate to whatever y'all say

06:24yes sir master yes sir

06:30it's almost as if like that like that's what she expects yes sir master

06:37my my democrat queens my democrat kings yes sir i i i i's go as long with it

06:46my goodness man this is crazy absolutely crazy but anyway let's keep it rolling

06:52was there any specific evidence that swayed you or and i'm very curious about the evidence that he

07:01was opposed to let's talk about the evidence for you first i think dr resnick his testimony about

07:09altruistic filicide was really impactful because all throughout the trial we had all the witnesses

07:17there had been nothing but good said about lindsey and how amazing of a mother she was and how much

07:24she loved her children we saw that in every picture that was taken of the house on the night that

07:31this

07:31happened everywhere you look there was just love there was a big sign that said it's a wonderful life

07:39and you know there wasn't anything that said she wasn't that and then to hear somebody talking about

07:47a real reason why all of a sudden this could happen that was really impactful

07:53there's the fact that her mother-in-law testified on her behalf and her husband testified on her behalf

07:59did that have pull any weight for you yes it did i think the prosecution

08:04tried to nudge patrick to say something derogatory and he wouldn't and you know that was very impactful

08:12even after all this time and even after knowing that this happened and losing his three children

08:18he still couldn't say anything really bad about her i think people still struggle with the case when

08:24they think about the children and a lot of us do not understand postpartum psychosis myself included

08:29i've done a deep dive now since this case has started but many people are still hung up that you

08:35can google about going to cvs how long it takes you can have a conversation with your husband and you

08:41appear to be coherent uh you don't indicate that there's anything wrong did the jury struggle with

08:48that that how she was able to seemingly be so coherent but at the same time be having a psychotic

08:55breakdown yes you all discussed that yes yes and i think that was one of the things that the whole

09:02doubt juror really that was one of his main points was what he couldn't wrap his head around yeah that

09:10she could do this one at a time and then you know do all the steps that she did to

09:16go commit suicide

09:18and i think that's legit that is legit and i would have felt the exact same way

09:25if you're in this psychosis how are you able to plan all of this stuff out oh yeah i'm gonna

09:30send him

09:31i'm gonna send my husband to the store so he's not here to stop me you know what i mean

09:37and not only

09:38that but then also when you look at the whole situation when it comes to actually strangling

09:43uh you know the little kids that's not something that is instant it's not like a gunshot where you just

09:50you know bang bang done bang done bang bang you know what i mean like though that's instantaneous

09:58right you you you can you can knock off three people in three seconds boom boom boom one to the

10:06head boom boom boom you know what i mean like that that can happen very quickly but when you straggle

10:12someone that takes time that takes time three to five minutes if i remember correctly according to

10:19some experts three to five minutes so you're sitting there you're sitting there watching your

10:26children squirm and scream and the other ones are scared and terrified and you're choking them to death

10:33for three whole minutes at least each and not only that one of the boys ran away

10:40so once you were done with these two you got up chase the other one into your husband's office

10:47and then did the same to him like no you are guilty and i posted this on x today matter

10:53of fact go and

10:53follow if you don't follow me on x go follow me on x link is in the description it's at

10:57the real doc

10:58rich but i posted this on x and i said um you know so i posted hot take of 2026

11:05if you kill a kid

11:07the reason doesn't matter and uh you know i 100 believe that excuse me i 100 believe that i don't

11:18care what your reasoning is you killed a kid if we're walking around making excuses for people

11:25killing folks um we're in trouble we're in trouble but then also as women for those of you that are

11:34actually saying and have some common sense you're in trouble too because now you're going to be lumped

11:39into this group who are going to have a whole lot of legal issues because now that's going to be

11:46used

11:47in court oh well we saw what you know lindsey clancy you know that whole case that whole trial you

11:53know

11:53hey custody battle dad's going to get it dad's not at risk of possibly you know pine boxing the

12:00children so dad's going to get custody you know what i mean but pilots oh we can't have a we

12:08can't

12:08have a female pilot what if she's going through a psychosis we wouldn't even know how would you know

12:16and what if she decides you know what today's the day i'm crashing this plane

12:22you know what i'm saying like police officers uh you know any any type of position of authority

12:28no presidents for sure what is what if she's going through a psychosis you know

12:37so let's let's not make excuses for this stuff let's hold people accountable to the fullest extent

12:41of the law and uh i believe anybody who harms children um should get the death penalty one thousand

12:49percent no questions asked and that's what i think lindsey clancy should get in this case the death

12:54penalty and what did you all do to try to convince him because clearly it was 8-2-2 so

13:01not in the

13:02beginning there were people who felt the same way that he did was there did you all work together as

13:09a group to try to convince him and what appeared to be his main resistance we all work together and

13:16i

13:16don't know if it was to convince him to start with we all work together to convince ourselves

13:23and um once we got to that point where it was 10-2 it was really hard not i felt

13:31very bad for them

13:32because they felt attacked and there's no way to not do that because that's where we were talking at one

13:40point

13:40it was 10-2 yes and you know even in normal conversation when it's pointed at you and you

13:48have to defend yourself it's a hard thing to do we don't have to always do that and so he

13:55he really um

13:58just the way that it happened like the sequence of how things happen yeah and then

14:04we watched the video of lindsey's interview and after that he said he had realized that it wasn't

14:14murder in the first degree that's where we saw his doubt you know uh lindsey's attorney kevin

14:20reddington has now filed a motion where he says he wants the judge to acquit her and throw out the

14:25case

14:25how do you feel about that i don't feel good about that part of the reason why

14:32we wanted not responsible was that everybody wants justice for the children those children never left

14:42that room they've never left our hearts and that was a way to get justice for those children

14:51this wouldn't have happened if lindsey didn't get lost in the system and failed by the system

14:57her attorney said repeatedly she tried for help what for you what would be justice for lindsey for

15:02you and then we'll we'll go i think they're not responsible and and getting the help that she

15:07needs and making more awareness about postpartum any part of it and making more awareness about

15:14the gap in she called the suicide hotline two times and they turned her away because she didn't

15:21have a plan but she kept telling everybody she wanted to commit suicide all right i'm very fascinated

15:27i don't care how many times you tell people you want to pine box yourself or do x y and

15:32z

15:33if you kill a kid you deserve the death penalty no questions asked i'm i'm sick of people using

15:38mental health as an excuse for this as an excuse for that as a matter of fact i got a

15:42video i don't

15:43know which channel i'm gonna upload it on it it just depends quite honestly i may upload it to my

15:48second channel if you're not subscribed over there definitely go and subscribe um link is in the

15:53description it is called extra rich by the way without an e at the beginning with it starts

15:59with an x x t r a space r i c h but um i'm so sick of people using

16:08mental health as an excuse

16:09to do bullshit excuse my language but that's what it is you know to do bs to do disgusting

16:17things and have disgusting behavior oh it was my mental health i was depressed i was

16:23i was feeling lonely i was feeling sad i was i've been seeing you take coaches like no you did

16:29something horrible you pay for it simple what are we talking about what are we talking about so

16:35because i'm sad and you know i'm depressed i get to go put somebody six feet in the dirt like

16:40no that

16:41is crazy it's crazy like where are we going like this is just like honestly it's a little scary

16:48scary it really is because now we're making excuses for people being able to kill people

16:55and it's just like we've already seen i don't know if you guys have seen it and maybe i'll make

17:01a video

17:01on it if you guys are interested but we've already seen a couple different copycat situations like

17:07lindsey clancy's like within like the past few weeks i've seen several of them

17:17like that is an issue that is a problem and we shouldn't just simply yeah sure somebody may

17:24be genuinely going through something but i don't care if you kill somebody you get the death penalty

17:29simple and plain simple and plain you know like that it's just i'm sick of that man i really am

17:41but

17:41anyway get in the comments let me know your thoughts and your opinions as always stay safe out there peace

17:44and love i'm out

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