00:00Right, let's cut across to my colleague Samarth Shivastava now joining us for more perspective on what really is going
00:05on.
00:06Samarth, right now it's still early stages and early days of election.
00:10And we are pretty much hearing the usual.
00:12The BJP raising the issue of good governance, no gundagardi as has been, you know, sort of associated with the
00:19SP.
00:20The opposition on the other hand divided over the Muslim vote bank yet again.
00:26In this time around, as we get closer to elections, is it the same issues that you see resurfacing this
00:32time around or is there something different?
00:36Has Gen Z had a factor so far at least in how the election planning is going on?
00:45See, Gen Z will definitely have a factor, a very strong factor if you talk about this coming with the
00:50Pradesh elections.
00:50Because what we have seen around Jantar Mantar, what we have seen in various pending recruitments in the state of
00:57Uttar Pradesh,
00:58this is the moment for them, in a way, at least to raise their anger against the government.
01:03So that anger, because we saw what happened in Jantar Mantar and all the students who gathered there were definitely
01:09not from New Delhi.
01:10Many of them would have been from Uttar Pradesh of having a voter ID of different districts.
01:16So that can impact that particular thing in the coming elections.
01:19But if you talk about the core issues right here, see, the Muslim vote bank is a very crucial vote
01:25bank in Uttar Pradesh.
01:26And this has been a very faithful vote bank if you talk about assembly elections for Samajwadi party.
01:31And if you talk about Luxawai election, it has been with the Congress party.
01:35But Asad Uddin Ovesi, now the Samajwadi party is calling him the Abdul of BJP.
01:42While Asad Uddin Ovesi has come out with a slogan, Abdul Abdari Nahi Bichhayega.
01:47He, in a way, targets Samajwadi party.
01:49The Samajwadi party has always used the Muslim vote bank, but have never given them any such pose, such recognition
01:55in the times previously.
01:58While the Samajwadi party has been attacking on the Ovesi and calls him the BJP's B team.
02:02So this is one narrative, if you see from the perspective of the AIMM, they are targeting those seats which
02:08are Muslim dominated.
02:09Though, surprisingly, these are the seats which have the stronghold of Samajwadi party.
02:13It's Rampur, it's Azamgarh, it's Kairana, it's Behraich.
02:17But if you talk with the perspective of AIMM, it's good for them that they are going at the places
02:21where there is Muslim domination.
02:22But if you see from the perspective of the India alliance, their Ovesi is targeting those assembly seats where either
02:30Congress is strong or Samajwadi party is strong.
02:33And that's why both Congress and AIMM and Samajwadi party are calling AIMM BJP's B team.
02:40Interestingly, third front is also on the cards with Chandrasekhar Ravan might join hands with the AIMM.
02:45So it's going to be worth seeing if that Pichhla, Dalit plus M factor comes around with the third front,
02:52how this will cope a loss to the India alliance?
02:56As BJP will be in the favourable condition if Muslim vote banks get shifted to the third front.
03:01So it's going to be worth seeing and that's the ground reality from Uttar Pradesh.
03:03Back to you.
03:05Yeah, but Samajwadi, help me understand this.
03:07When it comes to Chandrasekhar or Ravan, as we know, has he managed to swipe away all the BSP vote
03:16base or is it still a social media phenomena where we don't see a lot of ground support?
03:25See, Ravan has made an impact at least at that particular area where he won that particular Lok Sabha seat.
03:31And with the decline of the Bahujan Samaj party, because the many opposition leaders have already labelled the BSP as
03:38the BJP's B team.
03:40And we have seen how Mayawati hasn't been much vocal against the Safran party in the recent times.
03:45And that's why the Dalit voter is in a state of confusion.
03:48Either we go with the BJP or Chandrasekhar Ravan.
03:51Because Chandrasekhar Ravan has that kind of factor, has that kind of a boil that BSP in the earlier stages
03:58when it used to fight against the Mulaim Singh Yadav thing had.
04:01So that's why Chandrasekhar Ravan has got that particular edge right over there.
04:06And at least he may not won any assembly seat or he may not do wonders in many assembly seats.
04:11But yes, he may impact and work as what we say in Hindi, vote katwa.
04:16So that has been the thing both with OAC number one and with Chandrasekhar Ravan, though the vote banks are
04:22different.
04:23Yes.
04:23Yes.
04:23Samad, last question.
04:25Couple of days ago, we saw something interesting happening in the Samajwadi party.
04:29Akhle Shadav, while launching the youth wing, he had a new attire for the Samajwadi party youth wing.
04:38And it was blue in color.
04:40Many saw that as a sign that he was trying to go after the same BSP, vote bank as well.
04:46The same that Ravan is also after.
04:48Do you think that could be a deciding factor?
04:52The fact that the Samajwadi party is saying, you know, we are going to do this engineering of sorts?
05:03Interestingly, Sonal, it's also the battle of blues in the state of Uttar Pradesh because we have seen that MY
05:07factor has always been intact with the Samajwadi party and they do not have to worry about this MY thing.
05:14The question is, where will the Dalit, OBC and the backward caste vote will be going?
05:21And that's the whole competition, all in between the BJP, BSP and the Samajwadi party, if you call it, along
05:27with the Congress party.
05:28And that is one of the reasons, see, symbolically many things we see the poster walls.
05:34And this is another kind of a symbolic change for the Chhatra Sabha of Samajwadi party.
05:39They have changed the dress. No, they haven't, in a way, removed their original colors of green and red.
05:44They have kept the cap of the red color.
05:47But the entire dress, the domination of blue has come.
05:50If you call it Ambedkari Rang, you can clearly see the Ambedkari color on the dress of Samajwadi party.
05:56This is the moment they feel when Mayawati is getting weak with the label of the BJP's B team, especially
06:03by the political pundits across Uttar Pradesh.
06:05And that's why Khaleesh feels that this is the best time to hit the chord and get most of the
06:10PDA vote bank.
06:11And what is PDA? We haven't seen anything like PDA before the Lok Sabha elections.
06:14But it gained results and converted into the seats of Lok Sabha for the Congress as well.
06:20So that's why Khaleesh Adhav is stressing on the point of the PDA, where he also counts P with Pandit
06:26and he also mentions P as Pichoda.
06:28So that's his logic, because he knows he doesn't have to do much for the MYA, because he knows that
06:33that's the vote bank which has been intact with him.
06:36The battle is for the PDA.
06:38It's for the BJP as well, it's for the Samajwadi party as well, it's for the third front, whatever will
06:42be coming in the coming days.
06:44It's for them as well.
06:45All right. So PDA, that's Pichre Dalits and Alp Sankhyak, which could be perhaps a deciding factor when it comes
06:53to UP elections,
06:54where everything is about arithmetic at the moment, because UP votes a particular way.
06:59But this time around, is there going to be a shift?
07:01We'll be watching the space and cutting across to Samarth almost on a daily basis now at 5.30 to
07:07get a grip on how the groundswell really is all about.
07:10Thanks so much for joining us.
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