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Since she exploded on the style scene 15 years ago, Alexa Chung has evolved into the ultimate bad girl in an It Girl world. Which is exactly why we wanted to talk to her about her successful new role as fashion designer, her enduring unwillingness to be fake (ever!), and her constant navigating through a fancy fashion industry as the ultimate outsider-insider. Then, after you've listened to this episode, check out Refinery29's UnCOVER profile for more.
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00:01Welcome to Unstyled. I'm your host, Christine Barbrick, co-founder and global editor-in-chief
00:06of Refinery29. Each week, I invite a notable person to come in and talk with us as we explore
00:12the funny, inspiring, sometimes heartbreaking tales of life, work, and love, as told through
00:19the things that we wear. Usually when we talk about the defining characteristics of an it-girl,
00:31it's tough to put your finger on exactly the magic ingredient that catapults a newcomer to
00:35international stardom. Sure, it totally helps to be effortlessly beautiful, stylish, be in all the
00:41right places and know all the right people. But it-girl magic is in fact way more mysterious than
00:46that. The late, great Vogue editor, Diana Vreeland, once said, the only real elegance is in the mind.
00:53If you've got that, the rest really comes from it, which is where Alexa Chung comes in.
00:58Quick story. Many years ago, when I was paging through the latest issue of British Vogue,
01:03I came upon a young woman whom I didn't recognize. She wasn't a celebrity or a model or a fashion
01:08designer. But even in her then, unknowable way, she was already iconic. And she still is.
01:14Over the last 15 years, she's made a serious name for herself as the host of an MTV series,
01:21as a best-selling author, and as a contributing editor at British Vogue. And on social media,
01:26perhaps the heartland of it-girl territory, Alexa Chung prefers a less curated approach,
01:32skipping over slick lifestyle scenes and jawline-enhancing selfies in favor of cheeky
01:38outtakes, bingo games, and amorous odes to her close friends. It's this down-to-earth attitude
01:44that continually sets her apart and has made us feel a certain kinship with Alexa Chung. Someone
01:49whose style never feels overly affected or underly appreciated. Which is why the addition of fashion
01:55designer to her arsenal of skills is pretty much long overdue. While Chung has guest design collections
02:01for brands like Mulberry and A.G. Jeans, the eponymous Alexa Chung collection of clothing is
02:06all her, and already much in demand. Shortly after launching last spring, certain tailored pantsuits
02:12and embroidered mini-dresses sold out fast. And on the eve of her second collection launching,
02:17we're seeing Chung expand far beyond it-girl proportions. Someone not just comfortable in front
02:22of the lens, but running her whole damn show. In fact, she's no longer an it-girl. She's an it
02:28-woman.
02:30And even if we can't always put our finger on what it is, we can always count on Alexa Chung
02:35to show us how it's done. Alexa, welcome to Unstyled. But really quick, you have a funny story
02:47about your neighbors here in New York. Well, there's an older lady that lives directly below me.
02:52She's so nice, and I don't know her name. However, recently I came back from a trip to London,
02:57and as I walked in, they went, oh my god, here she is. And then she said, she's a model,
03:02she's on all the posters, but she doesn't look like one. And I was like, what? Let me explain
03:08it-girl to you, woman. Well, actually, that's a perfect segue to talk about the phenomenon of the
03:15it-girl. I remember seeing you in British Vogue, like, I don't know, 15 years ago, maybe? Probably in
03:20a party roundup. And I remember zooming in on you, and I was like, who's she? And you just
03:25automatically looked so different to me, because I think that, especially in those kinds of party
03:31events, you know, sort of everyone always looks kind of the same. And they're always kind of like
03:37super styled. But you, even in the very beginning, even though I didn't know who you were and what you
03:42did, why you were actually at this famous party. But I remember thinking you looked really interesting,
03:48and you looked like you'd styled yourself. And you just like really stood out to me. And I remember
03:51just following your career, and really just being interested in your point of view and your voice.
03:56Thanks. Oh, you're welcome. Well, I can tell you why I looked different at the parties. It was
04:01because I don't think I had a handle on what I was even attending at the beginning. And I was
04:05on TV,
04:06and I just started a music show. And my friend Ami worked as an intern at Luella. And she was
04:11like,
04:12oh, they'd like you to come to this party. And I was like, I know she makes nice dresses. I
04:16can't
04:16believe they would want me to go to that. That seems weird. So yeah, I mean, we looked odd because
04:20we weren't meant to be there. I think everyone's sort of discovery stories are always interesting.
04:25Do you have one? I do. Actually, when I was 14, I took an art class. And then in my
04:30lunchtime,
04:30I took a textiles course, because I really liked fashion. And we went to this thing called the
04:36clothes show, which is kind of a trade show in the UK, and was scouted by my now modeling agent,
04:43Sarah Leon, and actually didn't end up booking me or whatever, taking me on their board. And then I
04:49went to the Reading Music Festival and actually eaten some chocolate brownies, because I was like,
04:54I love chocolate brownies, only later to discover that they were hash brownies. And so I was stoned
04:59in the corner of a comedy tent, like laughing my ass off. And this woman came over to me and
05:04was like,
05:05you're lucky you didn't die.
05:06Yeah, ingested a lot.
05:08Exactly.
05:09Yeah. So that's how I got scouted. I was just like wearing a flower crown back in the day,
05:15in the comedy tent of a music festival, which seems about right.
05:19And you've actually told some interesting stories about your experiences at modeling over the years,
05:24one in particular that stands out that you did. I remember reading about it and thinking like it
05:28was really astonishing, but also incredibly true and sobering about the sort of disparity in terms of
05:34how women and men are treated.
05:35Yeah. Well, I was also a teenager. I mean, I started after being scouted, I started modeling
05:40at 15. And I was quite shy, actually, as a teenager. And I think sort of developed this bravado where
05:46I
05:46would turn up to these places and be doing uncomfortable things and sort of not know how to
05:51deal with it. But that one wasn't that bad. They were actually very sweet on the day. It was an
05:56editorial. It was just an underwear shot. And I looked around and I was just in my pants. And there
06:01was
06:01all these grownups, fully dressed, taking my picture, mainly men. And I suddenly felt like
06:06really weird about it. So I said, if I'm going to be in my underwear, you know, some of you
06:11have
06:11to strip too. And they were like, all right. And they were pretty nice about it. So I had half
06:15the
06:15crew like stripped down. And then at the beginning of the magazine, they wrote, they say never work
06:20with animals or children, but we'll add models to that list today.
06:25Really?
06:26Yeah.
06:26That's incredible.
06:27I mean, it was quite funny of them. You know, I had quite an innocent and nice upbringing. And
06:32then I was on shoots in London, test shoots. You know, the whole process is quite odd. If you think
06:37about it, you're going to a stranger's house with a book of photographs of yourself, asking them if
06:43they think you're beautiful. It's just like, what?
06:46I mean, and to think that you're a teenager, and then to actually go through that is probably really
06:51difficult.
06:51It's weird. But equally, you know, that started me on a path that then I ended up in
06:56this position where I do have lots of wonderful things in my life. So it wasn't it was hardly
06:59the most traumatic job to do. But I that said, I don't think I if I had a daughter, I
07:05would
07:05let her do it.
07:06But you also have a really, you seem to have a really strong constitution. So I feel like
07:11for you to actually speak up on that wallpaper set and say that is like pretty takes it does
07:16take balls.
07:16Yeah, but that was kind of a one off. To be honest, one of the skills I learned in modeling
07:21was to shut up and speak when I was spoken to. And I think I was quite professional about
07:26modeling, even at a young age, I would attend the castings on time, and I would complete the sheet. And
07:32I sort of was quite dorky about my approach to it, you know, whereas nowadays, I think the good thing
07:39about social media is that it does celebrate more diversity and is a bit more inclusive. And suddenly,
07:44these girls are not only judged on their, you know, physical beauty, but also their personality.
07:51And I think the community would be a bit more interesting now to walk around in, whereas when
07:55I was modeling, I didn't have any mates, and I was felt quite isolated.
07:59You also told me a story once, we were talking about how challenging it can be going to these sort
08:05of big fashion events that feel super exclusive. And then you got there, and they were kind of
08:11shitty to you, but because you're a professional, you know, sort of just like, you know, made the
08:14rounds. But I remember feeling so surprised that you felt like an outsider. What do you think about
08:20that?
08:21So I was a TV presenter, right? I got this job doing fashion rocks coverage. And so I was flown
08:27to Paris and asked to interview Valentino, Karl Lagerfeld. And I was really nervous, because I
08:32didn't know what to ask fashion people. I knew how to interview musicians, but I didn't really know
08:35anything about the fashion industry at that point. So I kind of always felt like even though I was
08:40modeling as a teenager, I was doing like teen magazines and cheesy things. It was never really
08:44high fashion. Then when through television, I got this break into fashion through the back door.
08:48I think that sort of established how I felt about my relationship to the industry. I never felt like
08:54I was someone that was really in the club, sort of had snuck in somehow, by mistake or something.
09:00You know, I was like, Oh, my God, this is a terrible error. No, they don't know what they're
09:04doing. And then also recently, Lucinda Chambers, incredible essay that she wrote, she really was
09:11calling out the fashion industry for notoriously being a whole operation that really makes people
09:17feel like shit about themselves. And I think that your new line, the Alexa Chung collection,
09:23is kind of an interesting example of this new direction of people creating collections,
09:28creating pieces, you know, that are really personally connected to an identity to a person's
09:34history. Yeah, but I mean, I guess we are at a moment where things need to be shaken up. And
09:39I don't understand why people observe rules so much, like obviously, for social order, etc. But when it
09:46comes to the structure of the fashion industry, just because things have been done that way for a
09:50certain amount of time, doesn't mean it has to be done that way. To certain areas of the world,
09:55you still have to play that game. But equally, it seems to me like there's now this more direct
10:00conduit for conversation between you and an audience. You don't have to observe the same
10:05sort of structure.
10:06And I would say like, you know, I'm frequently interviewed and asked what trends I'm feeling
10:11now. Or even yesterday, someone said, Oh, you know, name us six must have items. And I said,
10:16I disagree with this idea that anyone must have anything. So I think that kind of notion that they
10:22push in, particularly women's magazines, also men's, I guess, is a bit annoying.
10:29I think what she said, there was a lot of truth to it. And I'm sure she's going to go
10:32on to do lots of
10:33incredible things. But I also thought it was interesting that you happen to be on the cover,
10:37you know, of that particular issue, because I think that you are probably one of the most
10:41unconventional people they've probably ever had on the cover of that magazine.
10:44You were sort of always this outsider insider.
10:47Yeah. But on that particular shoot, I get what she was saying. There was a, you know, a number of
10:55shots that we did that all could have been a great cover. And then they went for this one,
10:59which happened to be a sponsor. And I guess she was using it to highlight an issue that
11:06happens a lot, which is where you have to make a decision between where the money is coming from
11:10and where the creative juice is. And in that respect, she was probably disappointed that they
11:14went for that one. That said, I still think it's a nice cover. So it's a great cover. And I
11:19think that
11:20that tension between art and commerce is really important, because I think that as creative people,
11:25we need that in order to thrive and function and reach people.
11:28I mean, a lot of my best outfits have come out of a solution of having to wear at least
11:32one of
11:33those items, and how to make that one bad thing look all right.
11:37Yeah, of course. No, I mean, I think that I think everybody does party, you have to wear this. And
11:42I'm
11:42like, Oh, shit, that looks disgusting. All right, I'll put some hot pants on and try and
11:46dress it down. So a lot of I mean, I don't think...
11:50Hot pants solves everything, doesn't it?
11:52It used to. It now sort of just creates a new kind of ass problem for me.
12:05Going back to your social following, and the fact that it's very reflective of your vibe and your
12:12voice, knowing that you want to reach a consumer, I'm assuming a lot of those are the people that,
12:16you know, follow you on Instagram.
12:18Yeah, they are. But you know, I'm really shit at replying. I don't, I know you're meant to have
12:22conversations on that thing. But I rarely...
12:25You should work on that.
12:25I know. I'm always told you, you have to reply and you have to say this and that.
12:28First, it's your building. You know, you're not friends with people in your building.
12:31You don't know that woman downstairs, her name. Well, I don't know. We can work on that.
12:36No, but you know what it is? It's that I can't do anything that feels inauthentic. It makes me feel
12:40physically sick. And when you see people tweeting or companies like putting a sentence under their
12:47Instagram image, and it's like, how are you guys feeling today? Or which one do you prefer?
12:52To me, that seems inauthentic and a quite cheap way to instigate or agitate.
12:58Engagement.
12:58Yeah, exactly. Engagement. And that's when I feel gross and like a slick brand. And I would rather not
13:05do that. So instead, I'll spend, you know, hours creating a weird Instagram story about a fake band
13:11called Chuff Nuts, as we did the other day. I mean, like, I still don't really think of my Instagram
13:16as
13:17a portal to sales. I've never done the like, will you hold this Fanta Limon and say how much you're
13:25enjoying your summer at Whispering Angel? Like, it's...
13:29Yes, I understand. It feels extremely contrived.
13:32Well, and also just like, blech, that's the planet now, is it? Like, I watched Reality Bites
13:37recently when there still used to be a distinction between yuppies and capitalism.
13:41The scenes in The Gap are so good.
13:43Right.
13:43Janine Garofalo folding sweaters in The Gap is really...
13:46Yes, really what a woman.
13:48But you know, that movie, that's kind of like the last bastion of people remembering that it was
13:52us versus them. And now it's all become this kind of melee of, it's all become okay.
13:58Even if it's a brand you really believe in and you love and you have full creative control over
14:02how it's being depicted?
14:03Yeah, I just, again, I just feel like it's inauthentic to my vibe.
14:07You're so pure.
14:08Such a pure woman. No, I just feel like it's like a bit like icky. I see them on other
14:14people's
14:14ones and I'm like, ooh.
14:16I do understand what you mean about that. You know, social media in all its varied forms
14:21has become a means of just constant exploitation.
14:25Now where we live in a world where it's expected that anyone with over a certain amount of followers
14:30on Instagram are probably flogging us some kind of product.
14:33You know, I think it's good to have boundaries about like, you know, what feels good for you
14:36and what doesn't. I'm sure there's a lot of pressure.
14:39But there's also no shade anymore. Like people don't think it's a bad, whereas it used to be
14:43awful for overexposure or being connected to too many different brand things. Now it's celebrated,
14:48right? Well, I think that, I mean, I think that's interesting, but it's also kind of the
14:53evolution of woman as a brand and making good choices is obviously important for enduring
14:59in the long run. But let's go back to the collection. So tell me just like how I'm here
15:04and I'm slagging off people selling stuff on their social media channels and then refusing
15:09to talk about my fashion. No, it's going to tearing her hair out.
15:13No, but I think that there's a lot of truth to that. I mean, you have access to any clothes,
15:17you know, any designer pieces, any vintage, anything that you want. Why did you want to
15:22put a collection out in the world?
15:23I don't know other than it was a feeling. It's very odd because there's not really a
15:27tangible or concrete argument for it. I just literally was like, then that's what I do next.
15:32It was like an instinctive sort of, well, of course that happens then. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
15:37when I was a teenager and I was going to those castings, I would sew my own skirts and like
15:43make my own weird wrap dresses out of my mom's scarves until the agency told me they were
15:47completely heinous and to stop wearing that shit. It's a very odd existence, this.
15:52Well, it is. But I also think that wanting to start a line based on a feeling is actually a
15:57very good reason. In a lot of ways, we should trust our instincts more. And I think sometimes
16:01because there's a lot of pressure to make marketable moves, your instinct kind of gets
16:06pushed aside sometimes. But I think that Oprah always says that when you make a decision based
16:11on your intuition and your instinct, it will never steer you wrong.
16:15Wow. I love Oprah for that. I think as well, it still feels like fun. I guess we're right at
16:21the
16:21beginning of it, though. But I just wanted to have more autonomy over my own personal time,
16:27have somewhere to go every day. And yeah, like settling down by starting something up seems like
16:33the way to go.
16:35And do you see it kind of expanding in the way that maybe like some other people have kind of
16:39expanded their product lines into these sort of whole lifestyles?
16:43I don't know. I literally can't think of anyone to compare it to, which is good and bad, I guess.
16:50But like, I just don't really want to have any formula in mind. I want to kind of surf it
16:55and see
16:55which way it takes us. Like if we suddenly close the clothing part and start a ceramics company that
17:01makes ceramic headphones for babies, that might happen.
17:04I was going to ask you that next. I had that in a question. Like, what about ceramic
17:08headphones for babies?
17:10Yeah.
17:11Is that in your future?
17:12Maybe we'll revive pop swatches, I don't know, or make tiny buckets to be turned upside down for
17:17heels. This is what I hate about the box where it's like...
17:21You're like an entrepreneurial anarchist.
17:23Yeah, I just I find restriction annoying. And like, I constantly kick against what I'm expected to do.
17:29So, I mean, this is what I prepared, you know, the company for. I was like, well, there are the
17:34chances are...
17:35Get ready.
17:35...that I'll probably get annoyed and start wanting to open a like, you know, slip and slide wing.
17:40Do you know what? The world needs more slip and slides. I don't know.
17:51So when you have like 3 million people following, you know, your every sort of move on Instagram,
17:57do you even need conventional platforms like Vogue or television shows? Do you feel like you
18:03still want to be recognized in those worlds?
18:06Well, it's difficult to say because, you know, I started through a more established traditional
18:12path because I was writing for British Vogue and I was on Channel 4 and I had a show on
18:17MTV. So I
18:18already did the more established versions of what you're meant to do. And then social media was like
18:24kind of coursing its way up through the ranks at that exact same time. So I feel like, you
18:30know, I have already experienced the more legitimate form of things. So perhaps it doesn't
18:35matter as much. And that's what makes this an interesting time.
18:37So the collection's out. You're working on the second season?
18:40No, we... So the way it works... So we started a year ago on this.
18:44Okay.
18:44And so collection one is now launched. Collection two...
18:47And sold really, really well.
18:48It did. So internally, because it's Seenow by Now, we are now working on season six.
18:54Wow. I was seeing the second collection, but you're already on season six.
18:58Yes.
18:59Wow.
18:59Internally, yeah.
19:00And how big are the collections?
19:02There's like 150 SKUs.
19:05And are you working with a design team?
19:07Yes, there's a design team.
19:09But you're highly involved in like, you know, the execution of each piece.
19:12I kind of swing between giving a shit about whether people understand I'm involved and
19:18then not because I give up. I'd get really mad because I'd be working my tits off and
19:23staying there till really late at night, getting up really early, like crying over this shit.
19:27And then people would be like, but how much of it is you? And I'd be like, do you know
19:31what? Don't worry about it. Maybe none of it then. Like a petulant child, just like none
19:36of you are ever going to believe me. So don't worry about it. But you know, we started with
19:39two of us. So it has been sort of something that I've had to be heavily involved in.
19:45Well, I wanted to talk about, you're in your mid thirties.
19:48Excuse me, early, 33.
19:50Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're right. That's your early thirties.
19:54How do you feel different now, just sort of dating, being in relationship?
19:57I've managed to maintain both a career and a relationship. That said, the relationships
20:02haven't lasted that long, or as long as my career has.
20:05Why do you think that is?
20:06Well, that's what I'm beginning to think about. I'm like, wait, have I focused more on,
20:09on that sort of side of things, and maybe not been as present for my relationships?
20:15Yeah, I could have a kid, but I'm not so desperate to have a child that I would make any
20:21arrangement
20:21happen in order to bring one forth into the world. Also, the world feels really crazy right
20:26now. I don't know if it's a cool time to like, bring a child in.
20:31I definitely think it requires a lot of thought and meditation, but I think that there's so much
20:38that happens in your thirties. I feel like you kind of almost become fully formed as an adult.
20:45It really, I do feel like, yeah, no, I think so. And I think I mentioned I didn't meet my
20:50husband
20:51until I was in my late thirties. And I felt like I had such a different perspective about like what
20:55I
20:55needed in a partner and also like what kind of partner I could be.
20:58Right.
20:59Because I think I had a lot of misconceptions. I think there's a lot of pressure in your
21:02twenties and thirties to kind of stay on schedule with everything.
21:05Yeah.
21:06And, but what I didn't know was that when you have different kinds of professional aspirations,
21:12it really derails you from that. That's a sort of societal checklist.
21:17Yeah. Also like love's really hard to come by guys. It can't be about willpower or like
21:22how things are on paper. You either meet someone and you feel it or you don't. You can't like
21:28rush it along by being like, I'm now ready for this moment in my life. Like I might be 70
21:32when
21:33I fall in love again. And that's cool. These are things I'm told. They're like, oh, well,
21:36you're too picky or you're, you're very independent, Alexa. And I'm like, are dudes being told this?
21:42I think that's ridiculous.
21:43I think that's kind of a veiled insult. Yeah. And I don't mean to turn this into a,
21:49a gendered conversation, but I remember once, I think it was my mother, my aunt told me that
21:55women wait for the right person where men wait for the right time, which is interesting because
22:00I feel like I think like a man in that way. Cause I was always about like the timing had
22:04to be right.
22:05Cause I didn't want anything to sort of distract me from establishing myself as a great editor.
22:09Do you know what I mean?
22:10Yeah, I do know what you mean.
22:11So I want to make sure we have enough time.
22:12I want to talk about grandpa Kwan. I want to talk about grandpa Kwan.
22:17Grandpa Kwan, RIP. Grandpa Kwan was my Chinese grandpa and he was a bit of a ledge.
22:23Really? How? Why?
22:25Just remember him being incredibly chic and you know, his English was, uh, fine, but not fantastic,
22:32but he was always very sweet and he made spectacular food and his house was like my dream 60s sort
22:40of
22:40time capsule.
22:42Where was it?
22:43It was in East Ham in East London, which is where my dad grew up.
22:46And he had like a pink sort of shag pile carpet bathroom scenario.
22:51And then downstairs this rocking chair, which was upholstered in this gorgeous blue sort
22:57of chinoiserie fabric.
23:00And weirdly, like two years ago, I went to Liberty in London and was trying to find the
23:04fabric of that rocking chair.
23:06Couldn't find it.
23:07Settled on another one.
23:08And I was like, dad, what do you think about this fabric?
23:09And he was like, weirdly, that's the fabric that's underneath the fabric that was on Grandpa
23:15Kwan's rocking chair.
23:16I must have psychically felt the real fabric.
23:18That's insane.
23:19So what are you using the fabric for?
23:21Curtains.
23:22Oh, in your London place?
23:23Yeah.
23:24That sounds beautiful.
23:25So in terms of just like the motivation behind the collection, it's obviously incredibly
23:30personal.
23:31I feel like I could see you wearing all of it.
23:33But as a business, like, is there anything specific you want to accomplish?
23:36I want no one to be screwed over.
23:39I think that's sort of imperative.
23:41I would like to try and incorporate some element of sustainability.
23:45You know, I did a few years ago, I wrote an article about ethical fashion for British
23:51Vogue.
23:51And there was even then confusion around what's ethical, what's sustainable, and what do these
23:56different things mean?
23:58And we were interviewing wonderful people for that, like Stella McCartney and, oh my God,
24:03I can't even remember all the different brands.
24:05And point being, I think something that people can be timid about or put off by is that once
24:10you take a stance on that, you're then held to task over how much you're committed to it.
24:15And I think it's fine to just make your best efforts in the right direction.
24:19So for me, it's the start is, let's not screw anyone over.
24:22Let's try and make sure this is a clean supply chain.
24:25I'm sure different things will crop up in the years to come where something fucks up and
24:29things don't go the right way.
24:31But I think it's okay to just try and do your bit for something.
24:35I do too.
24:36And I think that you had also mentioned to me that you were having like a really hard
24:41time like getting some of the knitwear right and you wanted the quality to be really good.
24:45And I think that your interest in creating items that you'll have for a while is the
24:50direction that I think that some people need to more consciously sort of consider.
24:55But that's just the way I've always shopped.
24:57So it just seemed like the type of clothes I wanted to make.
25:01Is that why you like vintage?
25:02I like vintage because it's like a portal to history.
25:07And I like vintage because it's just, you know, obviously quite frequently it will be
25:13a one of a kind item.
25:14And I'm a one of a kind kind of gal.
25:18No, I just I've always hated wearing anything that anyone else has on.
25:21So I like vintage because it's a little treasure hunt and you have to get there first and collect
25:25the mushroom.
25:27I love talking to you, Alexa.
25:28I love talking to you.
25:29I'm very, I feel like I wasn't very funny.
25:30I apologize.
25:31You were hilarious.
25:32I would always rather be funny than anything else.
25:35No, you're very funny.
25:36And and I think you're super inspiring.
25:38And I love your new collection.
25:39And I know our audience will too.
25:41And thank you for being a guest on Unstyled.
25:43Thank you so much for having me as a guest.
25:46I hope you're inspired after hearing Alexa's story.
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26:17Our show today was executive produced by Sarah Bernard, associate produced by Rebecca
26:21Easley and edited by Priscilla Mena.
26:24Copy support was provided by Elizabeth Kiefer.
26:27Our theme music today is by the artist Koff and we recorded Unstyled with Paul Ruist at
26:32Argo Studios.
26:33We'll see you back here next Monday with former supermodel and forever activist Bethann
26:38Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:42Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:44Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:45Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:45Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:46Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.
26:47Hardison on the power to drive racial diversity on the runways.