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En entrevista con El Espectador, el registrador nacional habla de sus enfrentamientos con el expresidente Gustavo Petro, las acusaciones de fraude electoral y la batalla judicial que desataron. También advierte sobre los riesgos que enfrenta la democracia cuando se pone en duda la legitimidad de las elecciones.
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00:07Registrar, thank you very much for this interview with El Espectador.
00:11In this country of assassinations, murders, attacks, and criminal groups everywhere,
00:18How do you feel about this alleged plot to assassinate you? How are you? How is your family?
00:24Okay, okay, okay. I don't really have any further details.
00:27It's a call I received from the minister, and I understand that the Prosecutor's Office is investigating everything I know.
00:33But aren't you worried? How are you? What measures are you and your family taking?
00:38We are in Colombia.
00:40Well, yes, can't one, let's say, try to imagine that something like that in a country like this,
00:48So we shouldn't pay too much attention to it?
00:51Well, actually, yes. I'm more concerned about my family's issues, to be honest.
00:57Otherwise, nothing, you have to do your job here and there's a lot to do and you can't
01:01one to take care of that
01:02Because the one thing one cannot do in public service is to be disturbed by those issues.
01:06But, Registrar, excuse me, in your entire public career had you ever encountered a scenario like the one you described to me.
01:14the minister this week,
01:15The Minister of Justice, Iván Cancini?
01:16No, no, no. Not at this level. Always, throughout this entire election cycle, on social media, emails,
01:25There were, as there always have been, very hostile circumstances of that nature.
01:30But, let's say, in more detail, it had never happened before.
01:34And how does that make you feel, beyond you trying to take it easy?
01:40I repeat, we are in a country like Colombia full of assassinations, full of crimes and above all full of impunity.
01:46But, man, honestly, I try not to think about it. I, let's say, don't try to dwell on those issues.
01:52Because I think that, let's say, in the end I don't achieve anything. What I have to do is move on and think about other things.
01:58things.
01:59I don't deal with that, to be honest.
02:01How is your family? How are these topics discussed at home? How do you explain them to your wife, your
02:06mother?
02:08It's a little difficult, but yes, it's complex. For example, my mother is 80 years old, and that affects things.
02:16a bit.
02:17In the end, one ends up worrying more about their family members, to be honest, because they get uncomfortable, they feel bad.
02:24I don't talk much about those topics, honestly.
02:28I'm not able to handle it, I just want to move forward.
02:32No, no, no, I'd rather not know.
02:34Well, given the level of exposure you have, given the responsibilities you have,
02:40I suppose that kind of threatening message is something you may have already come to accept as normal.
02:47because he understands that in the democratic process there are many people with vested interests,
02:52But there are also idle people on the keyboard saying things all the time.
02:57However, we are on the verge of this election day officially starting.
03:05or this 2027 electoral calendar to define the regional elections.
03:11How do you think those kinds of threats and intimidation will play out?
03:17Do you believe that it will continue to grow exponentially?
03:21What are your feelings about the state of the country, the polarization, and all of that?
03:26In what way could that have an impact?
03:28Well, what I believe is that misinformation, fake news,
03:34These narratives are doing a lot of damage to the country.
03:38And what is happening is that they are generating a lot of hatred and resentment in society.
03:43And some people channel that hatred and resentment by giving their opinions, shouting, writing
03:51and suddenly others taking physical action against people.
03:55And that resentment that exists in the country, I insist, is being exploited by narratives,
04:03For example, altering results that make no sense,
04:06These circumstances obviously create situations that can jeopardize the safety of public servants.
04:14at every level, at every level.
04:16I reminded them once that due to misinformation, in Gamarra Cesar,
04:22Three women burned them alive.
04:24And that's what's, let's say, a little unsettling.
04:28that hatred is escalating and in Colombia the negative news,
04:33The fact is that misinformation from fake authorities does generate tragedy.
04:36This isn't France, where people shout at each other, but it doesn't go beyond that.
04:40Including Spain, and even Argentina.
04:42No, not here.
04:43Here, people may genuinely believe that there was tampering with the results.
04:48when there is no reason to think so.
04:51And that obviously generates in people the desire to commit material acts.
04:55And looking ahead to the next elections, what needs to be done is
05:00to manage those circumstances very well and ask society to be informed.
05:04Because if society is not well informed about how the electoral system works in Colombia,
05:10those levels of resentment that can be seen today towards the entity's directors
05:15or to this server, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow it's in front of the registrars,
05:18departmental delegates or officials of a municipality
05:21that they are only doing their duty.
05:23That is what some people in Colombia are managing.
05:30Or are they succeeding with that aim of dividing society?
05:35But who is behind that?
05:37From that bonfire of hatred, the only ones who will profit are the political leaders.
05:43who constantly seek to undermine the credibility of the registrar's office or the electoral authority.
05:51But of course, that's undeniable, how are we going to hide it?
05:56Lately it has become a tool, a political instrument
06:01or the electoral authority or the electoral system.
06:05And they use it as a political tool or instrument, surely because some believe
06:10that's how they win votes or win elections.
06:12It's the truth.
06:13That is happening.
06:14Well, not in Colombia, but in many places in America and the world.
06:18The serious problem with that is that it undermines democracy and the rule of law.
06:21But the electoral system is being used, degrading it, or authority is being used as a political instrument.
06:27That's clearly the case.
06:28And evidently it's because that probably encourages more activism,
06:33They achieve greater cohesion.
06:34I don't know, I really don't know.
06:36And the serious problem with that is that it's self-destructive.
06:39Because when you attack your electoral system with such hostility,
06:44It is hurting itself as a nation.
06:45Ultimately, it's the system or the way in which political differences are resolved peacefully.
06:52And resorting to that strategy is, as the saying goes,
06:58Pampas today and hunger tomorrow.
06:59Because the nation is beating itself up.
07:02Because the rule of law ends.
07:04Because democracy is being degraded.
07:06And I believe that is a serious mistake.
07:08But hey, politics today seems to have no rules.
07:12Listening to these statements from you makes it impossible not to think about guardianship.
07:15which he filed against former President Gustavo Petro.
07:20Somewhat related to the arguments you're mentioning.
07:22How the electoral apparatus is used as a political tool.
07:26The question surrounding this is, on what basis do you protect the president?
07:35Well, what we seek in that guardianship,
07:40as the Constitutional Court has already stated on several occasions,
07:44It is to defend the good name, first, of the registry as a public entity.
07:52Public entities also have the right to a good name.
07:55And that is what we have done in that guardianship.
07:58Because you can't just be walking around any corner of the country or the world
08:04degrading an entity that does a good job.
08:06And there has been no discussion of the results.
08:11And I'm not the one saying it.
08:12Ask all the international observers who were in Colombia.
08:15Especially to one, the European Union.
08:18She was invited by the previous government to make an observation.
08:22I'll give it the most important one of all.
08:24And they provided proof of how the elections were conducted.
08:28Well, that's what we have to do.
08:29To uphold the good name of an entity that has done its job,
08:32but he has to prepare for next year's elections.
08:35They can't keep walking around every corner of Colombia
08:39degrading an entity that will hold elections next year
08:41so that citizens lose confidence.
08:43But they are doing it.
08:44And while we're at it, of course, I also need to protect my name a little.
08:47Because I have a son who can't be watching...
08:52Well no.
08:53What can't you be seeing?
08:55Well, by listening to things of that nature.
08:58Saying that his father stole the election.
09:00Well, as if to silence you, they would grant.
09:04Why did she decide to file a guardianship instead of filing a criminal complaint, for example?
09:10Because I'm not interested in criminalizing that action.
09:14Much less that he has a former president, legal problems.
09:18I'm not interested.
09:18All I want is that, if that's how the judges see it,
09:27The name of the registry office must be respected.
09:30And it is demanded that without arguments and without evidence
09:34The entity like ours cannot be under siege.
09:37It just can't be.
09:38Because in the end, the registrar's office is like the arbiter of democracy.
09:44It only has one asset that needs to be protected.
09:46It's about trust.
09:47If you lose confidence in the person in charge of a football match,
09:51Regarding the referee, how will that match be played?
09:54So that needs to be taken care of.
09:56Because it's all he has.
09:56Trust takes years to build.
10:00And a second to get lost.
10:02We are facing a monumental electoral process next year.
10:06I can give you an example.
10:08In the last elections,
10:11There were approximately 3,000 candidates for the Congress of the Republic.
10:13Next year we will have 125,000 candidates.
10:17125,000.
10:19More than 20,000 positions to choose from.
10:21This entity has to arrive with capabilities that it has.
10:24But also with a minimum of respect.
10:27I accept, and as registrar here at the registrar's office
10:30We accept all criticism.
10:31It is our duty.
10:32Including private sieges.
10:34I've put up with it for two years.
10:35I have no problem.
10:36It is my duty to explain.
10:37But that cannot last forever.
10:41In other words, an entity that has to be at the forefront of such an important process
10:45like next year's election where 42 million people will go out to vote.
10:48Well, we have to demand more from people in leadership positions,
10:55that have national importance.
10:58They should be responsible with what they say.
11:00Criticism is welcome.
11:01Of course, and we explained them all.
11:03But when you assert without any proof,
11:07when you make a claim without any documentation,
11:10that a person commits a wrong,
11:12Well, the least we can do is demand that he prove it.
11:15That is what we are requesting.
11:16In the legal action you filed before the Council of State
11:19He collected several statements from the former president.
11:23For example, on June 22nd,
11:24He stated on his Twitter account
11:26that the recorded incident caused a large wound
11:29deep in the heart of Colombia.
11:31On July 26th he wrote again
11:33The registrar lent himself not only to fraud,
11:36but to undermine national sovereignty.
11:39How does a country understand, how does society understand
11:42that a sitting president
11:44Does this refer to a national registrar?
11:48Do you have any background information?
11:50What if this happened in another part of the world?
11:51Well, at least in America
11:54We had no prior experience with that.
11:55I have been an international observer
11:57in almost all countries of America
11:58and a large part of Europe.
12:00And circumstances like these
12:01They are unprecedented in the region.
12:04But also, the Inter-American Commission
12:06and the Inter-American Court of Human Rights
12:08He has demanded of the rulers,
12:10several already in America,
12:12who have what is known as a power-duty.
12:14In other words, they don't have the same
12:19powers of an ordinary citizen
12:20when he says anything on social media.
12:23Because they have millions of followers
12:25and how they can even influence
12:27to strike the State itself,
12:29they must have the obligation
12:31to review, endorse
12:35and to substantiate any argument they make.
12:37But it doesn't either.
12:38The Administrative Court
12:40he ordered him at some point
12:41to the former president
12:42that he could not make certain claims
12:46in the face of the electoral process.
12:48He didn't fulfill it either.
12:49I ask,
12:50Since when in Colombia
12:52Some people have a license.
12:54to say whatever they want,
12:55to besiege another,
12:57to slander another
12:58And others don't have it?
13:00Since when have we
13:01Yes, we have to be good citizens.
13:02and we can't say a curse word
13:04because they send us to jail
13:05if we insult someone
13:06and others do have a license
13:07to say whatever they want
13:09with respect to anyone?
13:10But especially
13:11with respect to their own State.
13:14I have said,
13:15I don't understand
13:16how a person
13:17that represents the State
13:21attacks the State
13:22so that the citizens
13:24doubt the State.
13:24I mean,
13:25It's unthinkable.
13:27As a gunman once said,
13:29Baruc Espinosa,
13:30I do my best to understand,
13:32But I understand
13:33how those circumstances occur.
13:35Clear,
13:36that present the shares,
13:38that they file the lawsuits,
13:39Let the judges decide.
13:40And if there is a fault,
13:41Well, we'll have to pay for it.
13:43There has been no
13:44an incident.
13:46One.
13:47And excuse me for what I'm about to say
13:48because I don't like it
13:51to boast,
13:51But I don't think there has been one.
13:52an electoral process
13:52more efficient,
13:55more flawless
13:56than the one who just passed
13:57in the midst of so many difficulties.
13:58However,
14:00the former president's response
14:01Gustavo Petro
14:01was
14:02to eradicate
14:03a criminal complaint
14:04against you.
14:05He tells her
14:05nearly 10 crimes
14:07and basically insists
14:09if there was fraud,
14:10that they will prove it
14:13and meanwhile again
14:15It's just you and the registrar's office
14:17under suspicion.
14:18How can it be resolved
14:20that discussion
14:20somehow
14:22since you
14:24states what he states
14:25and the former president
14:26Why does he keep insisting on what he keeps insisting on?
14:28So, how are they settled?
14:29in a democratic state,
14:30let the courts
14:31those who decide.
14:33Have you seen me?
14:33ever
14:35questioning,
14:35besieging
14:36to the previous government
14:37or the former president?
14:38Never.
14:39Because I respect
14:40the rule of law.
14:41I go
14:42to the courts
14:43and they are the courts
14:44those who solve.
14:46The Rule of Law
14:46That's it.
14:47When two individuals
14:48or two people
14:49or a public entity
14:50and a private one,
14:51one way or the other,
14:51There is a difference,
14:52That's what judges are for.
14:53But the thing is, already
14:54It would seem that some
14:55Not even the judges are of any use to him.
14:56Do you know why?
14:58Because they despise the truth.
14:59Because of their interest
15:00It is not about knowing the truth,
15:01but maintain narratives.
15:03Because it has deep
15:05contempt
15:06for the truth
15:07and simply
15:09wants to maintain
15:10narratives
15:11as a political instrument.
15:12That's not fair.
15:13But when you say
15:13that it has,
15:15Who are you referring to?
15:16To former president Gustavo Petro?
15:18To all those.
15:19Former President Gustavo Petro,
15:20According to him,
15:21is a person
15:22no...
15:23That he despises the truth.
15:25All those
15:26that questions
15:27without arguments
15:28and that despite
15:30from the evidence
15:31He doesn't even accept it
15:32but their own
15:34arguments
15:35And their own truths?
15:36Because they are self-indulgent.
15:38They don't believe
15:39or feel
15:40who are the only ones
15:41who have the truth
15:42in his hands.
15:42It isn't true.
15:43I insist,
15:44the serious problem
15:44This is what
15:46They encourage and set a bad example.
15:48to be unknown
15:49the entities
15:50and even not knowing
15:52to the courts
15:53of the judicial branch.
15:54You have spoken
15:55right now
15:55one word
15:55who calls me
15:57a lot of attention,
15:58besiege.
15:59Do you feel
16:00that the previous government
16:02he besieged you
16:03to the registrar's office?
16:04But without a doubt,
16:06definitely,
16:07because despite
16:08of the multiple
16:11explanations,
16:13I don't think there was one.
16:14incident,
16:15argument
16:16or any doubt
16:16that I even
16:17personally
16:18has not come out
16:19to explain it.
16:20All.
16:22We always go out
16:23to explain it
16:23and not so that
16:24They would accept the argument,
16:26but for
16:27to start a debate,
16:28But that's all it is.
16:30Until when?
16:31A document was released
16:32saying that a citizen
16:35had voted
16:36and that he was dead,
16:37the same citizen
16:38We had to look for it
16:38over there in Europe
16:40and said
16:40Here I am, alive and well
16:41and still going.
16:42Even things
16:43of that nature
16:44that in Colombia
16:45They had never been experienced before.
16:47Which is very difficult
16:48manage an election
16:50part
16:51of the State
16:52but receiving
16:53the attacks
16:54from the same State.
16:55It's not easy.
16:56Fortunately,
16:57Thank God,
16:57This process came out
16:58very good
16:58and it was very timely
17:01and observation
17:02international was present.
17:03But it's very complex
17:04when also
17:06of political organizations
17:07or of those who are
17:08in the campaigns
17:09that they have
17:10discussion or doubt
17:11of the process,
17:12It does too
17:13the same State.
17:14But then one
17:14I could say that
17:15the past elections
17:17They turned out great
17:18despite the
17:18president who was
17:19then
17:20in practice?
17:21Despite the
17:21multiple things
17:22that occurred to them,
17:23despite the difficulty
17:25that was,
17:25despite the violence,
17:26Despite the narratives,
17:27Despite the misinformation,
17:29despite the amount
17:31of falsehoods
17:32that were presented.
17:33You saw it.
17:34For example,
17:37after the first round
17:39and the second,
17:40the next day,
17:41despite scrutiny
17:43well managed,
17:44publishing electoral records
17:46and 14
17:46of electoral processes
17:49old,
17:49making them see
17:50such as electoral records
17:52of the day
17:53from the past elections,
17:54I mean,
17:55with some traps
17:58already taken to excess,
17:59But even worse,
18:01retweeted
18:02by people
18:03who are public servants.
18:05That is to say,
18:05a series of circumstances
18:06that, let's say,
18:07They are irrational,
18:10absolutely irrational,
18:12say,
18:13with respect to whom
18:14truly
18:15consider themselves democrats.
18:17So,
18:18I must say
18:19which are circumstances
18:20very difficult
18:21that have been overcome,
18:23but that it is not possible,
18:24well,
18:24so,
18:25keep
18:26accepting
18:27that it continues
18:28in those narratives
18:31absolutely
18:32blindfolded.
18:33Let me give you an example.
18:35of, I don't know,
18:36of these last few weeks
18:38that through
18:40of a
18:41of a
18:42formula
18:43statistics
18:44of streaks
18:45we have
18:47found
18:47which is not reasonable
18:49that
18:50at the tables
18:51voting
18:51from Colombia
18:52at the first tables
18:53They vote for a person
18:54and at the second tables
18:55They vote for another.
18:56When you hear that
18:57It is said,
18:57Yeah,
18:58It could be,
18:58Because that's half of it.
18:59it is supposed to
19:00people vote
19:01at all the tables,
19:02Well, it turns out that
19:02in Colombia
19:03at the first tables
19:04Older people vote
19:05and in the last
19:06the youngest ones.
19:07That's reasonable.
19:08that ideologically
19:09have a position,
19:10But not only that,
19:12that same method
19:14we applied it to him
19:15to the choice
19:15of 2022
19:17and to the choice
19:18from 2018
19:19and behavior
19:20of the streaks
19:21It was the same.
19:23So,
19:23I could answer,
19:24Well,
19:25so,
19:25What happened in '22?
19:26Where he won fairly
19:27Gustavo Petro.
19:29That.
19:29Even that doesn't work
19:31as an element
19:31and that same formula
19:33We apply it here.
19:33because here I have
19:34an analytics room
19:35wonderful.
19:36We did the process for him
19:37of streaks
19:37to the elections
19:38of this year
19:39and those of the 18th,
19:40at the 22nd,
19:41to those of the 14th.
19:42The same behavior.
19:44But when he explains that,
19:46It's no longer useful.
19:46It's already the HAS code.
19:48But when he explains
19:49one the HAS code
19:50It's because in Israel,
19:51I, Israel,
19:52For God's sake,
19:53in Israel,
19:55I don't know,
19:55the registrar,
19:56a call
19:57with Netanyahu
19:58who then spoke
19:59in the United States,
20:01that is to say,
20:01a series of arguments
20:04so deceitful
20:05who say nothing else,
20:08honestly,
20:09that simply
20:10what is desired
20:10It's chaos.
20:11Well,
20:13at least
20:14we have to ask him
20:14to the authorities
20:15that they act.
20:17For much less
20:18have occurred in Brazil
20:19and in other countries
20:20circumstances
20:20against presidents.
20:22I don't want anything.
20:23I just want, man,
20:24that there be accountability.
20:25I'm not interested
20:27to prosecute anyone.
20:28But there are courts,
20:29man,
20:31give an instruction
20:33so that the country continues
20:35because the year
20:35You don't have to make choices.
20:37That's all it is.
20:38You filed the guardianship
20:40about
20:40two,
20:41three weeks
20:43and these statements,
20:44precisely from the streaks
20:46that you just mentioned,
20:47happened this week.
20:50How do we do it?
20:51so that this help,
20:52this life preserver
20:53that you are asking
20:53soon,
20:54Will I arrive soon?
20:55Well,
20:56I'll leave that to him.
20:58to the Council of State.
20:59I don't know when
21:00may be the moment to fail.
21:01I understand that they are
21:02in their evidentiary tasks,
21:04But I believe that the country
21:05We all help him
21:06if a decision is made.
21:08Now,
21:09Whichever one,
21:10Well,
21:10and if in the end
21:11the courts say
21:11yes,
21:12that is possible
21:12May that continue,
21:14Well,
21:14we already know
21:14that we will have to continue
21:15managing the electoral process
21:16with arguments
21:17and fallacious arguments
21:18What does it matter?
21:19But what I do believe
21:20It's only fair
21:22for the country,
21:23not for me,
21:24It's fair for the country
21:25that the judges
21:28they said
21:28which is the best.
21:29You insist
21:30in which this is
21:31a good thing for the country
21:32and for society,
21:34but finally
21:34You are the one who is
21:35fighting that battle.
21:36Do you feel lonely?
21:37No,
21:38No,
21:38No,
21:38not at all,
21:39not at all.
21:39I don't feel alone,
21:40what I'm doing
21:41is by exercising the right
21:42And I'll be back,
21:43I insist,
21:44What I want is
21:45protect an entity
21:46who has done a good job,
21:48There are 15,000 officials here.
21:50They must be respected here too,
21:52who can also be subjects
21:55of shares
21:56and of mistreatment,
21:58as they have been.
21:59In the popular consultation
22:00from last year
22:01They mistreated several of them
22:02and they beat them,
22:03in these some
22:04They also had that incident,
22:06because people
22:07Sometimes it's a little irrational
22:08and they believe that a
22:11recorder
22:11that is
22:12or an official
22:13from the registrar's office
22:13who is in a position
22:14voting
22:14is capable of altering
22:15the results,
22:16It's impossible for that to happen.
22:18The registrar's office
22:18does not declare the results,
22:20nor does it say who the mayor is,
22:21neither the governor,
22:21neither the president,
22:23That's what the electoral council does.
22:24after a scrutiny
22:25by some judges.
22:26The registrar's office
22:26It's not even there
22:27at the polling stations,
22:28but the average citizen
22:29he doesn't know
22:30and they end,
22:31It worries me,
22:32I say this honestly,
22:33that all this leads
22:35to an irrationality,
22:36to certain circumstances
22:37of abuse
22:38next year
22:39with the officials
22:40of the entity.
22:41It has occurred,
22:42last year,
22:43three years ago
22:43There were 90 incidents,
22:46the uprisings
22:47that were presented
22:47in Colombia
22:49in different municipalities
22:50of the country.
22:51Because?
22:51Due to misinformation,
22:53due to mistrust,
22:54through narratives,
22:55through instrumentalization,
22:57officials beaten,
22:58the women they murdered
22:59in Gamarra,
23:00others had to be removed
23:01of the places.
23:02Look,
23:02I've had here,
23:03I haven't even said it,
23:04several atypical elections,
23:05one that took place
23:06if not to take it in Fonseca,
23:08where it was necessary to leave,
23:11running to get a recorder
23:12who came from the center of the country,
23:14because they were chasing him
23:15on some motorcycles,
23:16because he arrived in Fonseca,
23:17Or I don't know if I think it was in Fonseca,
23:19and in that municipality he arrived at a hotel,
23:21the only hotel there was,
23:22And then what had arrived?
23:23to a hotel where the owner
23:24the hotel was more affectionate
23:25to a candidate,
23:26that poor man
23:26We had to more or less bring it here
23:28because they were already questioning it,
23:29They just don't understand.
23:31what they generate in society
23:34those disinformation narratives,
23:37I mean,
23:37endanger
23:38the integrity of the people,
23:39and those people in those towns
23:39He has no bodyguards,
23:40nor does he have anyone behind him,
23:42nor is he in an office
23:42as this privileged woman,
23:44No,
23:44They are in the streets
23:45fulfilling his duty,
23:46man,
23:47We all have to help.
23:48because they can't blame
23:50always to the essence of everything,
23:51My grandfather used to say,
23:52the bad worker
23:53He blames the tool.
23:54man,
23:55Let the cash register
23:55Do your homework,
23:56and that it will do him good
23:56who knows how to do it,
23:58That guardianship has something
24:00that particularly caught my attention
24:01attention,
24:02you didn't even ask
24:04to the Council of State
24:05that the former president
24:07in that case
24:08that he manages to verify
24:09because he deliberately lied.
24:12in those tweets
24:14against you,
24:15that it be rectified,
24:17but the Council of State
24:18Prepare the correction
24:21which corresponds,
24:22because you fear that
24:24eventually
24:25in a possible rectification
24:27the former president
24:28come back
24:29and run over
24:29his good name,
24:30Why did he do that?
24:31Because
24:33several decisions
24:34that have adopted
24:36against the former president
24:37what he has done
24:38it's re-victimizing
24:39to people,
24:39I don't know,
24:40I think it's countless
24:41the number already
24:41guardianships
24:42in which, on the contrary
24:44well
24:45mistreats people more,
24:46No,
24:46is that my interest
24:48That's not it.
24:49my interest
24:50is to protect
24:51the electoral system
24:51and that it is,
24:53somehow,
24:54instruction is given
24:56so that it doesn't stay
24:57or stop questioning it,
24:59not even my interest
25:00is in front of
25:01to my personal action,
25:02I handle the personal stuff myself.
25:03simply
25:04to have a document
25:05that works for me
25:06for the future,
25:06because I'm not interested
25:07do nothing,
25:08I'm not interested
25:08not even
25:08that it be rectified
25:09in front of me,
25:10I'm interested
25:11that it be rectified
25:11in front of the entity,
25:12What I want is in front of me
25:13It is a document
25:13that when I have,
25:15that in 30 years
25:16can continue showing it
25:16to my son
25:17And don't forget
25:18this moment in history,
25:19otherwise,
25:20nothing,
25:20I don't have
25:21no particular interest,
25:23But I am interested.
25:24that this entity
25:24be protected,
25:25I'm going inside
25:2614 months
25:26and this entity
25:27it cannot remain
25:28always already
25:29then in the discussion
25:31of a population group
25:33that she questions
25:34and the question
25:34so far
25:35that I cannot endure,
25:36because it can happen
25:36that moment
25:37in which it is both
25:38the siege
25:38and in which an entity
25:39I don't have any of these
25:39the power
25:40to get ahead
25:41an electoral process,
25:42and well,
25:42I am Colombian
25:43And here I think
25:43to live and to die
25:44and I hope this entity
25:45continue to be a pillar
25:47key to democracy
25:48from Colombia.
25:49I want to do it
25:50a question
25:51recorder,
25:53What was the calculation?
25:54that you did
25:55juridically
25:55to endure
25:57that siege
25:58two years old
25:59and barely
26:01interpose
26:01legal actions
26:02now?
26:02Why didn't he do it?
26:03before
26:04And how do you think?
26:06that must end
26:07this process
26:08that you gave him?
26:09Well, never
26:10I did it
26:10because I had
26:11clear
26:11that he couldn't
26:12get involved
26:13in the debate
26:13electoral,
26:14that my task
26:15It was about being prudent,
26:16put up with
26:17the arguments
26:18of any
26:18part
26:19of the
26:22campaigns
26:23policies
26:24and always
26:25reply
26:26with rest
26:26and giving
26:27explanations,
26:27because if I
26:30responded
26:31to that series
26:32of circumstances
26:33it was ending
26:34getting involved
26:35in the debate
26:35and so?
26:36I was going to do it
26:36much damage
26:37to the country
26:38and a lot
26:39damage
26:39to the registrar's office
26:40because it is my duty
26:41was to protect
26:41democracy
26:43and the system
26:43electoral
26:44and for those two years
26:45I never answered
26:46more than with
26:47arguments
26:48and with explanations
26:49were accepted
26:50or not
26:51but always
26:51I did it this way
26:52because it was obvious
26:53It was obvious
26:55Juan David
26:55if the registrar
26:57gets involved
26:58to answer
26:59strongly
27:00to answer
27:01with arguments
27:01a lot more
27:03consistent
27:04or suddenly hostile
27:05because what it was going to generate
27:07It was an altercation
27:09very big
27:09where that was
27:10very complicated
27:11for the country
27:12and I always understood
27:13that he had to walk
27:13with rest
27:15to endure any circumstance
27:16and wait
27:17make the choices
27:18do them well
27:19and then
27:20I had no doubt
27:21that he was going to exercise his rights
27:23on behalf of the registrar
27:24I thought about it a while ago
27:25one and a half years old
27:25but always
27:26I wanted to wait
27:27to which it passed
27:28the entire electoral process
27:29because honestly
27:30You calculate it
27:31where the registrar
27:32it would have
27:33dedicated
27:34to answer him
27:34to the president
27:36how much
27:37argument
27:38how much
27:39fury
27:40how much
27:41siege
27:41presented
27:42against
27:42of the entity
27:43or from this server
27:43if it had generated
27:44let's say
27:45a discussion
27:46between two people
27:47that they would have been
27:48very harmful
27:49for the electoral process
27:50I always understood it
27:51And that's why
27:52I tried to answer
27:52today
27:53I'm still the same.
27:54I don't answer
27:55with hostility
27:55but if I go
27:56to the courts
27:57Well, that's the least we can do.
27:57what a person should do
27:58which is what I think
27:59we must do
28:00I insist
28:01because there are elections
28:02in the coming year
28:03and this entity
28:03has to do
28:05an election
28:05It has to arrive
28:06with strength
28:07institutional
28:08for that
28:08What was the most
28:09It hurt him
28:10of all things
28:11that he said
28:11the former president
28:12to you?
28:12Which one was the most
28:13He touched it
28:14to you
28:15in his
28:17because in his
28:18in his spirit
28:20in his soul?
28:20What was the most
28:21Did you like it?
28:22two
28:23a
28:25when
28:27the decree
28:28that convened
28:29to the consultation
28:31popular
28:32through the system
28:33labor
28:34last year
28:34that the court
28:36or that the council
28:36state
28:37he suspended him
28:37and that we
28:38we said
28:39we're not going to do
28:39that process
28:41of consultations
28:42so much
28:43the council
28:43state
28:45said
28:45the council
28:46state
28:46that gave him
28:47the reason
28:47to the registrar
28:48and to the registrar's office
28:49on that day
28:50He said that
28:51has already committed
28:52criminal offenses
28:54of treason
28:55the next day
28:57Quite the opposite
28:58I had to put up with that
28:59but who
29:01if he committed the offense
29:02to issue
29:03an illegal act
29:04It never was
29:05you are welcome
29:05and
29:06he
29:07Twitter
29:08the trill
29:10that
29:11you read
29:11of national sovereignty
29:12where it says
29:13that I
29:13practically
29:14I ended democracy
29:16from Colombia
29:16that is
29:18reasonable
29:18let's say I
29:19It hurts a lot
29:20Because, well, no.
29:21I probably won't be
29:22the best server
29:22but
29:23far from wanting
29:25to violate democracy
29:26on the contrary
29:27strengthen it
29:28those two
29:31incidents
29:31to name them
29:32So
29:33they played
29:34They touched you
29:35to his
29:36to his
29:36good name
29:37how do you say it
29:38in guardianship
29:39your son is very young
29:41but
29:41that I would like him
29:42I knew
29:43of what he has done
29:44his dad
29:45these years
29:45not only
29:46that he understood
29:47and knew the truth
29:48That's the only thing
29:48that I want
29:49that it is clear
29:50the truth
29:51and that it is clear
29:51the paper
29:53So what have I done?
29:54as a public servant
29:54that's all
29:55no more
29:56because?
29:57because history
29:58it is lost
29:59because if I don't
30:01I go to the
30:01courts
30:03in 10 years
30:04suddenly
30:04society
30:05it is forgotten
30:06of what happened
30:06and it may end
30:07a narrative
30:08of those
30:09becoming more prevalent
30:10that what
30:11It really happened
30:12I have to have
30:13at least
30:13a document
30:14that accompanies me
30:15the rest of life
30:16for when someone
30:17speak
30:17of the elections
30:19of the year 2026
30:20well, I
30:21or one of my children
30:22or a grandchild
30:22show even
30:24a document
30:24in court
30:24And what happens
30:25if the council
30:25state
30:26he tells her
30:26no registrar
30:27we do not accept
30:28your request
30:30and you as the server
30:31public
30:31He has to endure
30:33even
30:33that kind of
30:35expressions
30:36coming from a
30:37president
30:37of the republic
30:38what's happening?
30:39no problem
30:39we will have to continue
30:40explaining all the time
30:41And I will continue to do so
30:42and would also understand
30:43that decision
30:46no problem
30:47because that is the duty
30:48and the laws
30:48and the decisions
30:49They must be obeyed
30:51but
30:51that I am sure of
30:54There's just no way
30:55that no court
30:57neither national
30:57nor international
30:58can say
30:59that in Colombia
30:59they were disturbed
31:00the election results
31:01Yes, I can assure you.
31:02I can put my hands in
31:03to the fire
31:04that will never happen
31:05Why is it so common?
31:07that this type
31:09of
31:10of scenarios
31:12around
31:12to criticize
31:13to the registrar's office
31:15well be
31:16building a career
31:17You come from Brazil
31:18of
31:20to be aware
31:21let's say
31:21of the electoral process
31:22that just happened
31:23and what just happened
31:25the thing is
31:25won
31:26he
31:27he
31:27the current president Lula
31:29and in turn
31:31his opponent
31:32who left the country
31:34this
31:35self-proclaimed
31:36like the president
31:37legitimate
31:37and criticizing
31:39the authorities
31:39electoral
31:40Why do you think
31:41that the leaders
31:43politicians
31:44They resort to these routes
31:45well, to try
31:46to install
31:46that narrative
31:47of distrust
31:48against people
31:50that are
31:50counting the votes
31:51of the citizenry?
31:52because of what I was telling him
31:53a few minutes ago
31:54because
31:55is being created
31:57a wave
31:58in many places
32:00Well
32:01not even
32:01Latin America
32:02of the planet
32:03where it is used
32:04the electoral authority
32:05or to the electoral system
32:06as a political tool
32:07and that example
32:09It helps me with the following
32:10I am the registrar here
32:13and won
32:14a sector
32:15ideological
32:17I went there, boss.
32:18of the mission
32:18international observer
32:19and won
32:20another corner
32:22ideological
32:22different
32:23so
32:24if indeed
32:25question
32:26my actions
32:27I was the boss
32:28of the missions
32:29in an election
32:29where he wins
32:30to the left
32:31then
32:31That's it
32:33is the use
32:35of the institutions
32:37electoral
32:38and the electoral system
32:39as a tool
32:40policy
32:40to justify
32:42defeats
32:43but even worse
32:45to generate
32:46institutional chaos
32:47and degrade
32:48the rule of law
32:49and so?
32:49It's very complicated.
32:50because it goes
32:51to generate
32:52complications
32:53and the states
32:55They're leaving
32:55to deteriorate
32:56That's not it.
32:57a minor issue
32:58We see it today
32:58like a passage
32:59And today we see it
33:01like what
33:01It is a circumstance
33:02what happened
33:03and well
33:03but it turns out
33:04that
33:05that strategy
33:08narrative
33:09It is being maintained
33:11it is becoming dominant
33:11and it can arrive
33:12one moment
33:12in which it generates
33:13violence
33:13the serious problem
33:15about that
33:15is that it generates
33:16violence
33:17in citizenship
33:18because there are people
33:19that genuinely
33:19can believe
33:20which indeed
33:21There were alterations
33:22and they end
33:23attacking each other
33:24the same citizenship
33:27mistreating themselves
33:27hitting
33:28or killing themselves
33:28the thing is
33:29We don't understand
33:30what is playing
33:31with candle
33:31which is very delicate
33:33act that way
33:34in these times
33:35intelligence
33:36artificial
33:37handling
33:38of these scenarios
33:41swamps
33:42so favorable
33:44let's say
33:44so that
33:45These politicians
33:47pour out hate
33:48through those networks
33:50What do you think?
33:51as registrar
33:52national
33:53and how
33:53let's say
33:54a figure
33:55very important
33:56within the
33:57Colombian state
33:58what you should think
33:59society
34:00for
34:01somehow
34:02face
34:03or face
34:03this situation
34:04because we are not
34:05simply remaining
34:06in which there are speeches
34:08hate
34:08in which this
34:09You can not pass
34:10and yet
34:11It keeps happening
34:12all the time
34:12that is to say
34:13What should we do?
34:14as a society?
34:15What should I do?
34:16Congress
34:16of the Republic
34:17the same executive
34:18the same entities
34:20even the citizens themselves
34:22to stop
34:23being manipulated
34:25through those spillways
34:26of hate?
34:26That's a topic
34:27very important
34:28that is being talked about
34:28almost in all
34:29world forums
34:31of electoral authorities
34:32the first conclusion
34:34I don't know when
34:35can be achieved
34:35because we have to
34:36legislate on that
34:37if they are not established
34:38regulations
34:39about the use
34:40and artificial intelligence
34:41about the same
34:42disinformation
34:42and fake news
34:43we don't know
34:44where are we headed?
34:45the videos that I have seen
34:46For example
34:46where they have manipulated
34:47my voice
34:48are credible
34:50that is to say
34:50They are very easy
34:52to confuse
34:54in second place
34:56social polarization
34:57It is a global risk
34:59that even
35:01is putting at risk
35:02States
35:02We've already seen it.
35:04We need to take care of it.
35:05and without a doubt
35:08And I can assure you of that.
35:09public entities
35:11They are not prepared
35:12for that circumstance
35:14of disinformation
35:15of artificial intelligence
35:16And if it's about
35:18of democracy
35:19much less
35:20there are none here
35:22another remedy
35:22while there is one
35:23regulation
35:24which should be
35:25inclusive
35:25of the global
35:26It doesn't even work
35:27a regulation
35:27level
35:28of the
35:29different states
35:30Brazil is one of the countries
35:31that have more advancements
35:32in regulation
35:33of artificial intelligence
35:34and the effects
35:36It's not that they were
35:36the best
35:37that is to say
35:38have done
35:38some advances
35:39and somehow
35:40that example
35:41but they have not succeeded
35:43let's say
35:45measure
35:45that circumstance
35:46or limit it
35:47here
35:48the only way
35:49today that I see
35:50It's that society
35:52have a role
35:52very active
35:54regarding the issue
35:55of disinformation
35:56if society
35:57He doesn't have a role
35:59liability asset
36:00This is somewhat rhetorical.
36:01But I just can't find it.
36:02and it is not found
36:03today
36:04at least
36:05some argument
36:06more solid
36:06what responsibility
36:07because I hear it
36:08all the time
36:09reports
36:09what is
36:10what is
36:10that is to say
36:11the citizens
36:12how can you do it
36:12to fight
36:13against that
36:15first
36:15has to participate
36:16private
36:17the platforms
36:19support networks
36:20democratic
36:21NGOs
36:22the guilds
36:23everyone helping
36:25to do
36:26pedagogy
36:27and to report well
36:28the media
36:29well, determining
36:30First, provide accurate information.
36:32and a single entity
36:34He doesn't succeed.
36:34many sectors
36:36private
36:36They have to support
36:37so that, for example,
36:38in a democratic process
36:39can disseminate the information
36:41reach all levels
36:43the guilds
36:44to get the information to
36:46truthful information
36:47reach your officials
36:50that is to say
36:50These are actions
36:51in which they have to participate
36:52many public entities
36:55and private
36:55and in the end
36:56That's also somewhat rhetorical.
36:58But there's no other way.
36:59ask the citizens
37:00Yes, that's true.
37:01ask the citizens
37:02Well, then he should have more responsibility.
37:04but above all
37:04that she is well informed
37:06The problem is that there are some
37:07who don't want to be properly informed
37:08It's not that they're not well informed.
37:10but they're not interested
37:12inform well
37:12because it would seem that
37:14It makes them much more useful
37:16I was watching
37:16because it's a relief to be well informed
37:18that is to say
37:19it can also be
37:20because it takes time
37:21because they don't
37:22They simply want to confirm
37:24their biases
37:24their prejudices
37:25But look at the following
37:26I was looking at a survey
37:27that they did in the United States
37:30where it gives a piece of information
37:31which I found very positive
37:34and it was that
37:35the radicals
37:38They are no more than 8%
37:40of the population
37:408%
37:41from a radical sector
37:43and another 8%
37:44from another radical sector
37:45And that's all.
37:46The news isn't that difficult
37:47because it is supposed
37:48which is a
37:48let's say
37:48a part of the city
37:50very little
37:50the bad news
37:52the thing is
37:53the capacity it has
37:54to invade
37:55the conversation
37:57and social media
37:58It's 60%.
37:59that 8%
38:00or that 16%
38:028% on one side
38:03and 8% of the other
38:04it comes to invade
38:0560%
38:06social media
38:08with radical information
38:09And that's where
38:10doesn't understand
38:11because
38:11what they call
38:12echo chambers
38:13where people
38:13He just wants to listen
38:14to whom
38:15their opinion
38:16the same circumstances
38:17that one has
38:18in his head
38:19And what's the problem?
38:21that there are liars
38:22out of conviction
38:23And there are liars.
38:24by nature
38:25I have said
38:25that they by conviction
38:26They lie to others
38:28But the liars
38:29by nature
38:30They lie to each other
38:30including themselves
38:31And that's what
38:32is generating
38:33that the citizens
38:34start believing it
38:35in a single argument
38:37despite
38:37that it is
38:38survivor
38:40President Petro
38:41Is he lying to himself?
38:43No, not me.
38:44I wouldn't know
38:46say it
38:46the truth
38:47But we have to ask.
38:50recorder
38:53you
38:54to get there
38:55to take
38:56legal actions
38:57There was a moment
38:58in which he said
38:59I'm going to take
38:59legal actions
39:00But first
39:01to continue
39:02that path
39:03you tried
39:04to speak
39:04personally
39:05with Mr.
39:06former president Petro
39:07He tried to explain
39:08he tried to tell her
39:09or Mr.
39:10I didn't want to hear
39:11no reason of yours
39:12never
39:13He never wanted to listen
39:14the reasons
39:14from the registrar's office
39:16I spoke with him
39:17once does
39:18I don't know
39:19It will be two or three years.
39:20I don't remember anymore.
39:21It was the only time
39:21in which
39:22I explained a little to him
39:23the electoral process
39:24I mean
39:25four years
39:25speak once
39:26once
39:27that which he tells
39:28to you
39:28of the former president
39:31that it has not had
39:32let's say
39:33better treatment
39:34with the person
39:35that handles
39:36the registrar's office
39:37national
39:38of civil status
39:38well first
39:39That is unprecedented.
39:40It's too atypical
39:41generally
39:42a registrar
39:42it has to be
39:43permanently
39:44talking to the government
39:44national and with the president
39:45for many reasons
39:47Well, I see it that way.
39:47of the registrars
39:49who preceded me
39:51They all had dialogue.
39:52very fluid
39:54with the government
39:55I'm referring to ministers
39:56all the ministers
39:58especially defense
39:59indoors
40:00and ICTs
40:01and with the president
40:03because of the election calendar
40:04due to security issues
40:05because of the budget
40:07that is to say
40:08always has to
40:09a government
40:09in a country like ours
40:11where for example
40:12the Ministry of the Interior
40:13is in charge
40:13of the commissions
40:16electoral guarantees
40:17and where it is accepted
40:18that work be done
40:18with the ministry
40:19We need to talk
40:19permanently
40:20to ensure
40:21the political division
40:22electoral
40:22to install the tables
40:23only once
40:24once
40:25How long did they talk?
40:27very little
40:28I don't know
40:29Think about 10 or 15 minutes
40:30What did they talk about?
40:31That was several years ago.
40:34and we talked about
40:35I don't remember well.
40:37I think that in general
40:38about the electoral process
40:39I explained a little to him
40:40what was the process like
40:42how it was carried out
40:43the scrutiny
40:44what tasks did I have
40:45the electoral council
40:46What were the tasks?
40:47from the registrar's office
40:48how far did it reach
40:50operational capacity
40:51who declared results
40:52I put a little bit in
40:53as in context
40:54each of the stages
40:55of the electoral process
40:56and each of the competencies
40:58of the authorities
40:58so what for
40:59I've always done it myself.
41:01I always wanted to do it
41:02or at the time
41:03and then with other authorities
41:04so that it would be understood
41:05which is not the registrar's office
41:07the one they declare
41:08and the one who does the counting
41:08and it was basically a chat
41:10related to that
41:11from then on
41:12anymore
41:13They will understand that it is not easy.
41:14manage an election
41:16when
41:17let's say we don't have it
41:18dialogue with a president
41:19and worse still
41:20when on the contrary
41:21the head of state
41:23what he wants
41:24it is always
41:26disqualify
41:26the electoral process
41:27or to the electoral system itself
41:29because
41:29The problem is
41:30not only the process
41:32but the electoral system
41:33then if you disqualify
41:34the electoral system
41:35because it is being proposed
41:36then change it
41:36the system
41:37But elections have to be held.
41:38we cannot wait
41:39to change the system
41:40which can be delayed
41:41two years
41:41in a legislative act
41:43in order to believe
41:44and trust in him
41:45Well, that's what we have.
41:46and with that system
41:47We have to work
41:49well registrar
41:50thanks for
41:51This interview
41:52we have a lot left over
41:53of Quintero's themes
41:54Let me do it
41:55one last question
41:56you had just arrived
41:57a face registrar
41:58he told me once
41:59that you had
42:00an obsession
42:01to find
42:02to the people
42:03that did not appear
42:04in the electoral registers
42:06and in doing
42:07Great job!
42:08identification
42:09of an amount
42:10of people
42:11that they did not have
42:12the most basic rights
42:14which was
42:14being recognized
42:16as a Colombian citizen
42:18you even
42:19He even told me
42:20that you calculated
42:21that was nearby
42:21of more than one million
42:23of people
42:23in that scenario
42:26almost a year ago
42:28let's say
42:28until his term ends
42:29How many people
42:31has managed to identify
42:31the registrar's office
42:32of that group
42:34population
42:35Why didn't it appear?
42:36we have made progress
42:37a lot
42:37a lot
42:37Here we are doing
42:38identification days
42:40permanently
42:40because of underreporting
42:41in Colombia
42:42around that time
42:43we calculated
42:43which was a little
42:44more than one million
42:45of people
42:46we are doing
42:47identification days
42:48a couple of weeks ago
42:49We did the week
42:50of the identification
42:50and a whole week
42:51We went to identify ourselves
42:52to the places
42:53most extreme in Colombia
42:54we have identified
42:55some more
42:56of 450,000 people
42:58during these two years
43:00I would have liked
43:01advance further
43:02but
43:02but 450,000 people
43:04There was always so much to do
43:04450,000 people
43:06appeared
43:07I mean
43:07You already have them counted.
43:09today they didn't appear
43:10three years ago
43:10more or less
43:11between 350 and 450
43:12that were not
43:13in the records
43:14and that they have achieved
43:15obtain your document
43:16identity
43:17And I'm talking about people.
43:18small
43:18children
43:19even elderly people
43:20of age
43:20we have found
43:21people aged 60 and 70
43:22that until now
43:23They receive their document
43:24identity
43:24all of them
43:25in the places
43:25more contributed
43:26Look at just one example
43:27three weeks ago
43:28we were in a place
43:29that remains
43:30in Maicá
43:31It is known as
43:33the track
43:34It is the settlement
43:36largest migration
43:37from all of America
43:38It's impressive.
43:39I went all the way there
43:40and that day
43:42we identify as
43:43300 or 400 children
43:44that they had no document
43:46identity
43:47that's it
43:47on one side of Maicá
43:48where was
43:49the airport
43:50children
43:51of people
43:52born in that place
43:54It is a settlement
43:55which carries as
43:555 or 6 years
43:57And there we found
43:58a little bit of children
43:59Then we're doing well.
43:59We're still making progress.
44:01your record may
44:02be taller
44:02There is no conclusive data
44:03the number I was telling him
44:05That's the one I calculated.
44:05but it can be higher
44:06or less
44:07But we are making progress
44:08Have they been achieved?
44:10let's say
44:12design public policies
44:13once found
44:15These 400,000 people
44:17or what do you expect?
44:18that the State
44:19do it with 400,000 people
44:21that he had no news
44:23that existed in Colombia?
44:24what I would like
44:24That's what it is too
44:25I told you
44:26several years ago
44:26that when the registrar
44:28would arrive
44:29to grant citizenship
44:30the right to identification
44:31which is the first right
44:32because if you
44:33not identified
44:34He has no other rights
44:35that right
44:36is the one that derives
44:36in other rights
44:37the right to health
44:38to education
44:38I always told him so.
44:39I would have liked
44:40that when the registrar
44:41I would identify
44:42the State would come behind it
44:44with its services
44:44but it was never possible
44:46in those three years
44:46I'm telling you
44:47the registrar's office
44:47It is their own task
44:48alone
44:48we went to do
44:50our task
44:50And we've done it.
44:50and we keep doing it
44:51But the most useful thing would be
44:53that when the registrar
44:54I arrived
44:54I arrived with the others
44:55State entities
44:56with health entities
44:57with prosperity
44:59with well-being
45:01so that once and for all
45:02that person sees
45:02that document
45:03and that record
45:04It made him more human.
45:05He was given more rights
45:07and he solved it
45:07part of their needs
45:08That couldn't be done
45:09in those three years
45:10because of the dialogue
45:11with the government
45:11It was very difficult
45:12and I always felt
45:14that the officials
45:15They weren't interested
45:17or gave them a little
45:17of fear
45:18talk to me
45:18because
45:19someone them
45:20someone them
45:22was giving away
45:22But this is what
45:24we have to do
45:24I hope
45:25from now on
45:25to be able to do
45:26with the identification
45:27with all organs
45:28of the State
45:29or at least
45:29the entities
45:30that provide services
45:30to get there
45:31to the citizens
45:32that way
45:32Well
45:33recorder
45:33Thank you for this interview.
45:35Look
45:35That's your camera
45:36He wants to tell her something.
45:37to the former president
45:38Gustavo Petro
45:39today leader of the opposition
45:40policy
45:40for the elections
45:41from 2017
45:42I just want to tell you
45:43to Colombian society
45:44who trusts the registrar's office
45:45that this is an entity
45:47full of people
45:47wonderful
45:48technicians
45:49that only interests them
45:50fulfill your duty
45:50that this entity
45:52has been an entity
45:53tested
45:53that in these two years
45:55in addition to the elections
45:56of congress
45:57and of the presidency
45:58in the first and second round
45:59has performed more than
46:0140 atypical elections
46:02all impeccable
46:03that this entity has
46:04a proven entity
46:05but also
46:06And I'll close with this.
46:07I believe the entity
46:08in decades
46:09more researched
46:10more examined
46:12and more often
46:13of any entity
46:14of the Colombian State
46:15He was here for a whole year
46:16the prosecution
46:17the comptroller's office
46:18the attorney general's office
46:19accompanying the electoral process
46:20international observation
46:22and all political parties
46:23this entity
46:24is the entity
46:26which it has always had
46:27open
46:28all your information
46:28to clear up any doubts
46:30but
46:31the narratives
46:32and misinformation
46:33They beat her
46:33And I always say
46:34Trust me in this entity
46:36that she does the task well
46:37no I
46:38many people
46:39thousands
46:40that have been going on for years
46:41fulfilling his country's duty
46:42at the national registry
46:44Thank you very much, registrar.
46:47thank you
46:47thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:48thank you
46:50thank you
46:50thank you
46:50thank you
46:50Thanks for watching the video.