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Ranbir Kapoor, Sai Pallavi and Yash chat to Melissa Nathoo about the pressure of bringing Ramayana: Rise of a Legend to the big screen on an international scale and the use of AI to make it an immersive experience. Plus what was cut from the international version of the film. Report by Nathoom. Like us on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/itn and follow us on Twitter at http://twitter.com/itn
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00:00Sometimes an audience doesn't like reading subtitles, they miss the visuals.
00:04And because our film is a visual spectacle, we want them to really be arrested by the visuals.
00:08And what happens is when you're watching the movie, you know, and you're just reading,
00:11so you miss certain, you know, frames which give you that epic spectacle vibe.
00:18Thank you for bringing us such an epic tale on such a grand screen.
00:22It's almost like taking someone's favourite book and bringing it to screen.
00:25People are so protective over these figures that we've known our whole lives.
00:29So what's it like for you having to deal with that pressure of people who we have heard about our
00:36entire lives?
00:37I think it's a responsibility more than pressure.
00:39You know, we all have been born in Indian culture.
00:43You know, we all are God-loving, God-fearing people.
00:45We're very sensitive towards what we are representing.
00:49You know, and I think the intention of everybody on this film was to make the best Ramayana possible,
00:55the most authentic Ramayana possible.
00:56And I think everybody had devotion in their heart.
00:59They had, you know, good and pure intentions.
01:04There was a lot of hard work and passion.
01:06And everybody was very eager and passionate and inspired to tell the story.
01:10It's been a great experience.
01:11And I think we, or at least I did not know the amount of pressure we would have to face.
01:19Because during the first beginning stages where we were all picked to play the parts, I think it's about playing
01:24it right.
01:25It's about being in the moment, being true to the character and doing our best.
01:28You don't think about how you're going to be perceived.
01:30It's just during these promotions and having people's reactions to our, the content that's put out there that there's a
01:37little pressure.
01:38I bet, I bet.
01:39In life of whatever you try to do, people will have problems, but especially when there is something which is
01:48so dear or close to them.
01:50They tend to have that fear that how will they represent, but I believe in people.
01:57And if they get to know the intent of the makers and they understand that these guys are trying to
02:04do something for the story to reach beyond our borders,
02:08then I think they will see it with the lens where they also forgive for our small mistakes.
02:14But intentionally, if you have taken it for granted and if you act smart, yes, these kinds of things can
02:19be very risky.
02:21But we had two choices, whether to run away from it or take that responsibility and hope for the best
02:28and work with the right intent and expect hopefully the people also will understand it.
02:34And I think that is what we are trying to do.
02:36I saw the English version of it.
02:39That's what they showed it to me.
02:40And I know that the use of AI has been addressed already.
02:43I'm curious to know how you guys felt seeing yourself speaking English.
02:48Have you seen the English version?
02:49Yes, we have.
02:50What's it like for you?
02:51You know, it's just not AI.
02:53It's just not that when we shot this Hindi version and we put it in a computer and saying, make
02:56them speak English.
02:57You know, we had a lot of, we had at least close to like 10 to 12 days of work.
03:01It's a huge process.
03:02Where you know, you're wearing this large helmet kind of thing.
03:06With cameras.
03:06With cameras, which is kind of mimicking your lip movements and your throat movements.
03:11It captures your muscles which move and how you smile, how you say certain words, how your cheeks move and
03:18the rest of it, how your throat.
03:19So, so it literally captures.
03:20And after that, so what it, what it has enabled us that it has made us save time.
03:24So instead of like giving a Hindi take or a Kannada take or a Malayalam take, English take.
03:30What happens is you speak in the language that the film is being made.
03:33And then you have, you know, other, like a person who can speak Spanish, person who can speak French.
03:40They come in and they just put in the voice.
03:42But for the audiences to not kind of feel weird about them speaking this language.
03:47Now the lips are sinking with that language.
03:50I didn't feel weird.
03:51I was just curious what it's like for you because you've, you've spoken it in, you've done it in Hindi
03:55and then you're seeing yourself speaking a different language.
03:58I think we're trying to solve a problem here.
04:00Like it's almost like if you watch Planet of the Apes, humans are involved, they act and you cannot make
04:07ape speak some language.
04:09Right. And then if you say, I have a problem with that because technology I don't like.
04:14So people have this fear of AI.
04:16But what we are trying to use is very simple, like Planet of the Apes, a human acts, all his
04:22emotions are captured.
04:23And then when you see it, you are emotionally connecting.
04:26Lots of work has gone into it.
04:28Likewise here, how do you shoot movie in every language?
04:33You all like to understand in our native language.
04:35So the intent behind this is whole world is dubbing movies into 50 languages, 60 different things wherever possible because
04:43to communicate a story.
04:44This is the next step of it where when you're watching the dubbed lip, something is off.
04:49So human mind is very sharp and you get to disconnect.
04:53We have done this for so many years, but technology now we have really put in so much of effort
04:58and people are involved in it.
05:00I think I want to make it very clear when we say AI, it is not the AI which is
05:04taking away the jobs.
05:05This is actually creating more work because initially we would have just dubbed and then it would be over for
05:11lip sync.
05:11We have used human drivers.
05:13So that has created more job opportunities and more work has gone into this for giving audience a better experience.
05:20So for me, it's a tool.
05:21And when we use a tool to tell the story and communicate it better, all technology is good.
05:27So that is something which people have to understand.
05:29It's not something like you just put it in the system and a machine gives you that output.
05:33So each and every expression, each and every thing is designed according to the lip, according to the thing.
05:39And it's gone with the VFX artist also.
05:41So it's a lot of work and that is to give them a better experience.
05:44So people should not fear or see it like how it's an AI thing.
05:48It's an easier replacement.
05:49It's not a lot of work.
05:50Also, I think where cinema or entertainment is going, I think the audiences today want options of how they want
05:57to consume.
05:58It's not that we have different languages.
06:01Say if you're living in France, you can only see in French.
06:05If you want to see it in the original language, you have an option of seeing it.
06:08So you're giving the audiences the option of consuming the story in whatever way that they would like.
06:14And I think that's how today you have a film.
06:18You can watch it on OTT.
06:20You can watch it on the big screen.
06:21You can watch it on your phone.
06:22You know, we're not blaming OTT or the phone that they're taking away cinema goers.
06:28You're just enabling the audience that, you know, you have the option of consuming the story in whatever best way
06:34possible that you enjoy.
06:35Like I said though, I saw the English version, which means that they took out the songs and I'm really
06:39gutted to tell me what I have missed.
06:40Well, then you've got to see the Hindi version.
06:42I will go see it, but tell other people who might not see it.
06:45What have we missed?
06:45Were you missed a good 30 minutes?
06:47Yeah, 30 minutes.
06:4830, 40 minutes.
06:49And it's all not songs.
06:50It's not all songs.
06:51It's all the scenes.
06:51Some more detailing of Bharata portion.
06:55All of that is there.
06:55English version because there are so many characters.
06:58People may not relate to it or understand it at this point in time.
07:02So collective decision was taken for what is the right length and what is the right presentation for it.
07:08And maybe if they like it, they can dive deep into it.
07:12They want to dive deep into it.
07:13They can watch our Indian regional version.
07:15Even after that, if they want to know more about it, they can read this script itself.
07:20So that's a way to...
07:22Are there dance sequences though that I have missed or anything like that?
07:24No.
07:25No, I think we have tried to...
07:26That's like sometimes some of my favorite parts of Bollywood films.
07:28It's like that kind of stuff.
07:30So I just want to make sure that's not what I missed.
07:32I'll give you an example.
07:32When Yash had his film Toxic release a couple of months back, I remember I messaged him and said that
07:38which language should I watch it?
07:40And he said, why don't you watch it in Hindi?
07:41It'll be easier for you if you remember.
07:43So it all depends on you, you know, how you would like to consume it.
07:47Sometimes an audience doesn't like reading subtitles, they miss the visuals.
07:51And because our film is a visual spectacle, we want them to really be arrested by the visuals.
07:55And what happens is when you're watching the movie, you know, and you're just reading, so you miss certain, you
08:00know, frames, which give you that epic spectacle vibe.
08:05So I think that's because of all of these reasons, you know, we have this.
08:09Listen, I was fully immersed.
08:11I liked actually getting to see it and understand everything.
08:13It's a story I've grown up with, but I feel like I understand a bit more.
08:16What other languages do you speak?
08:18Creole, which I speak in Mauritius.
08:19Okay, we will ask our Brahmai to make a Creole version.
08:22A Creole, there you go, and then that'll be fine.
08:24No, English is great for me.
08:25Good luck with it.
08:26I look forward to part two as well.
08:27Thank you so much.

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