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Philosopher Stefan Molyneux talks about the man versus bear question and why women pick the bear for safety while men get treated as threats by default. He also hears from a caller who seeks advice on how to manage a difficult workplace, as well as a caller who fosters abused kids and works with boys who can change instead of being called monsters forever.
0:00:00 Dave Chappelle on Charlie Kirk
0:02:21 The Pareto Principle and Unequal Talent
0:05:33 A Workplace Dilemma and Whistleblowing
0:16:10 Finding Peace After a Chaotic Childhood
0:20:36 Breaking the Cycle of Chaos
0:27:17 When Is It Time to Leave the Fight?
0:34:54 Helping Others Versus Letting Them Learn
0:39:27 When Past Trauma Shapes Present Choices
0:42:10 Moral Duty or Self-Bullying?
0:44:19 Choosing Peace and Setting Boundaries
0:46:12 Foster Care and Helping Troubled Children
0:49:14 Women’s Safe Spaces and Men’s Reputation
0:56:20 Evolutionary Roots of Fear and Attraction
1:00:28 Personal Safety, Suspicion, and the Bear Debate
1:07:51 Why Society Turns Against Men
1:11:23 Alienated Young Men and Social Change
1:13:56 Gender Roles, Welfare, and Family Life
1:23:21 Audience Questions and the Show’s Closing Thoughts
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0:00:00 Dave Chappelle on Charlie Kirk
0:02:21 The Pareto Principle and Unequal Talent
0:05:33 A Workplace Dilemma and Whistleblowing
0:16:10 Finding Peace After a Chaotic Childhood
0:20:36 Breaking the Cycle of Chaos
0:27:17 When Is It Time to Leave the Fight?
0:34:54 Helping Others Versus Letting Them Learn
0:39:27 When Past Trauma Shapes Present Choices
0:42:10 Moral Duty or Self-Bullying?
0:44:19 Choosing Peace and Setting Boundaries
0:46:12 Foster Care and Helping Troubled Children
0:49:14 Women’s Safe Spaces and Men’s Reputation
0:56:20 Evolutionary Roots of Fear and Attraction
1:00:28 Personal Safety, Suspicion, and the Bear Debate
1:07:51 Why Society Turns Against Men
1:11:23 Alienated Young Men and Social Change
1:13:56 Gender Roles, Welfare, and Family Life
1:23:21 Audience Questions and the Show’s Closing Thoughts
My 10v1 debate in Vegas is coming up on November 16! Check out Digital Social Hour on YouTube for the livestream links: https://youtube.com/@DigitalSocialHour.
Support philosophy! https://freedomain.com/donate/
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00:00:00All right, all right. Good morning, everybody.
00:00:02Savannah Molyneux from FreedomAin, freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show.
00:00:08And it is the 8th of November, 2028 at 10 o'clock in the morning and change and change
00:00:15we will. So, John Anderson style.
00:00:21So what's in the news?
00:00:25What's in the news?
00:00:27Well, Dave Chappelle is in the news.
00:00:33And of course, I shouldn't laugh, but it is entirely predictable.
00:00:39It is entirely predictable.
00:00:42So, of course, Charlie Kirk was against reparations.
00:00:49He was against the welfare state as a whole.
00:00:54And so not at all surprisingly, a number of leftists, of course, are happy that he's dead
00:01:02or was murdered.
00:01:04And of course, one of those people is Dave Chappelle, the comedian.
00:01:12He said recently, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk, got murdered, he said, and I shouldn't
00:01:19say this publicly, but I feel better.
00:01:22Well, there you have it.
00:01:27And this is kind of directly, I think, coming out of the issue of not taking a sort of stern
00:01:40legal approach to all of the NGOs and universities and all of that who encourage this kind of stuff.
00:01:48Like, it's kind of wild to me that hate speech is such a big thing in the world as a
00:01:56whole.
00:01:56But, you know, communists and communism literally talk about liquidating entire classes of people.
00:02:02And you can be a communist and you can be well-respected and get tenure at a publicly funded university.
00:02:11As Lenin said, the capitalists will sell us the rope, which we use to hang themselves.
00:02:16I think it was Lenin.
00:02:17Could have been some other communist.
00:02:18All right.
00:02:19So we'll get to that in a sec.
00:02:21Caller is up front.
00:02:23If you wanted to let me know what's on your mind.
00:02:27I'm happy to hear your thoughts.
00:02:30Good morning.
00:02:31Good morning.
00:02:33So I have two thoughts.
00:02:35One is a problem and one is, I guess it's kind of a compliment.
00:02:41But I was thinking, like, as far as the Pareto principle goes, which you taught me.
00:02:48Thank you for that.
00:02:49It's an entirely different lens to look at the world through.
00:02:53And sorry, do you mind if I just, sorry to interrupt.
00:02:56Let me just give, like, 30 seconds on the Pareto principle.
00:02:59Sure.
00:03:00So the Pareto principle is basically a principle of extreme talent in that in any productive group
00:03:06or any meritocratic group, a group where the most able rises to the top, the square root
00:03:11of the number produces half the value.
00:03:13So in a group of 100 people, 10 people are producing half the value.
00:03:17In a company of 10,000 people, 100 of them are producing a quarter of the value and so
00:03:23on.
00:03:24And so given that there's just a very small number of people who produce almost, well,
00:03:29disproportionately massive amounts of value.
00:03:31If you don't have an incentive structure that rewards those people, because it's hard work
00:03:36and risky to produce that much value, then you end up with economic decay.
00:03:42So this is 99% of money in the arts goes to, like, 1% of the people.
00:03:49It's the same thing with sports, maybe the same with podcasting as well.
00:03:53So the Pareto principle is just an uncomfortable basic fact of what seems to be largely innate,
00:03:59although to some degree learned talent.
00:04:02So, sorry, go ahead.
00:04:05Yeah, I wouldn't say that it's unfair.
00:04:09I actually think it's fascinating.
00:04:11Okay, sorry.
00:04:12But so Elon is trying to send civilization interplanetary, and he's at the end of that
00:04:20Pareto distribution, and you are making sure there is a civilization to send.
00:04:27That's an interesting way to put it.
00:04:29I would say that his prominence and success is probably a little bit more than mine in
00:04:33the visible present sense.
00:04:34But the purpose of a philosopher is to influence the world in ways that only show up a generation
00:04:42or two later, and sometimes even longer than that.
00:04:46So, yeah, he's obviously infinitely more prominent in the here and now.
00:04:51But as an industrialist, his inventions are going to fall back in time.
00:04:57And it's like nobody uses the rotary dial telephone anymore, although the people who
00:05:01invented it were brilliant.
00:05:02And so, but ideas, good ideas, good arguments, moral progress really has a sort of big cone
00:05:09into the future.
00:05:10So, but sorry, go ahead.
00:05:13Yeah, just essentially, like, I know that a lot of children were born due to your counsel.
00:05:18So, I just thought, if you don't work together, you know, and I just, I find it fascinating
00:05:25that you're, you know, indirectly on the same mission at the distribution end of the Pareto
00:05:32principle.
00:05:32So, the second thing is, I'm having a real problem at work, and I was wondering if you
00:05:39would counsel me.
00:05:40I'd be happy to.
00:05:42Okay.
00:05:43So, I have a really terrible boss.
00:05:47And just for context, my, I'm leaving at the end of this week.
00:05:51But what I'm struggling with is that I've identified some problems with respect to how
00:06:00the company operates.
00:06:01And I'm sort of, like, sucked into a magnet in the sense that this is very similar to my
00:06:07childhood.
00:06:08So, my boss's wife is very, part of the dark triad personalities.
00:06:14She gossips, manipulates, you know, leverages her control for deviant ways, that sort of
00:06:22thing.
00:06:22And so, essentially, she's very lazy and incompetent, and she doesn't do any of the safety paperwork
00:06:27that needs to be done.
00:06:29Oh, she works at the company too, right?
00:06:31Yeah, she works at the company.
00:06:33She handles the administrative side.
00:06:35And my boss, I've tried to talk to him a couple of times and bring up a few issues, and
00:06:40he always
00:06:40says to me, just refer to her, refer to her.
00:06:44And so, because of her laziness and incompetence, she hasn't done any of the safety paperwork
00:06:50that needs to be done, in which case they haven't been protected from any liability.
00:06:54I know that she doesn't really like her husband that much.
00:06:58And just for context of the story, originally, they hired a bookkeeper because she fell behind
00:07:04$70,000 in their CRA submission, not submissions, but receipts, essentially, like submitting to
00:07:12the government.
00:07:15And so, now, essentially, he's staring down the barrel of potentially $3 or $4 million in
00:07:22lawsuits because in the event that something happens on the job, and we work in the oil
00:07:27field, so there's almost a guarantee, when OH&S comes, storms the building, sort of looking
00:07:34for proof that, you know, they've got some sort of liability coverage, there isn't going
00:07:37to be a stitch of paperwork in the building.
00:07:39And he thinks $70,000 is bad.
00:07:42Like, there's a lot of personal liability here.
00:07:45And I've tried to tell him, but the reason that I'm struggling is because we had a conversation
00:07:54probably a year ago with respect to my father and how I sort of admired him and respected
00:08:00him while he was married to...
00:08:02Sorry, we being here?
00:08:03You and I.
00:08:04You and I.
00:08:04Sorry, we were just flipping context here.
00:08:06I just wanted to make...
00:08:06I thought maybe you had a conversation with your boss about it.
00:08:08Okay, so you and I had a conversation.
00:08:09Go ahead.
00:08:10Yeah, and essentially, like, I had idealized my father and thought he was a victim of this
00:08:14woman, but you did point out that it was his choice and that, you know, he was pleading
00:08:20ignorance to the fact that she was torturing his children and, you know, it's a very, very
00:08:25similar, eerily similar situation here.
00:08:27And I've resigned myself to the fact that I need to walk away from this, but the trouble
00:08:33is that there's these two young guys that are, like, you know, in their early 30s that
00:08:38are potentially, like, ready to start a family.
00:08:40And we know people in common, and they're making heavy investments, and they're pouring,
00:08:48like, you know, upwards of $50,000 into this company with no liability protection.
00:08:54Do I have a responsibility?
00:08:57Like, obviously, there's confidentiality, although they didn't ask me to sign an NDA, and, like,
00:09:04their whole liability side is extensive.
00:09:09But the credibility that I have is the reason that these guys are sticking around in this
00:09:15company.
00:09:17So, because they, the people that we know in common have said, like, yeah, no, she's,
00:09:22you know, on point about a lot of things, obviously things you taught me.
00:09:25But it's, it's that I'm rare in the sense that, you know, I have a practical side, and
00:09:32I'm not caught up in the left-woke-ism, and I'm a female, so, you know what I mean?
00:09:37It's like, it's usually almost a guarantee that, you know, you would be for the woke agenda.
00:09:47And have they put the money in already, or are they thinking of doing it?
00:09:51They, they have put the money in already.
00:09:54And the weird part about it was, my boss tortured me for months.
00:09:57Like, she made a big deal out of every small thing.
00:10:01She tried to rub her, what she thinks is success in my face, although I'm really well aware
00:10:07that she's headed for a huge crash.
00:10:09And I don't admire or covet people that are manipulative.
00:10:14It doesn't really matter to me how much financial success you have.
00:10:18Like, you're very predatory.
00:10:19You're stealing it all from your husband.
00:10:20And you're literally undercutting him in the process of your day.
00:10:26Like, I don't want your life.
00:10:28I don't want you to get too much into details about your issues with this woman on a public
00:10:33forum, but we can just accept, of course, if you say dark triad or whatever, that she's
00:10:38a very challenging personality to work with.
00:10:41I'm fine with all of that.
00:10:43So, is your major concern these two young men?
00:10:48I think it is.
00:10:50But, like, I think it is.
00:10:52But I'm just wondering, like, how much in the name of virtue or what I would determine
00:10:59to be, like, an ideally virtuous person do I sacrifice?
00:11:03Like, where, you know, because I was very, I was white knighting men for a really long
00:11:09time and you're like, probably don't do that.
00:11:13You know what I mean?
00:11:14So, I mean, and then wouldn't that be kind of just a continuation of that behavior?
00:11:20I'm not sure I follow.
00:11:21Sorry.
00:11:23Um, that if I sort of step in and try to intervene in these men making a terrible mistake, is
00:11:31that my responsibility?
00:11:32Because it's definitely going to make her my enemy, like, forever.
00:11:38But, like I said, she's, she, she has since become my best friend.
00:11:43You know, she's offering me gifts.
00:11:45She's trying to buddy up to me because of the respect I've earned through their friend
00:11:49group.
00:11:50So, she's, you know, like, I feel some responsibility here, but I'm not sure where, what are your
00:12:01thoughts?
00:12:02That's a complicated situation.
00:12:03So, let me just make sure I understand the situation completely.
00:12:05So, you're on your way out, but you're concerned about the young men who may want to start families
00:12:11soon, getting dragged into a business black hole or a legal or regulatory black hole, and
00:12:17that that's going to mess them up.
00:12:18But they've already invested in the company, so they're already kind of tied in.
00:12:22And if you warn them, then your concern is that your boss's wife is going to know that
00:12:28it's you and become your enemy.
00:12:31Do I have it roughly correct?
00:12:32Okay.
00:12:33Yes, perfectly correct.
00:12:35All right.
00:12:37And how close do the two young men work with the boss's wife?
00:12:45They don't work with her.
00:12:47Okay.
00:12:48Yeah, they just, they're in the field.
00:12:51And so, I don't think that they, no, no, they don't work with her.
00:12:58Okay.
00:12:59And how much do they work with the boss's boss, her husband?
00:13:05Quite a bit, like, pretty much every day.
00:13:07Okay.
00:13:09So, if your boss is the kind of guy who marries a woman like this, then is it the case
00:13:17that
00:13:17there are any red flags that would be visible to reasonably astute people?
00:13:26No, I'm telling you, this woman is very predatory.
00:13:28I spent nine months with her.
00:13:29No, no, sorry, not on her part.
00:13:30I mean, on the boss, on her husband's part.
00:13:34Um, he, I don't think so.
00:13:37Like, I, I think that the, because she, she is the way that she is, I think that he has
00:13:45the, I'm not 100% certain, no.
00:13:49It seems like he's super generous, very kind, like, you know, like, he's always like, I'm
00:13:54out here to help people, but really he's out there to help himself, right?
00:13:58So, and other people that I know, it took, it took them just as long as me to catch on
00:14:03to what's going on here.
00:14:04Um, and they're suffering consequences in the other sphere, uh, with their friend, with
00:14:10a different friend group because they've been busted.
00:14:13So now they're moving on to another friend group that I'm associated with, but they didn't
00:14:19know that when they started torturing me, they didn't know that that was, that was going
00:14:24to be the way the dominoes fell.
00:14:25And now they're trying to cover their tracks.
00:14:27Now, torturing you is a pretty strong phrase because you're still there by choice, right?
00:14:34Yes.
00:14:35I feel tortured, but you're right.
00:14:37I mean, uh, essentially I'm working on a degree, which I mean, it's a little bit
00:14:43late in life, but I have really nothing else to do.
00:14:46My kids are grown and so on and so forth.
00:14:48So, um, and I had a system worked out that was really copacetic and was hopefully going
00:14:55to take me to the end of my degree.
00:14:56And I discussed that with them and just said like, this is, uh, I only have to work three
00:15:00days a week.
00:15:01It fits perfectly with my schedule.
00:15:03You know, I'd like to keep this job until I, but she made it absolutely impossible.
00:15:08So now I'm moving on six months early.
00:15:11I have to learn a completely new job.
00:15:12I have to, I have to, I was fortunate enough to find three and a half days work with somebody
00:15:17who's going to take me straight through to my CPA license, a very, you know, uh, forward
00:15:22moving AI thinking young man that I'm a hundred percent, you know, uh, looking forward to.
00:15:27It's a way better situation.
00:15:29Right.
00:15:29Right.
00:15:30And sorry to remind me, are you married?
00:15:35No, I, yeah, I, I made some mistakes and definitely, um, I have come to terms with
00:15:45them and I've did a lot of, you know, Socrates know thyself type of stuff to try to figure
00:15:51out where I went wrong.
00:15:52Essentially, I adopted my mother's mating pattern.
00:15:54It all blew up in my face.
00:15:55I warning young women and my daughter is way on top of it.
00:15:59Learn like, no, we've all made mistakes.
00:16:02I mean, if you say I've made mistakes, welcome to club humanity called bald biped, uh, human
00:16:07humanoids.
00:16:07So yeah, we've all, we've all made those kinds of mistakes now over the course of your life.
00:16:14What is the longest period that you've been at peace without any significant stressors?
00:16:24Um, I, I really honestly couldn't say that there has, I think in the last two,
00:16:32in two years prior to this issue with my boss, before that, um, I had a significant amount
00:16:39of peace in my life, which was very hard one.
00:16:42And I'm looking forward to returning to that with this new job.
00:16:47Okay.
00:16:48So you've had, um, over the course of your life, two years of relative peace.
00:16:55Yeah, I was like my family, uh, extremely dysfunctional, three marriages, both mom, both dad, um, you
00:17:03know, all my brothers and sisters essentially have addictions or are, uh, I mean, I do have
00:17:10one, one sister way off in, you know, uh, financial success.
00:17:16Like she's at the, in the top, in the Pareto principle for our town.
00:17:21Um, and I was just at a meeting for independent supporters, sorry, I'm veering off.
00:17:26I'm digressing, but, uh, there's apparently a book called Farewell to Alms.
00:17:31I don't know if you've heard about it, but it talks about the bell curve and how like people
00:17:35in England essentially, uh, land on this bell curve.
00:17:39And she's in the tougher, in the, in the top side of the spectrum, same thing happened
00:17:45in my dad's generation.
00:17:46So.
00:17:47Yeah, it's very, it's a very tough thing and it's kind of counterintuitive, but the people
00:17:53who are amazingly productive in an economic sense, obviously they have a lot of wealth
00:17:58and economic clout and sometimes political clout if they get involved in politics.
00:18:03And the general cry is to tax them, right?
00:18:07To, to take away their money and give it to the poor.
00:18:10But the problem is that if you take money from the super productive and you give it to the
00:18:15less productive, wealth goes down and the poor are kind of doomed.
00:18:19Like the, the best way to help the poor is to allow the most productive people free reign
00:18:23to produce and create.
00:18:25And that will create a lot of jobs for the poor who were able to get jobs and for the
00:18:29poor
00:18:29who are unable to get jobs, it creates an excess of wealth that can be used in a charitable
00:18:34context.
00:18:35But of course, when you see a rich guy, you say, oh, I want that rich guy's stuff.
00:18:40He, and especially if you've got, you know, leftists in your ear whispering that he only
00:18:44has more stuff because he stole it from you and he stole from your fathers and right.
00:18:48So you just whip up this frenzy and the Pareto principle, it is dangerous to stand out.
00:18:54It is dangerous to stand out.
00:18:56And this is the, you know, it's the nail that sticks up, that gets hammered down.
00:19:00It's the, they're called the tall poppy syndrome.
00:19:02It's the tall poppy that gets cut because it's more visible.
00:19:05So standing out is dangerous.
00:19:07Standing out brings the enmity of the mob and the enmity of the mob, the jealousy and the
00:19:15anger of the mob is fueled and then gives fuel in return to the sophists who whip up the
00:19:21mob to take stuff from the rich guys and then keep a huge portion for themselves.
00:19:27Like 80% of the money we pay into the welfare state never gets to the poor.
00:19:30So it's all the bureaucrats who have a huge incentive to whip up resentment against the
00:19:34wealthy.
00:19:34So I just wanted to sort of point that out in passing.
00:19:38Now, how was, or how were those two years for you when you were at peace?
00:19:46Uh, they were instrumental to my mental health.
00:19:49Like they were able, I was able to clear out a lot of stuff and bond, uh, with my children,
00:19:55uh, in, you know, kind of review our mistakes, take accountability, come up with a plan moving
00:20:00forward.
00:20:01Um, you know, I, I woke up looking forward to the day, like things were, were really good.
00:20:06And I'm, like I said, like, um, I didn't really understand how deep seated and deep rooted my
00:20:15attraction was to finding these predatory personalities and how they kept working their
00:20:19way into my life.
00:20:20Like I, I couldn't spot them, uh, for, for a long time because I didn't really understand
00:20:26personalities.
00:20:27And when I would measure them against virtue, like how you teach people to do and, and that
00:20:32I picked up on, I chickened out.
00:20:35I, well, I wouldn't necessarily say, so, uh, just for those of you who don't know, and I'm
00:20:40obviously not speaking for you.
00:20:41And, and if, if I say things that go against your experience, please let me know.
00:20:45But if you grow up with volatile, intrusive, random, dangerous, chaotic, aggressive, violent,
00:20:54whatever, these personalities that are just kind of in your face, then you get into a kind
00:20:59of fight or flight mechanism that one of the challenges is that it kind of becomes permanent.
00:21:05In other words, it's like the world war one trenches, like human beings are designed to
00:21:08fight in a war or fight in a battle that should be over in a day or two or a
00:21:13minute or two,
00:21:14if it's hand to hand, not four years.
00:21:17And so our systems get attuned to this level of chaos and intrusiveness.
00:21:24And all we do is manage the sort of spiky balls that get thrown at us.
00:21:29And that's our job.
00:21:30And, and that's, and, and it is terrifying.
00:21:32It's alarming.
00:21:33It's upsetting, but it does also kind of exciting.
00:21:35It's, it's, it's dramatic.
00:21:38And one of the challenges of sort of trying to go through this process of trying to calm
00:21:43down and find some kind of peace is what is underneath or behind that addiction to external
00:21:52stimuli and by addiction, I mean, it's an inflicted addiction.
00:21:55In other words, it's not like somebody just decides to go and start doing cocaine.
00:22:00It's like somebody mixes in a drug in a coffee and then you end up addicted to it.
00:22:08And then the question is, what is behind or underneath that extreme stimuli?
00:22:19And I don't know if you had that process that when you diminish the external stimuli
00:22:28through these two years of peace, what was behind or underneath it?
00:22:32Because usually there's a lot of emotions in the absence of having to catch all these
00:22:35spiky balls and divert them from your eyeballs.
00:22:38Usually there's, well, I won't say what, but usually there's quite a bit of emotion behind
00:22:42that.
00:22:42And what happened with you when you stopped having to feel all these endless intrusions?
00:22:49Um, I went into a period of grieving.
00:22:52I grieved essentially that, um, I grieved all of my choices.
00:22:58I had to grieve all of the opportunities that looking back now I missed because I continued
00:23:04to associate with these people, um, and I found a way, a way of living with them and, and recognizing
00:23:11exactly what they cost me.
00:23:13And it was really very significant.
00:23:15So it's just essentially coming to terms with the fact that, you know, I'm an old woman now
00:23:21with a failed marriage and I did unnecessary damage to my children.
00:23:26And, you know, so it was just a period of grieving and like, fortunately I had a lot of mental
00:23:33health tools that kept me on track.
00:23:35I'm currently, uh, scheduled to graduate in June with an honors in business.
00:23:42And I think I was very fortunate because I did listen to you for almost 10 years.
00:23:46And so I essentially got a degree by proxy.
00:23:49So there isn't a topic or conversation that we come up against that I haven't already heard
00:23:53from you.
00:23:54So I have a free market perspective and that, um, that makes it a little bit difficult to
00:23:58have to kind of, um, critique my language in order to get the grades that I need, but it's
00:24:05survival, right?
00:24:06So, yeah.
00:24:07So for how many years were you stressed before the two years came along?
00:24:14About 43 years.
00:24:16Right, right, right, right.
00:24:21So you are a warrior, W-A, not W-O.
00:24:26You are a warrior who has engaged in over four decades of mostly involuntary combat.
00:24:33I mean, certainly as a kid, it wasn't voluntary.
00:24:35And the question is always interesting.
00:24:38So if you look at the war analogy, somebody who's been a soldier for over 40 years has a
00:24:44lot of experience yet, we also do need to let soldiers retire.
00:24:53Like you can't put, let's say you're 80, right?
00:24:55It's like, well, you have a lot of experience in war and it's like, yeah, but you're not
00:24:58going to put a weapon into an 80 year old's hands and send them out into battle.
00:25:03Right.
00:25:03So, and it's always an interesting question.
00:25:06Those of us who've suffered a lot know a lot about abuse, evil, and virtue, which means
00:25:12we can do a lot of good in the world.
00:25:15However, if we do good in the world, it's like our childhood never ends because, you
00:25:18know, we keep getting attacked by evildoers.
00:25:21And so that is one of the big, one of the big challenges.
00:25:27And if I sort of frame it this way, that you had more than 40 years of stress, most
00:25:32of which was involuntary or managing that which was involuntary, which itself is not
00:25:37chosen.
00:25:38At what point would you say you can retire from that battle?
00:25:48Directly after this conversation.
00:25:50I don't know.
00:25:50So I don't know.
00:25:51I don't know because some people enjoy it to some, but, but, and it sounds like to
00:25:55you and I have been in challenging work situations as well, like most of us have, if not all
00:26:00of us, but I mean, it's an interesting question.
00:26:03So of course you can see things, let's say that these two young men can't, you can see
00:26:07the problems coming, you can see the challenges and you can see the issues.
00:26:15And what do you do?
00:26:16Like if, if you're, if you've recovered from a gambling addiction, let's say you had a 30
00:26:21year gambling addiction and you can really help people who have gambling addictions.
00:26:30For how long do you have to stand in front of the casino playing catcher in the rye and
00:26:34turning people away?
00:26:35Because you can see people coming up, the fever look in their eyes, the gleam, the hunched
00:26:39shoulders, the, whatever it is, right?
00:26:40The, the smell of sweat and desperation coming off the attic that only you can smell as a
00:26:45former addict is your job for the rest of time to dodge the casinos, security guards
00:26:53and possible lawsuits for taking away their business by standing on the steps of the casino
00:26:57and turning away or trying to reason with the addicts.
00:27:01It's a fascinating question.
00:27:03There's no absolute answer.
00:27:05Certainly you should not be forced to do it.
00:27:07Neither should you be forcefully prevented from doing it.
00:27:10It becomes a cost benefit equation.
00:27:16And I don't know where you are in that particular tipping point.
00:27:21At some point you have to stop, right?
00:27:22I mean, even the best surgeons at some point have to stop being surgeons, right?
00:27:26So where do you stand in taking the skills that were inflicted upon you by bad parenting,
00:27:33bad family environments, and using them to benefit others, thus drawing blowback
00:27:39yourself and in a sense your childhood never ending, where do you stand in that process?
00:27:46Well, uh, in the introspection I'm having during this conversation, it has become apparent
00:27:53to me that I can have these skills and I will use them when it is necessary for the people
00:27:59that are closest to me.
00:28:01And you're right, it is a cost benefit.
00:28:02So I have, um, a couple of young women in my life that I'm sort of, um, we're, we're in
00:28:08a book club
00:28:09right now that I started for Atlas Shrugged.
00:28:11Um, and so I think I'm going to really shrink my circle and I'm going to use my wisdom when
00:28:19it's
00:28:19necessary for people that have earned it.
00:28:21Um, yeah, and I, it could just be a coincidence, of course, but it was 40 years, almost to the
00:28:31day that I stopped covering politics from when I started, right?
00:28:3415 to 55.
00:28:38And part of me was like, okay, the next generation has youth independence, energy, and all of that
00:28:45on their side.
00:28:47And when do you get to retire from war?
00:28:50It's always a very interesting question.
00:28:57And you always have to have the permission to walk away.
00:29:01Otherwise it's not virtuous.
00:29:03In other words, if you feel, well, I have to, I have no choice.
00:29:06I must.
00:29:07And you kind of bully yourself, which I'm not saying you're doing, but I mean, I know you're
00:29:11thinking like, what are my obligations?
00:29:13How much free will do I have in this situation?
00:29:15And I understand that.
00:29:16Of course, if your child is drowning in, in the lake, of course, well, I have the free
00:29:20will because you're going to go and move anything and do anything to, to save your child.
00:29:25And so where do our obligations lie to aid others with the skills that were brutally
00:29:31inflicted upon us by corruption and immorality?
00:29:36War retires you.
00:29:38Well, that's a great comment, but if you push the fight or flight too far and too long,
00:29:45I mean, I'm obviously no doctor, but I'm, I'm pretty sure there are health implications
00:29:49if you push the fight or flight too far and too long in terms of, you know, stress, cortisol,
00:29:54adrenal glands, burning out, loss of sleep, leading to other health issues and so on.
00:29:59And a lack of connectedness to those around you, because when you're in a fight or flight
00:30:03mechanism, it's like trying to have a relaxed conversation with someone with a tiger in
00:30:09the house.
00:30:09You can't have a relaxed conversation with someone with a tiger in the house.
00:30:13And it is a really tragic situation.
00:30:15And I'm sure some of you have experienced it, but for those of you who haven't, you've
00:30:20got really, really good skills.
00:30:21Like you're a battlefield medic, you're a battlefield medic, and you know, you can save
00:30:26lives by roaming around the battlefield and triaging people and binding wounds and whatever
00:30:30you do on the battlefield, or at least ease their pain with morphine.
00:30:37And if you've been doing it for decades, you're really, really, really good at it.
00:30:42And being really good at something that's important creates a sense of obligation, right?
00:30:47If not me, who?
00:30:47If not now, when?
00:30:49And if I don't do it in your mind's eye, as is the case with these two young men in
00:30:52your
00:30:53mind's eye on the battlefield, if you say, look, I, I, uh, I got to quit.
00:30:58I, I, then you see, of course, all of these bleeding men who are going to bleed out or die
00:31:04or lose limbs or whatever, because you're not, you know, doing your thing.
00:31:08And that's always a very interesting question.
00:31:12And there's no, again, there's no objective answer, but there is usually a tipping point
00:31:19where you say, I've done my duty.
00:31:25I've done my bit.
00:31:26I mean, we always hear, if you listen to sort of true crime podcasts, like there's always
00:31:29that case, you know, the, the detective, he retires, but he takes copies of the case files
00:31:36and he still works on it and he's still trying to fix it.
00:31:38And of course, everyone, let's say, who's a homicide detective, when he retires, let's
00:31:42say he's got 30 years experience or 40 years experience, he retires.
00:31:46He knows that there are cases that are going to go unsolved.
00:31:49There are murderers who are going to get away with killing because he's retired because the
00:31:55next generation doesn't have the same experience and expertise and they don't know how to cross
00:31:59examine and they don't know how to do chain of custody or preserve evidence at a scene
00:32:03as well and so on.
00:32:04Right.
00:32:04And so everybody who walks away from these kinds of virtuous battles knows that some of those
00:32:10battles are going to be lost because you walk away.
00:32:13And because we were raised to place other needs above our own, because we had to deal with
00:32:20crazy parents or corrupt parents, we were raised to put other people's needs above our own.
00:32:26And so what the world needs and what other people need kind of torments us in a way.
00:32:32And again, I don't want to speak for you, but I'm getting a sense of torment.
00:32:35That doesn't mean that there is one, but I'm getting that sense.
00:32:38And in our mind's eye, we say, okay, can I live with not helping people who are going to
00:32:43suffer if I don't help them?
00:32:46And in our mind's eye, it's really difficult because in a way it sort of feels like ignoring
00:32:53your parents' brutal needs as a child, which was very dangerous.
00:32:56But also there is just that knowledge of skill and ability and understanding and all the
00:33:04self-work that you've done.
00:33:05So if you've done a lot of self-work and it sounds like you have, but not just sounds like
00:33:09you've told me you have, then you have an understanding of cause and effect in relationships
00:33:12and you can really help people.
00:33:16But if you help people, you generally can't help both people, right?
00:33:20So if you were to, and I'm not suggesting you did, but if you were to say, well, let's
00:33:24not even make it your boss.
00:33:26Let's just say you have a friend who's married to a difficult woman and you try to enlighten
00:33:30him to this, then what's going to happen is you're probably going to get some blowback
00:33:34and you're destabilizing a system that's usually run by the most corrupt.
00:33:37And then they're going to sense that there's this intrusion and they're going to target
00:33:41you and then you end up in a fight.
00:33:42You can't really win that isn't inflicted upon you, but you choose.
00:33:46But at the same time, if you really help someone, then you can reduce the hold that corruption
00:33:51and evil has over them.
00:33:53And it is a very, very challenging situation.
00:33:57So I really, really appreciate the question.
00:33:59And I'll stop here after sort of laying out the complexity and sort of get your thoughts
00:34:03on what I'm saying.
00:34:06Um, I think you've solved the problem for me.
00:34:09Um, I do need to use discretionary, um, decision-making when it comes to the battles I'm willing to
00:34:15fight.
00:34:15And I don't have a responsibility to these young men, their families, their wives, and
00:34:19their friends do.
00:34:20And hopefully there's some wisdom there and I am leaving.
00:34:23And, um, so if that's not a clue to them, if they're, uh, you know, if they're not able
00:34:29to, to parse that, uh, I suppose, you know, uh, I guess it really isn't my responsibility.
00:34:39And, um, I'm not invested in these young men any more than just to say, like, they exist
00:34:45in society, they're, um, forward-moving, I respect them, and ideally would want the best
00:34:53for them.
00:34:55Sure, of course.
00:34:56I mean, that's the case, but the best for them is always quite complicated because sometimes
00:35:02if you prevent people from suffering, you actually retard their progress.
00:35:08And I'm not putting you in this category, but we can imagine, of course, that the son
00:35:12of the mayor in a small town, you know, the mayor bails him out.
00:35:16And if he gets caught drunk driving, the mayor makes a call to the chief of police and the
00:35:20kid doesn't get charged and, you know, gives him money.
00:35:22And, and, uh, when he doesn't have a job and, and so he's preventing suffering on the
00:35:27part of his son, but that prevention of suffering is going to virtually guarantee suffering, more
00:35:34suffering in the future.
00:35:35And it's a tough thing, particularly as we get older, you know, for the, for those of
00:35:38you who are youngins, when you get older, you view the young people around you as proxy
00:35:46children.
00:35:47There's no way really to avoid it because again, we evolved to these small tribes where
00:35:52they kind of were very important to you.
00:35:54Like some, your neighbor's kid in some small teepee structure, like really mattered to you
00:35:59because they might marry your kid and you're going to have to live with negative consequences
00:36:03if they're badly raised and like directly.
00:36:05And so young people around us trigger maternal and paternal instincts and whether people
00:36:14should have others prevent their suffering is again, one of the most complex questions
00:36:20in the world, because if it's too much suffering, then the person is wrecked.
00:36:26And if it's too little suffering, then the person doesn't get the natural feedback that
00:36:30they need in order to improve.
00:36:32Right?
00:36:32So it's like coaching, right?
00:36:34If somebody is doing something wrong in a sport, you need to tell them, because if
00:36:40you don't tell them, then they're just going to keep doing wrong things and it's not going
00:36:44to work out for them.
00:36:45But if you tell them too harshly, then they lose their motivation and, uh, and so on.
00:36:50Right?
00:36:52So how much do we allow negative consequences to teach people?
00:36:55Well, and again, as we're both parents, um, and so how much do you let negative consequences
00:37:02accrue to your children when, when they're very little, you can't, right?
00:37:04You can't say to your baby, well, you know, if you just decide to roll off that change
00:37:08table, I guess you'll learn.
00:37:09It's like, well, you, you can't do that because they can't really get cause and effect and
00:37:12so on.
00:37:13And over time, of course, you have to let more and more negative consequences accrue to
00:37:20your children as they grow.
00:37:22And, you know, one of the things that's a real challenge as a parent is, you know, you're
00:37:26devoted to, and you love your children beyond all reason to some degree.
00:37:31And that's not how the world views them though.
00:37:33The world views them as just some face in the crowd, right?
00:37:36Like you care about whether your kid's dreams are achieved, but the world as a whole doesn't
00:37:40care about whether your kid's dreams are achieved.
00:37:44And so trying to find a way to get them out of that sort of amniotic sack of parental regard
00:37:50out into a cold and indifferent world is a challenge.
00:37:53And so if these men were in their early twenties, this to me would be a different situation.
00:37:59By the time you're in your early thirties, you've had, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15 years
00:38:05of being an adult.
00:38:06And to some degree, you need to look out for yourself.
00:38:10And if you do end up in a negative or corrupt situation that produces some big negative effect,
00:38:16that could be the best education.
00:38:18Letting people learn from experience is one of the toughest things to do when you know
00:38:24better, but it is really important at times.
00:38:27Again, I can't judge it in this circumstance, but I would also put out to you that the need
00:38:33to do it because only you can do it and disaster will occur if you don't may not be true.
00:38:39Certainly there may be other people in their environment who can help them understand these
00:38:42dangers, but even if there aren't, it's not for certain that them experiencing really
00:38:49negative situations that come out of a blindness to corruption, it may not be that that's a
00:38:54bad thing for their life as a whole.
00:38:57When do you take the training wheels off as a whole, right?
00:39:02Right.
00:39:03And, um, yeah, I mean, essentially I really appreciate all of your teachings when it comes
00:39:09to, you know, like if you, if you haven't, if you don't have enemies, you haven't really
00:39:14done anything with your life.
00:39:16You've never stood for anything.
00:39:17And I, I aim at virtue, but, um, I think, well, first of all, I didn't have very sharpened
00:39:23tools, so I was extremely reckless and I don't think I really knew what I was doing for almost
00:39:27a decade.
00:39:28But, um, and the other issue that I have is that in respect to this situation with this
00:39:34woman, it's very similar to my childhood.
00:39:36So a lot of my stress is the fact that I am reliving that and I'm, I'm having to grieve
00:39:40it.
00:39:41I'm using some of Gaborma Tate's tools as far as just feeling the emotions and it's making
00:39:46it extremely difficult for me to study, for me to have a life outside of work.
00:39:50Like I'm, I use the, the, the term tortured because, and I realize it's melodramatic, but
00:39:57to some degree that is how it's feeling for me.
00:39:59Um, but at the same time, like, um, and, and the part that concerns me is that they have,
00:40:05they are using my credibility.
00:40:07It makes me feel culpable because these young men, I've seen them be standoffish.
00:40:13I've seen them, uh, step away from this situation.
00:40:16And then, uh, somehow, uh, my presence there has kept them in this environment.
00:40:26And that's why my boss is like, oh, you know, uh, trying to buy me gifts and trying to take
00:40:31me out to lunch and acting like we're best friends and telling these guys about, you know,
00:40:35about her relationship with me, framing it in such a way that is wildly inaccurate.
00:40:40And that credibility was earned because, um, I'm on Facebook and I'm essentially sharing
00:40:46your talking points and I'm like, I created a dad's page.
00:40:50Dads are really important and here's why, and give them a bunch of statistics about single
00:40:53fathers and push back against feminism and, you know, remind the wives of the men that
00:40:58I know that, you know, it's, it's really tough out here.
00:41:02You know what I mean?
00:41:02When you're 40 and you're in your forties trying to have a relationship, you're, you're
00:41:07dealing with, with all the picked over leftovers essentially, you know, and there are ways you
00:41:12could potentially make your marriage work and definitely, um, so yeah, that's essentially
00:41:22why I have any hesitation in this situation at all.
00:41:26Because originally my plan was just to distance myself, get away from it.
00:41:30When I recognized that even though I had that original plan of staying until I finished my
00:41:35degree, I wasn't going to graduate with honors.
00:41:37I was going to struggle to graduate at all.
00:41:40So that was the cost benefit.
00:41:42It was like what I'm getting for the convenience and the days and the fact that I already know
00:41:46the job and so on and so forth is being completely offset by the fact that I'm dealing with this.
00:41:51I'm having to use all of these tools that I have retired, um, to get into the office and
00:41:58out.
00:41:59So, well, and I, I feel the urgency and of course, I respect the conscientiousness of being
00:42:06concerned that you are complicit.
00:42:08I mean, you're not, I mean, you're not the boss.
00:42:11So let me ask you this.
00:42:13If you could approach these questions from a state of complete neutrality, in other words,
00:42:21it's, it's a blank canvas, it's a 360 degree motion option, what would you do?
00:42:30Because the concern that I have, I mean, with myself and with people who are dedicated to
00:42:37doing good is, is there free will involved or are we just giving ourself moral orders like
00:42:44virtue fascism?
00:42:46Well, you, this, you have to do this.
00:42:48You've got to help them.
00:42:49You, you are complicit.
00:42:50You, you have a responsibility, but boom, boom, boom, right?
00:42:55And I don't do virtue fascism.
00:42:58I don't do virtue fascism.
00:42:59If I want to do something and I can make a decent case for it, then I'll do it.
00:43:04If I don't want to do something, it's not just hedonism.
00:43:07I mean, obviously the basic moral rules apply.
00:43:12But when it comes to these kinds of ambiguous situations, are you giving yourself moral bullying
00:43:21orders?
00:43:23You have to, in other words, if you don't do it, I'm going to torment you with feeling bad.
00:43:30You know, if you find out that these young men, not that young, right?
00:43:34But if you find out these young men have had a negative experience, oh my God, you, you could
00:43:40have prevented this and, right?
00:43:41Is it a, is morality a form of self-control, self-bullying, and perhaps even self-abuse?
00:43:49It's a really difficult problem because we get good moral rules out of exposure to evil,
00:43:54but the exposure of evil is also exposure to bullying.
00:43:57And when that unites with the moral rules, we just end up in this permanent battle that
00:44:01order our, ordering ourselves what to do, not out of love of virtue, but out of fear of
00:44:05conscience, which to some degree is artificial because you are not the primary actor in these
00:44:12moral questions.
00:44:16Yes.
00:44:17Um, I think, uh, the cost benefit for me just isn't there.
00:44:24Like, I think I'm going to give myself the opportunity because maybe I was sort of bullying
00:44:29myself morally.
00:44:30Um, and I think, I think I'm just going to give myself a pass on this one and protect my
00:44:38peace.
00:44:39And, you know, I mean, there are other young men, like my daughter will eventually find
00:44:43a long-term partner and my son and, um, the men in the sphere of his influence, you know,
00:44:49where I will see the benefit because yeah, I really don't want to jump on this bomb again.
00:44:53Um, especially for people that are not in my circle.
00:44:57Like, I think it's, it's a bit too much.
00:45:01It's a bridge too far.
00:45:02And I appreciate that you have clarified the situation for me and the perspective is, is
00:45:09perfectly, you know, fit to the situation.
00:45:13Well, and let's just say for the sake of argument that if you continue down this stressful path
00:45:19of universal moral obligations to events you cannot control, and let's say it takes
00:45:24five years off your life for, for whatever reason, right?
00:45:27Well, that's five years less influence over your own grandchildren and your own children
00:45:32and your own friends and family.
00:45:35And to give up a half a decade with friends and family for the sake of trying to affect
00:45:42strangers who will not even know when you die does not seem to me like the ideal trait,
00:45:47if that makes sense.
00:45:49Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
00:45:51Yes.
00:45:51All right.
00:45:52Okay.
00:45:52Well, listen, um, is that, is that useful enough?
00:45:54I have another caller, but, and I've got some comments.
00:45:58Yes.
00:45:58Thank you very much.
00:45:59I appreciate it.
00:45:59And I hope you have a wonderful day.
00:46:01Always a pleasure to chat.
00:46:02And I really do appreciate you bringing up.
00:46:03Yeah.
00:46:04I really do appreciate you bringing up these issues.
00:46:06Very, very.
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00:46:12We have another caller.
00:46:17Yes, sir.
00:46:20Edgar.
00:46:22Currently calling in from King Lear.
00:46:26Are you with me, brother?
00:46:30All right.
00:46:31While we wait for Edgar to show up.
00:46:33Oh, yes.
00:46:33Go ahead.
00:46:34Yeah.
00:46:34Sorry.
00:46:35No, what's, what happens when I get connected is it goes offline for a brief period of time.
00:46:40So.
00:46:40Oh, no worries.
00:46:40I didn't actually hear anything.
00:46:42Uh, yeah.
00:46:43I'm in relation to previous caller.
00:46:45Um, I'm a, well, I was a foster carer for many years.
00:46:49Um, my family fostered for many, many years.
00:46:52Um, and the only thing that I can say is, the way that we looked at it was like it
00:46:57was conservation.
00:46:58You can only do what you can do with the time that you have and, uh, hope that, you know,
00:47:02you provide the, the right opportunities for people to make good decisions.
00:47:07That's, that's essentially the entire job.
00:47:10Um, and some of the kids did what, well, the lads that I looked after have gone on to
00:47:15have families of their own and, you know, they've kind of proven that it can work in
00:47:20the right circumstances.
00:47:21Uh, but not every case is, is that, is that way, but that's not what I actually.
00:47:25I, hang on, sorry, but just before you move on and I definitely want to give you time
00:47:28for your other comment, but you said to you were in foster care, that means that you were
00:47:33involved in running a foster care or being a mentor in the foster care environment.
00:47:37And just tell me a little bit more about what you, what you mean by that.
00:47:40My whole family fostered.
00:47:41We were a specialist, uh, therapeutic support unit for, uh, abused and neglected children
00:47:47in the care system.
00:47:48Any child that came to us had to have gone through multiple homes in order to get to us.
00:47:52It was, it was like a prerequisite.
00:47:54Wow.
00:47:54Wow.
00:47:55How did that come about in your family?
00:47:58Uh, well, my parents had always wanted to do it, but basically my brothers and sisters,
00:48:03uh, had gotten to a certain point in their own development where they were relatively,
00:48:08you know, uh, not self-sufficient, but stable emotionally.
00:48:12Uh, and they were doing okay in academia.
00:48:14So my parents decided to start fostering when I was about 17, 18.
00:48:20Um, yeah.
00:48:22And we just, we've had children ever since really.
00:48:26Wow.
00:48:27Um, yeah.
00:48:29And to me, to me, it's sort of similar.
00:48:31It's sorry to interrupt.
00:48:32It's sort of similar to the question of giving blood, right?
00:48:34Pete Townsend style.
00:48:35Like it's good to give blood, but not to the point where you have no blood.
00:48:40You've got to be able to replenish and so on.
00:48:42Sorry.
00:48:42Go ahead.
00:48:42That's exactly right.
00:48:44Yeah.
00:48:45And you had another issue that you wanted to bring in and I really appreciate you touching
00:48:49on the previous callers ideas and go ahead.
00:48:52I try, I try to, uh, to listen to as many people as I can and get as many, uh,
00:48:58different
00:48:58perspectives on, well, everyone else's life.
00:49:01It definitely helps when you're, uh, involved in, you know, trying to maintain other people's
00:49:06lives, uh, to see how other people cope.
00:49:09Um, cause you don't know everything.
00:49:12Um, but yeah, uh, the question, the conversation that I wanted to get into, which I'm really
00:49:21struggling with right now.
00:49:22Um, there was a conversation that took place in the UK the other day between, uh, an online,
00:49:29um, personality and, uh, a radio host.
00:49:34And the conversation essentially was regarding women's safe spaces, uh, you know, places
00:49:41to, to go and get changed, sports, et cetera.
00:49:43Now I'm entirely behind the idea that, you know, women should be, should have those opportunities
00:49:48to, uh, to do things on their own.
00:49:52It's safer in many respects, uh, particularly in sports, et cetera.
00:49:57However, the conversation turned to, uh, and I, I think I don't actually like the guy
00:50:03at all who's on the radio, but you know, I do respect his argument.
00:50:09The conversation turned to, um, so if I was getting changed next to you, would you have
00:50:16a problem with that?
00:50:17And the lady said, yes.
00:50:19And he said, why?
00:50:20And she said, you're a man, but then backtracked.
00:50:23And he was saying, so why?
00:50:25No, let's dig into that a little bit.
00:50:27Why do you think that just because I'm a man that I'm a threat?
00:50:30And she said, well, you know, there are, uh, 80,000 men in UK prisons, uh, for sexual
00:50:36assault.
00:50:37Uh, and that's more than the entire population of, of women.
00:50:41Um, which is inaccurate, but fair enough.
00:50:43Wow.
00:50:44Um, okay.
00:50:45I hate it when, when women do girl math and fulfill these stereotypes.
00:50:50Oh yeah.
00:50:50Go on.
00:50:50Oh yeah.
00:50:51They miss the parts where it's like, okay, let's talk about why men, uh, have a higher
00:50:56persecute, a prosecution rate, uh, why, you know, women get lesser sentences, why the
00:51:01vast majority of, uh, men in prison tend to come from fatherless homes and backgrounds
00:51:07where they don't get a masculine role model.
00:51:09But, you know, that's basically what my job was, was to identify what those gaps were and
00:51:13help boys to leap through them, you know?
00:51:16Uh, so I do get personally very involved in, in those arguments.
00:51:19Um, but my point was my, my position on it.
00:51:22I didn't say anything at the time, but I have made a post about it, um, which is if
00:51:29boys are born monsters and they have no recourse, what would persuade them to play any role
00:51:37in, uh, in bettering society?
00:51:40And I, and I say this as somebody who, you know, I look at Islam and, you know, women
00:51:43are having to be covered up, et cetera.
00:51:45Um, and one of those reasons is because in Islam, they genuinely believe that if a woman
00:51:51isn't covered up that a man either has a right or an obligation, whatever it is to, uh, let's
00:51:57just say it's a higher risk for sure.
00:51:59Yeah.
00:52:00Sure.
00:52:01Well, if that's true of Islam and we have that issue with Islam where we're saying, you
00:52:05know, well, they shouldn't be covered up.
00:52:07It's a horrible thing.
00:52:07And it's never looked at as if it's oppressive towards men and stating that men are some kind
00:52:14of, you know, predator.
00:52:15It's always assumed that it's some kind of oppression from men to women.
00:52:20Um, and I'm concerned, I'm very, very concerned that, uh, these young men, and we've just
00:52:27seen it with, you know, the America first boys who are basically born monsters and they
00:52:31have no way out.
00:52:33Now I can tell you.
00:52:34I don't know what you mean by the America first boys being born monstrous.
00:52:38That's by being born white males.
00:52:42So they're automatically, you know, demonized and, and, uh, uh, okay.
00:52:46Sorry.
00:52:46I got it.
00:52:47You understand the principle?
00:52:48Yeah.
00:52:48So, I mean, they're rapists by birth, just by being men, even though statistically speaking,
00:52:53you know, the likelihood of a man being an actual abuser is less than a percentage of
00:52:57the average, uh, uh, uh, the community, but you know, that's go by the wayside.
00:53:02All men are because this tiny percentage has made, uh, you know, a stereotype for men.
00:53:08Now, the problem with this is particularly in what I do and what my family has done is
00:53:14I have proven that boys who were neglected, abused, raped, um, and even those who go on,
00:53:23uh, uh, as children to rape other children can be reformed, can be, uh, uh, brought back from the
00:53:31brink.
00:53:31I've worked with those boys.
00:53:33Um, and I say, as I say, the problem is if they don't think that they can, if they believe
00:53:39they're monsters and there's no redemption, why would they bother?
00:53:43Why wouldn't they just sit playing video games and do whatever the hell they want?
00:53:48Well, of course, I wouldn't want to let the conversation go on without thanking you from
00:53:53the bottom of my heart and from society as a whole for all of the good that your family
00:53:58has done in the world by catching, catching in the rye, these men who are heading in a bad
00:54:03place.
00:54:04That's, that's the funny thing.
00:54:05Like most people will say, for example, Oh, I don't know how you do it.
00:54:08It's like, we don't know how you don't.
00:54:11Huh?
00:54:12Because it just seems like the most natural thing in the world to us, you know?
00:54:15Well, it's clearly not the most natural thing to other people and.
00:54:19Anyone, anyone who stands up, everyone who stands up for children gets attacked by abusers.
00:54:24I mean, that's been my experience.
00:54:25Yours is a little more personal.
00:54:27Plus I assume that the boys that you get or the young men and women, the boys and girls
00:54:31that you get come from horrendous homes where their original parents aren't going to have
00:54:35much credibility.
00:54:36But I just wanted to say thank you from the pot of my heart for all that you're doing.
00:54:40It's an invisible boon in the world that needs to have some, like the invisible guy, you get
00:54:46the baby powder or the talcum powder, and then you can see him.
00:54:49So I just wanted to say thank you for all that your family's done.
00:54:52And I'm sure that you get great rewards out of it.
00:54:54But I just wanted to say thank you for, you know, I have a daughter who roams around in
00:54:58society.
00:54:59And the fact that you guys are saving boys and young men is of great value to me.
00:55:04And I really, really, really, really appreciate it.
00:55:05Well, that's how I look at it.
00:55:06I'm a father.
00:55:07I've got a daughter.
00:55:08You know, if not me, then who is the argument, you know, in principle.
00:55:13Okay.
00:55:13Sorry.
00:55:14No.
00:55:14And so it's a great, so the question was, if a man is changing next to a woman in a
00:55:19changing
00:55:19room, the woman feels unsafe, right?
00:55:22Mm-hmm.
00:55:23Okay.
00:55:23So remember, our emotions and our instincts are not run by ideology, although they could
00:55:30be hijacked by ideology.
00:55:32And they're not run merely by our environment.
00:55:37They are run by deep evolutionary instincts that have evolved for tens or hundreds of millions
00:55:44of years.
00:55:45And in human beings, a million years or whatever, or seven or nine million since we hived off
00:55:51from the chimpanzees.
00:55:56So why would women evolve to be cautious about nakedness in front of strange men?
00:56:13Sorry, I can't hear you.
00:56:15Is my thing gone out?
00:56:17Yes, I know I'm working because I can see the levels going here.
00:56:19Testing, one, two, three.
00:56:20Now I can hear you.
00:56:21Okay.
00:56:22Why would women have evolved?
00:56:23Let's talk about a million years of evolution.
00:56:25Why would women have evolved with nervousness around nakedness in front of men they didn't
00:56:30know?
00:56:34Is this a question?
00:56:35Yeah.
00:56:35Or rhetorical?
00:56:36No, it's for you.
00:56:38Oh, well, that's very simple because, well, you know, we were all run by hormones and
00:56:46it may, I mean, even going back to chimpanzees and, you know, we see in various other species,
00:56:52there's always some kind of dominant male who keeps the other males away because there's
00:56:57always the opportunity for them to involve themselves, should we say?
00:57:01Right.
00:57:02So human females, as you know, hide ovulation for a complex variety of evolutionary reasons.
00:57:08And so if a chimpanzee female is in heat, it's very obvious.
00:57:12I think the butt turns red or I don't know, there's something.
00:57:15But human females hide ovulation.
00:57:19And so how do we know that a human female is sexually available?
00:57:25Usually it's due to nakedness or nudity.
00:57:29In other words, a woman is going to take clothes off if she wants to have sex.
00:57:33And so some men, of course, will interpret that in general.
00:57:36And again, I'm not talking about within the family or anything like that.
00:57:39And so for a woman to cover up and to hide her sexual characteristics, you know, vagina,
00:57:48boobs, butt in general, is a way of not signaling sexual availability.
00:57:56And of course, as you know, men are highly visual creatures.
00:58:01And so when a man sees a naked female, then again, his lizard brain, we're not talking
00:58:09about morals.
00:58:09We're not talking about like what is right or good and better.
00:58:12We're just talking about evolution because we came from an amoral situation.
00:58:16So a man is very visual.
00:58:18And why have men evolved to be visual?
00:58:21Well, because women who show sexual characteristics in the flesh in front of them are often signaling
00:58:29sexual availability.
00:58:31And that's why women will undress in front of their husbands and maybe even shake their
00:58:35butt a little and have a good time that way.
00:58:37But they won't do it with strangers because men have evolved so that if there is a naked
00:58:43woman in the vicinity, part of his lizard brain thinks of that as sexual availability.
00:58:49And because of that, women don't uncover with strange men.
00:58:53And because of that, anytime a woman uncovers the man's lizard brain thinks she might be sexually
00:58:58available, so it raises her risk.
00:59:01So the feelings are not politically correct, the instincts and so on.
00:59:05I mean, again, I talked about this the other night, but I'll just touch on it briefly here.
00:59:10I remember very clearly not really caring about girls.
00:59:13And then you wake up one day and you're just crazy about girls.
00:59:17You go crazy.
00:59:18And that's just hormones.
00:59:20That's just the big sluice of copy paste goes on and so on.
00:59:24My balls fell or something like that.
00:59:26And what changed?
00:59:27Was it the environment changed?
00:59:29Like there were no girls.
00:59:30Now there are girls.
00:59:31It's like, no, there were always girls around.
00:59:32But my entire attitude towards them changed.
00:59:34That's not ideology.
00:59:36That is not environment.
00:59:38That is biology.
00:59:39And the first place we need to look for these kinds of instincts is biology.
00:59:45Now, of course, there are countless men who can say, well, look, I can see a naked female
00:59:49and I'm not going to jump her bones and I'm not going to whatever, whatever, right?
00:59:52But it's not just about that.
00:59:54It's not just about that.
00:59:55It's about you might become obsessed with her.
00:59:57You might think that you have a chance and pursue her.
00:59:59You might, whatever, you might say to your friends, oh, this girl was naked and she was
01:00:06this and that and the other.
01:00:07And then maybe they get a little obsessed.
01:00:08Like there's just a risk involved that we can all understand from evolution.
01:00:12And for men to take that personally, to me, doesn't make quite as much sense because
01:00:19taking nature personally is kind of the, hang on, hang on.
01:00:22Taking nature personally is kind of the essence of feminism in many ways.
01:00:26So, sorry, go ahead.
01:00:28Well, I think you're missing what I'm actually saying.
01:00:32I'll give you another example.
01:00:33So, I had an online conversation with some people on Facebook many, many years ago now.
01:00:42And the conversation turned to women running at night and how they felt unsafe.
01:00:48And the predominant position was that if a man comes across a woman when they're running
01:00:54at night, then in order to alleviate her fears, he should cross the road.
01:00:58And I was asked if I would cross the road.
01:01:00I said, absolutely not.
01:01:04To which obviously I was, not obviously, but I was heckled and vilified, demonized even.
01:01:11And a proper argument broke out.
01:01:14And this is my local area.
01:01:15So, these people know each other and they know me.
01:01:17Well, they don't know me very well, but they know my partner.
01:01:22And this conversation went really dark.
01:01:26They started calling me a rapist and it spread around my town.
01:01:31So, then I was hearing it from other people that I was a rapist.
01:01:34At which point, I then had to prove with receipts from this conversation that it was a theoretical
01:01:40conversation where I was suggesting the safest thing that I could do as a man is do nothing.
01:01:46Walk past and, you know, not provide them with any reason to fear me.
01:01:52I understand the principle behind it.
01:01:54But the issue that I have with this is if men are automatically assumed to be monsters,
01:02:01what the hell?
01:02:02How do we even get past that?
01:02:04And as I say, I've experienced it personally.
01:02:07Well, I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted what you're saying.
01:02:11I don't think, I mean, there are a few women who say all men have these predilections, but
01:02:16that's obviously a tiny extreme minority.
01:02:18I don't think that women are saying that all men are predators.
01:02:25What they're saying is that it's a risk that I would rather see diminished.
01:02:33So, for instance, let me ask you this question.
01:02:35So, let's say you're walking down the street and let's say you see three young men, whatever
01:02:41race it is, right?
01:02:42And they're dressed as thugs.
01:02:45And they're kind of slouching along and they look sort of sinister and dangerous.
01:02:52Would you cross the street or perhaps dart into a store until they had passed?
01:03:01Well, my background tells me that I would be fine, if that makes sense, because I work
01:03:08with those kids.
01:03:09So, I would say...
01:03:10Yes, but these aren't kids you work with.
01:03:12These are kids just...
01:03:13One second.
01:03:13These aren't kids you work with, though.
01:03:15These are just kids down the street.
01:03:18No, I understand that.
01:03:19What I'm saying is, because my area is so small, the likelihood is that we will know each other.
01:03:24Okay, so, come on, man, don't make me work this hard.
01:03:27Let's just say you're in another city.
01:03:29Come on, man.
01:03:30Don't make me work this hard, right?
01:03:31Because if there's a woman jogging and there's some friend of hers from down the street who's
01:03:36a man, she's not going to worry about him, right?
01:03:38So, give me...
01:03:39We've got to have a parallel situation here.
01:03:41You can't say, well, the woman is dealing with a stranger, but I'm dealing with kids I've
01:03:44already worked with.
01:03:45So, let's say you're in another town.
01:03:46You're walking down the street and three, I mean, look-looking guys come your way at
01:03:51two o'clock in the morning and there's a store right there that's open 24 hours.
01:03:55Might you go into the store until the young men pass by?
01:04:01Again, me personally, no.
01:04:04But I do know why other people would.
01:04:06I understand the principle behind it, but it's not something that I...
01:04:10I'm a large guy.
01:04:11I can handle myself.
01:04:12I've been violent various other times.
01:04:15Sometimes people have pulled knives on me.
01:04:16So, I have a background where I do understand those things.
01:04:19No, but why would you want to even be in that situation at all?
01:04:22Who cares if you can handle it?
01:04:25Exactly.
01:04:25That's what my partner just said.
01:04:27Sometimes being afraid is actually, you know, or turning around or, yeah, crossing the road
01:04:32is showing that you are a victim and so, therefore, you will be targeted.
01:04:35Well, no, not if you go into a store and wait for them to pass, right?
01:04:39Well, yeah, possibly.
01:04:40I mean, I understand the principle.
01:04:41I'm simply saying that how do we get over that?
01:04:46Okay, hang on.
01:04:47Let's try it a different way.
01:04:49So, let's say you're out walking in the middle of nowhere and a giant dog starts barking and
01:04:55running towards you.
01:04:59Okay.
01:04:59Would you feel uneasy?
01:05:02Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess I would, yeah.
01:05:04Now, the dog might just be very friendly.
01:05:06It may be barking in joy, whatever, who knows, right?
01:05:09But there's a risk there.
01:05:11You don't know if the dog is friendly or not.
01:05:14But do you understand what I'm trying to, basically, it's the bear and the man argument.
01:05:21No, it's not the bear and the man argument.
01:05:22So, you're saying not all women, but there was such a massive percentage of women who would
01:05:27choose a bear over a man.
01:05:29And I'm telling you that-
01:05:30No, they wouldn't.
01:05:31Come on, man.
01:05:32Listen, you're not a young man, right?
01:05:35They weren't.
01:05:36Were they or were they not saying that?
01:05:37Okay, hang on, hang on.
01:05:39Listen, you're not a young man, right?
01:05:42So, you've been around females for quite some time.
01:05:46Now, do women process, and on the average, right, tons of exceptions, do women tend to
01:05:53process truth or social acceptability?
01:05:58Yeah.
01:06:01Yeah, well, what's socially acceptable?
01:06:04Absolutely.
01:06:04Right.
01:06:05So, if a woman perceives that she's going to get positive social feedback, usually from
01:06:09females, by choosing the bear, she's going to choose the bear, right?
01:06:16She's going to say that.
01:06:17But it's not like a real thing.
01:06:21Well, I mean, this is the problem.
01:06:23I mean, I don't know, because, you know, we have far too many single mothers to say that
01:06:27they're not doing that.
01:06:27Hang on, I'm sorry to be interrupted.
01:06:28They are choosing the bear, man.
01:06:30No, they're not.
01:06:32They are choosing the bear.
01:06:33Right.
01:06:34Let's put two bears in the woods.
01:06:37No, no, seriously.
01:06:37Hang on.
01:06:38Let me finish here.
01:06:39Right.
01:06:39So, we put two bears in the woods, right?
01:06:42One of them is a giant grizzly foaming at the mouth at one side of the field, and on the
01:06:47other side is Bear Grylls, right?
01:06:51You know who that is?
01:06:53Of course I do.
01:06:53Yeah, yeah.
01:06:54Okay.
01:06:54So, Bear Grylls, he's a naturalist and a charismatic guy and a wise guy and a funny guy and all
01:07:00of that, right?
01:07:01So, there's a giant bear, grizzly bear foaming at the mouth, and then there's Bear Grylls
01:07:08on the other side, and maybe he's got a weapon or something like that.
01:07:12Which way is the woman going to run?
01:07:13In reality.
01:07:15Oh, that's the thing, though.
01:07:17In reality, they're going to run towards the man because they're not bloody stupid.
01:07:20Right.
01:07:21But we do have a serious problem with women choosing the wrong men.
01:07:28They are choosing the bear.
01:07:32Okay.
01:07:32But you've got to stop dancing all over the topics here, right?
01:07:35Like, we're talking about the man versus bear, and now you're saying, well, what about the
01:07:39bad men or men who have beards?
01:07:41I think it's all interconnected because it's the same argument.
01:07:45It's if men are demonized, then where's their redemption?
01:07:49Okay.
01:07:50Other men?
01:07:51I think you keep looking at this as if people are making moral choices in a vacuum.
01:07:57So, why is there a tendency among modern women to criticize and attack, and let's not pretend
01:08:05this is neutral, white males?
01:08:09Yeah.
01:08:09Okay.
01:08:10So, why is it that modern women have a tendency to attack white males?
01:08:16It's socially acceptable.
01:08:18Well, sure.
01:08:18But how did it become socially acceptable?
01:08:20And usually, there's some underlying motive.
01:08:23Gynocentrism, academia, postmodernism.
01:08:26Yeah, but why?
01:08:27If you were to try and get that movement to have them attack black men, it wouldn't take,
01:08:31right?
01:08:31So, there has to be some underlying motive that makes the propaganda, okay, you've got
01:08:36to stop talking when I'm in the middle of talking.
01:08:37Man, it's really annoying.
01:08:39Okay.
01:08:39Sorry.
01:08:39Just let me finish because I've got to finish my thought without you talking in my ear.
01:08:42Well, I'm trying to get to the answer that you want so that we can move on.
01:08:46Okay, but I have to talk not just to you, but to the audience and frame the conversation
01:08:50in a way that makes sense for the audience as well.
01:08:52This is not just you and me in a private talk, right?
01:08:56Okay.
01:08:57Okay.
01:08:57So, there has to be some underlying motive that makes the propaganda work, because if
01:09:02you try to counter-propaganda, it doesn't work.
01:09:05So, what is the underlying motive as to why modern women are hostile often towards white
01:09:10males?
01:09:13Fear?
01:09:15Well, no, because statistically, white males are some of the least fearful men on the planet,
01:09:20right?
01:09:21So, they don't have the same fear towards other groups of men who are statistically much more
01:09:25dangerous.
01:09:26So, it's not fear.
01:09:28Well, that would be what I would say, is that fear has been orchestrated against white males.
01:09:35Why?
01:09:37Because they want to replace us.
01:09:40Well, okay.
01:09:41So, I think there's two things.
01:09:42One is that white males are small government, free market, free speech people, which goes
01:09:46against totalitarian instincts, particularly of the left.
01:09:49But a more fundamental reason, I think, is that white males are, in most Western countries,
01:09:57the backbone of the taxpaying economy.
01:09:59And females tend to take from the taxpaying economy.
01:10:03In other words, men will pay vastly more into the tax system than they receive in benefits,
01:10:07and women receive vastly more out of the tax system than they pay in benefits.
01:10:13It's a massive transfer, often hundreds of thousands, sometimes even a million dollars
01:10:17from men as a whole.
01:10:18Okay.
01:10:19What did we just talk about?
01:10:21Go on.
01:10:22Okay.
01:10:22Cool you jets, man.
01:10:23Let me finish my thoughts so we can't have the conversation.
01:10:26All right?
01:10:26Go ahead.
01:10:27So, it is a massive transfer of money from men to women.
01:10:32Now, is it human nature to dehumanize whoever you're exploiting?
01:10:40Yeah, obviously.
01:10:41Right.
01:10:42So, because women as a whole are exploiting males in general, and East Asian males for sure,
01:10:48white males, but the vast bulk of the taxes are coming from white males.
01:10:54So, if you want to exploit people, or if you are exploiting people, it is very easy to be
01:10:59trained into dehumanizing them, right?
01:11:01So, you would look at, if you have slaves that you own, you're going to be easily exploited,
01:11:07sorry, you're going to be easily propagandized into thinking that they're less than human,
01:11:11right?
01:11:12So, whoever you want to attack, whoever you want to exploit, you dehumanize, you make less
01:11:15than human, and I think that's got a lot to do with it.
01:11:18Okay, that's it.
01:11:19Go ahead.
01:11:19Okay.
01:11:23So, in what way, I agree.
01:11:25My principle is then, what do we do?
01:11:28Because, you know, as I say, what we're seeing in America, and we're now seeing it in the
01:11:33UK, is young, white, straight, Christian males are just saying, we're not doing this anymore.
01:11:41Sure.
01:11:42And they will tank the entire economy, and the entire political system, if they don't start
01:11:49being heard.
01:11:53Well, then what?
01:11:54We collapse?
01:11:55We become Islamic?
01:11:56Well, I don't know about that, but if people who are being pillaged and exploited don't
01:12:06get their needs met and aren't heard, and infoundationally, if it becomes impossible for young men to get
01:12:15married, have families, raise children, then they will tear the system out by the roots.
01:12:20Of course.
01:12:20I mean, that's one of the reasons why the best way to foment a revolution is to prevent young
01:12:26men from having families, which is very effectively happening.
01:12:29And so, when young men can't have families, their genes say, well, we've got nothing to lose.
01:12:34Like, we're a genetic dead end, so we might as well change something.
01:12:38And so, either then you become a slave to your enemies, or you work to change the system.
01:12:44So, I mean, in terms of, like, can you and I force people to listen to alienated young
01:12:50men?
01:12:50I don't think so.
01:12:51I think we can point out that it is an unjust system, that it is a coercive system, and it
01:12:57does exploit men as a whole, and I would say white men in particular, again, just because
01:13:04of the tax base.
01:13:05And so, we can point that stuff out in the same way, like, when they were talking about
01:13:09ending slavery, they couldn't go and rip up every slave contract and free every slave
01:13:14by hand.
01:13:15They could just continue to make the case about the immorality of the system until, hopefully,
01:13:19people began to change.
01:13:24Is this something that men are going to have to do despite women, or is this something
01:13:33we have to have women's support in doing?
01:13:36Because, I mean, this is where I am.
01:13:37I am politically in that space right now where I'm seeing all of the things you're talking
01:13:44about happening in real time, and whenever I go to the people who have the ability to
01:13:50make some kind of decisions and release that information, they don't want to do it.
01:13:55They're terrified to do it.
01:13:57Sure.
01:13:57Sure.
01:13:58Well, my general philosophy is that men and women have evolved as complementary, which means
01:14:05there's a division of labor and a specialization between the sexes.
01:14:10Men are good at some stuff that women aren't good at.
01:14:13Women are great at some stuff that men aren't good at.
01:14:15And the problem is we kind of lean to each other like a teepee, right?
01:14:20And when you start building a teepee, you have to get those two sticks, these two big
01:14:23sticks to lean together.
01:14:25And if you take one of them away, the other one falls down.
01:14:28And so men should combine with women to produce wisdom, and women should combine with men to
01:14:34produce wisdom.
01:14:35It's like saying everyone in the company has to be an accountant.
01:14:39Well, no, not everyone can be an accountant because nobody's running or selling or cleaning
01:14:44or running computers or anything like that, right?
01:14:47So you have to have a division of labor and the most successful division of labor in all
01:14:52of evolution and in all of nature and in the entire universe that we know of, the most successful
01:14:56division of labor is male and female.
01:14:59Now, women have a tendency to prefer security over risk, which means government over husbands,
01:15:06because husbands come with risk.
01:15:08They could leave you.
01:15:08They could become drunks.
01:15:09They could lose their job.
01:15:10They could go crazy.
01:15:12They could whatever and become schizophrenic.
01:15:14And so the government's going to give you a metronome regular paycheck, which you don't
01:15:18have to do anything for.
01:15:19Husbands also come with reciprocal obligations.
01:15:21In other words, husbands will, in the traditional sense, pay the bills and protect you.
01:15:26They'll provide and protect, but you've got to run the household and raise children.
01:15:29Whereas with the government, you get huge amounts of money, either directly through welfare or
01:15:34alimony that's enforced by the government or indirectly through inflated wages and government
01:15:39jobs and all of this and loans that go out to women that are virtually never going to
01:15:44be paid back for school and things like that.
01:15:46So women have decided to, in many ways, and not all women, of course, have decided to become
01:15:52sort of concubines of the state without actually having any of the reciprocal obligations
01:15:57of being concubines.
01:15:59And so they have lost male wisdom.
01:16:01And when they lose male wisdom, they turn to other women who tend to often, often, not
01:16:06always, who tend to often reinforce negative instincts in women.
01:16:11You know, the old single women keep women single argument.
01:16:14Yeah.
01:16:14And so as long as the money is flowing from the government to the women, the women don't
01:16:19have to respect the men.
01:16:20They don't have to listen to the men.
01:16:22And men do the same thing to some degree with things like pornography and other things where
01:16:27they find substitutes for females so that we don't have to balance.
01:16:31Like I was thinking with the first caller that it's not uncommon in realms of high achievement
01:16:39for the dominant male to have a manipulative female.
01:16:44And what I mean by that, the dominant male is hyper-masculine and the woman's desire to
01:16:50sort of keep the peace and manipulate and so on, which can be very helpful in a family
01:16:53context, with excessive femininity becomes this kind of manipulation and control and sometimes
01:16:58bullying.
01:16:58And so it's not rare for the leader of an organization to have a highly manipulative and sometimes toxic
01:17:07wife because his excessive masculinity is balanced by her, quote, excessive femininity.
01:17:12So as far as how do we change it?
01:17:16Well, we have to keep pointing out the injustice.
01:17:18And it seems to me highly unlikely, if not downright impossible, that the system is going
01:17:24to change before a crash because systems generally don't change before a crash.
01:17:27However, we've never had the internet to share ideas before.
01:17:30So it may be that something can come out of that.
01:17:34But yeah, if you corner men by taking away their opportunities to reproduce by the state
01:17:42capturing the women and all of this propaganda and women unconsciously, I'm not saying it's
01:17:46a conscious thing, exploiting men through the power of the state.
01:17:48Yeah, you end up with a very volatile situation.
01:17:51I think we can just simply point out that it's morally wrong.
01:17:53So either it can be changed or if it does crash, at least people will know why.
01:18:02Yeah, it just, it's my biggest concern, right?
01:18:06I have a daughter and she's getting into that sort of period where she'll start dating.
01:18:14And yeah, it worries me a lot that she's not going to have the same sort of lifestyle and
01:18:23opportunities that I've had.
01:18:26Yeah, well, we were, other than the boomers, we were the luckiest generation, like in the
01:18:31entire history of the planet, like history of the universe, 14.8 billion years, history
01:18:36of life, 4 billion years, we happen to pull the second winning lottery ticket.
01:18:41And the odds that society continues its upward trajectory when we are increasingly addicted
01:18:47to political force is zero.
01:18:49And so again, we can just keep pointing out the immorality of this kind of stuff.
01:18:53And really, that's the best we can do.
01:18:55I mean, I'm not a, um, to the streets kind of guy.
01:19:00I mean, I did take facefuls of tear gas when protesting against the communists in Hong Kong,
01:19:06but I'm not generally a street guy.
01:19:08And I'm not even saying I recommend it.
01:19:10I'm just saying that my particular role is to point out the ethics of the situation.
01:19:16Because, as you know, most rebellions don't work.
01:19:21Most rebellions, you end up with a worse situation than you did before.
01:19:26I mean, French Revolution, Russian Revolution, um, we can think of, I mean, America's kind
01:19:30of an exception, but there were very specific circumstances that gave rise to that, uh, the
01:19:35revolutions in Cambodia, in Cuba, in North Korea, uh, in North Vietnam.
01:19:40I mean, they're all just terrible, terrible stuff.
01:19:43And so all we can do, at least I'm going to say all I can do or all I'm going
01:19:47to do is
01:19:48continue to point out the ethics and virtues and evils of the situation.
01:19:52All I can do is point out that smoking is bad.
01:19:56I cannot run around smacking cigarettes out of everyone's mouths.
01:20:00No, no, I wouldn't do that either.
01:20:03I would be more of the, uh, carrot as opposed to the stick.
01:20:07In this particular instance, I'm, I'm considering how you could, um, restrict or reduce welfare
01:20:14in such a way that, um, it benefits families.
01:20:19But again, you need power for that.
01:20:24Well, welfare, if you try to restrict it, there will be huge amounts of violence.
01:20:30And I don't know that society is, is ready for that or, or can process that.
01:20:35And I don't like the violence.
01:20:36I don't want the violence.
01:20:37It just is the way that it is.
01:20:39And so in general, it's going to have to just go to collapse.
01:20:43I mean, awesome.
01:20:46Yeah.
01:20:46I mean, it's terrible.
01:20:47I mean, but I mean, I, I've been working in this field of trying to reason with people
01:20:51about virtue, property rights, and the non-aggression principle for at this point, 45 years.
01:20:57And look, I mean, I've made more progress than just about anybody else in my field.
01:21:02Got a billion views and downloads, lots of starlight in an otherwise black sky or a mostly
01:21:08black sky.
01:21:08So I've done pretty well.
01:21:10I've done, I think about as well as I possibly could.
01:21:13And after that, it's up to the world.
01:21:16After that, it's up to the world.
01:21:17The good thing about telling the truth to society is if, and when society goes to part,
01:21:24you can walk away without looking back.
01:21:26You can be like those, those cool shots, the guy in shades, something's on fire behind him.
01:21:29He's just walking, walking away.
01:21:31So I have, you know, burnt my reputation to the ground.
01:21:36I've sacrificed.
01:21:37I can't even tell you how much at some point I'll get into details, perhaps on my deathbed.
01:21:41But I have worked to get the truth and reason and virtue out to the world.
01:21:48If the world chooses not to listen, then my conscience is clear and I can not look back,
01:21:56if that makes sense.
01:21:58Have you been approached by any of the, um, political parties, particularly in like the UK
01:22:03or even what's going on with America first, um, to sort of discuss these ideas?
01:22:09No, no, I wouldn't.
01:22:12I mean, anybody who's got good political, political instincts would stay away from me,
01:22:15uh, as radioactive.
01:22:18So I, I get all of that.
01:22:19So no, no, I've had no, no influence or effect or approach or anything like that from anybody
01:22:24in those circles.
01:22:26I'm sorry.
01:22:27I think they're wrong, Stefan.
01:22:29I will be trying to get you to come and do some discussions at some point.
01:22:33Uh, well, I appreciate that.
01:22:35I, I don't think that the politicians are wrong in that they're politicians and very good at
01:22:39their job.
01:22:40So it could be, it could be right.
01:22:41It could be wrong, but I, I generally defer to people who are very successful, at least in
01:22:45those areas of success.
01:22:47All right.
01:22:47Is there anything else you wanted to mention?
01:22:48Really do appreciate the conversation.
01:22:50And again, thank you for everything your family has done.
01:22:54No, I mean, as I say, I think this is an ongoing conversation that needs to be had far beyond
01:22:59where we're speaking about it.
01:23:01All right.
01:23:01Um, but no, thank you for your time.
01:23:04My pleasure, man.
01:23:05All the best and stay safe in the.
01:23:07Take care, my man.
01:23:08Yeah.
01:23:08Stay safe in the UK, man.
01:23:10It's a, it's a legally challenging place at the moment.
01:23:13All right.
01:23:13Let me just spend a minute or two, get into your fine comments and let's see here.
01:23:21Hey, Steph.
01:23:23Great to see you here.
01:23:24Thank you very much.
01:23:24I appreciate that.
01:23:25Everyone in the stream, give everyone in the chat, give the stream a like.
01:23:28I appreciate that.
01:23:31And let's see here.
01:23:34You can't save everyone.
01:23:36The question is why she's, oh, this is the first call.
01:23:38Why is she still so focused on saving others?
01:23:40Maybe they don't need a one saving.
01:23:42Maybe they need to learn for themselves.
01:23:43That's an excellent point.
01:23:44I'm going to pretend it's mine.
01:23:46Quite right.
01:23:48All right.
01:23:49Um, yeah.
01:23:51You really do have to manage stress as a whole.
01:23:54And let me just get to your last comments.
01:23:57I don't want to go all the way back to the first.
01:23:58Yeah.
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01:24:02Somebody says, dear Stefanator, just wanted to wish you all the best.
01:24:05Thank you for all that you do.
01:24:06Quick question.
01:24:07Which sting album is your favorite?
01:24:09And why is it the soul cages?
01:24:10Lots of love from a longtime subscriber.
01:24:12I donate to rarely, but quite generously when I do.
01:24:14Well, thank you very much.
01:24:15And I will tell you, I'm pretty sure I've been asked that exact same question before.
01:24:20And the soul cages is a great album.
01:24:23It's funny.
01:24:23One of the wild, wild sea is a song I didn't like when I first heard it.
01:24:26But then I read a review of it that pointed out how well it was recreating the sounds of
01:24:30the ocean.
01:24:30Listen back to it again and began to really, really like it.
01:24:35What are your thoughts on the one world government, new world order being implemented in the days
01:24:39to come?
01:24:40I believe it relates to the 2030 plan.
01:24:42Sure.
01:24:43Yeah.
01:24:43I mean, there's no question that the politicians want to stay as far away from those they govern
01:24:48as possible, right?
01:24:49Because the local mayor has to really respond and live in the community.
01:24:52But the mayor who's like, or the governor who's like 500 miles away doesn't have to
01:24:57deal with the people he's ruling, usually in any particularly direct way.
01:25:01So yeah, politicians as a whole want to stay as far away from those they rule as possible
01:25:05so that they don't get ostracism or other kinds of blowback.
01:25:09And so, yeah, definitely that's an urge.
01:25:11And of course, power is an addiction that doesn't have a top, right?
01:25:16There is no top.
01:25:18You know, when you eat and you get full and you stop eating, you drink, you get thirsty,
01:25:23you're tired, you rest, you wake up rested.
01:25:25That's not how addiction.
01:25:26Addiction is just escalation to destruction.
01:25:30Addiction and power is really one of the worst addictions around.
01:25:36Damien says, hi, Steph.
01:25:37Hope you're well, mate.
01:25:38I am.
01:25:38Thank you very much.
01:25:39Greatest show on the internet for 20 plus years.
01:25:41Well, I appreciate that.
01:25:42I appreciate that.
01:25:43I mean, I happen to agree.
01:25:44If I didn't think this was the best conversation, I'd be working somewhere else.
01:25:49All right.
01:25:50I would trust a dark suitor than I would a person.
01:25:55I mean, but you look for markers, right?
01:25:57You look for markers.
01:25:57I mean, I remember back in the day visiting a friend of mine who was at university and
01:26:04there were communal showers, and I just thought that was absolutely crazy.
01:26:11Absolutely crazy.
01:26:12Women are ashamed of their immense privilege.
01:26:15I don't think they recognize it.
01:26:17I mean, this is an old Warren Farrell statement that a man's weakness is his pretend strength,
01:26:25but a woman's strength is her pretend weakness.
01:26:28I saw this like haunting video on the internet not too long ago.
01:26:33It was about a woman who rejected a man and then decided to get a job, and she was just
01:26:38in tears because she's sorry and she wanted him back.
01:26:42And I just broke my heart in a way that a man crying would never do.
01:26:45This is just kind of how we're programmed.
01:26:46Suffering woman, make her happy.
01:26:48Suffering woman, make her happy.
01:26:55I mean, as soon as women could be liberated from drudgery and childbirth, they were, and
01:27:02almost exclusively because of things invented and spread and made by men, all the way from
01:27:06birth control to laundry machines.
01:27:16So women as a whole, when they become concubines, they don't have much interaction with the male
01:27:23and they kind of dislike the male because you won't commit to them in a monogamous way.
01:27:26But if you think of a harem, the women have to get along with the other women.
01:27:29So when women turn into sort of alpha widows or don't have a man to partner with throughout
01:27:36life, they tend to work instinctively much harder to get along with other women.
01:27:43And this is why sort of female in-group preference, the women are wonderful phenomenon and so on,
01:27:48and why women agree with other women more than they listen to men.
01:27:53I mean, we men, we know a lot more about male violence than women do because we grew up
01:27:58around it.
01:27:58We're threatened by it all the time in the schoolyard.
01:28:00You have to be careful as a man because of the violent boys, the dangerous boys, and
01:28:04so on.
01:28:05And so we know a lot about male violence and women, they just don't really listen to us
01:28:13about male violence.
01:28:14We keep sounding the alarm about a variety of social trends saying this is going to end
01:28:17badly.
01:28:18These men do not have good intent, bad things are going on.
01:28:21It's like, don't you be so controlling.
01:28:22It's like, well, advice is not controlling.
01:28:24And sometimes if your doctor says, quit smoking, he's not trying to control you.
01:28:30He's trying to help you.
01:28:31So it's the same thing with men, but women have aligned, again, not all, right?
01:28:36A lot of women have aligned themselves with other women because they don't have a pair
01:28:40bonded male in their life that they're willing to listen to and take advice from in the same
01:28:45way that men should listen to and take advice from women.
01:28:49And men aren't taking a lot of advice from women these days and women certainly aren't
01:28:52taking a lot of advice from men as a whole.
01:28:55And that's bad.
01:28:56We're just losing half our wisdom.
01:28:58It's like going through life one-handed and trying to applaud your future.
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