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We spoke with sociologist Santiago Barassi about Pope Leo XIV's historic visit to Argentina-the first by a pontiff in 39 years-and the profound symbolism of his arrival in Francis's homeland. We analyzed the impact of this event in the context of the austerity policies of Javier Milei's government, the Church's social role in addressing poverty, and the tensions between Catholic doctrine and libertarianism.

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00:00Let's now talk with Santiago Barazzi, sociologist specializing in the analysis of contemporary political, social and religious processes.
00:09Argentina is receiving a Pope for the first time since 1987 and this visit carries an additional symbolic weight because
00:17it is the homeland of Pope Francis.
00:19How important is this moment for Argentine society and what does Leo XIV arrival represent for a country that had
00:25such a profound influence on the previous pontificate?
00:32Well first of all a pleasure being here with you talking about this historical trip of Pope Leo to Latin
00:40America and in particular to Argentina.
00:45Not only a very important country for South America but also the homeland of Pope Francis.
00:53Of course as you have just said the arrival of a Pope after 39 years and especially after 12 years
01:06that an Argentinean has been at Rome at the Vatican as the main authority of the Catholic Church.
01:14It's really a very strange situation in a way. Of course we are very happy of receiving Pope Leo but
01:28of course the visit that couldn't concrete in a way.
01:36I would say Pope Francis has been always an issue for not only the Argentinean Church but also like the
01:45whole society.
01:47I think that and it's not only that I think that recently Pope Leo in the flight from Rome to
01:59Montevideo he was asked about this.
02:03And he has said that in a way his visit is like a recognition like a tribute to Pope Francis
02:12because in Pope Francis it's not only a son of this land of Argentina also Buenos Aires.
02:23But he has been the first Latin American Pope so in a way his presence here in Buenos Aires in
02:33Córdoba and in Luján it's a very nice way to remember Pope Francis.
02:41To also have him present in this moment of Argentinian life and I think it's going to be a very
02:55special moment when Pope Leo finishing his trip here his visit here in Argentina when he's going to pray the
03:08massive mass that it's going to take place.
03:11In Luján in the Basilica of Luján that it's the main sanctuary of Argentina and I think in that moment
03:23it's going to be especially important the memory of Pope Francis here in his homeland.
03:35Santiago, the Pope's arrival coincides with a period of significant economic and social transformation under Javier Malay's government particularly its
03:44austerity policies and their impact on vulnerable sectors.
03:47How should we understand the relationship between the Catholic Church and the current Argentinian government and could Leo 14 social
03:53priorities create tensions with Malay's political and economic agenda?
04:00Well, of course, Javier Malay is a very particular president because it's not only the president of Argentina but also
04:14a global figure of like the libertarian philosophy and political movement.
04:25And that he has appeared in his local land here in Argentina.
04:33He was really a phenomenon, difficult to believe at first but his figure has also clashed in a way with
04:46the values of the Catholic Church.
04:49And I think that the image that just have some moments ago happened in the in the meeting of Pope
05:05Leo and Javier Malay.
05:07It's really how can I how can I how can I put it?
05:11It's it's like the the meeting of two ways of reading the social and economic and political issues in the
05:25in the 20th century, 21st century, in a way, because the church and it has lots of things to do
05:36with the last.
05:36The next encyclical, the Magnificat Humanitas that has present Pope Leo in May shows a way to to read the
05:52the disputes, the struggles of the 21st century.
05:57And in a way, Millet represents a totally another way of reading the issues that are actually in debates at
06:08humanity, especially if we talk about economics, if we talk about artificial intelligence, if we talk about the the way
06:19to conceive the states and the politics.
06:23So it's really a global notice, this this visit, this meeting, and I think that, of course, the words of
06:35Pope Leo, it's going to be discussing in a way with with the ideas of Javier Malay and the libertarian
06:48movements that he represents here in Argentina.
06:51But also in the region and in all the world.
06:58Argentina has historically had a strong Catholic identity, where it is also experiencing important social, political and cultural transformations.
07:06What influence does the Catholic Church retain in Argentina today? And to what extent can it continue to act as
07:13a voice for sectors affected by poverty, inequality and social exclusion?
07:19Well, actually, Argentina, it's a Catholic, it's a Catholic country. The people here, since the beginning of its history, it's
07:35it's it's it had had a very close.
07:41Yes, yes, a very, a very strong role, the Catholic Church along the Argentinian history.
07:50Of course, Bergoglio, Francisco, it's part of that story of that history. And in a way, the church, although as
08:03you mentioned, in in several areas, it might had lose some influence.
08:13It's true also that in the last time there has been like a revival of the way the Argentinian church
08:24is talking in the public discussions.
08:30And I think it's very important to take a look, to listen, for example, the president of the Bishops Conference
08:43of Argentina, Marcelo Colombo, the way he is putting words in the social debates, for example, on what regards the
08:56policies for people,
08:59people, handicapped people, handicapped people, that the government of Javier Millet had cut lots of the grant, the big part
09:09of the budget destinates for assist families and people, handicapped people.
09:15And in the last month, the church had had a very strong words in this debate, the same with another
09:26law that the government tried to pass in the Congress.
09:29And they couldn't at the end because they couldn't at the end because the opposition stopped that that was called
09:36like the law for lands, because the discussion was about if it was possible to to to to sell the
09:49lands for foreigners.
09:51Well, the church and in the figure of Marcelo Colombo, the bishop, they had put very strong interventions in order
10:03to discuss the way of the government, discuss and oppose this type of situation.
10:11So I think that we are living a very particular time because as you said, the now Argentina, especially Buenos
10:23Aires and the big cities, of course, it's like multicultural and religious societies.
10:29But also there's a very strong word, public word from the church, from its bishop and some priests that they
10:40are being maybe one of the most important words, speeches, public speeches that are discussing this issue.
10:51So I think that we are in a very particular moment and in that particular moment is that Leo, Pope
10:58Leo is arriving to Argentina.
11:02Thank you, Santiago, for your inputs here with us.
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