Skip to playerSkip to main content
Joseph M. Lenard
  • 7 hours ago
CTP (S4E181) Work Sucks But I Like It
We talk with Tony Tenaglier about why “work sucks, but I like it” is the most realistic path to growth and satisfaction. We connect values, vulnerability, and flow state so you can show up with honesty even when life and work feel messy.
• Tony’s background from Baltimore to New England and the shift from engineering to psychology
• Why people stay in comfortable bubbles and how ignorance differs from refusal to learn
• How workplace culture can punish mistakes and block vulnerability
• Why self-help clichés about passion can backfire
• Marathon training as a model for embracing the hard parts
• How online noise pulls attention off course and makes direction harder
• Values as standards for living rather than status markers
• Flow states and engineering more presence in daily work
• Defining work through physics and applying it to psychological forces
• Internal work on yourself and external work for others
SEND US FEEDBACK: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2210487/fan_mail/new
https://tinyurl.com/SubscribeToCTP
CTP Audios: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBuzzsprout
CTP Videos: https://tinyurl.com/CTPonBITCHUTE
https://tinyurl.com/CTPgear
https://tinyurl.com/JLenardDetroitGear
AI images/videos/audio CTP uses: https://tinyurl.com/GalaxyMagicaAI
https://www.buymeacoffee.com/jlenarddetroit

Category

🗞
News
Transcript
00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.
00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.
00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12It looks French.
00:13It's not.
00:14It's Leonard without an O.
00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.
00:24Let's get on with the show!
00:27Hello, everyone.
00:30This is going to be a quick cheat intro segment.
00:34I'm going to be lazy.
00:35I've got so many guest recordings built up.
00:40I'm going to get lazy and cheat on some Saturdays.
00:44I don't have to dream up a monologue topic this way.
00:49And I'm also not going to say what guest will be appearing,
00:53because I'm going to be lazy and cheat and use this same intro several Saturdays to intro a guest show.
01:03So, as Graham Norton used to say, let's get on with the show!
01:10Surprise interview!
01:12Take care, Cop Plus!
01:15Joining me today is Tony Tenaglier.
01:20Am I screwing that up already?
01:22Joe said it was pretty good.
01:23Tenaglier.
01:25Tenaglier.
01:26Okay.
01:26Yeah.
01:26Okay.
01:27I make no bones about it.
01:30I connect with people through PodMatch.
01:33Tony is no exception here.
01:35And he wrote, or I saw on his profile, and I wrote back to him, LOL,
01:43about him saying, work sucks, but I like it.
01:48So, I was like, oh, I've got to talk to this guy.
01:53Yes, right?
01:54It's like, I'm on disability now, so I'm home, presents his own set of problems.
02:00I don't want to be here.
02:02I'd rather be working and have my good-paying job still.
02:07So, yeah, I get it.
02:11I, you know, you hate it when you're doing it, but the minute you're not doing it anymore,
02:15you're like, oh, my.
02:17You're like what they had, you know.
02:19But let's back this garbage truck up.
02:23Beep, beep.
02:24First, where were you born and raised?
02:27Where are you now?
02:29That sort of thing.
02:30Significant places you were in between.
02:33Wow.
02:34I'm going way back.
02:35All right.
02:35Well, let's take the garbage truck all the way back.
02:38So, yeah, born in Baltimore, Maryland, you know, and my parents were in the Navy, and
02:43we moved to Spain, and I spent, when I was one years old, I was there for a year.
02:49So, I don't remember anything about Spain, but anyway, so then we moved to California,
02:54and when I was around five, my parents split, and we decided to move back to New England
02:59and New Hampshire.
03:00So, here I've been.
03:01I'm 39 years old, and here I am in New England.
03:06So, I went to school at UConn in Connecticut, not UConn, Canada, but Connecticut, go Huskies.
03:13I went to study material science engineering, and I'm now working on my Ph.D. online in psychology.
03:22Interesting, interesting.
03:24I, you know, dabbled in the study of psychology because just from the Christian standpoint,
03:34wanting to better understand the, and I have a song on this called Inner Animal,
03:42understanding that inner animal aspect of us, you know, I, we are given higher brain function
03:52to use, but a lot of people don't use it.
03:56You know, we got to understand the human nature side, the psychology side, and all that.
04:04I know this is your podcast, but I want to ask you, Joseph, why do people not use it?
04:08I'm curious to hear your answer, your thoughts.
04:13Ignorance is bliss.
04:14Some people, some people love the delusional bubble.
04:22Do you agree or disagree since I put that out there?
04:25I know, no, I mean, I certainly agree.
04:27I mean, we only know what we know, right?
04:28So it's like, it is uncomfortable to step outside of that bubble, right?
04:32Like you kind of suggested, and especially today, right?
04:35It's like, you know, online is a very exciting thing, but also sometimes scary thing.
04:41People are getting famous, going viral for good things, and then maybe going viral for
04:46not so good things.
04:46So it's almost like it's a test of vulnerability.
04:49And some people are just, I don't know, it's, it's a very complex sort of problem to be
04:55thinking about.
04:56Let me throw this out there too.
04:58There's a difference between, whoops, the hallway light I left on is causing green screen
05:04ghosting there.
05:05Apologies for those viewing behind the scenes video, but that's what's happening there.
05:11There's a difference between ignorance and stupid.
05:15We are all ignorant of that which we've not learned about yet.
05:23We are born completely stupid, and we need to learn things along the way.
05:31Stupid is, I don't know, I don't want to know, and often I prefer not to know type thing.
05:41Your thought on that?
05:43Yeah, I mean, we start, so I work in manufacturing, Joseph, and it's like, you know, we produce
05:48parts.
05:48I've been in the industry for 15, 16 years now.
05:51So aerospace manufacturing, we make parts that go into planes, also the automotive thing.
05:56You got any parts in the new flying car?
05:58Ah, no, not that one.
06:00I haven't quite made that market yet.
06:02That's a good one though.
06:03Yeah, to combine the two markets.
06:04Yeah, mostly it's aerospace.
06:05I like that one.
06:07But really, you know, manufacturing, what it comes down to is we talk, the language revolves
06:13around, and of course, rightfully so, you know, 4%, 5% scrap parts.
06:18We're always talking sort of negative.
06:19We're always talking sort of what you did wrong.
06:22And to me, that sets up the environment for people being afraid to sort of be vulnerable,
06:28to express themselves, to make mistakes.
06:30And again, I'm not saying that because I work in aerospace, I'm saying people should just
06:34make mistakes.
06:35Obviously, we want good parts to fly in planes, so we get to our destination safely.
06:39But what I'm getting at is that humans are not robots, right?
06:43They're human beings.
06:44And we have to remember that it comes with sometimes looking stupid.
06:48It comes with sometimes, you know, this idea of them not wanting to step outside their
06:53comfort zone.
06:53And we have to really honor that as managers for those that are, you know, in the industry
06:58working.
06:59I know you want to be working, Joseph, but you have to honor that the fact that people
07:04are humans today, and it comes with the good, the bad, and the ugly.
07:08Another part of that is, yeah, we're all human, frail, flawed, imperfect.
07:14We can make mistakes.
07:15So looking stupid is also not the same as being stupid.
07:22Correct.
07:22Yes.
07:23Yeah, exactly.
07:23Yes.
07:24Right.
07:24Exactly.
07:24I like that distinction.
07:26Exactly.
07:27All right.
07:27So I'm going to try and push us along here.
07:32Full disclosure, I warned you I'm having trouble with my laptop.
07:37So I'm going to try to apologize in advance.
07:43I'm going to short shrift you a little here.
07:47Right.
07:48Efficient.
07:48Short and efficient.
07:49Yeah.
07:50Honest, full disclosure, because I'm paranoid the machine will.
07:55So I want to make sure we get what we can and while we can.
08:01Oh, now my ADHD got me.
08:03Oh, no.
08:04Yeah.
08:04I wanted to go back to where did the concept of the blatant upfront honesty, the way I see
08:13it, of work sucks, but I don't like it.
08:18So for a few viewers, you can probably see behind me, there's a lot of books and I do
08:23try to read them.
08:25I try to learn from other people because I don't have all the answers.
08:29What I found is that I love self-help.
08:32I love learning about things that want to improve me, make me a better person, show up
08:36in this world.
08:37But what I found, Joseph, is that sometimes self-help gets a little bit cliche, right?
08:41It talks about, let's find our passion.
08:43If you find your job that you love, you'll never work another day in your life.
08:47And that sounds great, blah, blah, blah, beautiful, all the flowers and the sun is shining.
08:52But let's face it, there's times that suck.
08:55So I've run 12 marathons and I have always enjoyed the feeling of crossing the finish line.
09:01But I will tell you that the weekends prior to training for that race totally sucked because
09:07my Saturday was 20 miles and then my Sunday was 10 miles.
09:11And so I was doing all this running and training and then I was tired after that and sleeping
09:16for half the weekend.
09:17So my weekend was pretty much shot when I would be training for marathons.
09:21And so I just want to really bring about in this conversation why I'm so blunt about it
09:27is that you can like your work, but also embrace the suckiness of it, right?
09:32There's nothing wrong with that.
09:33There's nothing wrong with looking stupid sometimes and the effort to be better.
09:38And I think that's sort of the essence that I'm trying to go for.
09:41Yeah.
09:42And you don't get to pick your co-workers always.
09:47Absolutely.
09:48Yeah, that's right there.
09:49There are always often somebody or another that seems to be trying to row the boat in
09:56the other direction that the team agrees.
09:59We know we need to row over there.
10:03Quit trying to row us back that way.
10:06Yeah, even with the storm coming, you're like, look, the storm's coming.
10:09Why are we rowing that way?
10:13Yeah, that reminds me of the movie The Odyssey.
10:16I did see it really long.
10:19Maybe could have been cut a bit, but ultimately a pretty good movie.
10:25But yeah, the one part where the swirling waters and it's kind of psychology, since we're talking,
10:34I'll use reverse psychology.
10:37We don't want to go that way.
10:40So everybody says, let's go that way.
10:43Let's head right into where he knows the storm's going to hit, but we'll miss the boat sucking
10:52whirlpool, hopefully, and deal with that when we get it.
10:56Get to it.
10:58Now, it's been a while since I've read The Odyssey, but it's the sirens that lure the winds.
11:04I mean, think about that now today, Joseph.
11:05We have all the noise of online today.
11:08Come here, come here, grab this and buy that and get more crap and blah, blah, blah.
11:13It's hard.
11:13It's hard to know the direction to go in life with all the noise, you know, to navigate through
11:19the relative stupidity of it all.
11:21Yeah, yeah.
11:23Now, like me, I knew of The Odyssey.
11:26I knew the basics of The Odyssey, but full disclosure, I myself never did read it.
11:34It was too, too, I hate to say that, and I'm going to make another note here.
11:40At the end of this episode, I'll tack on my inner animal song and my TLDR, write the online
11:47acronym, too long, didn't read, write today's.
11:51Twitter attention span, you know, give me the Cliff Notes, give me the The Odyssey for
11:57Dummies short book, and it was the same with the movie.
12:02So how much of the movie was really true to the book, I can't say it because I didn't read
12:08it, but, you know, I knew of parts that seemed, I think that's different.
12:14Well, again, full disclosure for everyone here.
12:16When I read it, I had to read it because it was a requirement in school.
12:21So, I mean, I'm 39 years old, and that was probably middle school, or I don't even know
12:26when he started reading it.
12:27So that was a while ago, Joseph, so I don't remember that either.
12:31And now Elon Musk is saying, well, I'm going to use Grok to do a fully AI version of it
12:37that'll be more true to the book.
12:39Had you heard that?
12:40I did not, I did not.
12:42That's the thing, Joseph, it's so hard to stay on top of what is going on in the world
12:47today.
12:47I mean, there's billions of people, and a lot of people are online, a lot of people are
12:51sharing stuff, and it's hard to navigate.
12:54It's hard to find kind of your tribe.
12:56And I think that's why I love podcasters, because we just love talking just on different
13:01topics about work that sucks and other things as well.
13:04So, but, yeah.
13:07If you said you're in manufacturing, so like me, I was originally in high school thinking
13:17I want to become an accountant, and I was studying and going along that path.
13:24And while that didn't work out, that didn't happen.
13:28So I went to a trade school, and it was right at the time that the PACCO strike happened.
13:33And the airline industry was thrown asunder.
13:37Well, I landed up through that training, getting a job at a hotel.
13:41So I was still airline-related hospitality industry, which then led to my getting into IT.
13:49So I wouldn't change anything about how it happened, because I love my IT work, and I still
13:58love to be doing it, but it was all that stress that caused my body to basically shut down
14:05and put me on disability now.
14:07But are you where you thought you would be?
14:11Is this what you wanted to do?
14:14Or like me, did you kind of follow an odd path to get where you are now?
14:21Well, yeah, I mean, following kind of the sirens calling me when I was growing up, I mean,
14:26really was the traditional song and dance.
14:28You know, we're told that we need to go to school and get a degree.
14:31We're told that we need to get a job.
14:33We're told that we need to get married, and all beautiful things.
14:35I'm not saying those aren't bad things.
14:37But when you're trying to forcefully shove them into your life, and you don't know why,
14:41it's just kind of, it doesn't happen more naturally.
14:44And so really, I went through sort of a journey, my own sort of odyssey, if you will, Joseph,
14:49when I wrote my first book called The Impression of a Good Life, Finding Your Song and Dance,
14:53really talking about this.
14:54I was trying to grapple with, okay, I got the degree, I got the job, and I was dating a
15:01woman at the time and could have gotten married to her.
15:04But I just had this moment in my life, I was like, what am I doing?
15:07It was almost like this wake-up call, like, what am I doing?
15:10And what I found was that I had to resolve my thoughts on the word value.
15:15So society tells us that what something is worth is what we think of the word value.
15:20You know, get that, you know, job, get the house, get the car, get all these things, the
15:26vacation.
15:27The American dream.
15:28The American dream.
15:29Beautiful, yeah, exactly.
15:30And the song plays out, right, with the song and everything.
15:33So, but the word value, though, years ago, when I was doing my research and my psychology
15:39investigation of myself, actually, the word back in, like, 2015, when I published the
15:44book, the first meaning, if you looked it up in a dictionary or online, I'm sure there
15:49were dictionaries back then, far and few now, with that 2026, but the word was defined as
15:56what are the standards for which you to live your life?
15:58And if you look it up online today, Google search value, that is far down the list.
16:04And I find that interesting because we need values to stand by.
16:09Family, relationships, you know, health, things of that nature.
16:13And that's what I was sort of missing.
16:15And after I went through this sort of aha moment, I realized, okay, yeah, I can like my
16:19job.
16:20I can like getting degrees.
16:21I can like the idea of getting married, things of that nature.
16:24But I had to come to my sort of, like, conclusion of what value was to me, not society saying,
16:31Tony, you need to get these things in this order, do it for 40 years, retire, and then
16:36do whatever you want after.
16:39Hopefully.
16:40Hopefully.
16:41You've built enough.
16:42If you built, if you live, for one, the other, if you managed to squirrel away enough
16:48nuts in a 401k to be able to live the lifestyle or anywhere close to the lifestyle you become
16:56accustomed to, before I asked you to repeat the title, for those viewing behind the scenes,
17:04do you have a copy there to hold up?
17:08So it's actually not a book.
17:09So I'm working on the book.
17:11So I love that, Joseph.
17:12So you're kind of giving me the public sort of, you know, holding me accountable, if you
17:16will.
17:17But I did write a different book, so I'll hold that up.
17:20But this is a yoga book, In a Rush to Go Nowhere, Finding Shavasana.
17:23But no, my work around work sucks, but I like it.
17:27The podcast, I wanted to understand really conversations around when people enjoy work.
17:34And it's also, you know, I guess like, so what I'm, my PhD program, sorry, what's up with
17:40that, is looking at what's called flow.
17:43And so flow states, you might've heard it before, you're in the zone, you're in kind
17:46of the moment.
17:48And what I find is that when I've interviewed guests, and myself included, when I'm being
17:52the host, and even as a guest here, I'm trying to find this state where I'm just so in tune
17:57with what I'm doing.
17:59So in tune with you, Joseph, right now, with what we're doing right now with this conversation.
18:03Because let's face it, there's a lot of distractions.
18:04You got that hallway light, right?
18:06You got your laptop you're thinking about, right?
18:08I'm paranoid about it shutting down on me.
18:10I shut it down and it's hard to be present and it's hard.
18:14And I am trying to study it in an academic way and learn, because that's kind of who
18:19I am.
18:19The engineer in me comes out.
18:21And I just want that sort of rigorous approach to understand how can I engineer being present
18:28and so mindful in my work?
18:29And to do that, you have to embrace all facets of it.
18:32You have to embrace the crap, the good, and everything that comes with it.
18:37That's a great answer.
18:42And I don't say that just to blow smoke.
18:44That's all right.
18:46I just made it all up.
18:48Don't ask me to repeat that.
18:49Okay.
18:50Yeah.
18:51Hopefully, we don't lose the recording.
18:53We recorded it for the record, right?
18:55Yeah.
18:58Behind the scenes, full disclosure, I asked Tony to record on his side, too, in case my side
19:07decides to vomit.
19:10Hopefully, we can salvage it somehow.
19:13Man, I don't want to say, so far, so good.
19:16Oh, I just said it.
19:18But that's the part that sucks, right?
19:21Joseph, as you as a podcast host, and myself included, we know there's technical difficulties.
19:26But we embrace, this is us doing it.
19:29This is us doing the work right now, which I love, right?
19:31You have that same spirit, that same attitude of, hey, this sucks to have, you know, I'm
19:36not totally ready for this because my laptop's about to die, you know?
19:39But you know what?
19:40Let's go in and just do this conversation.
19:42Let's have a good time.
19:43Yeah, and other additional disclosure, I didn't have my notes.
19:48Where did my notes go?
19:49I didn't know this Zoom was happening until five minutes before this Zoom was happening.
19:56I love it.
19:57Where did the notes go?
19:58I always have, I don't script a show, but I have show notes, at least, so I know who
20:06I'm talking to.
20:07Unlike today, I'm waiting for Tony to come on the Zoom if anybody at all was coming, or
20:14if this was a leftover Zoom that should have been rescheduled or canceled entirely.
20:19It's like, is somebody going to show up?
20:21I don't know.
20:22If they do show up, is it going to cooperate?
20:24I don't know.
20:26Here we are, though.
20:27We're making it happen.
20:29So let's talk, while so far so good, a little bit more about your podcast journey.
20:36Tony, what got, how long has it been going?
20:39What got you into it?
20:40That sort of thing.
20:42So take a step back.
20:43Yeah.
20:43So a year and a half ago, if you asked me what a podcast was, I couldn't even tell you.
20:48I couldn't even tell you.
20:49I literally have just been so somewhere else with other things that I'm online, right?
20:53You know, I use YouTube and things of that nature, but we were driving somewhere and
20:57my girlfriend was like, oh, can I put on a podcast?
21:00We got sick of music.
21:01We got sick of the audio books.
21:02And I said, sure.
21:04All right.
21:04And so we're listening and I'm like, oh, wow, this is really good.
21:07I kind of like this sort of intimate conversation.
21:10It was Travis Barker from Blink-182, the drummer.
21:13And I'm a drummer, by the way.
21:15And he was talking about just his life and he's a vegan and we're both vegan, my girlfriend
21:19and I.
21:20And so we just resonated with this conversation.
21:23And, you know, I just were talking about it after in the car ride.
21:25So on car ride, I forget where we're going, camping somewhere and hiking or whatever it
21:29was.
21:29And so she goes, well, why don't you do a podcast?
21:31And I was thinking to myself, oh, okay, well, what the heck am I going to talk about?
21:35And so I was just reflecting on it one day and just kind of what we talked about.
21:39All these books behind me have sort of led me to this idea of, wait a minute, I have a
21:45conversation that I want to start.
21:47Do I have the answers?
21:49Absolutely not.
21:49But I want to start this conversation with people that are so hungry for self-improvement.
21:54What is their secret sauce?
21:56What is their formula?
21:57And one of the things that I like to ask, Joseph, first question really out of the gate
22:03is how do you define work?
22:06And I'm going to ask you that right now because I know you're the host, but I want to ask
22:09you,
22:10how do you define work, Joseph?
22:14Well, that's interesting because work you want to do versus work you need to do, right?
22:24I need the paycheck.
22:26I need, I want the benefits and other like labor of love work like the podcast or like
22:35writing books.
22:36And for those considering a podcast, podcasting quick start guide.
22:41I got a book on that.
22:43Love it.
22:43You're thinking about writing a book?
22:45How to write a book and get it published?
22:47Hinch tips and techniques.
22:48I got a book on that.
22:50Both, again, labors of love.
22:54I obviously hope to sell books and supplement my disability income, but I've not really officially
23:02monetized this show, nor do I monetize my music.
23:07I hope both point back to the books that then people buy.
23:11Anyway, so yeah, that's, how are you defining it?
23:17Ah, so yeah, I mean, I love your kind of definition, right?
23:20I mean, it talks about the things you want to do, the things you need to do.
23:24And so the way I look at work is I'm going to bring my engineering hat back here.
23:28So put it back on.
23:29So from the physics definition, I'm going to nerd out just for a moment.
23:33We'll make it practical here in a second.
23:34One is work is defined as a force multiplied by the displacement of an object.
23:40All right, what did Tony just mumble here?
23:41So imagine that you're getting up out of bed and the first thing you do, hopefully don't
23:45grab your phone.
23:46You're getting up naturally and you're fighting this force of gravity.
23:52Gravity is always pulling us down and your body is an amazing, whatever you want to call
23:57it, thing existing.
23:58And it's just working its way to stand upright to fight this force of gravity.
24:04So work equals force times the displacement of an object.
24:08So you're doing work to displace your body against gravity.
24:12So here's what I love about this definition as well, is that now we can use it with psychological
24:17forces, right?
24:18You love psychology, Joseph.
24:19So as you know, working with people that you mentioned that you don't always like, those
24:23are forces against you.
24:25How do you include your body?
24:26I go into that in several of my Life and Living series books.
24:30Again, as a Christian, we are to love our enemies.
24:35That doesn't mean you can necessarily tolerate them and you don't want them under your roof,
24:40right?
24:41Right.
24:41Those are two different things.
24:44Some, as I say in the book, Kennedy Project, KRPD, make it hard to love them and it's best
24:50to love them from afar.
24:53Sorry.
24:53Go ahead.
24:54No, no, no.
24:55I like that.
24:55I like that.
24:56But that's just, you're kind of, you know, giving us an example of how to apply that
25:00definition.
25:00Not that yours wasn't good.
25:01I think that's what I enjoy most, right?
25:03You didn't come out of the, you know, the answer to that question saying, oh, work is the
25:08thing that I do to trade time for money.
25:10You kind of talked about it.
25:12There's something else.
25:13But what's interesting, right?
25:14Because when I asked you, Joseph, we just met and I said, what do you do?
25:17You would have probably went through your spiel of like the nine to five thing, but I don't
25:21get it because I've got the disability.
25:23And it's like, but Joseph's more than that.
25:24He's written a book.
25:25He's a songwriter, right?
25:27He makes music.
25:27He does a podcast.
25:29And these are the types of things I want to unfold is I don't like or accept the thing
25:34that people just, when they answer that question of what do you do?
25:37Oh, I do this thing of whatever to trade time for money with this job.
25:41And my girlfriend kind of pushes back on that.
25:43And she says, and this is a good conversation, healthy, right?
25:46Can't always have full agreement with things.
25:48It's healthy to have some disagreement.
25:50Hey, if you think you agree with some 100%, you're not normal.
25:57You're not a human.
25:58Yeah, yeah, right.
25:58Exactly right.
25:59You're lying to yourself, right?
26:00Do you not ever change your own mind at times on things?
26:06So parents don't agree on raising a child.
26:12Spouses don't agree all the time.
26:15Even identical twins who share almost exactly the same DNA and the same look and almost the
26:22same, they disagree.
26:24It's not normal to not have a disagreement.
26:28If you think you agree 100%, you're a sheeple, not a person who's thinking.
26:35Yeah, and I love her perspective where she comes from.
26:38And I actually kind of respect it, even though I don't quite resonate with it.
26:41It's that she says, well, they are saying that, say they're an engineer, they're a teacher.
26:47They're already kind of giving you a clue of what they value, right?
26:50Go back to that word value that we talked about earlier in this episode.
26:53What are the things that you're willing to stand for in your life?
26:57If you say you're a teacher, you're willing to, you value education.
27:01You value raising the younger generations to guide us, whether it be through trade school,
27:06college or whatever.
27:08We hope the teachers value that rather than want it to destroy young kids' minds full of mush
27:16and mold and manipulate them, which we have some of that going on in our schools.
27:22But that's a whole other story.
27:24Right.
27:24I mean, no one's perfect, right?
27:25And like you said, not everybody agrees.
27:28So everyone has different sort of perspectives.
27:30And I agree, like hopefully the intention of the teacher is that they're trying to do what's
27:34best for the student, not pushing their own agenda.
27:38Amen.
27:39I hear you on that.
27:40We're talking with Tony Tenaglier.
27:43Am I closer this time?
27:45You got it.
27:46Second time's a charm.
27:49And again, I apologize, but I am going to go ahead and start to wrap this up.
27:54Do you have a website where people can find you, learn more about you beyond this podcast?
28:03Yeah.
28:04WorkSucksButILikeIt.com.
28:05So I talk about the difference as I go a little more, as we talked about my definition of work.
28:11Don't worry, you don't need an engineering degree to understand any of this.
28:14I try to make it very practical.
28:15But to me, there's two types of work that we need to focus on today.
28:19The internal work, the work you do on yourself.
28:21And then the external work, the work you do for others.
28:24So WorkSucksButILikeIt.com.
28:26Yeah.
28:26And that's another thing.
28:27I'm glad you kind of brought that note in.
28:32We have to work on ourselves.
28:34Again, none of us are the only perfect person ever walked the planet.
28:39They crucified.
28:42So thank you, Tony Tenaglier.
28:46I appreciate the time.
28:47We are going to wrap this up before the crash.
28:53Thanks for coming on.
29:00And perhaps sometime in the future, I'll have you back.
29:04Hopefully, everything goes well and we can talk more when the next book actually comes out.
29:11I love it.
29:12Thank you, Joseph.
29:13Honor to be here.
29:14All right.
29:15Take care.
29:16God bless.
29:29Ecclesiastes 10, 2 through 3.
29:32A wise man's heart is at his right hand, but a fool's heart at his left.
29:39Yeah, also, when he that is a fool walketh by the way, his wisdom faileth him, and he saith to
29:47everyone that he is a fool.
29:58We walk on two thin lines, fangs behind the smile.
30:06Soft hands, sharp instinct taught to tame the wild.
30:12You feel it in your pulse, when pride starts talking loud.
30:19I know that hungry sound.
30:22It pulls you off the ground.
30:26But slow down, count to ten.
30:30Hear the crack before it bends.
30:33You gotta mind, you gotta plan.
30:37Don't let fire burn your hands.
30:41Inner animal, hold your ground.
30:45Inner animal, don't spin out.
30:48We are animals with feelings too.
30:51But don't let your heart rule your head, fool.
31:01I saw you bite the hook for one sweet, empty dare.
31:08Won the fight in silence, then lost it in the stare.
31:14The mirror knows your name, before the rage gets dressed.
31:22A little self-control can do more than the rest.
31:28So slow down, count to ten.
31:32Feel the weight of where you've been.
31:36Keep your nerve, keep your frame.
31:39Don't give your life to a flare of flame.
31:43Inner animal, hold your ground.
31:47Inner animal, hold your ground.
31:49Inner animal, don't spin out.
31:51We are animals with feelings too.
31:54But don't let your heart rule your head, fool.
32:07Not every bite is hunger.
32:10Not every spark is right.
32:13Sometimes the bravest answer is turning from a fight.
32:30Inner animal, hold your ground.
32:34Inner animal, don't spin out.
32:37We are animals with feelings too.
32:41But don't let your heart rule your head, fool.
32:45Inner animal, stay awake.
32:48Inner animal, don't break.
32:51We are animals with feelings too.
32:54Don't let your heart rule your head, fool.
33:09That's R.
33:13T-T-T-L-D-R.
33:17Yeah.
33:18Yeah.
33:19Scrolling fast.
33:20Attention gone in seconds flat.
33:22TikTok brain.
33:23Twitter spam.
33:23Can't handle that.
33:24Headlines scream, but the truth is buried deep.
33:27Ten paragraphs down where the lazy never reach.
33:29They say T-L-D-R like it's some kind of flex.
33:32Too stupid to read.
33:33Too lazy to check.
33:34Details matter.
33:35Context matters.
33:36Facts don't lie.
33:37But you'd rather stay ignorant.
33:38Wonder why.
33:39T-L-D-R.
33:41Too long, didn't read.
33:42You skip the truth and swallow the spin they feed.
33:45T-L-D-R.
33:46Too lazy to see.
33:47Now you're lost in delusion.
33:49But that's on you, not me.
33:50I ain't here to spoon feed the choir.
33:53I'm here where the lazy high setting shit on fire.
33:55Details matter.
33:56Context matters.
33:57History too.
33:58If you gloss over it all.
34:00That's on you.
34:01You, you, you, you, you, you.
34:03Yeah.
34:04You, you, you, you, you.
34:05I coined it myself.
34:07Twitter, TikTok, attention span.
34:08Now even I catch myself saying, damn, this is long, man.
34:11But I push through cause I know the devil's in the details.
34:14You skip them and you end up leaving all the fake headlines.
34:16I shortened chapters in my books.
34:18Cut the story link.
34:19Cause 99% won't read if it ain't short and clean.
34:21Even wrote a whole CTP episode back in December 2025.
34:26Called it T-L-D-R.
34:28And here we are still barely alive.
34:31T-L-D-R.
34:32Too long, didn't read.
34:34What?
34:34You skip the truth and swallow the spin they feed.
34:36T-L-D-R.
34:37Too lazy to see.
34:39Now you're lost in delusion.
34:40But that's on you, not me.
34:42I ain't here to spoon feed the choir.
34:44I'm here with a lazy hot set and shit on fire.
34:47Details matter, context matters, legalities too.
34:49If you gloss over the T-O-S language, that's on you.
34:53You, you, you, you, you, you.
34:54Mass hoes.
34:55You, you, you, you, you, you, you.
34:57Mass hoes.
34:58Masses of the ass is clueless and proud.
35:01Falling for the dumb and down, screaming loud.
35:03Fake news, berries, facts, ten paragraphs deep.
35:06While you're swiping up, thinking you're informed but you're asleep.
35:08You want the bullet points, the 15 second clip.
35:10But reality don't come, inconvenient little strips.
35:13Trust will verify, Reagan tried to teach.
35:15But you'd rather stay dumb than practice what you preach.
35:18This ain't hate, this is tough, love straight, no chaser.
35:21I made this song to be the mirror, not the eraser.
35:23Even this episode, I kept short on purpose.
35:26So you have no excuse, but still some won't surface.
35:28Details matter, facts matter, context, ties and tight.
35:31Skip them at your own risk.
35:32Stay lost in the night from software terms of board effects to welfare lies.
35:36If you won't read the fine print, enjoy the surprise.
35:40D-L-D-R.
35:42Too long, didn't read.
35:44You skipped the truth and swallowed every lie they feed.
35:46D-L-D-R.
35:47Too lazy to see reality over delusion.
35:50That's the key.
35:51I ain't here just for the choir.
35:53I'm here where the hurt and the lazy hide.
35:57Details matter, every single line.
35:59If you won't read or listen, then stay blind.
36:03Yeah.
36:04T-L-D-R.
36:06Too long, didn't read.
36:08But this song's over now.
36:11Still too long for some of y'all.
36:13I bet.
36:14Yeah.
36:15C-T-P.
36:16Dismember 2025.
36:18T-L-D-R episode.
36:20Caught it first.
36:22Yeah.
36:22Now it's a song.
36:24Cause the crisis only got worse.
36:28And like clickbait everywhere, tune outlines.
36:31Observe.
36:32Take the time.
36:35Absurd.
36:36Choose reality over delusion.
36:39Details matter.
36:41Read the damn thing.
36:45Like and subscribe to Christitutionalist Politics Podcast and share episodes.
36:52We need your help.
36:54Thank you for having tuned into another Christitutionalist Podcast show.
37:01I really appreciate that you stopped by.
37:05Again, please like, share, subscribe.
37:08We need you to help spread the Christitutionalist movement.
37:14Thank you again.
37:16Take care.
37:17God bless.
37:18Love you all.

Recommended