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00:13Hello, welcome to gangs all here. My name is Ryan Sampson. That's our Jets beat writer Brian Costello. Today is
00:17Monday, October 26. The New York Jets fell to two and five to start the season after losing to the
00:22winless Dolphins at home at MetLife Stadium. And there is a lot to discuss after yesterday's game. But before we
00:28get to any of it, as always.
00:30Kaz, how you doing today, buddy? I'm good, Ryan. Good to be home. Yeah, yeah. Good to be home. It
00:36was a beautiful day yesterday. Beautiful fall Sunday. Unfortunately, the Jets made it a an ugly Sunday for a lot
00:43of Jets fans. And look, Kaz, that the noise has never been higher or louder, I should say, on Aaron
00:50Glenn.
00:52I'm curious, now looking back at this 12, 14, 15 hours removed from the game. What are your thoughts on
01:02what happened yesterday and what went down?
01:05Yeah, inexcusable was my first thought, Ryan. I really haven't moved off of that. I mean, we talked about it
01:11all week. This was, and I think listeners to our show, viewers of our show know I'm not a big
01:17must-win guy.
01:19I don't get caught up in that too much, but this was a must-win. Like, the Jets have not
01:24proven to us yet that they can punch up and beat teams that are in the, you know, upper tier
01:29of the NFL.
01:31So, we talked about it all along. They had to beat the teams that were in their weight class and
01:35teams that were maybe below them in the standings or in the NFL hierarchy.
01:40And the Dolphins were one of those teams. And this wasn't a, like, dramatic fourth quarter comeback win by the
01:50Dolphins.
01:51It was a beatdown in the first half, and then the Dolphins found a way to win the fourth quarter,
01:57right?
01:57I thought the Jets came back in the second half, did some things a lot better. But overall, the Dolphins
02:04beat them for three quarters of the game, I'd say.
02:08And just some inexcusable things. I'm sure we're going to hit on all of them, Ryan, but we know what
02:13they are.
02:13The end of the first half was a mystery. The not scoring from the one-yard line was brutal.
02:21Giving up a 60-yard touchdown, not being able to get off the field at the end of the game.
02:25Like, it's just, it's definitely a bad football team yesterday.
02:30And I haven't felt like that other than the Bears game and this one this season.
02:35Yeah, it felt very reminiscent of last year, right, Kaz, in terms of this team coming onto the field.
02:40And you felt like the other sideline has an advantage right now in the coaching advantage.
02:46And the Dolphins came out ready and prepared to play that game off a bye week.
02:51And it felt like the Jets just were punched in the mouth and they go, oh, okay.
02:56And the Dolphins felt like the more desperate team for a win yesterday, if anything, as well.
03:00Look, the record speaks for itself in Aaron Glenn.
03:03Five wins out of his first 24 games.
03:050-8 in the division now, facing a division opponents.
03:09And when you look at that, Kaz, the record keeps getting worse and worse as we're going through here.
03:16They keep losing.
03:17Right, they keep losing.
03:18But, like, so when you put it in a historical context, it's all-time bad.
03:23So I ask you, with the evidence that's piling up against Aaron Glenn and the way that his team has
03:30played
03:30and the way that they have prepared or been unprepared in these games,
03:35is it starting to look like the Jets have gotten their answer and we don't have an actual head coach
03:41right now?
03:44I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say don't have an actual head coach.
03:48I'm going to say the, you know, we've said all along,
03:532026 was going to be a referendum on Aaron Glenn.
03:55Should he be back in 2027?
03:56Right now there's no way he should be back in 2027.
03:59I don't think he, I don't know how you make that case off of these first seven games.
04:04There's 10 games left.
04:06I'm going to maintain what I've said since the offseason.
04:09I think he deserves a whole season to see what he can do.
04:13I am skeptical that they are going to turn this around, Ryan,
04:16and make us change our minds the next 10 games.
04:18But there's 10 games to do it.
04:20And let them go out there and try and see what they can do.
04:25But, yeah, it's, this is, you know, this is Cotite level right now is what you're looking at.
04:31I think Cotite won four games in his two years and Aaron has five.
04:35I, you know, I don't want to hear about Gase.
04:38He won seven games in his first season.
04:39I don't want to hear about Salah.
04:40He won seven games in the second season and they were good in the middle of the year.
04:47Like this is, yeah, this is Cotite level right now.
04:50So, change feels inevitable this morning, Ryan, but it's always, you know,
04:58prisoner of the moment.
05:00There's still games on the schedule that they can win.
05:03I just find it hard to believe that they're going to convince us that, you know,
05:07Aaron Glenn is the guy in 2027.
05:09But, hey, maybe they pull some shocker off.
05:11Well, I'll say this.
05:12I mean, you say can win.
05:13I mean, if you look at their schedule, they can't win any of these games
05:18if we're being honest with how this team is played.
05:20Because if you can't, if you can't, if you can't beat, if you, I promise you
05:25they're not going to be two and 15.
05:27I don't think they're going to be two and 15, but it'll be close to it again.
05:29If they keep playing like that, you lost to a winless team that never held the
05:33lead in an entire game this season.
05:37And you lost to a team that was not nearly as talented as you cause.
05:40That's the biggest indictment I have is on Aaron Glenn as the head coach.
05:43He did not, it's not like he lost to a Bears team that was better or a Packers team
05:49that was better.
05:50He lost to the Dolphins, 0-5.
05:56It's unexplainable.
05:57It's inexcusable.
05:58Like you said, it's, for Jets fans right now, we have gotten our answer, Kaz.
06:03He is not the head coach of the future.
06:06And they need to move on from him.
06:07And I know they're not going to do it in the middle of the season.
06:09But I think everything that he says now moving forward, it just falls on deaf ears
06:15because all the Jets fans are going to point to now is how quickly can we get to 2027 and
06:19get to the off season to find the next head coach.
06:22But then there's also the scary part, Kaz, of how are they going to find this next head
06:26coach?
06:26Because we've seen this owner and the search committees and the executives and the opinions
06:32they've gotten.
06:33I don't know, man.
06:34And like, this feels like a very tumultuous time for this Jets franchise right now after
06:38coming off that Sunday loss.
06:41Yeah, I get it.
06:43I get it.
06:43It was a horrible, horrible loss.
06:45But, you know, is it impossible, Ryan, that they could beat the Bills at home in a few
06:49weeks?
06:51Yeah.
06:53Okay.
06:54I don't think it's impossible.
06:56Like, look, this game was a complete dud.
06:58The Bears game was a complete dud.
07:00Other than that, I haven't felt like they're complete duds.
07:04I've seen bad Jets teams beat the Bills at home before, right?
07:08I haven't seen many win up there in a long time.
07:11But could they do that?
07:13Could they beat the Broncos at home?
07:14Could they beat the Vikings?
07:15There are games where they could pull off a shocker and maybe make you feel differently.
07:19In terms of, like, the coaching search, obviously, we're getting ahead of ourselves in that
07:23instance.
07:23I don't love talking about it.
07:25I know.
07:25You know, Aaron Gladys on fire.
07:27But I will say, I understand where you're coming from.
07:29And I think the difference, if you're looking for, like, hey, why should I have faith that
07:33they can get this right?
07:34This is going to be Darren Mugee making this hire.
07:38I'm confident in that.
07:39Like, Woody Johnson's going to sign off on it, right?
07:43But I don't think there's any reason that Darren Mugee should be fired.
07:46I think he's done a good enough job that he deserves to keep his job.
07:52And to me, you know, you saw this in 2021.
07:56Joe Douglas hired Salah, right?
07:58Ultimately, Christopher Johnson signed off on it.
08:00But that was Joe Douglas' hire.
08:01I think the Jets would do the same thing here.
08:03They would say to Mugee, you go hire the coach.
08:05I don't think Woody has the stomach, you know, to interview 15 guys again like he did just
08:11two years ago.
08:11I don't think they're going to be interested in giving Mike Tannenbaum any more money or
08:16any other search firm.
08:17So I think this would be a Mugee hire.
08:20Can he do it?
08:20We don't know.
08:21He's never done it.
08:22But, like, if you feel good about Mugee and you kind of trust what he's done so far,
08:28then that's a reason to have hope there that they could find a coach.
08:33It's unbelievable that the Jets season feels like, guys, it's over before we even get to
08:37Halloween yet again.
08:39Yeah.
08:39We talked the holidays, right?
08:40Like, you know, I love the holidays.
08:42Yes, it's – and, yeah, it's crazy.
08:44It's crazy again Halloween.
08:45We couldn't get to Thanksgiving.
08:47It's been a decade plus now, it feels like, of just – and I know there was two years
08:51in 23 where they started well in 22, but, like, it's just been a lot of bad football
08:58and it all falls again, I think, on the coach.
09:00It falls on the coach getting his team prepared and putting them in situations to win football
09:05games.
09:05So, you talked about the bad stuff that's inexcusable yesterday, and I want to dive into some of
09:11those things.
09:12In the first half alone, outscored 21-7.
09:14They gave up 231 yards to the Dolphins' offense.
09:17They only had 114 themselves.
09:19They really didn't have the ball much in the first half because the Dolphins were just controlling
09:22the ball because those first three possessions, it felt like.
09:25Yeah.
09:25And the Jets couldn't get off the field.
09:27So, I want to start there with the defense and how, one, it didn't feel like Glenn had
09:33his team prepared and ready to rock and roll to start the game.
09:36And, two, I'm curious your thoughts about the end of the first half, not using the timeouts,
09:41and what you saw or when that went down.
09:45Yeah.
09:46I'll start with the defense.
09:47Yeah, I thought the game plan was terrible.
09:49So, you know, I thought if you looked at it, the Dolphins had ran for 200 yards against
09:54the Bengals.
09:55They had run for over 100 yards, I think, in the last four games or so.
10:00So, to me, the game plan was stop the run.
10:04Don't let Malik Willis run around.
10:07And if he beats you with his arm, he beats you with his arm.
10:09Now, he did have a good passing day yesterday, but I thought the Jets came out kind of soft.
10:14I didn't think they – I haven't seen the blitz numbers, Ryan, if you looked those up.
10:18I don't know how much they blitzed yesterday.
10:19But it didn't feel like they blitzed a ton.
10:25And, yeah, they just – you know, not ready to play is a tough one to evaluate.
10:29But I thought the game plan was bad from the start.
10:32And they were giving up big plays to the tight end.
10:35Dulcich was wide open in the middle of the field.
10:38They gave up some long runs to Gordon right off the bat.
10:41And then if you go to the second half, I thought they played really well in the third quarter.
10:46And then you get to 21-17, and they gave up the 63-yard pass to Douglas where they just
10:52don't tackle.
10:53I mean, it was just bad tackling.
10:54And then you can't get off the field at the end of the game, you know, where the Dolphins are
11:00able to run the clock.
11:01So, the defense, yeah, it was rough.
11:05Did you find the blitz numbers?
11:07Yeah, so the Jets blitzed him 12 of 19 – how many dropbacks did he have yesterday?
11:15Malik had – he had 28 dropbacks.
11:20They blitzed him on 12 dropbacks yesterday out of the 28.
11:23Yeah, so that's not much.
11:25I would think it would be higher against a quarterback like him.
11:28Then in terms of the end of the half, yeah, I was kind of stunned in real time.
11:33Sometimes I don't always see that in real time, Ron.
11:35But when Willis had that run where he slid on the sideline and got the first down, that was the
11:43first part.
11:43I'm like, all right, I would take a timeout here, take a timeout.
11:45And they didn't.
11:47Then you could argue, okay, don't take a timeout there.
11:50But then when Gordon, I think, ran it for like four yards and they would second down, now I'm banging
11:55the timeout because I can use the three timeouts.
11:58I'm thinking I'm stopping them there.
12:00Get them to kick a field goal, but I'm getting the ball back with maybe 50 seconds left, 45 seconds
12:05left, and you can do something with it.
12:07I don't understand his explanation yesterday.
12:10I don't understand his explanation today.
12:14To me, this is a game about getting the maximum number of possessions you possibly can.
12:19That's why teams defer, right?
12:22Like you want to get that possession.
12:23You're hoping you're getting a possession at the end of the first half and the possession at the beginning of
12:26the second half and can double score there, right?
12:28That's the whole – that's why every team defers.
12:32So why are you not trying to get the ball back there?
12:34And I think this is – I can't remember the other – what was the other game, Ron, where he
12:37didn't do it?
12:37There was another game where he didn't really try to get the ball back at the end of the first
12:42half.
12:42It was the Packers against the Green Bay Packers.
12:44The Packers game.
12:45The Packers game.
12:45Yep.
12:46Yeah.
12:46And it was like, you know, yeah, why aren't you – oh, it was the end of the game with
12:50the Packers.
12:50It was the end of the game where he didn't call the timeouts to give his chance again.
12:53Didn't call the timeouts.
12:54Yeah.
12:54Yeah.
12:55It's like, why aren't you trying to give your offense another possession?
12:57It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.
13:01But, you know, I – now it's 107 to 6.
13:08It's again – you know, you asked me my thoughts at the top.
13:12Sure.
13:12And something I was thinking about this morning is one thing I wrote this offseason and I strongly believed is
13:18like,
13:19the Jets just can't be embarrassing this year.
13:20Like, that was the bar to me.
13:22It was – I didn't expect them to go to the playoffs.
13:24I picked them to go 6 and 11.
13:26Didn't have high expectations.
13:28But last year was so embarrassing with the zero interceptions and the way they finished the season.
13:36I thought this year they could be like just not embarrassing.
13:40107 to 6 over the last two years at the end of the first half.
13:42That's another – that's a stat like zero interceptions where you're like – you can't even wrap your brain around
13:47it how it's possible.
13:48And they've had two embarrassing losses now.
13:50I mean, Chicago, running 89 plays on them was embarrassing.
13:54And then yesterday was embarrassing losing to the winless Dolphins.
13:57So, I think we'll probably win more games, Ryan, to be honest.
14:00We're being honest.
14:00I think they're a well-coached team.
14:03I do think they have some good young players.
14:05They're going to have a hard time being consistent because they don't have a lot of experience.
14:09And they don't have – there's wide swaths of their roster.
14:14Like, who is this guy that they're playing starter-wise?
14:16But they are well-coached, and I can see them – you know, I can see them winning more games.
14:21And now here's where you say, Rod, yeah, they play the Jets again.
14:23They definitely could win more games.
14:25So, I'm curious.
14:26You said – you said just there that, you know, you think they have – the Dolphins meaning that they
14:30have, you know,
14:31a good young coach right there in Jeff Halfley.
14:33They do.
14:33So, I'm interested to expand on that a little bit because Halfley, it was impressive yesterday.
14:41I felt like even at the end of the first half where he managed that successfully of like,
14:45okay, the Jets are not calling any timeouts.
14:47Let me let the clock run down when we get into the red zone,
14:50and then I can give my team three opportunities here to score a touchdown.
14:54He managed it perfectly there in that situation.
14:56And I thought it was aggressive at the end to go forward on fourth down,
15:00try to get your first win on the road.
15:03And my crazy cause, though, Aaron Glenn has never had that type of moment where you or I have gone,
15:09man, the Jets got a good young coach right there.
15:11I feel confident in what he just did in that situation.
15:14And that's where I think this all leads to this conversation of Aaron Glenn just – he's not a good
15:20head coach.
15:21He just – he does not look like a good head coach right now.
15:26I thought he – I thought his best moment last year was against the Bengals.
15:30I thought he managed that very well.
15:32Remember, he was like going for two.
15:34You know, they came back.
15:36He had – there was some good – I'm not sure if it was game – like time management necessarily,
15:40but there was good game management that he did in that Bengals game.
15:43He's not a young coach, Ryan, so we're never saying he's a good young coach.
15:46But, yeah, I get what you're saying.
15:49And that came kind of late – that came up in the eighth game of the season,
15:53so you're kind of like already down on his game management.
15:55But I haven't watched the Dolphins every single game.
15:58I'm not sure if Halfway's had some bad moments.
15:59But I do know Halfway interviewed with the Jets in 25, and they were – they liked him.
16:05They were very impressed by him.
16:06I remember hearing good things after his interview.
16:10I thought he was a strong candidate for the Giants last year, you know,
16:13being a Jersey guy before John Harbaugh emerged because everyone you talk to talks highly of Halfway.
16:19I've talked to Salah about Halfway because, remember, Salah went to Green Bay.
16:23Yeah.
16:24After he was fired by the Jets, and Halfway was the D.C. there.
16:27And Salah really liked Halfway and was really impressed with his coaching there.
16:31So I think they got a good one there.
16:32Yeah, he certainly seemed like – I love what I saw in the – I mean, I hate, as a
16:37Jets fan,
16:37what I saw in the locker room, but it was cool to see them celebrate with him for his first
16:42victory.
16:42Again, just real quick on the blitz rate yesterday, just even further,
16:46total as a team on both rushing and passing downs,
16:49because I had just looked up the passing downs from Malik Wills,
16:51the Jets had blitzed at a 42.9% blitz rate yesterday on all snaps defensively.
16:58In the first half, it was 33%.
17:00They upped it in the second half to 55% from Aaron Glenn's play calling spot there,
17:05the both run and pass plays.
17:09In that fourth quarter, really, Kaz, while the end of the first half is troubling again,
17:13and now that total that we're going to stare at forever now of 27-0 this year,
17:18107-6 in the final two minutes of the first half under Aaron Glenn's tenure,
17:23that's horrible and disgusting to look at as a fan in itself.
17:26I really thought this game was lost, though, in the fourth quarter when they get that ball to the one
17:30-inch yard line,
17:31and they have a chance to tie the game at that point, and they settle for a field goal.
17:36A lot of heat is after Frank Reich yesterday, despite the offense putting up a lot of numbers.
17:41What did you see just from that series and overall from the offense?
17:47Yeah, I thought he got way too cute, the fullback dive.
17:52No offense to Andrew Beck, but this is his first carry of the season.
17:55He had one carry last year.
17:58I don't get it.
17:59If you're going to run the ball, just hand the ball to Braylon Allen and go.
18:02So, I'm a quarterback sneak guy when it's that close to a first down or a touchdown.
18:09You know, the Dolphins had the tush push at the end of the game.
18:13Do the Jets have a tush push?
18:14Like, I'm not saying you have to be the Eagles and run it all the time,
18:18but I feel like that's a discovery that's been made in the last five years of football.
18:23Like, hey, this is a play that works in short yardage.
18:26You know, maybe the Jets don't feel like they can execute it with their offensive line.
18:30I don't know.
18:30But, like, I hated the fullback dive.
18:34I hated the third down rollout with Geno that ends up in a sack.
18:39So, yeah, not good.
18:41And then, yeah, they lost the game there, and then they lost to giving up a 63-yard touchdown after
18:45that, the defense-wise.
18:47But overall, the offense, right, I mean, it's weird.
18:51They put up good numbers, but they are not a good offense if you watch them.
18:55And there's just long periods of ineffective play.
19:00Yesterday, I mean, their yardage came.
19:03They hit some really big plays, which is great.
19:05That's part of the game.
19:06It's good that they're explosive, but you can't live on that, I don't think.
19:11I think you need to be able to put together 10 play drives, 11 play drives, and we don't see
19:15that a lot from the Jets.
19:17And then, you know, the Garrett Wilson, I think I said on the show the other day, like, I would
19:23have bet the over.
19:24I would have bet everything I had.
19:25It's a good thing I don't bet money because I thought the over on Garrett was a chore thing.
19:30And how the hell does he get three targets in that game?
19:33I just, I can't comprehend it.
19:36Yeah, so to expand upon further, I will get into the Garrett thing real quick because I do have some
19:41stats here that are alarming, Kaz.
19:42I'm on yesterday with Garrett itself.
19:44The Jets put up 377 yards of offense like you had discussed.
19:48They did score a couple touchdowns there.
19:50Mason Taylor, I thought, was really impressive yesterday considering he had two of those you-got-moss-type catches.
19:57Anytime touchdown score I gave out, Ryan.
19:59Hey, you're making some money for some people.
20:02I've been god-awful this year and everything else, but that one I hit.
20:06And then the emergence of Omar Cooper, right?
20:09Like, Omar Cooper in two weeks now looks like a legitimate maybe two, number two receiver if they have a
20:16number one in Garrett Wilson.
20:17But so with Frank Reich on that series right there, like you said, the fullback dive didn't make sense to
20:22Andrew Beck
20:23considering he really isn't involved in the game plan of touching the ball.
20:27So then you go, finally, halfback dive with Braylon Allen.
20:30And the Jets' interior, again, cannot get that push, it feels like, on short-yarded situation, Kaz.
20:37Is this a matter of the coach calling the plays at the wrong time?
20:41Or is it the Jets just don't have the bodies up in the middle to be able to open up
20:46those type of holes for Braylon
20:47on short-yarded situations?
20:48Because when they're in the middle of the field, Braylon's carving them up in the middle.
20:53Yeah, I don't think those are exclusive, Ryan, right?
20:55I think if you don't feel like you have the personnel, why are you calling the plays to dive up
21:00the middle, right?
21:01Like, maybe you did need to run a bootleg there.
21:04Maybe you did need to find Mason Taylor for another touchdown or Kenyon Sadiq.
21:09Remember him?
21:09Maybe you get him open.
21:12So maybe you do something like that on second down and try to do that instead of the third down.
21:20And then when he gets sacked, it's over.
21:23Yeah, I don't know the answers there, Ryan, but I don't think they trust their interior offensive line right now.
21:30Obviously, they're still waiting on Parham to come back.
21:33That'll help.
21:33But I don't think Josh Myers, that's his specialty.
21:37I don't think that's Joe Tippmann's specialty.
21:39They're smaller.
21:41You know, we've talked about Tippmann a lot.
21:45But, yeah, I just got to get it done from the one-yard line, and you have to be able
21:52to punch it in there.
21:53You know, one thing I will say about this Jets offense, too, in the red zone, while it's been frustrating,
21:57they did convert on a couple of those yesterday.
22:00The numbers look better than what we're talking about of how the game felt, right, in terms of what we
22:05saw on the field and how they executed.
22:07I mean, it took really two awesome touchdown catches from Mason Taylor to convert some of those red zone trips.
22:13The Omar Cooper Jr. touchdown was a really nice design play.
22:16I'll give credit where credit's due there, him coming out of the backfield.
22:19But, like you said, it feels like there's more there on the table that they're just not getting, Kaz.
22:25And let's talk about the more being Garrett Wilson.
22:29So, you said, unexplainable for three targets again yesterday.
22:32Zero in the first half.
22:33One of them was on a penalty where they took away that target.
22:37In terms of target's percentage per route run, meaning how many times are you getting targeted on all the routes
22:42that you're running during a game?
22:43Did you know that Garrett Wilson was the second lowest percentage on targets per route run yesterday?
22:48And guess who's the lowest?
22:52Who's the lowest?
22:53Sadiq?
22:53Kenyon Sadiq.
22:55So, you have Kenyon Sadiq.
22:56You're talking about lowest in the NFL or lowest?
22:59Just yesterday on the Jets team.
23:01On the Jets team itself.
23:02On the Jets team, okay.
23:03Yeah, yeah, on the Jets team itself.
23:04So, yesterday, target's percentage per route run.
23:07Garrett Wilson was second lowest on the team at 12.5%.
23:10He had 25 routes run.
23:12Three of them were actual targets.
23:14So, that turned into a 12.5%.
23:16Kenyon Sadiq was 8.3% with the lowest.
23:19And Adonai Mitchell was the third lowest at 17.6%.
23:24Kaz, I don't know what else to say in terms of, I don't know how you're not getting the ball
23:29into Garrett Wilson's hands.
23:30I've watched JSN.
23:31I've watched Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins.
23:33I've seen all the best receivers.
23:35And I'm not saying Garrett's a top 10 receiver.
23:37I know a lot of people want to argue with that.
23:39I'm not going to argue with that.
23:40But he is a very good wide receiver that should be part of your game plan no matter what.
23:46How is it that Geno Smith and Frank Reich are not able to get the ball into his hands early
23:52and often?
23:54I don't know.
23:56I'm baffled, Ryan.
23:58I saw you.
23:58You tweeted all his routes, right?
24:00I did.
24:01I did.
24:01Did you find him out?
24:02I was able to watch it.
24:03Yeah, so there were two obvious misses where Geno had first, in the second quarter, had checked down to Braylon,
24:09if you remember, into the flat.
24:11And he had a clean pocket.
24:13Garrett Wilson was streaking over the middle.
24:15No one within 10 yards of him.
24:17He completely just did not want to pull the trigger to him.
24:20And then the second time, there was an out route where Geno, again, doesn't even look to Garrett's way.
24:26And he's wide open.
24:27And instead, Garrett takes a sack.
24:28But the more troubling thing, I would say, besides the Garrett Wilson not getting targeted on those type of plays,
24:33there were walk-in touchdowns to Omar Cooper, Kenyon Sadiq, and A.D. Mitchell that Geno missed on three straight
24:41plays.
24:42Or not straight plays, but three plays in the game where Kaz, if they hit them, you're talking about major
24:48explosive plays, walk-in touchdowns.
24:50Yeah, so the Mitchell one.
24:50The Mitchell one down the sideline you're talking about?
24:52Yeah.
24:53Yeah.
24:54The next play, he had Omar Cooper for a long one.
24:56He did.
24:56So he'd come back, but yeah.
24:58So that, to me, is where, again, the numbers would say, hey, Geno had a pretty good day yesterday, but
25:04the QBR is 77, and the film is not lying to me where it says, you're missing explosive plays downfield
25:11when guys are running wide open.
25:14Yeah.
25:15Yeah.
25:15Geno is a perplexing quarterback, right?
25:17Like, I have a hard time with him because he's not bad, right?
25:22Like, this isn't Zach Wilson or Justin Fields or, like, where you're like, oh, my God, this guy can't play
25:26quarterback.
25:26He can play quarterback, but he doesn't really elevate those around him to be much better.
25:33So it doesn't feel like he's – it feels like it's kind of like a net zero with Geno, right?
25:38Like, he's not hurting you, but he's not winning you football games either, which is weird for a quarterback.
25:44Because usually they are bad or they are good, and there's not much in between, but Geno's in between for
25:50sure.
25:53You just look at it like, oh, they're rolling the coverage to him.
25:56Like, don't they roll the coverage to every good receiver and these guys still get the ball?
26:00Like, how is that happening?
26:02Like, they've just got to figure out ways to get him the ball.
26:05And I thought it was going to be this week because it's – you know, Ryan, you're too young to
26:08know this.
26:09But the Dolphins once had a defense in the 70s.
26:12Their nickname was the no-name defense.
26:15And the Dolphins yesterday were the no-name defense because I couldn't tell you who was playing quarterback.
26:20Still right now I don't know who was playing quarterback because every time anyone made a play,
26:24I had to pull up my little flip card and go, who was that guy?
26:27Because – right?
26:28So, like, this wasn't Christian Gonzalez taking Garrett out of the game.
26:31No.
26:32I don't even know who these guys are.
26:34Like, they should have been able to get him open.
26:36They should have been able to scheme him open.
26:38Geno's got it.
26:39And I'm sure it's a combination of Reich and Geno.
26:42Yes.
26:42It's not all one or the other.
26:45No.
26:45But they've got to have a meeting this week.
26:47And the guy is extremely frustrated.
26:50Obviously, CBS showed him yelling at Seth Ryan yesterday.
26:53He was biting his tongue again in the postgame locker room.
26:56So, they've got to figure this out.
26:58It's puzzling.
27:02It's frustrating as heck as a fan because I do believe in the talent, like you said.
27:06And I do believe that you can scheme him to get the ball, no matter what the coverage is telling
27:12you or dictating to you.
27:13It does hurt, though, when the quarterback is not looking his way and when the offensive coordinator is just not
27:19designing those plays.
27:20Because maybe there's also those times, and I think the film will tell you this, Geno's first and second reads
27:26aren't even towards Garrett's side.
27:27He's not even looking on that side of the field, and it feels more like he's becoming a decoy in
27:31this offensive game plan.
27:32And that is not what you spend $30 million a year on, Kaz.
27:37One of the other bright spots besides Omar Cooper and Mason Taylor was Braylon Allen goes for 100-plus yards
27:42again, total from scrimmage, Kaz.
27:45And he's really been a bright spot in this running attack.
27:49Two straight weeks.
27:51Because Brees was practicing last week, didn't play, didn't suit up this past weekend.
27:56Maybe he makes his return against the Raiders.
27:58How do they incorporate both of these guys to be a part of this ground game plan?
28:02Because we're talking about all these weapons the Jets have, but apparently the offense just can't put up enough points.
28:08Well, that'll be the next storyline, Brian.
28:10You can see that one coming a mile away, don't you?
28:12Yeah, I do.
28:14Why are they giving Braylon more cameras?
28:16Why are they giving Brees?
28:16Like, yeah, it's a good problem to have.
28:20It's noticeable, though, right, with Braylon in their ground attack?
28:23Yeah, he's been very good.
28:24He's been very good.
28:25And so it's going to be interesting to see how Reich incorporates both of them.
28:29Can you get them both on the field at the same time?
28:31I mean, one of the problems I think they're having right now is personnel packages of, like, Kenya City played
28:3822 snaps yesterday.
28:41Now, again, Mason Taylor, a really good game, like we talked about.
28:44So Mason Taylor's ahead of him, like, in the rotation.
28:46And clearly they trust Mason a little bit more, maybe with run blocking, maybe with the playbook.
28:51I'm not sure.
28:53But, you know, you can't have all these guys on the field at the same time.
28:56So when you have Cooper, Mitchell, and Wilson on the field, you're going to have one tight end most of
29:03the time.
29:03And that seemed to be Mason Taylor yesterday.
29:06You know, earlier in the season, we were talking a lot about 12 personnel and 13 personnel.
29:10And, you know, then they had five tight ends against Tennessee.
29:14Do they get back to that at all?
29:17Do they try to do two, you know, a pony package with two running backs with Breeze and Braylon?
29:24A lot of decisions for Mr. Reich to make coming up, and it's going to be interesting to see how
29:29this plays out.
29:30It does feel like he just doesn't adjust well, and I mean Frank Reich, in terms of, like, the first
29:36scripted drive, Kaz, it's always been good for him to start this year.
29:39But then after that, it just feels like it's a huge letdown, like you said, about personnel packages on third
29:45down.
29:45We're having three tight ends, and Garrett Wilson on the field with Tim Patrick on the field.
29:49Like, it's just, it's unbelievable that we are talking about how the Jets just don't have their best players on
29:57the field enough in a lot of these situations,
29:59and maybe that is what's ultimately harming them in winning these games.
30:05Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
30:07Glenn this morning said, like, he was asked about Garrett again, and he's like, this isn't the problem with our
30:13offense, basically.
30:14Like, you know, and I get where he's coming from.
30:18I don't think that's the reason they lost the game yesterday is because Garrett didn't get enough targets.
30:22I agree.
30:23But Garrett getting more targets could be the reason you win the game, and he's your best player.
30:29I don't think that's debatable.
30:32So they've got to figure out how to get him on the field more involved.
30:36I think Sadiq is number two on that list.
30:39He runs a 4-3.
30:41He's a freakish athlete that most teams don't have.
30:46How are you not using that weapon?
30:47You drafted him for a reason.
30:50I expected to see Sadiq lining up all over the place.
30:55I expected Sadiq to get handoffs in the backfield run.
30:57I expected Sadiq to get in the round like he did in Tennessee when he scored his first touchdown.
31:02I expected to see Sadiq in the seam, like we talked about.
31:05I expected to see Sadiq in the red zone, one catch, one catch yesterday.
31:11And I understand Aaron Glenn's point, but I think they've got to figure out a way to get these guys
31:19more involved.
31:20I think their offense has potential.
31:23We're just not seeing the production right now.
31:25We're seeing production.
31:26We're seeing yardage.
31:28We're just not seeing winning offense right now.
31:31Certainly not, Kaz.
31:32Certainly not.
31:33Final thoughts here as they head into another game against the Raiders, where the Raiders are traveling across the country.
31:41Jets are going to be home.
31:42There's a chance that Fernando Mendoza might even be starting this week, which is another intriguing aspect of this game
31:49coming up.
31:51Guys, I've got to be honest with you.
31:52All the Jets fans are done with Aaron Glenn.
31:55Even if he wants to reel off a win here against the Raiders, I don't think he's going to put
32:00the fans in a different spot in terms of where they're thinking about him.
32:05So how does the rest of this play out with him this season?
32:08Because I can't believe, again, we're at this point where we're not even at Halloween and Jets fans are ready
32:14for the season to be over.
32:16Yeah, I'm with you.
32:17A win over the Raiders isn't going to do much.
32:20But like I said, he's got to pull some surprises off.
32:24He's got to maybe beat a Bills team, maybe beat a Broncos team at home, beat a Vikings team at
32:29home.
32:30I don't think they're winning at Arrowhead Stadium.
32:32I find that hard to believe.
32:33But can they win?
32:35Can they pull off an upset or two here?
32:38And they cannot have any – I mean, yesterday might have been it, right?
32:43Like it might already be over.
32:44But they certainly can't afford any more games like yesterday.
32:48Like they can't have a no-show when they go to Miami.
32:50They can't have a no-show against Arizona.
32:52They can't have a no-show this week against the Raiders.
32:55You've got to win these games.
32:57And to me, and then pull off an upset or two.
33:01And maybe you feel better about this team at the end of the season than you do now.
33:06Maybe they do find some rhythm offensively.
33:10The young players do look good.
33:11The rookies have played well.
33:13So can you build off of that?
33:15I think it's a little trickier when it's not a quarterback.
33:19Obviously, if you had a rookie quarterback and we're building toward the end of the season, you'd feel better about
33:24it.
33:25But, yeah, it's going to be – it feels like right now, for me, looking at this, this is going
33:29to be a long 10 games.
33:31Because it feels like now we're just kind of marching to the offseason at this point.
33:36But maybe they can surprise us, right?
33:39I love that you continue to try to make this somewhat positive as much as you can.
33:44You're doing your job, obviously.
33:45If I'm the one making it positive, we're in trouble, right?
33:49Everyone thinks I'm negative.
33:51We're in trouble.
33:52I'm trying to find the positive light.
33:53Cause yesterday was like ground zero here for all Jets fans.
33:57And it's just – I don't know, man.
34:00How is Frankie?
34:02How is Frankie taking it?
34:03Frankie was like me a little bit yesterday in terms of relief.
34:08Relief after losing that game because we finally can just put this to bed and say the Jets hired another
34:14lame duck head coach that just doesn't belong as a head coach.
34:16You guys can't play to bed.
34:17There's 10 more games.
34:18There's 10 more games.
34:19Everyone's riding it off.
34:20You guys aren't going to sit there – you guys aren't going to sit there Sunday and not watch.
34:23No, no, we're going to watch for the young players and we're going to watch for them progressing.
34:28But we're going to – we all know the answer.
34:30Like we're waiting for the Jets to fire Aaron Glenn.
34:33That's the truth.
34:35That's the truth.
34:35So will you get annoyed – will you get annoyed if he makes a mistake, game management mistake Sunday?
34:41No, because it's not surprising anymore.
34:43It's not surprising anymore.
34:46I just don't think you guys are going to get annoyed.
34:50Less than any Jets fan that still believes that he can coach his way out of this right now.
34:54I don't think it's about believing this, Aaron Ryan.
34:57I just think I've seen you guys too many times.
34:59You guys never just completely throw in the towel on it.
35:03Like you're always – maybe like the last game of the season.
35:05Like I felt it then.
35:07But I've never felt it in November.
35:08I've seen – I've seen the coaches lose.
35:11And, you know, you knew like Gase – you knew in 2020 what was happening with Gase.
35:15And you guys were still – you were still waiting when they were playing the Patriots
35:18and then they were playing the Raiders.
35:21You know, so I don't know.
35:22I think you guys will still be crushing him on Sunday when he makes a mistake.
35:28I mean crushing him because they continue to keep him employed.
35:30Guys shouldn't have a job later.
35:32It's bad.
35:33It's bad.
35:33It's really bad.
35:34Well, I don't think – we didn't talk about it, but I don't think you can –
35:41I don't know.
35:41So you should – you should not fire him.
35:43I mean firing him now does nothing.
35:45I get that everybody wants blood right now.
35:47But if you really think through it, right, who's going to replace him?
35:52It's going to be Frank Reich.
35:53Yeah.
35:54Yeah, you want that?
35:55No.
35:55Like he's done such a good job as the offensive coordinator.
35:57Let's make him the head coach.
35:58Like no.
36:00It's Glenn's defense.
36:01That's not changing if you fire him.
36:03Brian Duker is now going to be – it's sort of like with Sala.
36:06Like that was Sala's defense and you fired him and all of a sudden the defense
36:10looked even worse because Ulbrich was now completely running it by himself
36:13and he was trying to be the head coach.
36:15Like we've been down this road a couple years ago.
36:17The interim coach thing doesn't work in the NFL.
36:21So there's no reason to fire him right now other than because, you know,
36:24it would make you guys happy for a few days.
36:27But you'll be complaining about Frank Reich on Sunday if he was the interim coach.
36:31Can I ask you a question?
36:33Because now I – when you had started the episode saying there's still some
36:37winnable games, besides this Raiders game, where exactly do you see –
36:41just for my own purposes, where do you see the win on the schedule here
36:44for the Jets the rest of this way?
36:46They could beat the Cardinals.
36:48In Arizona?
36:50In Arizona they could beat the Cardinals.
36:52They could beat the Dolphins in Miami.
36:54I know it hasn't happened in a long time.
36:56A long time.
36:57But the Dolphins aren't unbeatable.
36:58They're not unbeatable.
36:59I'm not saying they're unbeatable.
37:00But in Miami the Jets do not historically do well.
37:04No.
37:04But look, the Bills might have the number one seed wrapped up or something.
37:09Well, at that point we need to lose games.
37:11We cannot win the last game of the season like that.
37:16So there – you know, and I also think like you never know what teams are going
37:22to look like in December.
37:23There's going to be – there's going to be – some of those quarterbacks could
37:26be injured.
37:27There could be other injuries.
37:28You never know.
37:29They got some games at home.
37:31I don't – I don't think this team is like incapable of winning games, Riley.
37:36I know they looked horrible yesterday.
37:38I get it.
37:39But they didn't look horrible against Tennessee.
37:44They didn't look horrible against Green Bay.
37:45They didn't look horrible against Detroit.
37:48Cleveland, you know, New England was there.
37:50But like they – this is not a god-awful football team.
37:56It's not.
37:56It's not talent-wise.
37:58It's not talent-wise.
38:00I do think they can – I'm still sticking with 6-11, Ryan.
38:03How about that?
38:04Wow.
38:04I'm not backing off 6-11.
38:05You expect four more wins out of these games coming up.
38:08But –
38:08I do.
38:09I think the coaching is just that much of a detriment right now to this team,
38:13even despite the talent trying to outproduce whatever the coaching is giving them.
38:17It's tough to win football games when your coaches are putting you in bad spots.
38:20And that's what the Jets currently have been dealing with.
38:22And that's what they've been dealing with well over a decade plus now.
38:25So, that is what it is.
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38:33Can't wait for some mock draft Mondays with Kaz coming up here in a couple months.
38:38Oh, Jesus.
38:40I'm going to have to start watching Big 12 after dark, aren't I, Ryan?
38:45Well, my producer Nick here says,
38:47mail it in for Mestamaker is going to be your new slogan.
38:51Oh, okay.
38:53What about CJ Carr?
38:54You like CJ Carr.
38:55That's your guy, right?
38:56I like CJ Carr.
38:56I do.
38:57I like CJ Carr.
38:58We all know Darren Mugey's been there a bunch already.
39:02Mence is good too at Miami.
39:04I think he's good.
39:05So, when they play it a few weeks, that'll be a fun launch.
39:08It will.
39:08Kaz, thank you, man.
39:09And we'll pay attention to all your coverage and we'll catch up with you later this week
39:13as we preview a Jets vs. Raiders game.