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00:03what's up everybody welcome back to another edition of straight out of flushing your boy
00:07dexter henry my guy tyler ward here with you woody what's up man how you doing dex i'm doing
00:14good listen uh the philadelphia phillies have joined the new york mets in cancun so that's
00:19never a bad thing regardless of the brave slaying that dragon and yeah i'm feeling pretty good right
00:24now again um i'm far more in a happy mood in the off season at least in the early goings
00:30of the
00:30off season because there's so much uncertainty uncertainty is fun to buy into uh because
00:35that uncertainty could lead to great things it could lead to terrible things so i probably won't
00:40have the same energy at the time that we're talking now a couple months from now but for right now
00:45though
00:45i'm feeling good i'm ready to get into this i gotta be honest i'm kind of judging you a little
00:49bit here
00:49man you're out here happy i mean i'm happy that you're happy just to be very clear i would not
00:55be
00:55unhappy that you're happy but you're happy that the uh braves got bounced and the phillies are moving on
01:01i'd be i would be happier oh the other way around the other way around i'll be happy if the
01:06braves got
01:07bounced because yeah i just i don't like that team i don't know i don't know here's the thing here's
01:15okay so let me we were talking off air on this but just to reiterate for those that don't know
01:21i'm from long island but i've resided in pennsylvania for majority of my life so all i know is philly
01:27fandom around me i mean i'm i'm gonna be you know stuck this weekend around philly fandom as a matter
01:32of fact which i'm not static about but these are just things i have to deal with so that's why
01:36and
01:36that's why you should be happy exactly so here's the thing though very happy that the phillies get
01:42bounced but the braves are a different beast where they bother me more because they've definitely i
01:48think been more of a thorn in the mets side or the past at least like throughout steve cohen era
01:53if
01:54we're just going to shrink it down to that even though i know it's much more than that when we
01:57think of chipper and everyone else but especially you know the recent years you think of 2022 that
02:02still feels like yesterday for a lot of us mets fans and to see the mets lose a division the
02:07way that
02:07they did it's just one of these things that it's kind of like what could have been so yes
02:12um hate the braves no doubt about it um it makes it conflicting as we get into the braves dodgers
02:18matchups uh we both want to see la win between the two even though it's really kind of you know
02:23picking a lesser of evils um but nonetheless my ideal world that no no no no there's a team more
02:30evil
02:30there it is the braves that that they are more evil but my my ideal world though dex is that
02:37none of these teams gets the dance will they probably but ideally none of them so can can the
02:45padres if not someone else create that reality i guess we'll just have to wait and see i do think
02:50it's fun that when you get to this time when your team's not in it you just get to hate
02:54watch this
02:55this award he's participating in a little bit of hate watch but we're not going to talk about the
02:59hate watch too but too long much longer but yeah i'm not you're not going to catch me rooting for
03:03the
03:03braves that's all i'm saying that's never going to happen that is not happening at all whatsoever
03:08but what we're here to do today is to talk about the mets rotation what it could look like next
03:12year
03:13what's your ideal rotation for the mets next year so wardy and i talked about this and talked about
03:18having this conversation and we decided we're going to look at what the mets have what we've seen for
03:24them in 2026 who we think should be part of rotation and what the ideal rotation could be and that
03:29means we can add in so free agents trades whatever it may be we could do that so i'm gonna
03:35you know
03:36i'm gonna lead off here here's my thing wardy i think if you're a fan you should be reasonably
03:44encouraged by what you saw from the rotation for the most part this year particularly the young arms
03:50in the rotation so i think we all reasonably would agree that donald mcclain should be in this rotation
03:58going forward if he's not uh something happened really bad or they made some major upgrade to
04:06trade that i don't see coming or why you'd give up on somebody like him at his age wouldn't do
04:10that
04:11i'm gonna put him in my ideal rotation christian scott thought i saw enough for him this year
04:20um to support mcclain in the rotation and mcclain we could talk about how dope he was
04:26uh was era just over three uh pitched almost 180 innings this year you like all that but christian
04:32scott was solid you know he had some shaky times early on but he showed you that toughness that the
04:38mets liked with him and mentally and how he could battle and give you innings and so i liked what
04:43i
04:43saw to christian scott he showed me okay this is a guy could be a good three and worst four
04:49starter
04:50in your rotation feel feel good about him i think he deserves a spot the guy that i probably don't
04:55think i would have put in this list earlier that i'm going to add to this rotation as another young
05:00guy zach thornton very impressed with him the fact the mets got themselves a lefty that they saw could
05:07pitch well i loved how amy green handled him down the stretch giving him an inch where he worked in
05:12situations saw where he could get in and out of jams he looked really good um you know when you
05:18look
05:18him up he was called up in july right guys 3.42 era 63 strikeouts across 84 and the third
05:25innings
05:25that's really good he was really efficient with his pitches uh didn't seem to ever get too frustrated
05:31when he got into jams that's something i look at mental stuff a lot particularly when it comes to
05:35pitching not just hitting as well too so those are three guys for me now here's where it gets interesting
05:42for the ideal rotation if i'm going to keep a met and i'm not i will say for this position
05:48i'll get to
05:48who i would add to this i'm not going to be locked into anything with this if somebody wants to
05:53tell
05:53me you want to start the season with sean mania because even though the velocity was down earlier
05:59in the year you liked what you saw from him towards the tail end of the year you think he
06:03could give you
06:04some innings it's a good veteran to have at the back end of the rotation i hear you on that
06:08me
06:09personally i'm okay with moving on if you could trade and eat some of his money and move on from
06:16him
06:16i'd be okay with that and with that being said i'd like to keep a little bit more youth and
06:21upside
06:22there so i'm going to say i saw enough from jonathan that i would like him in the rotation
06:30however what i might do if you're the mets that wouldn't be opposed to him doing this if you're
06:34not going to move on from a shamania then maybe you still keep him around as you start training
06:41it's been training then you have jonathan compete with him for that fifth spot i'm not opposed to
06:46that i like competition going to camp i would ideally do that now those are four spots we talked
06:51about warty obviously i've left out another spot and in saying all of this and as much as we love
06:57nolan mcclain the mets do not have themselves an ace so i've been saying this for well over a month
07:05couple of months tarik skuble go out and get him get the job done adam as ace if you have
07:12him
07:12with these young guys after him that to me is the ideal rotation because you have yourself a bona fide
07:20ace yes you're going to have to go and break the bank yes he's going over on the other side
07:25of 30
07:25i understand all that however this is a proven commodity where you know what you're getting
07:30this isn't a situation where you're getting the pitching version of mr polanco okay mr jorge
07:35polanco this isn't that this is a guy who has done it at a very high level who's a multiple
07:40cy young
07:40award winner who we know has also then pitched well in the national league we've seen it with the
07:44dodgers now go get a guy like this i think it just takes the pressure off of everybody you still
07:51have young guys with tremendous upside nolan mcclain can move into that christian scott
07:55jonathan can then be empowered to do what he does and then also zach thornt i think that's the
08:01ideal rotation keep it young with some upside and go spend some money and go get yourself an ace and
08:07tarik skuble and i would call it a day i don't think you need to overthink this i don't think
08:11you
08:11need to do too much i think you got enough information from 2026 on some of these guys and
08:16now i think you just need to go add yourself an ace now that doesn't mean they're not going to
08:19get
08:19the ace they're going to get the ace that is easier said than done and i think if you can't
08:23get
08:23the ace you have to go have yourself a plan b for that and that might be going to some
08:28other options
08:29which i will talk about a little bit later but i do think if it was for me to build
08:33the ideal rotation
08:34for me it's getting tarik skuble and keeping it young with the rest of those guys yeah there's a
08:40reason why i asked you dex before we start our episode today if you could actually lead with your
08:46picks for your ideal plan here because i don't really need to say a whole lot you know you took
08:50a
08:51lot of the words out of my mouth from i'm sorry playing to thornton to scott no it's vice it's
08:55really vice versa because a lot of times i feel like i go on my complete breakdown you're like
08:59that's exactly how i'm feeling pretty much because it's true like mclean has proven his worth
09:04as a front man in this rotation even though that maybe you don't want to give him that full ace
09:08label
09:09yet i think he deserves that with the season that he had but i also understand wanting more
09:13than just one thing because more of a good thing is never a bad thing for the new york mets
09:17so
09:17from mclean to thornton who i believe is only going to piggyback off of his success this year
09:23and i love the fact that his off-season emphasis is to build more velocity as long as he can
09:28do that
09:28while still having the effectiveness in the strike zone uh the mets could really have something
09:32blossoming for the greater there to christian scott who i'm really bullish on as well again there's a
09:37reason why andy green has raved about him as much as he has uh prior to andy officially becoming
09:42the mets manager uh during his time in player development to then obviously you have guys like
09:47jonathan and jonathan santucci knocking the doors as well i definitely like the upside with these guys
09:52no doubt and i can see at least one of them if not both of them positively impacting the rotation
09:58next year but you know what dex one thing is certain the mets need certainty as we head into 2027
10:04so
10:04because of that reason my ideal plan is to not acquire one starter but is to acquire two
10:09because each off-season the mets have this tendency to go ahead and acquire one guy when in reality
10:14he should have added at least one more and while i don't fault them for what the thought process was
10:20on paper this past year with freddie peralta again logistically it's it appeared to make sense um
10:26you know from a personality standpoint it appeared to make sense on paper with the numbers it appeared
10:30to make sense it just didn't work again from a small market to a big market and that's something to
10:35bear in mind here because when we look at what players the mets should go after and attempt to
10:39acquire you know there is a smorgasbord of options when we look at the trade market but the issue with
10:46the trade market because even like for example an ideal pick for me if you're going to go ahead via
10:50trade maybe say you don't sign scoble because i'm in agreement with you i think that he should be
10:54priority number one out of this as we get into the free agent market that goes without saying
10:59however though separately from that and the mets wanted to be unique in trades say they want to go after
11:06joe ryan who of course has been in trade conversations last couple years for the twins
11:10who's been very solid now the reason i say that is not just because of the derrick falvey hire because
11:15falvey knows him really well during his time in minneapolis as the pobo there but i also say this
11:20with an asterisk because i'm as i'm as i'm saying it while the connection would make logical sense and on
11:26paper makes logical sense it doesn't change the fact that it's another guy going from a small market to a
11:30big market so would the mets be shooting themselves in the foot yet again and they go ahead with that
11:35type of creative plan where they go acquire starter that's towards the end of their deal and then
11:40realize that oh that starter can't handle this market so because of that reason dexter i want
11:46terrick scoble and the other starter i would like add into this rotation one of don't need both because
11:52you already have got school but i want one of either clay homes reunion or a michael kane if he
11:58does in
11:58fact opt out um i think that that would be the most ideal scenario for the mets because you have
12:02this beautiful blend of veteran leadership of guys who have been in big games as soon as this year's
12:07postseason run and a blend with the young movement that you have in the mcleans and the idea of against
12:14schoolable working with zach thornton maybe working with a jonathan santucci and a guy like michael kane
12:20working on his game with noah mclean two guys who have been known for some nasty horizontal movement
12:25with their pitches you know like there's a lot of excitement there and the commonality as to why
12:31michael kane and clay homes makes sense is because of that big marketability of guys who have played in
12:37new york pitched in new york arrived in new york and enjoyed their time here i think that's a very
12:42important thing to recognize so scoble doesn't have that that that's my biggest concern with scoble
12:47with that north of 400 million dollar investment it's not just because of the natural you know
12:52deterioration for a guy now having already hit his peak in his career most likely but it's also
12:57someone who you can't say la's big market like it is in new york a sports fandom is so vastly
13:03different
13:04in la sports to new york i've seen it firsthand i've been around it firsthand and especially with
13:09the winning that the dodgers have had yes they always have high expectations but like it's harrick
13:14scoble didn't work out it's not like he's not going to be able to show his face the way he
13:18wouldn't
13:18be able to and then have it you know like if it was like a joey gallo situation that's what
13:23the
13:23reality would be so yeah all in all that that's kind of my stance on it and um i would
13:29definitely
13:29love to hear your thoughts on the matter as well no no so you you went to the two guys
13:35who i thought
13:36could be in that backup option but i love the fact that you're like let's go get two i do
13:41have a quick
13:41question for you before i share my thoughts if they are to play the game the way you would like
13:46them to
13:46play it warty and go get themselves two pitchers and be proactive your word of the year here
13:52would that in your mind does that include them bringing back sean mania or try to move on from
13:57him and you know maybe eat of eat as much as the 25 million that he's owed next year and
14:01just moving
14:02on is that is that part of your thought thought process if they're going to add another pitcher
14:06along with a tarik scoble if that's able to happen
14:11yeah i mean ideally you want to part with sean um obviously you want to get a trade partner for
14:18him
14:18so that way it's not a complete sunken cost at 25 million because there are arguments to be added
14:24where oh sean did have a solid second half this year went deep into games you know gave us around
14:29150 innings is that enough value to justify not just cutting the bait entirely and you can make that
14:35argument completely and that's why i think sean is the most unique case out of players who i don't
14:41anticipate to return next year but you know i think you can make the biggest argument with him over
14:46others now here's the thing though if you keep sean on this roster it likely less incentivizes someone
14:53like david stearns to be proactive enough and landing two starters instead of one yes even if the one
14:59starter is say a frontline starter while the other starter might be more of a back-end guy like let's
15:04say
15:04the mets got scoble and the other starter they had in mind was more of a number five a veteran
15:08or you know just someone that again would be kind of like a griffin canning type competing for a spot
15:12if you will um you know and really a placeholder before ton or sant santucci really runs away with it
15:19um you know even in that scenario uh there is obviously you know um that risk with what we were
15:26just
15:26saying so yeah no that that's that's pretty much where i'm at on it and um it's one of these
15:31things
15:31with sean where you love the personality you love how he is in the clubhouse you love how everyone
15:36around the team raves about him for the most part as a great teammate and you don't want to lose
15:40that
15:40type of culture however again this is a results-oriented business the mets have really sworn
15:47and missed with this contract with sean and i the first two years in i took him a number of
15:51months to
15:51get his velocity where i think most mets fans and himself wanted to see this year after uh deciding not
15:57surgery uh this past off season on loose bodies in his elbow so you know i think all in all
16:03if sean
16:04stays and that hinders the mets from being as proactive as he should be that will definitely
16:09bother me and i know it'll bother most of the fan base because it just feels like a foregone conclusion
16:13that we're going to see this be another year where maybe the one starter is looking good but they're
16:19still falling short because either sean is really missing the mark or maybe ton or santucci isn't
16:25developing the way that we're hoping you know it just it's always good to bolster your rotation
16:30i'd much rather the mets do that where they have a good problem on their hands and then maybe that
16:35entices them to trade one of their younger starters to get an interesting value in return to add to a
16:40greater area of need you know that's the type of thing that you want to do if you're the mets
16:44and how
16:45to position yourself for success and again i i know you heard this dex but in david stern's end of
16:51season presser he reiterated the importance on the mets to continue to add depth and how they
16:56essentially have been missing the mark on that in recent off seasons you know you can never have
17:01enough every time you think you're comfortable and this is me speaking you shouldn't be because
17:06you know in the snap of a finger two guys in that same position could go down with injury in
17:10a week
17:10and then oh my god just like that you shot yourself in the foot and you're relying on solely minor
17:15league options yeah i'll say this as as we wrap here i agree um i do think the depth is
17:21important
17:21and you want to not just rely on limited options flexibility is important as you just mentioned
17:26too with trades so i love the names you have brought up i love michael king clay holmes reunion wouldn't
17:31be bad for me either but i do think the mets have to look at definitely getting an ace but
17:35like you
17:35said i think it's a great point also making sure you add some depth as well let us know what
17:40you think
17:41in the comments what should the mets do what's your ideal rotation for the mets in 2027 should
17:47they go get a tarot scoobal should they add some other arms like wardy wants let us know in the
17:50comments and we will let you know what we think about all that that is a great tyler ward i'm
17:55dex family
17:56we'll catch you next time another edition of straight out of flushing peace
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