00:00I'm glad because if it was about to be like Aramario all of a sudden and I've been calling you
00:04this the whole time, I think we're done.
00:06Robert, Ben, congratulations on the show.
00:08Robert, congratulations on the incredible success of I Swear as well.
00:11I think it speaks volumes to your character that you didn't get up on stage at BAFTA and say,
00:14actually guys, it's Robert Arrameo.
00:17That annoyed me throughout the awards thing, but I'm sure you didn't care.
00:21Wow.
00:22It bothered me too.
00:23Wow.
00:24I never heard somebody say that, but it is, I mean, you know.
00:27Yeah, I suppose it is Arrameo.
00:28Google it.
00:29It's your name.
00:30I know, but it's like in Spain, I think they would say, I mean, I don't know.
00:33It's a Spanish name.
00:34You didn't win the BAFTA in Spain, did you?
00:36No, I didn't.
00:36Like, I know it doesn't matter, but every time it happened, every time they enacted it, it was like on
00:41all the news and all the videos online.
00:43Wait, tell you your last name.
00:46Arrameo.
00:47Yeah, exactly.
00:48Exactly.
00:49All right, good.
00:49I'm glad we played because if it was about to be like Aramario all of a sudden and I've been
00:53calling you this the whole time, I think we're done.
00:55And I would have had to edit out this whole story.
00:57Right, sorry, sorry, sorry.
00:59Oh, no, they were saying it right.
01:01Arrameo.
01:03Let's get on to Lord of the Rings, shall we?
01:04Five-year gap since the last series.
01:07A blink of an eye in Middle-earth terms, but a lot can happen with people at that time.
01:11Really enjoyed seeing the kind of emergence of warrior Elrond towards the end of Series 2.
01:16Can we expect a little bit more of that in this year?
01:18Has it been fun kind of expanding on his character in that way?
01:22Well, it was interesting, actually, because it is a more sort of diplomatic turn for him.
01:29But I remember when we went into the costume design at the beginning, there was a lot of talk about
01:34what he should wear this year, you know?
01:36And we landed on Arma, you know, like his sort of role this year is to use his best talent,
01:45which is his intellect and his mind and his planning and all that stuff.
01:49But there's still the war, you know, we're at war and anything could happen.
01:54It's, you know, it's dangerous place.
01:56Yeah, I mean, we're sleeping in it.
01:57Yeah.
01:58That's the level of threat.
01:59Yeah.
02:00Those of us that saw you in Game of Thrones have been, like, waiting for him to pick up a
02:03sword.
02:04About time.
02:05Would you get out there and just...
02:07Benjamin, over the course of the show, we've seen Gilgala have to, like, reckon with his own, like, frailty, the
02:13frailty of his people, as well, and his position as king.
02:16Can we expect to see a kind of more humbled version of him in this year, or is he more
02:20defiant than ever as the war escalates?
02:24I mean, that's the joy of playing the king, is that you get to do both.
02:28You know, the presentation of the king and also the way he behaves and functions within his cabinet.
02:35And, yeah, things aren't going well, but it's at those times that the best leaders among us and in literature
02:43really shine.
02:44And he has an opportunity to do that.
02:47But where we find him at the beginning of the season, I'm not sure how much you've seen.
02:51I've always seen the one episode so far.
02:53Well, he's really struggling with his own doctrine.
02:56And, you know, the principles of hope are slipping through his fingers.
03:00And these elves, in particular, have so much experience with the resurrection of evil that this is new.
03:09This is different.
03:10I bet it's exciting, though, because us fans in the book, like, Gilgala is such a great character.
03:15Yeah.
03:16There's, like, so much, like, more to see of him.
03:18Bloods are coming off this season.
03:20I really enjoyed hearing about how much you guys kind of threw yourselves into Middle Earth lore over the making
03:27of this.
03:27And I don't know how much of this is just online nonsense or real.
03:30But tell me about the Tolkien Club with Charlie.
03:34Yeah.
03:34Tolkien Club.
03:36Charlie, Markella, me, someone else.
03:39A few others.
03:41Yeah.
03:41Yeah.
03:42We just used to, because it was, like, we got to a point where we was reading that much that
03:45then we started to read Christopher Tolkien stuff.
03:50They went deep.
03:51Yeah.
03:51And, you know, you went deep.
03:55I feel like it's almost some shade.
03:57No, no, no.
03:58Envy.
03:58Envy.
03:59I mean, to be fair.
04:00You're really good on the law.
04:02You're really good on the law.
04:02I'm up to speed.
04:03I'm not, you know, I don't have the master's degree.
04:06But, you know, I enjoy it.
04:10Yeah.
04:10You abused yourself with it.
04:14And also, when we were around Tolkien Club, I was dead in full time.
04:18That's very true.
04:19That's very true.
04:19I'm going to use my children as my excuse.
04:22Which you can do.
04:23I can do now.
04:24Yeah.
04:25I tried to read the Summerillion, like, when I was very young.
04:27Good God.
04:28I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to that.
04:29Just get past them seeing the world into existence.
04:31Oh, please, God.
04:32I mean, it's like reading the Old Testament.
04:34Who be gat?
04:35Who be gat?
04:35Like, I'm, like, dog here in town.
04:37There'll be people watching this video going,
04:39like, guys, it's easy.
04:40Get involved.
04:40It's honestly, it's just intimidating when you read about all that's been sung into existence.
04:44But you move past that point.
04:45Yeah.
04:46All right.
04:46I will.
04:47Jump ahead.
04:47You're missing that.
04:48I will crack on.
04:49We'll catch up in 12 months' time for season four, hopefully.
04:52And we can do, we'll share some homework then.
04:54Yes.
04:55Guys, really enjoying the show.
04:56Love the direction this year.
04:58I want to see some battles.
04:59I want to see some darkness.
05:00I want to see you both kicking ass.
05:02And I'll catch you down the line.
05:04I want to see you both.
