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00:00नेता प्रतिपक्ष राहुल गांदी जल्द ही यूएस से जाएंगे वहाँ पर शिकागी उनिवसिटी और कॉलंबिया उनिवसिटी में वो अपना संभोधन
00:08करेंगे उनका ये दोरा उस समय पर आ रहा है जब हाल में ही अमरीका के राश्पती डॉनल्ड ट्रॉंप के
00:14हाथ से
00:15कॉंग्रिस और सेनेट दोनों जा चुके हैं और दुनिया भर के अंदर हम छात्रों का एक आप कह सकते हैं
00:22कि पदरशन और गुसा सरकों पर देख रहे हैं वजादावाद सीट करने के लिए मेरे साथ हैं इंजिन ओवर सीज
00:27कॉंग्रिस के अज्यक्ष साम पित्रोदा दन्य
00:34बाद मेरा पहला सवाल आप से यह है कि राहू गांदी जी की जो यह यात्रा है उसके अंदर बताया
00:41गया है कि वो दो यूनिवर्सिटीज में चात्रों को संबोदित करेंगे लेकिन हमने यह भी देखा है कि वो अकसर
00:47इंडियन डायस्पूरा की लोगों से मिलते हैं उन्हो
00:52इस बारी जो दोरा है वो फोटा रखा गया है या इस तरीके की पॉब्लिक इंगेश्मेंट नहीं है इस बारी
01:02सबसे पहले धन्यवाद पर इस उपरचुनिटी इस वग्ट टाइम कम है
01:11सो खाली यह दो मेंटींग रखी है वी विल हैं क्लोज दोर मीटिंग्स की आई ओसी के दो लीडर से
01:20हैं उनके साथ
01:22अच्छ दोर मीटिंग्स है एक है ब्रेकफस्ट चिकागो में अदूसरा है वी इस प्रफस्ट इस थो निवर्सिटीश इस तो इस
01:37तो इस इस तो इस थी इस तो इस तो इस थे इस थाएं
02:09आपने यह भी जिक्र किया मैं आखको पढ़ रहा था कि इस बार उंका जो संबोधन के जो मुखे जो
02:15अंश होंगे वो होंगे
02:17जो ग्लोबली जो चात्र प्रदोशन कर रहे हैं उसकी जो इंप्लिकेशन्स हैं या जो उसकी रेमिशिकेशन्स हैं उनको लेकर चर्चा
02:38करेगी
02:48ये इंडिया में अकेले में नहीं है ये है फ्रांस जर्मनी पोर्टुगल इसलोवाकिया इंडोनेशिया ये यंग लोग बेजिकली कहते हैं
03:07कि हमें आप जो दे रहे हैं वो मनजूद नहीं है
03:14सब देसों के पास बहुत सारा डेट है वो डेट कौन बढ़ेगा जब हम लोग चले जाएंगे तो डेट तो
03:23हमारे बच्चे और उनके बच्चे हमारे ग्रांचिल्डन बढ़ेंगे
03:27सो सब लोग यंग लोग समझ रहे हैं कि आप हमारे पे बड़ा डेट शोड़के जाते हैं
03:36हमारी education system आपने बिगाड़ दी है
03:40बहुत expensive है quality अच्छी नहीं है
03:45हमारे लिए jobs नहीं है
03:49हमारा जो भविश्य हमने सोचा था
03:54वो आप लोगों ने बिगाड़ दिया है
03:58तो globally सब यंग लोग अपने आप से
04:03not that they have spoken to each other
04:06but it is in the air
04:09so सब देश के बच्चों ने
04:13एक movement शुरू किये अपनी अपनी
04:16different background, different reason, different location
04:21but सब की आवाज
04:24भविश्य के लिए
04:26उठाई गई है
04:28के past
04:30you have failed us
04:34हमारे parents
04:35का past था
04:37वैसा past हमारा नहीं है
04:39मैं आपको एक example दूँ
04:40जब हमने पहला घर लिया
04:43अमेरिकान है
04:46late 60s में, early 70s में
04:49उसकी किमत थी 31,000 डॉलर्स
04:52उस वक्त हमारे तंखा भी वैसी थी कि we could afford
04:5931,000 डॉलर house
05:02आज के बच्चे
05:04cannot buy a house of their own
05:07because the prices are half a million
05:11तो वो कह रहे हैं कि हमारे parents का जो dream था
05:14ऐसा dream हम नहीं जी सकते
05:17many kids in America are living with their parents
05:22तो ये जो दुनिया भर में
05:25movement शुरू हुई है
05:27ये बहुत important moment है
05:29हमारी द्रस्टी से
05:31ये global movement है
05:34ये global voice है
05:35क्योंकि बच्चों को war नहीं चाहिए
05:39उन्हें peace चाहिए
05:40Samson आपने दो देशों का नाम नहीं लिया
05:42एक Nepal और एक Bangladesh
05:46और BJP का ये कहना है
05:50कि
05:50Rahul Gandhi और Congress की जो प्रेजना है
05:53या जो inspiration है
05:54वो जो इन्स्पिरेशन है
05:55वह किसी से प्रेजना में नहीं नहीं
05:57वी किसी से प्रेजना में नहीं नहीं
06:11सब्सक्राइब दो नहीं के जान देशना में
06:18और नेपाल, वो तो कुछ भी बोलते रहते हैं, तो मैं तो ध्यान नहीं दे सकता, उनके पर, वो कुछ
06:28भी कह सकते हैं,
06:31उनको तो बोलना है ना, कुछ भी,
06:34The point is, we are the largest democracy in the world.
06:40We have the largest population of young people in the world.
06:45So we have moral responsibility.
06:49आप जो जरा सोचिये, तो आपको पता चलेगा कि,
06:54For Bhavishya, the only country who has workforce is India.
07:03बहुत सारे countries are aging, including China.
07:08Their population is decreasing.
07:11Look at Japan, schools are closing.
07:13Look at Italy, schools are closing.
07:16In India, population is young and increasing still.
07:23So, हमारा ही जो असेत है,
07:29It's a workforce for the world, not just for India.
07:34So when there is a conversation on future of children,
07:40It is a conversation on future of Indian children.
07:44आप जिस तरह को इशारा कर रहे हैं,
07:46Sam साब, उसी बात को राहूल गांदी बार बार कहते हैं,
07:49कि देश जो है, वो हिंदू-मुस्लिम की बाइनेरी से अब निकल रहा है,
07:52और एक नहीं लड़ाई है,
07:55Those who have,
07:56और those who have not के बीच में,
07:58जो ये आई है,
07:59उसको लेकर अबार ये संगर्श होगा,
08:01और वो ये भी कहते हैं, कि सरकान एक साल से जारा चले ही नहीं,
08:03आप ये मनते हैं, सरकान नहीं चले ही एक साल.
08:06देखिये, बैव उचना कहूंगा,
08:09कि आज कल के बच्चो,
08:13are not worried about religion.
08:16They can hold hand with a Muslim,
08:19Christian,
08:20Sikh,
08:21walk in peace and harmony.
08:23And I am very proud of them,
08:26because of that.
08:28Okay.
08:29कि दे,
08:33believe in secularism.
08:36They believe in peace.
08:38They don't want war.
08:40They believe in education.
08:42They believe in employment.
08:45They believe in environment.
08:48You know, they are very concerned about global warming.
08:53So, ये
08:56youth population
08:59is demanding something that we have not been able to deliver.
09:04उन्हें इंटरेस्ट नहीं है,
09:06टेंपल बनाने में बहुत.
09:10उन्हें इंटरेस्ट है,
09:11स्कूल बनाईये.
09:14जॉब क्रिये करिये.
09:16So, I think that is the modern India that we need to recognize.
09:22And that's what they are telling us on the street.
09:24So, Samajji has said.
09:26And they are smart.
09:27I am telling you,
09:29these kids are very smart.
09:32Okay.
09:33I have seen them on the street.
09:34The way they talk,
09:35the way they articulate,
09:37the look,
09:38the instrument they use.
09:39It's amazing.
09:41We didn't have that.
09:43because their brain is wired very differently.
09:47See, my brain was wired with water buffalo,
09:51cow,
09:52okay,
09:54kutta on the street.
09:57When I was growing up,
09:59that's all you had.
10:00No electricity,
10:02no running water,
10:03no toilets.
10:05That's how my brain was wired.
10:08Their brain is wired with iPhone,
10:12internet,
10:13computers,
10:15looking at the whole world.
10:18So, it's a different way of looking at it.
10:21Okay.
10:22So, you can't compare ourselves with them.
10:25Their reflexes are too fast.
10:27So, we got to create world for them.
10:56So, voices have to be raised
10:58in a different way in India.
11:01But, ultimately,
11:02we don't want violence.
11:05We are not a country of violence.
11:07कही या कुछ जला दिया वो जला दिया ठीक है.
11:10Lakin, not mass-scale violence.
11:14Okay.
11:15So, I am proud of the fact that our
11:18young people
11:20are not violent.
11:23I respect that.
11:25Our police also,
11:27leaving aside
11:27few examples here and there,
11:30are pretty
11:31sensible.
11:33Okay.
11:34I respect them.
11:35They have been
11:36under a lot of pressure
11:37from top
11:39and bottom.
11:42but they do a good job.
11:44Okay.
12:04And then, we'll get a chance to speak
12:11on what is happening in America and all that.
12:13we are not meeting anybody
12:15we don't have time
12:18but it's
12:19good for him also
12:21to a little
12:22free time to think about global issues
12:25पर जो ये
12:27कहते हैं साफ्वन सर्च को
12:29जो एक तरीके से आपके से रिसीडिंग
12:31आप देख रहे हैं पूरी दुनिया अरके अंदर
12:34आप इस्रेल का
12:35इसापर उठा सकते हैं
12:37USA का उठा सकते हैं
12:38तो कही लोगों का मानना है कि भारत में भी ये रिफलेक्ट कर रहा है और करे कर सकता है
12:43आने वाले समय के अंदर
12:44I think so, I think so, I think so
12:48I think
12:49everywhere you will see more
12:51democracy
12:53everywhere you will see people's participation
12:55increase, authoritarian regimes
12:58will get
12:59affected
13:00ये जो
13:02top-down approach है
13:04is not workable
13:06डिके, democracy is important
13:08to empower people
13:12authoritarian regime
13:13suppresses people
13:16authoritarian regime क्या है
13:18की, we will control institutions
13:21if you don't follow
13:22my guidelines, I'll send after you
13:23ED and
13:25you know, CID and whatever
13:27police and harass you
13:29that's authoritarian regime
13:32rather than saying
13:33I'll listen to you
13:34I will work with you. So authoritarian regime says I will control institutions, judiciary,
13:41police, security, university will have my vice chancellor. I will select the kind of
13:49thinking universities have. I will tell universities not to have this course or that course. I
13:56will tell universities you are too liberal. That is authoritarian. Second, I will not
14:02allow civil society to function. I'll tell them you are getting money from abroad. I'll
14:08investigate their income tax forms and I'll suffocate them. Three, I will control media.
14:18Media will only sing my song. I am the boss. I am the greatest. I am the world's problem
14:25solver. I am the guru of the world and nobody knows anything. I am the one ultimately. Everybody
14:31does not matter. Sablok talibaja when I come. Sablok fulbishav when I come. But I won't
14:40talk to press. I won't interact with them. I am too important to be interacting with them
14:46because they are public. That is the authoritarian attitude. And young people are saying, wait
14:54a minute, wait a minute. That's not what I signed up for in democracy. I signed up for
15:01you to serve me. Not rule me. I am not your Praja. Okay. I am your public. You are not
15:11my
15:12Raja. You are my servant. That is the message young people are giving. Okay. That we have
15:23lost track. I am not saying only to Indian government. I am saying it to all governments
15:37that democracy ultimately will win. You know, we saw that in thirties with Hitler. There is no
15:50comparison. But look at the end point. And this journey of authoritarian regime is going
16:01to be short lived. Okay. And US results have shown that. And Brazil results showed that.
16:09Okay. That people want. But in the process we lost 10-15 years. Okay. That's how many
16:19of us see. But then there is a difference in view. Some people think we need authoritarian
16:26regime. Some people think religion is the only thing that matters. Some people think that we
16:33we must divide people. Okay. And we think we cannot divide people. So it's a fight of ideology.
16:53I will treat you equal. You may be eating beef. You may be praying in Gurdwara. You may have
17:05Jesus Christ as your God. That's okay. Perfectly all right. Normal. You are my neighbor.
17:10You are my brother. You are my cousin. Okay. We all came from ultimately Africa. Let's not forget
17:17that. Human race came from Africa. We are all connected. You and I are also connected in some
17:26way some hundred generations ago. Okay. So how can I see you as a different human being?
17:35You know. I got to respect you. I got to listen to you. And I may meet you only for
17:4010 minutes,
17:4120 minutes, one hour. Why create Jagda with you? You know, I would be nice to you, love you,
17:47care for you. I may never see you in my life again. So what is the problem in talking about
17:54our differences? Let's talk about our agreements. And leave our differences aside.
18:10Okay. It's okay not to agree. But you have to respect. There's a big difference. Okay. Just
18:20because you and I don't agree doesn't mean we fight. We hate. We don't have tea together. We can't walk
18:27together. Okay. It's okay for you to disagree. I respect that disagreement. Okay. The problem
18:37begins there. Okay. That we begin to take it personally.
18:45I think that's right.
18:48Okay.
18:53Okay.
19:00Yeah.
19:03Yeah.
19:05Okay.
19:05करेंगे और फिर दीजे भी को मौका मिलेगा बूलने का
19:08वो तो ऐसा है कि देखिए
19:11इंडिया
19:13रंस
19:13on four words in many
19:15ways. मान
19:18अपमान, सौमान
19:19and अभिमान.
19:23ओके
19:25वो लगे पड़े हैं सब का हमारा आपने
19:27अपमान नहीं दिया मुझे हमारा अपमान किया हमें
19:29सौमान नहीं दिया है क्या है ये
19:31because we have very fragile
19:33self-esteem
19:35we get hurt very easily
19:37we are waiting to be
19:39hurt
19:47nobody is capable
19:49of insulting India
19:51India is too big
19:53India has been around for
19:55thousands of years
19:56we come and go, who are we?
19:58little dot
20:00how can you hurt a nation of
20:021.5 billion people
20:03with so many languages
20:06so many cultures
20:07music, dance, food
20:09ये क्या बात कर रहे है आप लोग पागल कितारा कि
20:12देश का अपमान किया
20:15आपको आपका अपमान लगता होगा
20:17because you have a problem
20:19because you are ready to be hurt
20:23देश is not ready to be hurt
20:26the problem is with you
20:28that you feel
20:30this is hurt
20:31because you are hurt
20:33so have a big heart
20:36it's okay to talk frankly
20:38openly
20:39I can go and tell people
20:40that we have lots of poverty in India
20:42I can tell people
20:43that our rivers are dirty
20:45I can tell people
20:46that the air in Delhi
20:49is bad
20:51okay
20:51why can't I tell all this
20:53tell me
20:55it doesn't mean
20:56I am speaking bad of India
20:59I am telling you facts
21:03okay
21:04one last question sir
21:07तमाम लुक जानते हैं
21:08कि आपने राजीव गांदी जी के साथ में
21:11अभी किताब आई है
21:12बिलॉंगिंग
21:13आप शायद आपको पड़ पाए होंगे
21:16उस किताब को लेकर बड़ी चर्चा है देश के अंदर
21:19बड़ा कौतूहल है
21:20आप कह सकते हैं
21:22और
21:23कॉंग्रिस की तरफ से तो आप जानते हैं
21:25लेकिन डीजिती का ये आरोप है
21:26है कि वाइट वॉशिंग की जा रही है
21:28और सेल्फ ग्लॉरिफिकेशन है
21:30विद हाफ बेक स्टोरी
21:31आप जो है
21:33अपना आपने जो शब्द इसमाल किया
21:35स्वाभी मान अपना जो है
21:38बस वो कर रहे हैं
21:39वो तो सब हर्ट हो जाते हैं ना
21:42everybody is ready to be hurt
21:45आप कुछ आप चले तो भूले
21:46हम हर्ट हो गए आप इधर को चले
21:48उदर चलना ता आपको
21:51सबसे पहले समझे
21:53कि ये किताब
21:54Sonia Gandhi की किताब है
21:56she is the author
21:59she has the right
22:00to include what she wants to include
22:03and what she doesn't
22:04want to include
22:06she doesn't have to listen to you
22:09about what
22:10to include how to say it
22:12that's her privilege
22:13if you want to write a book
22:14you write your own book
22:16who is preventing you
22:17from writing your own book
22:21but when I write a book
22:23I'm going to talk about myself
22:25because that's
22:26now you can call it
22:27you know I wrote this book
22:29about my life
22:31published in 2015
22:33now it has to be my life
22:36it can't be your life
22:38it can't be my wife's life
22:40so now you can say
22:41it is slap glorification
22:43okay but if I'm talking about
22:45my life I will tell you
22:46where I was born
22:46what was my father like
22:48what was my mother like
22:49where did I go to college
22:50and you may find in there
22:52that I'm telling you
22:54something you don't like
22:56you are hurt
22:58I got a good job
22:59you are hurt
23:00I got a big prize
23:01you are hurt
23:02so what do I do
23:04what do I do
23:05I understand
23:08okay
23:09I want to talk to you
23:10I want to talk to you
23:11Sam Shahab
23:11about this
23:12I want to talk to you
23:14about this
23:15देश का पहला किसान कॉंकले भारत अग्रिकुल्चर कॉंफरेंस दो हजार चब्वीस
23:20ग्यारह से बारह नवंबर भारत मंदपम न्यू डेली
23:23स्मार्ट किसान फॉर विकसित भारत