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Οι προτεραιότητες της ΕΕ στο «The Ring» με δύο ευρωβουλευτές

Σε αυτήν την έκδοση της εκπομπής μας, οι ευρωβουλευτές Μπενεντέτα Σκουντέρι (Πράσινοι, Ιταλία) και Μάρκους Φέρμπερ (ΕΛΚ, Γερμανία) συζητούν πρόσωπο με πρόσωπο το καθοριστικό ζήτημα στην ΕΕ.

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05:01και το Παιδείο είναι πίεδο πίεθαμε.
05:03Οι κάνει διαδικατήμα του οικονομικούς είναι το για αυτό που πρόκειται από τα φωνά μας να μπορούν να εαφασίσω με
05:11την Ευρωπαϊκή.
05:12Ή αυτό είναι η ηθιστική ενδιαφέση που αντιμούνται από την Ελλάδα.
05:14Ή είναι πίεσο πολύς πίεδες χώρες γιατί επίπεδο, προσπαθούσταν από τονίγες και τις βοηθήσεις.
05:20Ή that's what means making our energy prices high, and that's what we need to invest.
05:23Είναι αυτό το οποίο συνδέχουμε και μ'μφανταστικές επιτοσμενές,
05:26αυτά πρέπει να Racρήσετε από το ππλήκο.
05:28μαντράβεται ΜΟΟΡΕΛΚΛΛΛΛΛΛΕ.
05:31Ετός να δείξουμε τίποτα μικρά πόλικά, αλλά πρέπει να πρέπει να η ΦΟΟΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛ.
05:34Δεν πειξουν να ρυθέουμε τους προσπίσεις μία σχέση.
05:38Μπορείται για ε研究 με την περιοσσότερη εργαλεγγία.
05:39Ξέσουν μεγάλες χωριστά από τα πράγματα,
05:42που δεν θα εμφανίξει σε αυτό που θα κάνει καλύτερα.
05:45Και να χρειάζουμε αυτό.
05:46Και το δύσκολο είναι οι δυοχείες.
05:48Ποιο μπορούν να κάνουν τα δυοχείες.
05:50Ήταν η δυοχείες και πρέπει να εμπλαμβάνει τα,
05:54εμφανίσουμε τα και να κάνουμε το καλύτερο.
05:57Δηλαδή, πρέπει να πρέπει να δείξουμε ότι οι δυοχείες που χρειάζονται
06:01είναι κάθε μέρος, σε κάθε στραγμό της Ευρώπης.
06:04Συμφανίσεις σε δυοχείο, αυτό ναι, πρέπει να μου έμπρεπε.
06:07Μακρουσ.
06:07Μακρουσ.
06:08Η πρόβλημα είναι που είναι στραγμό για ποιο.
06:10Και δεν μπορούμε να ουσιαστώ ότι κάθε πρόβλημα στην Ευρώπη
06:12πρέπει να είναι δυοχείς από την Ευρώπη.
06:13Εμείς χρειάζονταν τα στραγμό Ημία, στραγμό,
06:17ο κοινωνικής φορία, όλα αυτά, είναι κοινωνική πόλης
06:20και οδήποτε είναι η τρομή της ίδισης.
06:22Αν την άλλη σπίστηση είναι η εξάρτηση.
06:36Επίσης, όμως, όμως, έχουμε μόνο νεοκοσμούς στην Ευρωπαϊκή Ένωση, έχουμε ένα πρόβλημα.
06:41Οπότε, όμως, όμως, οι ευρωπαϊκές να προσφέρουμε την εργασία για την εργασία.
06:45Αυτό δεν θα δίνει μόνο από φωτοβουλτάκες και αυτοί.
06:48Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, όμως, χρειάζουμε άλλες σώσεις.
06:50Αυτό είναι αυτό που δεν υπήρχονται για το μόνο,
06:52γιατί έχουμε πολύ βιοκρατικό πρόβλημα για αυτήν την εργασία,
06:55και όμως για ένα βίντεο, στην Ελλάδα, χρειάζει ένα χρόνο για να γίνει το αλλαγόνιο για να δίνει το βίντεο.
07:01Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, είμαστε δύσκολοί από τα δύσκολα.
07:04Okay, Benedetta, η απλήτηση.
07:06Επίσης, ότι πρέπει να προσφέρουμε τις προσφέρουσες μας,
07:09την προσφέρουσή μας.
07:10Αυτό που δεν είναι στους ομιβούς, γιατί δεν είναι στους εργασίες.
07:15Ομιβούς, από παιδί, δεν είναι στους αυτοίς.
07:18Είναι στους αυτοίς.
07:25Ευχαριστώ.
07:27ουσιακό νέα, είναι μουλτινάσια στους ταξιάιστες.
07:30Ε内 departed.
07:31Είναι αυτό ciao να μήνουν ôμνιβούς.
07:33Ενμένα μέσα σε όμ Hod targeted cevander quando βεύση Κυβάστηση.
07:37Δεν έχω εMER byτανapolis στην ομ상을 τεμ 힘�τυ büyσετες αυτοίς.
07:42ΈNever έκαよね.
07:43Τώρα που έχουμε αλλαγές inπầnλέ sweater,
07:47στονέγμα nächsten κομισμένων.
07:48Στο που θέλουν είναι αυτοί ήμουν να ανυτ��ερυτεί στο σπίγetts.
07:52Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, που ήταν για αυτοί και οι Ευρώις έπρεπε.
07:56Αυτό είναι ότι αυτοί είναι για τα δασκάμενα, δεν χρειάζεται για τα δημιουργία,
08:03χρειάεται για το αυτό που θέλουμε, όπως βάζονται, όπως βίντευνο άνθρωποι, όπως αυτοί και σαρρή.
08:08Είχαμε να χρειάζεται για τα δημιουργία.
08:10Ωραία, Λαρή.
08:11Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή.
08:22Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή, Λαρή,
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10:55Ωραία, φινλάδι.
10:57Ωραία, υπέροχασή.
10:59Αυτό που έχουμε για χρόνια.
11:00Αν έχουμε υπέροχασία, δεν θα έχουμε...
11:03Αν θέλετε όσο καλύτερα, μπορούμε να δεύσουμε τη συζήτηση.
11:05Δεν θα είναι η μία τυράση.
11:09Μακρουσ, θέλω να κάνω την ερώτηση.
11:11Μακρουσ, θέλω να κάνω την ίδια πρώτη.
11:12Ναι, αυτό που θέλω να κάνω.
11:14Ευχαριστώ ότι έχω την ευκολία.
11:15Η Βρήνη, την οικονομική κλήματος, ΡΡΗΜΑ,
11:19πιστεύω την προγραμματικότητα,
11:30από 5 χρόνια, και έχουμε, για παράδειγμα, η υπόλοι AUTHORWAVE, που είναι από 35 χρόνια,
11:36και πολλές πράγματα έχουν αλλάξει, ότι έχουμε να δημιουργήσουμε αυτά,
11:39και αυτό δεν είναι ένα σχέδιο αντιμετωπή, αλλά πραγματικά να προσθέσεις σε μια νέα σημεία.
11:46Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, ότι προσθέσεις σε μια νέα σημεία θα είναι πολύ καλύτερα,
11:49αν δούμε τι είναι η σημεία, αλλά όμως η ΕΠΠΑ δεν προσθέσεις την κοινωνία.
11:54Εθνώς η ΕΠΠΑ, αντιμετωπίωμα, δεν μπορείς να κάνουμε κάτι.
11:57Ακτονί αποφθέσεις σε μια νέα σημεία αντιμετωπή.
12:03Προσθέσεις που δεν θα κάνουν εντάδειμονές, δεν θα κάνουν αυτομα μετωπτικά.
12:10Αυτή η ΕΠΑ-ΤΩΤΕ.
12:16Δεν θα συμπέθ grues.
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15:06για αυτό and therefore we have to make it cheaper,
15:08and therefore Europe can play a role.
15:10Okay, Marcus, one last question to Benedetta.
15:12One last question to Benedetta in this round.
15:14Yeah, so if we speak about autonomy and stuff like that,
15:18I think we have to speak about trade agreements as well.
15:20How Europe can create a rule-based world
15:24with trade partners around the globe.
15:26And I was wondering why, for example, the Green Group
15:29was voting against the Mercosur Agreement with the far right,
15:33και έδωσε το κόρδο του πρόεδρου,
15:36δεν έδωσε το ρευθύνει.
15:38Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE.
15:39Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE,
15:39είναι η ίδια σωστά για τις δημές που χρειάζονται
15:41και οι Ελληνες που θέλουν.
15:43Είναι φωτονικό,
15:44δίνεται από την ΕΠΠΗ μου.
15:46Δεν φύγει.
15:47Δεν μαζε τα μεγράφωνα.
15:49Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE.
15:49Ο ίδιος madre myiotε.
15:51Δεν είχαν δε συναισθήκοντας την ημερασία
15:59για να μου Έξω σέψαφανα για την ελληνική φόλη,
16:01και προσπαθαίνουν να μας καθέψελούν
16:02Δεν είχαν εξάγοντας τον εφημερισία
16:04που Ελλάδα σχεδίζει μια συγκεκριμένηρισμή
16:10που ήταν αγωνιωμένος που είχε να κοινήσει αυτό το μες τους Υπότιτλοι AUTHORWAVE, ότι είναι αυτοί που θα δημιουργήσει μας.
16:18Τι να συμβάσεις τα ευκαιορώπους.
16:21Αν ποιο πανένα σου ζωήκανε.
16:23Αν ποιο πανένας ζητήρας, δύο πανένας.
16:25Αν ποιο πανένας, διεύτερον.
16:25Ωραία, κόμουν να είχε να είχατε όσα είπα.
16:28Αν το είπαμε πανένα, ότι είπαμε πανένας πανένας.
16:30Ευχαριστώ.
16:31Είχε δύο πανένας.
16:40ότι από να το κάνω και ότι δεν είχα και εννοίω αυτό που είμαι γι'ίρισκό,
16:44οπότε δεν καθέραν είναι κατά π 1977.
16:45Ενώ προσπαθήσω, 25 χρόνια είναι κατά από τηνillä...
16:50Επίσης, είναι 25 χρόνια.
16:52Εγώ την βήμαξα για να κάνεις τέτοιμμανο και έχεις τέτοιμμα για αφού.
16:56Δεν έχεις τέτοιμμα για τα άμεσα εδώ.
16:58Δεν έχεις τέτοιμμα για τα άμεσα στο άμεσα.
17:00Δεν έχεις τέτοιμμα για οι φάρμοι.
17:03Και όταν είναι για να κάνω για την ένωση για το φάρκ Didiaー
17:07δαίκτυα είναι δευμένη με τελευταία.
17:10Δεν έχω δίκτυα με τελευταίες σύνονες με το τελευταίο,
17:14γιατί μεzięμιζάνει με σύνοδεξη από τη διαφορεσία,
17:18που δίκτυα destructive νομίζει.
17:20Δεύχει τη διεύχεια για το διευμένοι.
17:23Δηκτυαμίξει τη δικαιοδοσία, γιατί αυτό το διατηγορεύει.
17:26Είναι δίκτυατική παράψη.
17:33Διακτυαμίξει την αντίοχη, και χωρίς συνδέχεια.
17:36That is a fair trade agreement, sorry.
17:38We've got to take a break here.
17:39Thank you very much so far to our guest.
17:42That's it for now on The Ring.
17:45Stay with us here on Euronews.
17:56Welcome to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show.
17:59I'm Stefan Grobet.
18:00I'm joined by two members of the European Parliament,
18:03Benedetta Scuderia from the Italian Greece
18:05and Markus Verberg, Christian Democrat from Germany.
18:08Today we debated the political and legislative priorities of the EU
18:13and we discussed whether Brussels is addressing the issues that matter to people, to European citizens.
18:20Now, what is important to Europeans?
18:22What are their worries?
18:23What are their demands?
18:25And here we have two recent Eurobarometer surveys
18:28that give a pretty good picture of what people are thinking.
18:31When asked what should the European Parliament prioritize,
18:35inflation, rising prices and cost of living, 47% say that almost half of the population.
18:43When it comes to the economy and job creation, it's 35%
18:47and a little less, 34% say it's EU defense and security.
18:52And when asked how the EU's budget should be allocated,
18:56employment, social affairs and public health comes in on top.
19:0141%, a little less, 38% say security and defense.
19:06And finally, 33% say the money should be allocated for education, training, youth, culture and media, go figure.
19:16So, the issue of inflation and increased cost of living is on top of the list.
19:22Not really surprising.
19:23Is the EU, are European governments doing enough to bring prices down and protect households and businesses?
19:30Markus, I'm going to start with you.
19:31Yeah, the fight on the inflation is a responsibility of the European Central Bank, to be very honest.
19:37It's not something we can do as politicians.
19:40It has to be price stability as a mandate of the European Central Bank.
19:44And in my capacity as a member of the Econ Committee, we are in direct exchange with Christine Lagarde.
19:50And I hope, as she has resigned, we will get someone who will really fight against inflation in the years
19:55to come.
19:55Because that will be a key issue.
19:57And therefore, we have to do, as I said before, some investments to reduce the costs,
20:03as we have high demands and low supply that is increasing costs and prices.
20:06Right.
20:07Benelida, we've been hearing these complaints about the high cost of living for quite some time now.
20:14But yet nothing has changed, nothing tangible has changed for European households, families and businesses.
20:22What's wrong here?
20:23I really think Europe should do a step up and should take a big part into this.
20:28Because I'm a federalist and I believe that Europe has to have a big role into the well-being of
20:33people.
20:34And that's why we are asking for more social investments.
20:37That's why we're asking for investments in housing.
20:39That's why we're asking for investment in energy.
20:41Because what is driving up the prices?
20:44Yeah, it's inflation, can be the central bank.
20:46But what is driving up inflation is the energy prices a lot.
20:51What is driving up the prices is the rent prices and so on and so forth.
20:55If we don't do investments into these things, then nothing is going to change for people.
20:59And I really think that the European Parliament should step up and should be clear in what is our direction.
21:07And that's why I was saying at the beginning, this work program is not clearly going into this direction.
21:11And the budget of the European Union is not really going into this direction.
21:14The moment of crisis we're living now, we are even thinking about decreasing the current budget.
21:21That is like pennies at the moment.
21:24I think we need to step up.
21:25You mentioned the EU budget.
21:27We have these heated talks going on for quite some time, probably until the end of the year.
21:32What should the EU budget focus on, Marcus?
21:36What are the topics?
21:38Of course, it's not only one.
21:39If you would have colleagues from the Agri-Committee, from agriculture policy, they would say, yes, it's very important to
21:45be resilient in the food supply and in the production.
21:49If you have people from Pura region, they would say regional policy is key.
21:53Cohesion policy is key.
21:55If you ask me, coming from Germany, I say research and innovation is key.
22:00So we have to prioritize, of course, if we have limited resources.
22:04And sorry, the budget, the public budgets have limited resources on national level and on European level.
22:10But to be very clear, as we have for the moment, 1.1 percent of the GDP.
22:15That's our budget.
22:16If we increase the GDP, we have more resources.
22:19So I think growth, competitiveness is a key element, even to have more resources available to fulfill all the obligations
22:26people are asking from the European Union.
22:28OK.
22:29What about security and defense?
22:30How do we reconcile this with limited resources, as Marcus said?
22:35And now we need to spend more on defense.
22:37I first want to say that I'm a bit tired of this fairy tale of the market and the growth
22:42and everything is going to be fine.
22:44And in the meantime, people are going to be dead and starving.
22:47This is what is happening.
22:48If we wait for this growth that will come eventually and will save us all because the GDP is going
22:53to increase and then we're going to increase the budget, then our people are going to starve.
22:57They don't want this.
23:00They can't keep up anymore.
23:03So the point is we have resources.
23:05It's not true that we don't have resources because look at the money.
23:08Money is very much going to very big pockets of very small amount of people.
23:15So the point is, are we strong enough to take resources from who has the resources?
23:21Because billionaires, because huge profits are increasing and increasing and increasing.
23:26These equalities are increasing and increasing.
23:27What we are telling to the people that now cannot afford to pay for the shop, for the grocery, we
23:34are telling them, sorry, let's make them richer.
23:37The 1% of the population, the 0.1% of the population richer.
23:40So maybe at some point with the tickle down, we all be richer.
23:44We say that's this for a century now.
23:46And what is happening is that inequalities are just increasing and people are worse.
23:51So maybe now it's time to say to the people, to 99%, sorry, we were wrong.
23:57We want to take the money from the smallest part of the population that has the billions, from the huge
24:02profits of who is actually damaging our planet.
24:05Now, in that situation that you just described, sorry, in that situation that you just described, it makes it even
24:11tougher to increase defense and military spending.
24:15How do we reconcile this?
24:17I think we need to look at security as a broader thing when we talk about security.
24:23And one of the problems of the politics today in Europe and in many of our member states is that
24:29we look at security only as weapons.
24:31And if we think that we're going to be more secure just buying more weapons, then this is not the
24:37answer.
24:38We need to look at security as resilience.
24:40We need to look at security as digital cyber security.
24:43And I think these days are really telling us this.
24:45We need to look at security, also security from climate events.
24:49Like security is really a broader concept.
24:51And we need to increase our budget to be able to spend money on security as a broader content and
24:59on all the other priorities,
25:00because they are also extremely important.
25:02And the survey showed it.
25:03We cannot take from one to give to the other because that will not work.
25:07Okay.
25:08Marcus, I'll give you the floor.
25:09Once we've reached the next round, as it's time to move on and go to round number four.
25:20And this brings us to our quote of the week today from the EU Commissioner for Economy and Productivity, Valdis
25:27Dombrovskis.
25:27He said recently, and I quote,
25:30In 2027, we will go further in tackling unnecessary burdens and addressing implementation gaps in areas such as transport, housing
25:39and digital and accelerating permitting.
25:42Our goal is clear, less red tape and complexity for citizens and more scope for businesses to invest, innovate and
25:50grow.
25:51Marcus, you've heard the commissioner.
25:54Do you agree with him?
25:55Yes, it's the right agenda, because as we have a lack of investment, as we have a lack of productivity
26:02growth, we have to invest in the new technologies.
26:06And of course, we have to invest in decarbonization.
26:08That's why energy is key.
26:10If you want to decarbonize by electrification and you want to have investments in AI, for example, you need more
26:18electricity than in the past.
26:20And we don't have that at the moment, and we have to do it sustainable, so therefore huge investments are
26:25needed and possibilities to do the investments.
26:29And that's why bureaucratic burden are one of the key elements we are confronted with on the European level.
26:34And there we have to find a solution, but as well on member states, on regional level, because at the
26:39end, for the entrepreneurs, for the local authorities,
26:43it's a huge bulk of bureaucracy burdens coming from each political level.
26:48So we have to deliver, but member states and regions as well.
26:51Where do you draw the line between deregulation and sort of less spending, less benefits for people like families, people
27:03who benefit from the current?
27:06Deregulation, maybe the wrong word, is simplification.
27:08Make it easier, make it simpler, not make it less burdensome in the sense of misusing nature, misusing water,
27:18misusing animal protection, biodiversity or whatever, even social systems.
27:23So simplification is the right answer.
27:26And that is one of the key problems.
27:27Inside the commission, you have silos of different general directories who do not know what the other is doing.
27:33But at the end, all this stuff comes to the people, comes to the local authorities, comes to the entrepreneurs.
27:40And to get rid of these things, to achieve the main goals, but to simplify it, I think that is
27:47a key element.
27:47And the other thing is, of course, to create an environment where foreign investments will take place in the European
27:52Union as well.
27:53There we have really a lack.
27:55And that is what we have to address.
27:57Okay.
27:57Beneta, simplification, as Marco said.
27:59Is that a concept you could adhere to?
28:03Absolutely.
28:03When simplification is simplification, we are all in as Greens.
28:08We want to be faster on the transition.
28:11But we need to be knowing where we're going, so not just step backwards into our goals.
28:16Because it's important also for investments, not just to simplify, but to give a clear direction,
28:22which now is a bit unsure in this European Union.
28:25We need to simplify the bureaucratic processes, and we need to simplify, more than simplify, to make efficient and more
28:33united what the Commission is doing and what the territories are doing.
28:36What I'm wondering, though, is that why EPP is not doing this?
28:40Because you're running the European Commission.
28:42I wasn't using EPP.
28:43You're running the Parliament.
28:45I mean, the EPP has been the President of the Commission for the last seven years and a half now.
28:50And in this Parliament, you're the biggest group.
28:53So why is this not happening?
28:55Why the Commission has not reformed?
28:56Because actually, the Commission now is even more divided into silos.
29:00It's even more complicated.
29:01Why are you not talking more with the territories?
29:03Why there's no more efficiencies?
29:04Like, I am wondering why this is not happening already, because we are all agreeing.
29:09The problem is that sometimes, behind the simplification, there's no difference in the bureaucratic process, but there's a lot of
29:17difference in the rules.
29:18And who is paying the price is local communities and nature.
29:21And this is the problem.
29:22Yeah.
29:23Sorry, it's not the EPP problem.
29:24To be very clear, it's a problem of the institution itself.
29:27Even in the Parliament, you are sitting in the E3, I'm sitting in the Econ.
29:31When have we negotiated something, although we are dealing with roundabout the same things?
29:35Yeah.
29:36We do macroeconomic tools, you do industry policy, but there's a lot of interlinkage.
29:41We never discuss it.
29:42You make your legislation, the competitiveness fund, for example, Econ is fully out.
29:46Although there are a lot of things, state aid rules, we are responsible, competition rules, we are responsible, tax rules,
29:52we are responsible.
29:53You don't take care, so don't blame EPP.
29:55EPP, it's a system problem which you are not addressing because you are misusing the system.
30:00That is what the Greens are doing.
30:02You live with this system because you can develop things which are really harming us.
30:07Do no significant harm is harming us, is harming investments.
30:10You invented it and brought it to all committees and to all realities.
30:14The question is, how do we get out of this?
30:16It's not EPP, it's the Greens who disturb it.
30:18You both describe the same problem maybe from a different perspective.
30:22So my question is, how do we get out of this?
30:23How do we get out of a system that you describe as way too cumbersome, too bureaucratic and to the
30:31detriment of the people?
30:33I think Europe should focus on the main issues which really are European issues and not a Christmas tree with
30:40promises to everyone and everything because we have local authorities with their responsibility.
30:46I come from a federal, state, regional authorities with their competences, the national level and the European level.
30:52If we focus on the really big things on the European level, we will have the support by the citizens
30:57and we will be able to deliver what is really demanded.
31:00So Parliament and Council are co-legislators, right?
31:04What happens if MEPs refuse to dilute legislation that the Commission wants to simplify?
31:13First of all, let me thank Marcus for the esteem he has in the Greens.
31:19We are the third smallest group in the Parliament and we are managing to decide the agenda of the whole
31:27European Union.
31:27We are the socialists, liberals and the left.
31:29It's an incredible result.
31:31I am so amazed to be part of this group, you know?
31:34Like, they are the biggest party in the Parliament.
31:37They have the majority of the governments and they have the president of the Commission.
31:41But who is harming Europe is the decision of the Greens that are set in the agenda.
31:45This is an incredible achievement.
31:46But that is what happened in the last period with the majority, with the socialists, Renew and communists.
31:51Sorry, that is what you did to deforestation with five votes ahead.
31:56Do not significant harm is an incredibly important principle that I thank the Greens to it.
32:02If it's really because of the Greens, I thank the Greens to excess, not because I'm part of it,
32:07but because it's an incredibly important principle that I'm sorry, but was taken on also from your president of the
32:12Commission.
32:13I want to remember, it's an EPP from Germany and she wanted it in.
32:17So, and this is actually supporting nature, supporting the people, because it's saying,
32:22how can you say, do not significant harm is harming us.
32:26If it's harming, you should not do it.
32:28And that is the basis of the principle.
32:30You brought it in with five votes, majority in the period.
32:33Sorry.
32:34Guys, I think there's disagreement.
32:37Fair enough, right, on this point.
32:39And I thank you for that.
32:41On that note, we can close this point as it is time to move on to our fifth and final
32:46round.
32:50As we want to do something different, I'm going to ask you a set of questions
32:56and you can only answer with a yes or no.
33:00Okay.
33:01So, has the political center lost control of the political agenda,
33:06of the European agenda to the far right and the populists?
33:11Yes.
33:13Markus?
33:14No, of course not.
33:15Okay.
33:17Should defense spending take priority over climate spending?
33:21That's not the issue, sorry.
33:24Climate spending is a European responsibility.
33:26Defense, for the moment, is a national one.
33:27Yes, but now we have a defense commissioner and somebody in general.
33:31Yeah, in general, it's not so easy to answer as we don't have European projects.
33:34I would love to have European projects to finance, not to finance national budgets.
33:39Okay.
33:39So, in that case, we are responsible for climate, not for defense.
33:43Okay.
33:44Actually, we have the ECF, the majority of it is going into defense and a minority is going
33:49for climate.
33:49So, we have already the answer where the direction is going.
33:52And I would say, no, it should not take over the climate.
33:56Okay, good.
33:57That's right.
33:58Next one.
33:59Does Europe need a bigger EU budget?
34:01Absolutely, yes.
34:03No, more focused.
34:05Okay.
34:06Should the EU abandon its 2040 climate ambitions if they undermine competitiveness?
34:13Absolutely, no.
34:14We have to achieve both, yes.
34:16Should member states be allowed to run bigger deficits to invest in defense?
34:21No.
34:22Defense, no.
34:23Okay.
34:25Climate protection, no as well.
34:27Is common European debt necessary?
34:30Absolutely, yes.
34:32No.
34:32It transfers only the cost to another source, which is not able to pay.
34:37Should agricultural subsidies be cut to finance European security?
34:41Only a little bit.
34:43I don't think, no.
34:45And last one.
34:47Is the EU doing enough to convince younger Europeans that the European project offers
34:52them a better future?
34:53Unfortunately, no at the moment.
34:56I think the EU is really pro-European and we should help them to continue being so.
35:02Okay.
35:02On that note, thank you very much.
35:05And that brings us to the end of this strong edition of The Ring.
35:10Thanks again to Benedetta Scuderi and Markus Faber for a lively conversation here from the
35:15European Parliament.
35:16Thanks to our audience at home.
35:18If you like, you can continue the conversation by sending us your comments to thering at
35:24euronews.com.
35:25We'd love to have your feedback.
35:27That's it for today.
35:28I'm Stefan Grobe.
35:29Take care and see you soon here on Euronews.
35:32And so on.
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35:42We'll see you soon.

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