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وزير خارجية تايلاند يحذر من تفكك النظام الدولي القائم على القواعد ويدعو لإحياء التعددية

تايلاند تعد «منطقة آمنة جيوسياسيًا» «في عالم نشهد فيه انهيار النظام الدولي القائم على القواعد»، كما يقول نائب رئيس الوزراء ووزير الخارجية التايلاندي لأيورونيوز في مقابلة مطولة في بانكوك.

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02:35and maybe it goes one way
02:38and the other party might not like it
02:41but we hope that they will respect us
02:46for having made that decision
02:48rather than sitting on the wall, sitting on the fence.
02:52China is Thailand's biggest trading partner.
02:55How can that come into play, that diplomacy
02:58when it is affecting your economics of the country?
03:01Well, both, if you were talking about China and the United States
03:05both are important to Thailand.
03:10China is a major economic partner.
03:13It's our biggest trading partner.
03:16Investment from China is growing
03:19especially in electric vehicles
03:23as you know.
03:25The United States also has a lot of investment in Thailand.
03:29At the same time
03:33the United States is important
03:35in terms of the security role
03:39that it plays in maintaining the balance of power.
03:41Yes.
03:42So, you know,
03:43for both countries
03:46both countries are important partners of Thailand
03:49but I think the best way to maintain a balance
03:54is to have, first, maintain strategic autonomy
03:58as much as we can.
04:00Yes.
04:01Second, have the freedom of choices.
04:05That means, you know, it's not one or the other.
04:07We have other major powers
04:10who have interest in the region.
04:12India, rising power.
04:15Japan, still an economic powerhouse.
04:18Korea, you know, coming up economically.
04:22And Australia,
04:24which also has strong interest in the region.
04:27So, sometimes balancing doesn't mean balancing
04:30between the two, right?
04:33And we are trying to engage constructively
04:35with all the two superpowers
04:38and also the other major powers
04:40who also play a vital role in the region.
04:45You have described ASEAN,
04:48which is the Association of Southeast Asian Nations,
04:51as being at the heart
04:53of your country's foreign policy.
04:55but the region is facing pressure
04:57from the U.S. and China rivalry.
04:59There's the situation in Myanmar.
05:02Tensions between its own members.
05:04Do you think ASEAN is strong enough
05:06to shape events
05:07as opposed to being reactive to them here?
05:11Well, you know,
05:12I've been in the foreign ministry for 40 years.
05:15Yes.
05:15I've seen, you know,
05:17how important ASEAN is
05:19to all the member states.
05:21We were able to overcome
05:23many critical periods
05:25in the past
05:26because we had ASEAN
05:27during the Cold War,
05:29during the conflict in Cambodia, right?
05:32So, all of us recognize
05:34that we're in this together.
05:37Yes.
05:38Right?
05:38Maybe during the good days,
05:41you know,
05:41when the situation is not like now,
05:44we forgot about that a little bit, right?
05:47Well, I think we realize that
05:49now that we're confronted
05:51with many challenges,
05:54we have to really pull our strength.
05:58And, you know,
05:59the concept of ASEAN centrality
06:02is still there,
06:03but maybe we have to take it further
06:06and enhance that concept,
06:09meaning that we have to raise
06:10the level of our regionalism.
06:12That's important
06:13because if we simply think about
06:15our national interests,
06:16it's going to be difficult
06:17for us to pull our weight, right?
06:19Second, we must be resilient.
06:22Resilient in terms of
06:23making sure that we,
06:26you know,
06:27we can react to situations quickly.
06:29Yes.
06:30You know,
06:30we still have this principle
06:31consensus takes time,
06:32but we have to do things
06:34more quickly.
06:34Second,
06:35being resilient these days
06:37is economically,
06:39it's also important.
06:40and we are a market
06:41of 700 million people.
06:43We are integrating,
06:45but we're not in,
06:46we have not integrated enough.
06:48You mentioned Cambodia there.
06:49What is the situation
06:51and how are relations
06:52at the moment?
06:53Well, you know,
06:55we want to get beyond
06:56the conflict
06:57between our two countries.
07:00And, you know,
07:01two countries
07:01living side by side,
07:03we need to live together.
07:05Yes.
07:05But live together
07:07in a basis of mutual respect,
07:10mutual trust,
07:11and mutual confidence.
07:12Yes.
07:13And that is the basis
07:15for us to develop
07:16our relations.
07:17And certainly,
07:18we cannot do it
07:19on our part.
07:21We want to,
07:22we hope that the Cambodian
07:24would, you know,
07:26join us in this effort.
07:27We want to rebuild
07:28our relations.
07:30But rebuilding
07:31also means that
07:32we have to,
07:33you know,
07:34put a stop
07:35with some of the,
07:36what we see
07:37as acts of provocation,
07:40especially in the
07:41international forums
07:42where, you know,
07:44Thailand seems to be
07:45targeted all the time
07:47on matters
07:48that are not related
07:49to the issues
07:50that we are dealing with.
07:52So, we are,
07:54you know, ready.
07:55And anytime that
07:57the Cambodian side
07:58is ready,
07:59I'm sure we can take
08:00our relationship forward.
08:01You and the Prime Minister
08:03have advocated
08:04calibrated re-engagement,
08:07gradually re-integrating
08:10Myanmar into
08:11ASEAN dialogue.
08:13Some critics
08:14would argue
08:15that engaging
08:16with Myanmar's
08:17authorities
08:18risks
08:19legitimizing them.
08:20Why do you believe
08:22that engagement
08:24is the best
08:25strategy for Thailand?
08:27Well, those critics,
08:29it's easy
08:30to criticize
08:31when you're not
08:32the neighboring
08:32country of Myanmar.
08:35For us,
08:36it's not an
08:36academic exercise.
08:38You know,
08:39we deal with
08:39the situation
08:40in Myanmar
08:41every day
08:41for the past five years
08:43along our border.
08:45Right?
08:45And they've
08:46had election,
08:47not a perfect
08:48election,
08:49but we believe
08:50that they must
08:51continue
08:51with the peace
08:53process
08:53and continue
08:54having talks
08:56with the opposition
08:57ethnic group.
08:58So,
08:58opposition is clear
08:59that under
09:00this policy
09:01of recalibrated
09:02engagement,
09:03re-engagement,
09:04that means we want
09:05to bring Myanmar
09:06back to ASEAN.
09:07Yeah.
09:07But it takes,
09:08it has to be
09:09a step-by-step
09:10effort and they
09:11have to respond
09:12positively to
09:14our concern
09:15as well.
09:16But a Myanmar
09:17that is isolated
09:19from ASEAN
09:20is also not
09:21good in terms
09:22of geopolitics.
09:23Right.
09:24And our approach
09:25is first,
09:26definitely,
09:27you know,
09:27any neighboring
09:28country,
09:29you have to deal
09:30with the border
09:31issues,
09:32border trade,
09:33border security,
09:34scam,
09:36operations.
09:37Yes.
09:37drugs,
09:39pollution in the
09:40waters,
09:40in the sky.
09:41We have to talk
09:42with the government
09:43in Nebunau.
09:44But the other track,
09:46that means the
09:47situation,
09:48we have not
09:48abandoned our
09:50hope that they
09:51will move forward.
09:53And we have,
09:54you know,
09:54conveyed these
09:55messages all along.
09:57And,
09:58but in the end,
10:00it's up to them.
10:01It's up to them
10:02to make things work.
10:04It's up to them
10:05to move forward
10:06with peace
10:06with dialogue.
10:08So ultimately,
10:10it has to be
10:11a Myanmar-led,
10:12Myanmar-owned
10:14process inside
10:15the country.
10:16We've talked
10:16about neighboring
10:18countries in the
10:19region here,
10:20but looking further
10:21afield,
10:22how are you
10:23engaging
10:24more actively
10:26with partners
10:26in the EU,
10:28the UK,
10:29Australia,
10:30you know,
10:31further afield
10:31as Canada?
10:32You know,
10:33we live in a world
10:34where we see
10:35the rules-based
10:36international order
10:38breaking down.
10:39The multilateral
10:40trading system
10:41on which we
10:43depended so much
10:44also breaking down.
10:46Right.
10:46Or not working.
10:48And it's not just
10:49us looking at
10:51these partners,
10:52it's these partners
10:53looking at us
10:54as well.
10:54The Indo-Pacific
10:56is probably
10:57where we see
10:58much of the
10:59opportunities
11:00in trade investment.
11:01And ASEAN
11:02is one of the
11:04pillars of the
11:05Indo-Pacific.
11:06And so,
11:07I think there's
11:07a strong degree
11:09of mutual desire
11:10on both,
11:11on the part
11:12of these countries
11:13and on the part
11:14of Thailand
11:14and ASEAN
11:15to enhance
11:16our relations.
11:16How can Thailand
11:18make sure
11:19that it
11:21attracts investment
11:22from,
11:23you know,
11:24around the world
11:25so that you're
11:25not dependent
11:26on just one market?
11:27Well,
11:28first of all,
11:29as I mentioned,
11:30we're in a region
11:31that is
11:31very dynamic
11:33economically.
11:34I see 700 million
11:36people.
11:37But we're not,
11:40you know,
11:40we recognize
11:41that it's up
11:41to us as well
11:43to make ourselves
11:44attractive
11:45for investment.
11:47I have to accept
11:48that the past
11:48few years,
11:49I think we,
11:51because of,
11:52you know,
11:52our politics
11:53had not settled down,
11:54we could not push
11:55through some of
11:56the reforms
11:57that are needed.
11:59Now,
11:59you know,
12:00we're doing
12:00a lot of restructuring,
12:02reform,
12:02the economy,
12:03deregulation,
12:04and also we're moving
12:06towards the new industries.
12:07I think one important
12:08consideration that
12:09those who are
12:10coming to invest,
12:11they think of,
12:12of course,
12:13the region,
12:14the market,
12:15and now,
12:16is clean energy.
12:19Yes.
12:19Everybody talks
12:20about clean energy,
12:21the new industry,
12:22because they want,
12:23and so Thailand,
12:24you know,
12:25we're very much engaged
12:26in trying to develop
12:28our sources
12:29of clean energy,
12:30not just with Thailand,
12:32you know,
12:32we're working with Laos
12:34on hydropower,
12:35and also my prime minister
12:38was in Singapore recently,
12:40we talk about
12:41another clean energy hub
12:43involved in Singapore,
12:44Malaysia,
12:44and Thailand.
12:45So we're trying
12:46to also make
12:47ourselves attractive
12:48to foreign investors.
12:51We're seeing
12:52a lot of supply chains
12:54becoming increasingly
12:56reorganized around the world.
12:58Is Thailand ready
12:59to adjust to those
13:01as they change?
13:02Definitely.
13:03I think everybody
13:04talks about supply chains
13:06these days
13:07are not about cost.
13:08It's about resilience.
13:10Yes.
13:11Resilience against
13:12against all kinds
13:13of risks.
13:14And I know one thing,
13:15in my recent discussion
13:17with leaders of government,
13:21leaders of the private sector,
13:23they're looking at the region
13:26and looking at Thailand
13:27because in addition
13:29to our economic potential,
13:32we're also considered
13:33to be a place
13:34where we're
13:36a strict
13:37geopolitically
13:38safe zone
13:39right now.
13:40And that's why
13:41it's essential
13:42for us
13:44to maintain
13:44peace
13:45and stability
13:46in the region.
13:48And I'm sure
13:50that many
13:51supply chains,
13:52this is uppermost
13:53in their consideration
13:54when they think
13:55about realignment.
13:57With household
13:58debt sitting
13:59at 60%
14:00GDP,
14:02an aging
14:02and also
14:03rapidly shrinking
14:04workforce,
14:05how does Thailand
14:07move forwards
14:08and seize this
14:08moment
14:09to forge a path
14:11with economic
14:12certainty?
14:13Well,
14:14every country
14:15has its
14:16challenges
14:16and these
14:18are Thailand's
14:19challenges.
14:20How do we
14:20approach
14:21with,
14:23you know,
14:23we approach it
14:24with a sense
14:24of can-do
14:25attitude.
14:26I think we can
14:27resolve
14:28some of these
14:29challenges
14:30because,
14:31you know,
14:32right now
14:33we've been
14:34given an upgrade
14:35by all the
14:36rating agencies.
14:38So we're
14:39handling
14:39our macro
14:40economic
14:41situation.
14:42And we're
14:43mindful that
14:44we need to
14:45do some
14:46of the
14:46stimulus measures.
14:47The impact
14:48from the
14:48Middle East
14:49crisis is still
14:50with us.
14:51But at the
14:51same time,
14:52we're mindful
14:52that we
14:53cannot go
14:54beyond a
14:54certain
14:55ceiling.
14:56And secondly,
14:57we have to
14:58try to rely
14:59on domestic
15:00sources of
15:02borrowing as
15:03much as
15:03possible.
15:05And the
15:06other,
15:09we're an
15:10aging society.
15:11We have to
15:12ensure that
15:13those who
15:15are the
15:16retirees
15:17are not
15:17retiring.
15:18They still
15:18have means
15:19to earn a
15:20living.
15:21We have
15:22programs so
15:23that they
15:23can up
15:24skill or
15:25re-skill.
15:26And also
15:27for the
15:27young people,
15:28it's also
15:29essential that
15:30they also
15:30develop the
15:31skills that
15:31are needed
15:32in this
15:33age of
15:34digital economy,
15:35AI.
15:36What would
15:37you like
15:37Thailand's
15:38global role
15:40to look
15:40like in
15:41five to
15:42ten years
15:42from now?
15:44Well,
15:45Thailand,
15:46I think
15:46everybody
15:47considers
15:47Thailand
15:48a nice
15:49friendly
15:50country.
15:50You still
15:51want to be
15:52that nice
15:53friendly
15:54country,
15:54welcoming
15:55to foreign
15:57visitors,
15:58having all
16:00these attractions,
16:00Thai food.
16:02but at
16:03the same
16:03time,
16:04we cannot
16:05be sitting
16:06still.
16:06We have
16:07to modernize,
16:08we have
16:09to make
16:10sure that
16:10our economy
16:12remains
16:12dynamic,
16:13and that
16:14requires a
16:15lot of
16:15reform and
16:15restructuring.
16:16We want
16:17to be
16:17seen as
16:18not just
16:19a nice
16:20country,
16:21but also
16:22a dynamic
16:23country.
16:23But most
16:24importantly,
16:24we want
16:25to be
16:25seen as
16:26a responsible
16:27country.
16:27That means
16:28not just
16:29thinking of
16:29ourselves,
16:30thinking
16:31of the
16:32world,
16:33thinking of
16:33the
16:34international
16:34community,
16:35how we
16:36can
16:36contribute
16:37to making
16:37the world
16:38peaceful,
16:39better,
16:40and safer
16:40place.
16:41We talk
16:42about
16:43global
16:44communities
16:44and governments
16:45coming
16:45together.
16:46What do
16:47you think
16:48is the
16:48first
16:49priority
16:50which
16:51people need
16:51to address
16:52to make
16:53the world
16:53a better
16:53place?
16:54First,
16:55let's get
16:55the rule-based
16:56international
16:57system
16:57back on
16:58track.
16:59We need
16:59international
17:00cooperation
17:01because we
17:01face so
17:02many
17:02challenges.
17:03Nobody
17:04can go
17:04alone.
17:05That's
17:06the first
17:06thing,
17:07to restore
17:09multilateralism.
17:10Second,
17:11of course,
17:12there are
17:12immediate
17:13challenges
17:13like climate
17:14change.
17:15We don't
17:16know what
17:17is the
17:18next black
17:18swan,
17:19when
17:20another
17:20pandemic
17:21will happen.
17:22But our
17:23main concern
17:24right now
17:24is the
17:25threats
17:26coming from
17:28cyberspace.
17:29and these
17:30are
17:31transnational
17:32crimes
17:32of all
17:33sorts.
17:34But our
17:35main concern
17:35right now
17:36is the
17:38threat of
17:38online
17:39scams.
17:40And this
17:41region,
17:42we have to
17:43admit,
17:43is the
17:44center.
17:44Thank you so
17:45much for
17:45joining us
17:45on the
17:46World
17:46Conversation
17:46on
17:47Euronews
17:47today.
17:47What a
17:47pleasure to
17:48meet you.
17:48Thank you
17:49very much.
17:49Thank you.

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