00:00Indonesia's political landscape has been rocked by a series of developments,
00:05including the departure of Vice President Gibran Rakabuming Raka
00:08and allegations of illegal wiretapping involving President Prabowo Subianto.
00:14These developments have fueled speculations about a possible rift between Prabowo
00:19and his predecessor Joko Widodo.
00:22But political analyst Dr. Wawan Masudi from Gajah Mada University says
00:27the political fallout is unlikely to seriously disrupt Indonesia's overall stability
00:33as the tensions remain largely confined to the political elites.
00:40Actually, it is the conflict among political elites in Indonesia,
00:45not the conflict between, for example, people's power and the government.
00:51So, actually, this conflict happening in an elite circle among political parties,
00:58among kind of political patron in Indonesia.
01:02So, while this situation is not involving the people's power,
01:07it seems the impact on the political stability in general will be under control.
01:12But in terms of the government stability, it will be quite a big question.
01:19Why people after this will fight for or bring into the debate on who will be the Vice President?
01:27Whether the Vice President will come from the opposition parties, for example, from BTIP,
01:33or from the internal of the coalition, either from Garindra, my President's parties,
01:42or whether from other parties like a Democrat, or coming from a different background,
01:49for example, the technocrat or the professional.
01:53So, it really depends on the elite calculation and the discussion among the political elite after this.
02:02But in terms of the political stability in general, whether this will shock all the countries or not,
02:09it will, it won't, because it doesn't involve any kind of people's power.
02:16Meanwhile, the alleged wiretapping of President Prabowo has added another layer of uncertainty
02:21to Indonesia's political landscape.
02:23The controversy has drawn attention to former police chief Litsyo Sigit Prabowo,
02:28who has long-standing ties to Joko Widodo.
02:31This has fueled speculation about a possible link between the wiretapping incident
02:36and the wider political development surrounding Gibran,
02:39although Dr. Wawan says any such connection remains unclear.
02:44Well, at the same time, we know that there is wiretapping,
02:47or we call in Indonesia Litsyo Kid.
02:51Yeah, why Litsyo Kid, because, you know, this is the most senior police officer,
02:58almost in this last seven years, six or seven years,
03:02and this wiretapping is shocking the Indonesian politics as well, yeah,
03:06because, you know, they use this wiretapping for a political reason,
03:11and it seems that President Prabowo are so mad because of this one.
03:14So, actually, if we see the big run, it seems there is no connection,
03:19but it can be connected.
03:21Why it can be connected?
03:22Since the Litsyo, Sigit Litsyo, the former chief of police in Indonesia,
03:30he has a quite close connection with former President Joko Widodo,
03:35not only because he became the chief of police under the appointment of President Joko at that time,
03:44but also his long relation with him when he was as mayor in Solo.
03:50So, I mean, public in general are really aware that there is still a connection
03:54between Litsyo and also former President Joko Widodo.
03:59So, I mean, but whether these two things are really connected or not,
04:04we are still uncertain.
