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00:00गोवा के growth model में अगर किसी का हिस्सा होगा तो यहां के entrepreneurs और एक बड़ी community जो गोवा
00:07में आज यहां पर है उनका भी बहुत बड़ा हिस्सा होगा
00:10आम तोर पर गोवा को देखने के बाद टूरीजम की आदा आती है लेकिन उसके आगे भी गोवा है और
00:15उसके अलावा भी बहुत सारा गोवा है तो उस पर हम बात करेंगे चर्चा करेंगे कि यह विकसित गोवा का
00:20सपना इनकी मदद के साथ में कैसे पूरा होगा
00:23मेरे साथ तीन बड़े मेहमान मेरे साथ है मेरे साथ अउदू टिमलो यहां पर जोड़ेंगे तो चैर्मन है फॉर्मेंटो ग्रूप
00:30के और उसके साथ साथ मैं उन्हें रिक्वेस्ट करता हूँ कि आप स्टेज पर आएं प्रतिमा धोन है प्रेसिडेंट है
00:36गोवा चेंबर
00:59गोवा सरकार ने एक अमबिशिस टार्गेट रखा हुआ है और वह अमबिशिस में इसलिए कह रहा हूँ क्योंकि प्रधान मंत्री
01:05कहते हैं कि दूजार सहतालीस तक हम विकसिद भारत बनाएंगे और गोवा के मुख्या मंत्री कहते हैं कि 2037 तक
01:14ही हम विकसिद गोवा बना �
01:15अपेंगे इतने साल से आप गोवा को देक रहे हैं गोवा के राज्य की प्रगती को देख रहे हैं गोवा
01:21के राज्य को देख रहे हैं क्या यह अचीविबल टार्गेट है आपके हिसाब से इतना प्रैक्टिकल है आचीफ करना
01:27है
01:29Old of conditions apply for is kind of targets you know internationally you have to look
01:35at the price of oil, the trade deficit that India is facing continuously, very, very high
01:42interest rates from the point of view of government borrowings.
01:47Earlier one speaker made an assessment that 50,000 crores is Rhin, Manjit debt.
01:55Rhin is a very, it's not a favorable word in Sanskrit or Hindi thought.
02:03and even Kunkuni also means don't do it.
02:08Goa government continues to borrow, not today, it's been happening over decades.
02:13It has touched, they said 40,000 crores, I say more than 50.
02:18Earlier speaker said 50, but what is more important is whereas the advanced economies are borrowing
02:24at near 0%, 2%, 3%, it was announced last month that Goa government has just borrowed 2,000
02:32crores at market rate.
02:33Let me tell you, when a government borrows at market rate, it is a financial disaster.
02:40So under the financial climate, I don't think all these targets are achievable.
02:44First set your finances right, balance your sheet.
02:51The balance sheet is not balanced?
02:53It was continuously not balanced, but the imbalance is going higher and higher.
02:57But how would the industry participate in this?
03:01The dream of Vikasid Goa of 2037, how will industry participate in this?
03:08What model you are looking for from the government?
03:12If government sets its finances right, the industry will take care of itself.
03:17No amount of incentives or ladly Lakshmi's, all this will necessary.
03:23So please set your house in order.
03:25Industry will take care of itself.
03:27That's the whole culture of industry that let us be and we will take care of ourselves.
03:36So don't want the government to, I'll do this, I'll do this.
03:40Please don't do anything.
03:41Just set your house in order.
03:44But Goa normally, if we see, historically, there are two big industries in Goa.
03:48One is mining and the other is tourism.
03:50Now in the two industries.
03:51Mining was stopped in 2012.
03:53Mining has stopped and that is the biggest problem today in Goa.
03:56The problem of unemployment is because of that, you think the government will take care of it.
04:0072,000 families were thrown under the bus overnight.
04:05That is, one third of Goa became unemployed in September 2012.
04:12No one talks about it.
04:15Why did mining start in Goa?
04:18How it continued?
04:20How it was stopped?
04:22Why it was stopped?
04:24And why it cannot be restarted?
04:26So efficiently or if at all.
04:31So why it was stopped?
04:33How it was stopped?
04:35It's a very sad chapter for Goa.
04:38I cannot imagine in current times, economic times, anywhere, there's such a mass, one stock unemployment was created.
04:4872,000 families were earning in a dignified manner 4,000 crores a year.
04:55But is there a conflict between environmentalist and industrialist on the issue of mining?
05:01And how will you solve the conflict?
05:02Conflicts exist.
05:04The conflicts even have another dimension to it called a judiciary.
05:10Didn't expect such injustice from the Supreme Court from time to time.
05:15The judges were saying mining is bad.
05:19Mining is to be stopped.
05:22Well, mining can be improved.
05:25Just like when you need a bypass or I need a bypass.
05:29You don't stop my heart.
05:31The skill lies in doing open heart surgery, keeping the heart running.
05:36That's the worst situation.
05:38There are many other ways of improving your health.
05:41But not to stop your body.
06:05I can say that yes, mining has stopped and it has created a big,
06:12void in our industries.
06:14But as far as industries are concerned, if we are, if our industrialists are given free
06:20hand, that ease of doing business, which we are, we say it on paper that it has been done
06:25to achieve to certain extent.
06:27But then still, that is on paper, I feel, some of it.
06:30And it has to go ahead that they should give some, it should be one window clearance.
06:37Everything has, it takes time.
06:40Any, any, any, this, I mean, the viable licenses and all which have to be renewed.
06:48Inko toh bahut daya lagta hai.
06:51It takes months together and then it remains in the, businesses can't do that way.
06:56They have to have, you know, fast, the decisions have to be taken fast and then only the industries
07:01can improve.
07:02We can have, other than in tourism, which is our main industry, now we cannot say mining
07:08is our main industry, but tourism, yes.
07:11Tourism we have been seeing only beaches and sun, sand, all that.
07:14Yes.
07:15But now we have to take other parts as well of tourism, like wellness or tourism in hinterlands.
07:21Hinterland tourism also is one very important thing.
07:25And other than that, we have got pharma, which is doing very well in Goa.
07:29And we cannot have big industries because our land parcel is very small.
07:34So we have to concentrate on industries which are, which will give us good returns, but in
07:42a small way.
07:43But we, we should, even government, we can, we would like to be in with the government
07:48to give the jobs to our people because it is very difficult to give jobs.
07:51Why do you think there is a gap?
07:53Why do you think there is a gap?
07:54Why do you think this gap is a gap?
07:54Because the speaker of the first speaker, they were telling us, they were telling us, they
07:58were telling us that the government is being filled with jobs, JSDP growth, if we
08:03see it, it's one of the fastest growing state in the country.
08:10But on the other hand, unemployment, which is local unemployment, that is also the same
08:15way.
08:15The 8.3% unemployment rate is so helpful for Goa.
08:18के लिए कितना हमफुल है क्या आपको लगता है कि इसमें सरकार के तरफ से और इंडिस्ट्री के तरफ से
08:24कुछ किया जा साथ?
08:25I think the government is trying to give jobs and the industry as well.
08:29But there is a gap between the working, the people who are working in the industries.
08:35उनके जोब के बारे में और the people who come out of the institutions,
08:40educational institutions, don't have the skills that they can work.
08:45आप लोकल पॉपुलिछिशन वरसे बाहर से आने वालो पॉपुलिशन भाहर से आना तो बाहर से तो पॉपुलिशन लाना पदा है
08:50जब हमारे लोग उतने
08:52skills नहीं होते है.
08:53So, for that we are also trying through our GCCI to have skill development and if the government is also
09:00trying then they should we are ready to partner with them to have these industry, these students who are coming
09:06out freshly from the educational department, educational institutions.
09:11we want to give them skills
09:13I mean try to make them
09:15skilled so that they can work in this industry
09:17before I go to Jack
09:18आप दोनों से मुझे पूछना है सर
09:20कि Goa for Go Ons ये स्लोगन पिछले चुनाव में ने सुना था
09:24Goa for Go Ons
09:25Goa में Goa के लोगों को जॉब्स होने चाहिए
09:27Goa में अगर Uber या
09:30बैसी इंडस्री जाती है
09:31तो लोकल उसका विरोध काफी होता है
09:34टूरिजम में तो ये Goa for Go Ons
09:36Goa में Goa के लोगों के लिए
09:37जॉब्स होने चाहिए क्या ये अचीवेबल
09:40बात है या ये हो पाएगा या
09:41या यू थिंग आट जो मैडम कह रहे थी
09:43कि
09:45skilled में दिक्कत है और इसी के वज़े से
09:47हमें बाहर से टालेंट लाना पड़ता है
09:50I think
09:51talent is a marketplace situation
09:53if
09:55if
09:57wherever it pays more there will be a
09:59movement of the labor market
10:02Goa ones for
10:03decades went to Bombay in search of job
10:05they got the jobs
10:06they still go
10:08and
10:10Goa ones have gone to Karachi
10:11Goa ones have gone to East Africa
10:13there are Goa ones in the UK
10:15with a Portuguese passport
10:16there are
10:17Swindon that is in London
10:19and there are Goans everywhere
10:21the Goans went to Portugal
10:23we even produced one
10:24son of Goa as a prime minister of Portugal
10:27who is now the president of EU
10:28so this
10:32diaspora
10:33is
10:34is
10:35quite common to Goa
10:37Goa is not insular at all
10:40so to say that
10:41I don't want
10:43people from outside Goa
10:45it's not part
10:47being part of
10:47this
10:48full subcontinent of India
10:50is
10:51not achievable
10:53just by saying so
10:54and people can
10:56raise this voice
10:57and
10:58maybe attract a few votes
10:59but I think the reality says
11:01that talent will flow
11:04as per the market demand
11:06Pratima ji
11:07yeah that's what
11:08I feel that
11:09if we
11:10we should not stop others
11:12from coming in
11:12because we are all
11:13after all we are all Indians
11:14but
11:15but we have to try
11:17to give jobs to this
11:18our local people
11:19but we cannot say that
11:21we have to give
11:22we cannot force
11:23the industries to
11:24give jobs to them
11:25if they are not ready
11:26for the jobs
11:27that way it is happening
11:28Jack
11:30I'll read
11:31a report of
11:32economic survey
11:33and
11:34usmein
11:34jo numbers
11:35diye gaythe
11:35ki total tourist
11:36arrived
11:37arrival in
11:38Goa
11:39in 2025
11:39was
11:40108
11:42lakh
11:43which includes
11:44102
11:44domestic
11:45tourists
11:45and
11:455.18 lakh
11:47foreign tourists
11:48there is a
11:50robust
11:51sectoral growth
11:52here
11:52and also
11:52the report
11:53mentions that
11:54most significant
11:55surge occurred
11:55in 2022
11:57that is plus
11:58115 percent
11:59which clearly shows
12:00that
12:02this sector
12:02is showing growth
12:03year by year
12:04especially the
12:05tourism
12:05travel and tourism
12:07sector
12:07you think
12:08this is what
12:09is going to drive
12:10the Goa economy
12:11even today
12:12and what changes
12:13you are expecting
12:13in this
12:14with the help
12:15of the government
12:17especially with
12:18respect to the
12:18infrastructure
12:19and as madam
12:20was mentioning
12:21ki one window
12:21clearance
12:22and rest of the
12:23things
12:24so when you
12:25you gave those
12:25numbers
12:26there are two
12:26numbers
12:27you gave
12:27one was
12:28domestic
12:28tourists
12:29the second
12:29was
12:30international
12:30tourists
12:31right
12:31so for a
12:32long time
12:33since the
12:34late 80s
12:35Goa was
12:36largely an
12:36international
12:37destination
12:37I mean
12:38you had
12:38charter tourists
12:39who would
12:39come for
12:40two three
12:40weeks
12:41and these
12:42sort of
12:42tourists
12:43largely
12:43sustained
12:44local
12:44small
12:45entrepreneurs
12:45of course
12:46big chains
12:46also came
12:47international
12:47tourists
12:48sustained
12:48the local
12:49entrepreneurs
12:49yes
12:49because they
12:50were basically
12:50looking for
12:51local culture
12:52just the
12:52beach
12:53and there
12:53were a lot
12:54of
12:54so when you
12:55see this
12:55numbers
12:55growth
12:57in terms
12:57of
12:58domestic
12:58tourists
12:59it's either
12:59been at
13:00the very
13:00high end
13:01that is
13:01five star
13:01hotels
13:02which Mr.
13:02Timla is
13:03in and
13:03others
13:044045
13:04of those
13:05exist in
13:06Goa with
13:06around 5000
13:07rooms
13:08and with
13:09people who
13:09can have
13:10massive
13:11conventions
13:11like this
13:12hotel or
13:12Mr.
13:12Timla's
13:13hotel and
13:13others
13:14and it
13:15has been
13:16at the
13:16lower end
13:16which
13:17lower mid
13:18end
13:18which is
13:19largely
13:19being driven
13:19by the
13:20airbnb market
13:21now which
13:22a large
13:23number of
13:24local goans
13:24are not in
13:25that game
13:25because they
13:26are not able
13:26to compete
13:27in that
13:27but the one
13:30which has been
13:30squeezed in
13:31the middle
13:31are people
13:32like us
13:32who have not
13:33been able to
13:34adapt to this
13:35change or
13:35who have not
13:36been able to
13:36deliver the
13:37services and
13:37a lot of
13:38members who
13:39are local
13:39entrepreneurs
13:40are being
13:40squeezed there
13:41so there is
13:42an issue
13:42there which
13:43we will need
13:43to sort
13:44out
13:44coming to
13:46your question
13:46on infrastructure
13:48and what
13:49the government
13:49has done
13:50I think in
13:50terms of
13:51macro level
13:52infrastructure
13:52we really
13:53cannot complain
13:54we have got
13:54two international
13:55airports we have
13:56got great road
13:57connectivity whatever
13:58but I read
14:00also another
14:00report which
14:01also says what
14:02makes a tourist
14:03stay longer in
14:03the place are
14:04not only its
14:05sites or its
14:06attractions right
14:06when you step
14:07out of your
14:08hotel you have
14:08to have basic
14:09cleanliness you
14:10have to have
14:10basic great
14:11walking areas
14:12and I think that
14:13is somewhere where
14:14despite what I
14:15was here for
14:16the Amunai
14:16session where
14:17he said we are
14:17getting such
14:18great funds from
14:19the center but
14:20how those funds
14:21are spent is a
14:22question we had a
14:23smart city project
14:24in Goa and
14:25in Panjim and
14:26out of that
14:272000 crore Panjim
14:28should have
14:28developed as a
14:30small European
14:30city
14:32that I don't
14:33think any of the
14:34citizens can take
14:35a call there are
14:35there are there
14:37are intelligent AI
14:38cameras everywhere
14:39which don't
14:39anyway sir is
14:40better which don't
14:41seem to work so
14:42forget about being
14:43smart I don't think
14:44we have managed to
14:44spend those funds
14:45even to the five or
14:47seven percent of the
14:48efficiency they should
14:49have been spent at
14:51what is your question
14:53is Panjim a smart city
14:55oh it they attempted it
14:56but it's not
15:00now where the money is
15:01gone that needs a big
15:03inquiry inquiries don't
15:05happen and as you see
15:07even in the matter of
15:10acquisitions thereafter
15:15conviction rate the
15:17acquisition rates are
15:18hundred conviction rate is
15:20less than one if at all
15:22so it tells you that
15:25wild acquisitions fly and
15:28unless we get that system
15:30in place the law and order
15:33and a good judiciary and
15:36independent judiciary not
15:38just in government
15:39everywhere including way
15:40up I'm told more than a
15:43couple of lakhs people are
15:44in jail without a trial that's
15:47atrocious for the whole
15:49country and you have to queue
15:53up in supreme court for five
15:54ten fifteen twenty years
15:55before you can finally the case
15:58gets disposed of everyone is
16:00dispensing an interim
16:02justice so I'll call it
16:04interim India and Bombay
16:06High Court is so busy
16:08giving again injunctions and
16:12directions that annual rate
16:16of final disposal is less than
16:18ten for thousands and maybe
16:21millions of cases so I don't
16:24know whether you're the so
16:26called Anglo-Saxon system of
16:27justice is applicable or viable in
16:29in India I'm saying this
16:31because people shy away from
16:35taking their grievances to the
16:38government judicial system now
16:40take the case of Japan there are
16:44ten times more lawyers in
16:46Washington DC than the whole of
16:48Japan I have been to Japan 50-60
16:53times I've yet to meet a lawyer how
16:55do they address their grievances and
16:58bring about a justice in the society
17:00to build such a fine society and we
17:03have judges and lawyers and courts and
17:06yet our system is rotting
17:09this is the whole country
17:10Goa is caught on with the rest of the
17:13nation
17:13Jack also
17:16this church had a lot of
17:18especially when Goa's hotels
17:20and some people were killed in it
17:23illegal permissions
17:24and some industry were kept on it and
17:26some of them were kept on it
17:30what is the solution to that because
17:32that also has given a kind of a black
17:35mark on the industry
17:38so that illegal it was basically a
17:41nightclub which operated without
17:42permission and after that you know
17:44there were many cases came up which
17:46pointed out towards the many of the
17:48nightclubs many of the small such
17:51kind of places have got illegal
17:54permissions and it's still running in
17:55Goa so yeah so what I was trying to
17:57mention also earlier you have this
17:59airbnb market this unregulated market
18:01which is operating in a lot of I'm
18:03not saying all airbnb is not
18:05operating in a regulatory dark zone
18:08but quite a few are and that is like
18:11really affected the state in terms
18:13because the investment is coming from
18:14someone who's putting the money here
18:16there's no money coming to the state
18:18treasurer and the middle is getting
18:20squeezed people who are in the middle
18:21hoteliers are getting squeezed suppose
18:23you buy a residential home and you say
18:25okay I'm going to stay here only for 20
18:26days but the rest of the time of
18:28someone a manager is going to run it as a
18:30villa so that is a big issue to its
18:32credit the tourism department got in a
18:34number of issues to make it very
18:37streamlined with just three or five
18:39now it's five documents with fire so
18:42but because Goa is so popular it is it
18:45is an issue but I think the major issue
18:49that regular industry is facing in the
18:51tourism sector is basically to do with
18:54events and permissions Goa is largely
18:56being driven by mice now there are so
18:58because of the great connectivity we
19:00have corporates everyone wants to come
19:03here including weddings but to get
19:05licenses to run out mice is a pain we
19:08were tried for a single window document
19:10push since before I before I became the
19:13president it's three years now since I
19:15became the president that has been this
19:17one of the main focuses of the
19:19association but we seem to make no
19:20headway so I think for events to
19:23sustain in Goa we need this single
19:25window document push it is becoming
19:27increasingly difficult for a young
19:29entrepreneurs to start a business
19:31today unless you're politically
19:32connected or you have some reach which
19:35was not too much the case earlier is it
19:37true sir is it true if you're impatient
19:43you need political connections but if you
19:46follow the right process and try and
19:49embarrass the permission giver to say hey
19:51you know I will open this up if you
19:56do not consider and out of being ashamed
19:58and fearful do you get permission but
20:01impatient or don't be in a hurry that's my
20:04advice but yes if you want it fast
20:08expeditious on your terms then you will
20:10have to do all this underhand deals
20:13our times time is up but the vision
20:17document of the vikasid goa summit which
20:21happened in goa a vibrant goa summit
20:24which happened in goa and mr vision
20:27document mentions that now they want to
20:29venture into a non-traditional
20:33industries like semiconductors green
20:35energy and other segments will that
20:39achieve the target at this point of time
20:40because one thing which goa has managed
20:43to achieve to have a government stable
20:46government since 2012 which was quite
20:48difficult in a political system like goa
20:51will that help
20:57there cannot be a promise of development
21:00without setting your house in order i said
21:03that at the beginning yes so please balance
21:05your books and be focused on your debt
21:10focus on your expenditure and keep a
21:13balanced budget
21:16well i only would like to say that if
21:19all all of us together at least the
21:22industry work together to do what they
21:27can to get our goa into a proper place
21:32then i think 2037 we can try but i can't
21:37say that it was achievable but yes we
21:39will try
21:41so uh i was at this ai summit recently
21:44which the department of iit launched
21:47where and there was a senior of mine
21:50from the goa institute of manage management
21:52vijay thomas who started a company
21:54called tangential and he's he's based in
21:57canada he caters he's at the level two
22:00supplier to the major chains like ibm and
22:03all and he said one thing when that summit
22:04well uh one thing is great that the summit
22:07is happening and there's at least a vision
22:09so with the vision document i'm very happy
22:11that at least there's a vision how we get
22:13there is a process which all of us will
22:16have to figure a way to get it
22:17well uh isi umeed ke saath peki woe vision
22:20document zamean par utrhe or woe goa ke
22:22loogun ko dikhe usi umeed ke saath
22:24aap tein ho ka baut baut chukriya sir
22:25ki aap panchayat aaj tak peis
22:27keis manch par hain aur aapne aapni
22:29puri bhoomi ka goa ke wikas ke liye
22:31rakhye us ke liye aapka baut baut chukriya
22:32thank you so much
22:33thank you so much