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00:00:00Well, we've already mentioned that Saint Mary of Guadalupe is a polyglot woman,

00:00:26That is to say, he speaks many languages, but we are not referring only to French, Portuguese, Nahuatl, Spanish, any other language, Polish, Russian,

00:00:43but rather Santa María de Guadalupe is a polyglot woman because she speaks to everyone in their own language.

00:00:52For example, the artist is spoken to in their language, and that's why we see a perfectly stamped, printed image.

00:01:04Remember that we don't say painted because it's not painted, there are no clasps, no brushstrokes, but it's a stamping, it's an impression.

00:01:15Thus the artist, the one who paints, can see in Santa María de Guadalupe an image that will surprise him.

00:01:26And the mathematician too, because upon seeing the image and measuring it, he will realize that the golden ratio exists, as we have already seen.

00:01:36or also the golden ratio, which is not easily found in paintings or sculptures,

00:01:47only in a few cases, and especially when one has the full intention and the full knowledge

00:01:54and above all, professionalism, the whole being of an artist to carry out, well, this art of the golden ratio.

00:02:03She also speaks to the ophthalmologist in his language, and we realize that the ophthalmologist can discover in the eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe

00:02:14Images in that refraction effect, people reflected in each other's eyes,

00:02:23as well as the person working on the computer when they zoom in and discover not just an image,

00:02:32not three, but thirteen images in one eye and twelve images in the other.

00:02:39Or to the astronomer who sees in the stars, then, the constellations of that morning of December 12, 1531,

00:02:50exactly as the sky was drawn that morning, in the early hours of the morning,

00:02:55Well, they are also like that on the mantle of Our Lady of Heaven.

00:03:01As well as other artists, and other types of people who dedicate themselves to studying Our Lady of Guadalupe

00:03:10and they keep discovering increasingly inexplicable things.

00:03:15And we can see how science in general is surprised by something as wonderful as a tilma

00:03:24which cannot last more than 40 years and has been going on for more than 482 years.

00:03:32And in the year 2031, this tilma will celebrate 500 years with the image printed on it.

00:03:40So that contradicts what science can say.

00:03:45Mary is a woman, Mary of Guadalupe, she is a polyglot woman because she speaks to everyone in their own language.

00:03:52But there is also another scientist or artist, however we want to call him,

00:04:00who is surprised by what he finds in Santa María de Guadalupe and is the musician.

00:04:07Because the musician also finds a voice in Santa María de Guadalupe.

00:04:13He hears something in Santa María de Guadalupe that captivates him, captures him, moves him.

00:04:21And not only to the musician, but to anyone who is sensitive to music.

00:04:29So, for some years now, according to some studies that were carried out

00:04:34This has been discovered in the image of Santa María de Guadalupe, which is music.

00:04:41We see then that in the image of Our Lady of Heaven, the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:04:47We found flowers on her dress and we found stars on her cloak.

00:04:56Only in the Nahuatl mentality, in the pre-Hispanic mentality,

00:05:01The conjunction, the disguise that we already saw, flower, goes in accordance with another word which is song.

00:05:12Flower and song, in xochitl, in cuícatl, flower and song, makes you think of another reality.

00:05:21Let me explain again.

00:05:22In the pre-Hispanic world, in the Toltec mentality, and in the Aztec mentality as well,

00:05:28"Disguises" is the combination of two words that make you think of a third concept.

00:05:35And that third concept is superior to those two words.

00:05:40For example, atltepetl, water, hill, tells you about a third concept which is civilization.

00:05:49Well, in xochitl, in cuícatl, flower and song, what he's talking about is poetry,

00:05:57But it is also talking about God's communication with men.

00:06:02Men communicate with God through flowers and song,

00:06:07And God also communicates with humanity through flowers and song.

00:06:14What did Juan Diego hear on December 9, 1531, very early in the morning?

00:06:21Songs like birdsong that surpassed those of the coyoltótotl and the ciníscano,

00:06:26Nicanopoa says so, right?

00:06:28And what did Juan Diego take to Bishop Fray Juan de Sumárraga on December 12th?

00:06:34Also very early in the morning, what brought him there?

00:06:37Flowers, flower and song, it is the combination, it is the disguise that speaks to us of a third reality,

00:06:47a third concept which is the communication of God with humanity,

00:06:54or the way in which humanity can communicate with God.

00:06:57Okay, so we see the flowers in the image, in Xochitl, but where is the song?

00:07:06Singing is also very important, obviously from 1531 until a few years ago

00:07:15This was unknown, the music, the singing in Santa María de Guadalupe.

00:07:21People knew about the flowers because they could be seen, but obviously not about the song.

00:07:26Well, we know that in mathematics, in the discipline of mathematics,

00:07:31There's algebra, there's geometry, there's also astronomy as disciplines,

00:07:39And there is a fourth very important discipline, which is music.

00:07:43Any musician knows that musical notes are mathematics.

00:07:51Do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, si, do, all those notes, do sharp, re sharp, do flat, re, flat,

00:07:59All those notes are math.

00:08:03Well, a few years ago, Monsignor Eduardo Chávez,

00:08:08postulator of the cause for the canonization of Saint Juan Diego,

00:08:13whom I admire infinitely and consider my teacher,

00:08:17And in fact, my teacher, Monsignor Eduardo Chávez, is one of them.

00:08:21He asks Fernando Ojeda Llanes, who is still alive,

00:08:25He lives in Mérida, Yucatán.

00:08:29He is a public accountant, but he is also a mathematician.

00:08:33As a mathematician, Monsignor Eduardo Chávez,

00:08:37He asks Fernando Ojeda Llanes, and says, let's see,

00:08:42There is geometry in Santa María de Guadalupe,

00:08:47Arithmetic exists, astronomy exists,

00:08:52But one thing is missing, the music is missing.

00:08:57Therefore, I ask you to look at the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:09:03music, and since Fernando Ojeda Llanes is not a musician,

00:09:08If he's not a mathematician, then what does he do?

00:09:12He's going with a friend, who is Alberto Aguilar Portillo,

00:09:16who is a musician, and gives him an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:09:20And he says to her, I want you to take these as musical notes,

00:09:23the stars, and the center of each flower.

00:09:30The stars, and the center of each flower.

00:09:34All I ask is that you don't remove stars.

00:09:38no flowers, and don't add anything to it either.

00:09:42And don't move them from their place either.

00:09:45Where exactly are the stars?

00:09:49That's how you'll locate them.

00:09:50Where exactly are the flowers?

00:09:53in its center, that's how you're going to leave it.

00:09:56You're not going to move it, not even to the right.

00:09:58nor to the left.

00:10:00Okay, so for six months,

00:10:02This musician, Alberto Aguilar Portillo,

00:10:05He therefore sets about trying to see the music,

00:10:10using the stars as a reference,

00:10:12and the center of each flower,

00:10:13And making this a musical note.

00:10:17Well, the musician is already talking to Fernando Gedayanes,

00:10:21And he says to her, "You know what?"

00:10:22Well, here's the result,

00:10:24But, it's not very clear.

00:10:29Did you respect what I asked of you?

00:10:30Yes, yes, yes, I respected it.

00:10:31But, but it doesn't sound good.

00:10:34And when they heard that, well, no, no,

00:10:36There was no sound, there was no sound.

00:10:38So, here's your material.

00:10:41And when he receives the material,

00:10:44He says, you know what?

00:10:45Try again.

00:10:47Try to find it.

00:10:49Here is the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

00:10:54He says, listen, more than one thing,

00:10:57This image you sent me,

00:10:59It's different from the first one.

00:11:01Wait, isn't it the same as the first image you sent me?

00:11:05Ah, well, what I sent you was a copy of a book,

00:11:09But this is an image,

00:11:11copy of the original,

00:11:14of the one that is in the Basilica of Guadalupe, in Mexico.

00:11:16Okay, so Alberto Aguilar Portillo takes on the task,

00:11:20And what conclusion does he draw?

00:11:22He says, now, here's the music,

00:11:25on the mantle or in the image of Saint Mary of Guadalupe.

00:11:31You know that music is basically composed of two things,

00:11:35harmony and rhythm.

00:11:38Everyone sets their own pace.

00:11:40for example, cha, cha, cha, mambo,

00:11:45waltz, rock, twist.

00:11:48Which other one?

00:11:53Dip.

00:11:55Are they eating each other?

00:11:56Salsa, salsa.

00:12:00Whatever rhythm you want, you set the rhythm you want.

00:12:04You obviously create the harmony too.

00:12:07But what does harmony give?

00:12:09Or how does harmony occur?

00:12:11With the correct placement of the notes,

00:12:15on a staff.

00:12:16For example, if you put the notes randomly,

00:12:22So, when you want to play that,

00:12:25It's going to sound like,

00:12:27because?

00:12:32Because there is no harmony.

00:12:34Harmony is achieved through the correct placement of the notes,

00:12:38in their thirds, in their fifths,

00:12:41that goes do and the next note,

00:12:44go in accordance with this do or co.

00:12:48And so, re, where you put it,

00:12:50Harmony occurs, I repeat,

00:12:52with the correct placement of the notes.

00:12:55Well, when he does this second study,

00:12:58who is Alberto Aguilar Portillo,

00:13:01who is the musician,

00:13:02and hands the result to Fernando G.

00:13:06In Dallanes, things change.

00:13:08Above all,

00:13:10because it does so from the original image,

00:13:13so that they can see the importance of this.

00:13:16Above all,

00:13:18for those who say,

00:13:19that the stars were added later,

00:13:22so you can see,

00:13:23how it is also refuted,

00:13:25with the music thing.

00:13:26For those who say that the drawings,

00:13:30those who are in the dress of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:13:33the flowers,

00:13:34where all those flowers are,

00:13:36so you can see,

00:13:37For those who say,

00:13:38that someone painted them,

00:13:41so you can see that this isn't true either,

00:13:44Well, let's listen to the music.

00:13:46on the mantle of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

00:13:49That's why I'm asking you,

00:13:51Do you want to listen to the music?

00:13:53on the mantle of the Virgin of Guadalupe?

00:13:54They don't sound very convinced.

00:13:59Do you want to listen to the music?

00:14:01on the mantle of the Virgin of Guadalupe?

00:14:04We're going to start again in September.

00:14:06with the course and everything,

00:14:08not later.

00:14:10Good,

00:14:11well,

00:14:12What did he do?

00:14:13Alberto Aguilar Portillo,

00:14:15And he passes it on to Fernando Gedayanes?

00:14:17As you can see,

00:14:19there on the slide,

00:14:21There is an image of the Virgin,

00:14:23but without color,

00:14:24It's an image taken from the original,

00:14:27but without color,

00:14:29and at the top,

00:14:30a player piano was installed,

00:14:33and everything related to the image,

00:14:36there are lines,

00:14:38that separate one note from another,

00:14:40lines that divide one note from another,

00:14:42and those lines,

00:14:43They help us locate,

00:14:45the stars,

00:14:47the center of each flower,

00:14:49but also,

00:14:49with the player piano,

00:14:50which is at the top,

00:14:52It helps us locate,

00:14:54What grade is it?

00:14:56Therefore,

00:14:57when the player piano comes down,

00:14:59and touch a star,

00:15:01and it gives you two,

00:15:02Well,

00:15:03It's going to sound like do,

00:15:04But the player piano keeps coming down,

00:15:06and touch another star,

00:15:07and it's fa,

00:15:08It will give the note of F,

00:15:11and so,

00:15:12if it touches the center of a flower,

00:15:14and it's mine,

00:15:16Well, it's going to be my turn.

00:15:17and depending,

00:15:19whatever the player piano plays,

00:15:21If it's a star,

00:15:22or is it a flower,

00:15:23and wherever it is located,

00:15:24That's how it's going to sound,

00:15:25Sometimes it will sound deep,

00:15:27obviously,

00:15:28because it's loaded,

00:15:30towards one side of the player piano,

00:15:31Sometimes you'll hear it,

00:15:33a little sharper,

00:15:34because it is,

00:15:35to the right of the player piano,

00:15:37where,

00:15:37What's more,

00:15:38are the tones,

00:15:39higher-pitched,

00:15:41And that's why,

00:15:42We'll see.

00:15:43that,

00:15:43It's going to be heard,

00:15:45that difference,

00:15:46in the tones,

00:15:48Also, something else,

00:15:49that you will perceive,

00:15:50when listening to music,

00:15:52on the mantle of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:15:54is,

00:15:55that suddenly,

00:15:56There is a longer note,

00:15:58and one more short note,

00:16:00all the notes,

00:16:01They have the same value,

00:16:02That's another matter.

00:16:03that he asked,

00:16:03all the notes,

00:16:05Yeah,

00:16:05that is, the star,

00:16:06or the center of each flower,

00:16:07They have the same value,

00:16:09But because sometimes,

00:16:10lasts one,

00:16:11more than others,

00:16:12not so much because of the note itself,

00:16:15by the star,

00:16:15or through the center of each flower,

00:16:17but because of the distance,

00:16:19because if there is a star,

00:16:20very close to the other one,

00:16:22when playing the player piano,

00:16:23Well, play fast.

00:16:24one star and another,

00:16:25or a flower,

00:16:27and a fast star,

00:16:28And that's why you hear it,

00:16:29And suddenly,

00:16:30between one star and another,

00:16:32and a flower,

00:16:33perhaps also,

00:16:34There's a little more space,

00:16:36And that's why it lasts,

00:16:37some more,

00:16:39that note,

00:16:40But they all have,

00:16:41the same value,

00:16:43the distance,

00:16:44or the speed,

00:16:45depends,

00:16:46of the difference,

00:16:47that exists,

00:16:48between the placement,

00:16:49of the stars,

00:16:51and the center of each flower,

00:16:52good,

00:16:53to make it more complicated,

00:16:56what is it,

00:16:57lower the player piano,

00:16:58and let it play,

00:17:00what it is,

00:17:01the center of each flower,

00:17:02and a star,

00:17:03here,

00:17:04On this occasion,

00:17:05I'm going to introduce you to,

00:17:06a video,

00:17:08And in this video,

00:17:09It will be there,

00:17:11They'll see,

00:17:11You will be able to see,

00:17:13the route,

00:17:15of what they once were,

00:17:16the apparitions,

00:17:17of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

00:17:18December 9th,

00:17:21as of December 12,

00:17:22the video,

00:17:23It's about to begin,

00:17:25when Juan Diego,

00:17:26has the meeting,

00:17:27for the first time,

00:17:28with Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:17:30and then,

00:17:30It's going to be,

00:17:31all of that,

00:17:32brief tour,

00:17:33between,

00:17:34what it is,

00:17:34December 9th,

00:17:36and on December 12th,

00:17:39of 1531,

00:17:40So,

00:17:41if you,

00:17:42They want to close,

00:17:43her eyes,

00:17:43to listen,

00:17:44the music,

00:17:45They can do it,

00:17:47if you,

00:17:48They want to see the video.

00:17:49for,

00:17:50along with the music,

00:17:51do it this way,

00:17:52as a recount,

00:17:53of what happened,

00:17:54between the 9th,

00:17:56and on December 12th,

00:17:57of 1531,

00:17:59They can do that too,

00:18:00and so,

00:18:01Along with this,

00:18:02Well, we're going to,

00:18:04to give an account,

00:18:04and perhaps,

00:18:05Let's understand,

00:18:06a little more,

00:18:07those phrases,

00:18:08of Juan Diego,

00:18:09when he says,

00:18:10December 9th,

00:18:11of 1531,

00:18:13as it passes by,

00:18:14through the hill of Tepeyac,

00:18:16And listen,

00:18:16those most beautiful songs,

00:18:19of precious birds,

00:18:21as of,

00:18:22the Coyoltó,

00:18:23Totol,

00:18:23and from Siniscan,

00:18:25and he asks himself,

00:18:25Juan Diego,

00:18:27Where am I,

00:18:28where I see myself,

00:18:29perhaps,

00:18:30on Earth,

00:18:31of the flowers,

00:18:32on Earth,

00:18:33of sustenance,

00:18:34that they told us,

00:18:35our ancestors,

00:18:37perhaps,

00:18:37I am on Earth,

00:18:38heavenly,

00:18:40come like,

00:18:40He takes that leap,

00:18:42of,

00:18:42that is to say,

00:18:44perhaps,

00:18:44I'm listening,

00:18:45a Coyoltó,

00:18:46Totol,

00:18:46or a mockingbird,

00:18:48either,

00:18:49instead of asking,

00:18:50because of the birds,

00:18:51what you are hearing,

00:18:53is transported,

00:18:54towards the celestial,

00:18:56or it is understood,

00:18:57perhaps,

00:18:57God is communicating,

00:18:59with me,

00:19:00Well,

00:19:00well,

00:19:01with music,

00:19:02in the cloak,

00:19:02of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:19:04we'll realize it,

00:19:05a little bit,

00:19:06obviously,

00:19:06is infinite,

00:19:09the distance,

00:19:10among other things,

00:19:11Juan Diego heard,

00:19:12that December 9th,

00:19:14of 1531,

00:19:15and what we,

00:19:16we can interpret,

00:19:18with musical instruments,

00:19:20So,

00:19:21Let's put on the music,

00:19:22in the cloak,

00:19:24of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:19:25first,

00:19:26There is an introduction,

00:19:27and then,

00:19:28Once it starts,

00:19:29the high-pitched voice,

00:19:31You will identify her,

00:19:32when it starts,

00:19:33the high-pitched voice,

00:19:35then,

00:19:36when it starts,

00:19:37the descent,

00:19:38from that player piano,

00:19:39and he starts to play,

00:19:41the stars,

00:19:42and the center,

00:19:43of each flower,

00:19:43So,

00:19:44Let's begin.

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00:24:39What do we understand?

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00:25:18That?

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00:25:22That?

00:25:24That?

00:25:26That?

00:25:28I had already said it.

00:25:30That?

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00:26:20The people.

00:26:22That?

00:26:23Sometimes, out of great devotion, great joy, a desire to win others over, or a desire to convince you of what is in Our Lady of Guadalupe?

00:26:35And sometimes, sometimes, wanting to convince you of something extremely spectacular, it starts to include things that aren't true.

00:26:49And unfortunately, although those expressions, those ideas, those proposals may sound very surprising and very, very, very impressive, they are not true.

00:27:04Sometimes, I think this way personally, it may be that these kinds of things don't even come from the Catholic world.

00:27:12In other words, let them come from other people who don't profess the Catholic faith, so that when you start talking about it as a truth,

00:27:22And you say, look what's in Santa María de Guadalupe, and look, and all that land is being prepared, teaching these things,

00:27:30the moment when someone from the scientific community can tell you, "this is not true," when someone is wrong about something,

00:27:39And it presents something as a tremendous truth, and then you know it's not true; everything else that was said also seems to be a lie.

00:27:51Imagine that I have told you all these things about Our Lady of Guadalupe, and suddenly I start telling you things that aren't true,

00:28:00And then you find out, you'll get the idea that everything I said before, even if it was true, is a lie.

00:28:09Therefore, what is true must be said, and what is true must be defended, but what is not true must also be said.

00:28:22And we must defend what is true. That's why, if you open a website and search for Santa María de Guadalupe, it's strange.

00:28:32You search on Google for "Virgin of Guadalupe" and you'll realize that everything related to the Virgin of Guadalupe...

00:28:42It's one of the most searched things on the internet, and that makes me very happy.

00:28:47Unfortunately, some of the things that appear on the internet, some that are true, others that are half true, half not,

00:28:57And others that are totally no, well there they are, and sometimes, as on one page, even a church, a parish,

00:29:08even some parishes that have a devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe, the person in charge of the apostolate, the young man from the pastoral team,

00:29:18The one who will be in charge of the youth group, and who is in charge of the website at that parish,

00:29:23He searches the internet and finds this, which isn't even true, and he copies and pastes it, and puts it on the parish's website.

00:29:36as something official, and you go online and say, well, if it's in this parish, then it means,

00:29:43And that parish, well, it's Catholic, that's true, or you can look for it, but not on YouTube, because that's from another branch.

00:29:53But if you search on YouTube, also for Santa María de Guadalupe, you'll find many videos.

00:30:01that they are even put in place by people from the Catholic world, and that all they did was,

00:30:07I came across this information, and look, wow, yes, what's more, I've seen people who just get one email,

00:30:15He receives an email, which is a message, "Share it, and God loves you," and he writes it, and forwards it to everyone.

00:30:24And then you keep getting emails, and emails, and emails, that the person who sent them to you didn't even read.

00:30:30Well, the same thing happens with the Virgin of Guadalupe; things come in, they arrive in your email, and that's how you send them.

00:30:37And if you send it to 25 people, you gain plenary indulgence, and I don't know what else, right?

00:30:43Yes, they even get into that kind of thing, like, if you don't send it to 25 people,

00:30:52Watch out, watch out, right? Because so-and-so made fun of this thing, and, and, and he was struck by lightning,

00:31:01or such a person, and, and when he went to the bank, he no longer had his 300 billion dollars,

00:31:08for having made fun of, of, of that little message that he should have sent to 25 people, so,

00:31:16Yes, no, okay, let's mention the things that aren't true, first I'll say it,

00:31:27The problem is, just remember, everything I'm about to say is false, because when I say it,

00:31:34It might seem like when I say it, it's true, but remember, all I'm going to say is...

00:31:40Very well, so when I finish that sentence, you're going to say, this is,

00:31:46False, very good, that's the first thing that's said, the first thing that's said is, that the Virgin, I mean,

00:31:56It is not the tilma, but the Virgin, that has a temperature of 36.6 degrees Celsius, like that of a human body.

00:32:09that someone put it on, like a sort of, I don't know how they did it, for, I don't know how they did it,

00:32:18to put the thermometer under, under, under the armpit of the Blessed Virgin, with all due respect, right?

00:32:24I don't know how he did it, or if he put something there, and he says that the image, that is, the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:32:32The printed image has a temperature of 36.6 degrees Celsius, like that of a human body.

00:32:40The problem here is that the one who said it is the one with the temper.

00:32:44because this is completely false,

00:32:51Nobody has done a study of the image with temperature.

00:32:55What is the temperature of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe and the tilma?

00:32:59Well, the temperature of a tilma, of a tilma, that which, that which has a temperature, that is,

00:33:05No, not what is said, no, also, here, the great thing about this, is that the name always appears,

00:33:12I don't know, I don't know this person, honestly, I'm telling you, I don't know him.

00:33:18The day I meet him, I'm going to bring him here, and I'm going to introduce him to you.

00:33:23I promise you, that the day I meet that person, because no, I repeat, I don't know him/her,

00:33:29I'm going to introduce them here, and I'm going to lend him this microphone so he can speak.

00:33:34That person, his name is, someone,

00:33:37someone,

00:33:39someone,

00:33:42I don't know that person, that person whose name is someone.

00:33:45someone,

00:33:47someone,

00:33:47he put,

00:33:49a,

00:33:50stethoscope,

00:33:52in it,

00:33:52in the womb of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:33:56and says,

00:33:57someone,

00:33:58One day I'm going to bring them here.

00:34:00that,

00:34:02They can be heard,

00:34:04115 beats,

00:34:06per minute,

00:34:06like that of a baby,

00:34:08in gestation,

00:34:097 months old,

00:34:11First, I don't know,

00:34:11if the babies,

00:34:127 months old,

00:34:13have 115,

00:34:14heartbeats,

00:34:15per second,

00:34:16per minute,

00:34:16TRUE,

00:34:17but,

00:34:17someone,

00:34:19says,

00:34:19that he put,

00:34:20a stethoscope,

00:34:21in the womb,

00:34:23And what about it?

00:34:24115 beats,

00:34:26per second,

00:34:27obviously,

00:34:27It's being discussed,

00:34:28of Jesus,

00:34:29that is in the womb,

00:34:29of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

00:34:31And so,

00:34:32this,

00:34:33that,

00:34:33It's very surprising,

00:34:35this,

00:34:36He calls us,

00:34:37and it captivates us,

00:34:38It is totally,

00:34:39fake,

00:34:40fake,

00:34:41it isn't true,

00:34:41no one has done it,

00:34:42that study,

00:34:44you,

00:34:44Go to the Basilica of Guadalupe,

00:34:47And look,

00:34:48in the registry,

00:34:49of the times,

00:34:50in which the,

00:34:51there is,

00:34:51people,

00:34:52They have entered the dressing room,

00:34:54let's see,

00:34:54If anyone,

00:34:55has done that study,

00:34:57and nobody,

00:34:58has done that study,

00:34:59another thing,

00:35:00that,

00:35:00It is said,

00:35:01is,

00:35:03that,

00:35:04this same person,

00:35:06from last time,

00:35:07from the previous example,

00:35:08that,

00:35:09I don't have the pleasure,

00:35:09to meet him,

00:35:11someone,

00:35:12someone,

00:35:13with a device,

00:35:14A laser beam passed by,

00:35:17Imagine,

00:35:17that,

00:35:18Imagine,

00:35:18that this is the tilma,

00:35:20that he put,

00:35:21this laser beam,

00:35:21So,

00:35:23and,

00:35:24You know what?

00:35:25the image,

00:35:26fleet,

00:35:29I mean,

00:35:29It is not joined,

00:35:31to the tilma,

00:35:32of Juan Diego,

00:35:33It is not joined,

00:35:34fleet,

00:35:36this,

00:35:36but they are,

00:35:38the problem,

00:35:39the thing is,

00:35:39someone,

00:35:40they can't agree,

00:35:41with those others,

00:35:42someone is,

00:35:44Because some say,

00:35:45No,

00:35:45is separated,

00:35:4610 centimeters,

00:35:48There are others who say,

00:35:49No,

00:35:50There are 10,

00:35:51millimeters,

00:35:53And there are others who say,

00:35:54No,

00:35:54It's 10 millimeters,

00:35:55It's 10 microns,

00:35:56of centimeters,

00:35:58but it's separate,

00:35:59because it's a laser beam,

00:36:00and measures it,

00:36:02someone says,

00:36:04Imagine that,

00:36:05Imagine that,

00:36:06to the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:36:07So,

00:36:08and the tilma here,

00:36:09and saying,

00:36:10Oh,

00:36:10I mean,

00:36:11How embarrassing!

00:36:12I mean,

00:36:12the tilma,

00:36:13I mean,

00:36:13very poor,

00:36:14I am,

00:36:14God's mother,

00:36:16No,

00:36:18Can you imagine,

00:36:19So,

00:36:19to the Virgin of Guadalupe,

00:36:21Do you remember,

00:36:23that the tilma,

00:36:23means,

00:36:24five things mainly,

00:36:27as we said,

00:36:27what does it mean,

00:36:28person,

00:36:30dignification,

00:36:32livelihood,

00:36:33protection,

00:36:34And we said,

00:36:35another one too,

00:36:37the tilma,

00:36:38means,

00:36:38marriage,

00:36:51I don't know how,

00:36:52They said it so quickly,

00:36:53but,

00:36:54But very good,

00:36:55very good,

00:36:56Here they go,

00:36:57It means marriage,

00:36:59let's see,

00:36:59And why did we say,

00:37:01Don't tell me,

00:37:02Don't tell me,

00:37:03because,

00:37:04at the Aztec wedding,

00:37:06joined,

00:37:07the man's tilma,

00:37:08with the woman's huipil,

00:37:10Don't leave me,

00:37:11Ah,

00:37:11Well,

00:37:11That's it,

00:37:12That's it,

00:37:13that's why,

00:37:13TRUE,

00:37:15because,

00:37:15joined,

00:37:17That's where the tie comes from,

00:37:18we said,

00:37:18TRUE,

00:37:19because it joined,

00:37:20the man's tilma,

00:37:21with the woman's huipil,

00:37:23in marriage,

00:37:25The Spanish saw this,

00:37:26And they said,

00:37:26Let's abandon that ritual,

00:37:28because,

00:37:28because they already,

00:37:30before preaching the gospel to them,

00:37:32You understand,

00:37:33that in marriage,

00:37:34They are both,

00:37:36one thing,

00:37:37TRUE,

00:37:38good,

00:37:39well,

00:37:40What's surprising,

00:37:42in the miracle of printing,

00:37:45stamping,

00:37:47stamping,

00:37:48primer,

00:37:49well,

00:37:50It's not that I'm floating,

00:37:51I mean,

00:37:51If it sounds,

00:37:52It sounds amazing,

00:37:54pass a laser beam,

00:37:56TRUE,

00:37:56pass,

00:37:57Furthermore,

00:37:58Furthermore,

00:37:59the image moved,

00:38:01of 1976,

00:38:03to,

00:38:04of the old basilica,

00:38:05to the new basilica,

00:38:06and it's in a vault,

00:38:07How are you going to pass a laser beam through?

00:38:09oh well,

00:38:11It sounds surprising,

00:38:12pass a laser beam,

00:38:14and that the image is floating,

00:38:16And that's impressive.

00:38:17and so,

00:38:18like what,

00:38:18until,

00:38:19So you can see,

00:38:20which is miraculous,

00:38:21No,

00:38:22the miraculous,

00:38:23It's not there,

00:38:25in which it floats,

00:38:26The miraculous is there,

00:38:28in which on a tilma,

00:38:31what is it,

00:38:32one,

00:38:33from a plant,

00:38:34which is called agave,

00:38:35and it seems,

00:38:36that within,

00:38:37agave species,

00:38:39It's from the plant,

00:38:40call,

00:38:41isotl,

00:38:42that in that plant,

00:38:44or in that tilma,

00:38:45where painting is not allowed,

00:38:47directly,

00:38:48where you need it,

00:38:50a preparation,

00:38:50here is the image,

00:38:52perfectly,

00:38:54printed,

00:38:55and even,

00:38:56the colors,

00:38:58they pass,

00:38:59on one side,

00:39:00to the other,

00:39:01from the image,

00:39:03This is the reverse side,

00:39:04from the image,

00:39:04of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:39:06that's why,

00:39:08the Nícamopoa,

00:39:08Look,

00:39:09because it is so precise,

00:39:11that when it carries,

00:39:12Juan Diego,

00:39:12the flowers,

00:39:13to the Bishop,

00:39:14Friar Juan de Sumarraga,

00:39:16those who were there,

00:39:17and they wouldn't let him in,

00:39:19with the ruling Bishop,

00:39:21They didn't happen,

00:39:21I mean,

00:39:22The image was missing.

00:39:23already printed,

00:39:24It wasn't printed,

00:39:25because?

00:39:26Because if I had been there,

00:39:27printed,

00:39:28They would have seen it,

00:39:29the other way around,

00:39:30salt,

00:39:31brings,

00:39:31bring something,

00:39:32because it's painted,

00:39:33her tilma,

00:39:34that,

00:39:35originally,

00:39:36because she was white,

00:39:37how they used it,

00:39:38the most equal,

00:39:39good,

00:39:39what they say,

00:39:40that there are some more equal,

00:39:41than others,

00:39:42But that's how it is,

00:39:43So,

00:39:45She brought the flowers,

00:39:46and when it falls,

00:39:48says the Nicamopowa,

00:39:50when the tilma falls,

00:39:51and the flowers fall,

00:39:53on the ground,

00:39:53surely,

00:39:54That's where,

00:39:55it is printed,

00:39:56it is printed,

00:39:57the blessed image,

00:39:59of Our Lady of Heaven,

00:40:00Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:40:02and the colors pass,

00:40:04from one side to the other,

00:40:06and there,

00:40:06That's one of the last photographs,

00:40:09that were taken out,

00:40:10on the reverse,

00:40:11from the image,

00:40:12of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

00:40:13So,

00:40:14Look,

00:40:14I don't understand this.

00:40:16because,

00:40:16I am not a painter,

00:40:17I'm not an expert on this,

00:40:19But if you look closely,

00:40:21in what is the fold,

00:40:23of the cloak,

00:40:24inside,

00:40:25It's clearer,

00:40:26that this part,

00:40:27where are the stars,

00:40:28If you look closely,

00:40:29but,

00:40:30in the upside-down image,

00:40:33I mean,

00:40:33in the back,

00:40:35It's painted in reverse,

00:40:37I mean,

00:40:38the strongest,

00:40:39that's what,

00:40:40at the front,

00:40:41It's the softest,

00:40:43and the softest,

00:40:44that's what,

00:40:44at the front,

00:40:45is stronger,

00:40:46that effect,

00:40:47How can you do it?

00:40:49What a painter!

00:40:49can achieve that,

00:40:51on a tilma,

00:40:52which I repeat,

00:40:53is,

00:40:53fruit,

00:40:54consequence,

00:40:55from a plant,

00:40:56agavacia,

00:40:58that we believe,

00:40:58which is the isocle,

00:41:00good,

00:41:01well,

00:41:01the colors,

00:41:03They are not in the image,

00:41:04It's not floating,

00:41:05because this is totally,

00:41:07cobazo!

00:41:10Additions,

00:41:12a few,

00:41:1320 years old,

00:41:14approximately,

00:41:16two people,

00:41:17Smith and Callahan,

00:41:18USA,

00:41:20They came to study,

00:41:21the image,

00:41:22and they made a contribution,

00:41:23very important,

00:41:25unfortunately,

00:41:26for other interests,

00:41:28They said things,

00:41:29which are not,

00:41:30But they did,

00:41:31a contribution,

00:41:31very important,

00:41:33they,

00:41:33with some cameras,

00:41:35with a species,

00:41:36of lightning,

00:41:37infrared,

00:41:38They discovered,

00:41:39which precisely,

00:41:41in Santa María de Guadalupe,

00:41:42there is no,

00:41:44I mean,

00:41:44there are no traces,

00:41:46when someone,

00:41:47He's going to paint something,

00:41:48For example,

00:41:49If it's Da Vinci,

00:41:50Or if it's Michelangelo,

00:41:51they,

00:41:52they make a stroke,

00:41:53They draw a picture,

00:41:54My mom paints,

00:41:55But she goes with a teacher,

00:41:57the teacher,

00:41:58He draws the picture for her,

00:41:59and she did nothing more,

00:42:00with paint,

00:42:02she no longer,

00:42:02It fills with colors,

00:42:04But first,

00:42:04There are some traces,

00:42:05Well,

00:42:06Well, with those,

00:42:07those rays,

00:42:08You can tell,

00:42:09of that pencil,

00:42:10What's up,

00:42:11good,

00:42:11Smith and Callahan,

00:42:13they were given in their studies,

00:42:15They contributed that,

00:42:17in Santa María de Guadalupe,

00:42:19there are no traces,

00:42:20that is to say,

00:42:21It's a print,

00:42:23It was printed,

00:42:24We can't explain it,

00:42:26how is an image,

00:42:28without a,

00:42:29I mean,

00:42:29a beginning,

00:42:30either,

00:42:30and an ending,

00:42:31Furthermore,

00:42:32a painter,

00:42:33Let's suppose,

00:42:34that he wanted to paint,

00:42:35an image,

00:42:36but,

00:42:37originally,

00:42:38It looks like this,

00:42:40and says,

00:42:41No,

00:42:41I don't like it like that.

00:42:42I want it to be better this way,

00:42:44so,

00:42:45it has an effect,

00:42:47to delete,

00:42:48that arm,

00:42:49and he puts this on it,

00:42:50in that type of study,

00:42:52It can be seen,

00:42:53the correction,

00:42:54originally,

00:42:55that the arm was like this,

00:42:57Well, in Santa María de Guadalupe,

00:42:58there is no trace,

00:43:00That's the good contribution,

00:43:02what are you doing,

00:43:03the problem,

00:43:04Smith and Callahan,

00:43:06These men,

00:43:06They said things,

00:43:08which are not true,

00:43:10But they have said,

00:43:11so many times,

00:43:12And when a lie,

00:43:13You say it so many times,

00:43:15Well, it seems to be true now.

00:43:17Everyone asks,

00:43:19Listen, Father,

00:43:19They ask me,

00:43:20Listen, Father,

00:43:23the little angel,

00:43:25It's original,

00:43:27or they painted it later,

00:43:30Haven't they?

00:43:31They haven't heard that,

00:43:33commonly,

00:43:34Well,

00:43:34Well, I already showed them,

00:43:35And I present them to you again here,

00:43:37as in a close-up,

00:43:40you realize,

00:43:40which is part of,

00:43:42comprehensive,

00:43:43from the image,

00:43:44of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

00:43:46It's an addition,

00:43:47the angel,

00:43:48It's not an add-on,

00:43:49I mean,

00:43:50is part of it,

00:43:50Furthermore,

00:43:51Furthermore,

00:43:52what is it,

00:43:53most of all,

00:43:55characterizes,

00:43:56to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:43:57of all the others,

00:43:59to the Virgin Mary of Guadalupe,

00:44:01of all,

00:44:01the other images,

00:44:02of the Virgin Mary,

00:44:05the little angel,

00:44:07Go far away,

00:44:08an image,

00:44:08of the Virgin Mary,

00:44:10and you don't know who he is,

00:44:12But you go,

00:44:13to the Virgin Mary,

00:44:14with the little angel,

00:44:15And what do you say?

00:44:16Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:44:17not because it is,

00:44:18most important, the little angel,

00:44:20but,

00:44:20what characterizes it,

00:44:22precisely,

00:44:23This is this little angel,

00:44:25that brings the colors,

00:44:26as we have already seen,

00:44:27the colors of the universe,

00:44:29the black of the moon,

00:44:31blue,

00:44:32white,

00:44:33and red,

00:44:33which for the Aztecs,

00:44:35were the north,

00:44:36the south,

00:44:36the east,

00:44:37and the west,

00:44:38They are the colors of the universe,

00:44:40She is standing,

00:44:42above the moon,

00:44:44in the center of the moon,

00:44:46at the center of the universe,

00:44:48and also,

00:44:48like a little angel,

00:44:49take,

00:44:50her dress,

00:44:51and his cloak,

00:44:52because it is joining,

00:44:53heaven and earth,

00:44:55and since it has wings,

00:44:56not of a dove,

00:44:57as the Spanish drew it,

00:44:59but as wings,

00:45:01of eagle,

00:45:02because?

00:45:03because the eagle,

00:45:03It was the bird,

00:45:04who provided sustenance,

00:45:05to the gods,

00:45:06and also,

00:45:07It was the one he brought,

00:45:08the message,

00:45:09angel,

00:45:09precisely,

00:45:10It means messenger,

00:45:12and eagle,

00:45:12It is said,

00:45:13in Aguatlcuau,

00:45:15and Juan Diego,

00:45:16of indigenous,

00:45:16His name was,

00:45:17Cuautlatoatzin,

00:45:19that is to say,

00:45:20the eagle,

00:45:21who speaks of divine things,

00:45:22Well, precisely,

00:45:23we could understand it,

00:45:24as a representation,

00:45:26of Juan Diego,

00:45:27because it is,

00:45:28the eagle,

00:45:29who speaks of divine things,

00:45:31He comes to convey to us,

00:45:33that divine message,

00:45:34which brings us,

00:45:34the lady of heaven,

00:45:35So,

00:45:36whether it's an addition,

00:45:37second,

00:45:38the part here,

00:45:39of the,

00:45:41of the cloak,

00:45:42If you see it,

00:45:44That's something.

00:45:45also,

00:45:46characteristic,

00:45:47of Saint Mary,

00:45:47from Guadalupe,

00:45:49you see,

00:45:50dedicate yourselves,

00:45:52at this time,

00:45:53let's see,

00:45:54100 images,

00:45:55of the Virgin Mary,

00:45:56in general,

00:45:57of the Virgin Mary,

00:45:57Let's see if any of them...

00:45:59from the image,

00:46:00It has that fold,

00:46:02Well, they deny it.

00:46:03Smith and Callahan,

00:46:04they say that,

00:46:05that,

00:46:06that part,

00:46:07of the cloak,

00:46:09that,

00:46:09It's an addition,

00:46:11On the other hand,

00:46:11which they say is an add-on,

00:46:13is,

00:46:13the tape,

00:46:14the black belt,

00:46:15They did not know,

00:46:16They didn't know,

00:46:18that in the pre-Hispanic mentality,

00:46:19noblewomen,

00:46:21who were on tape,

00:46:22precisely,

00:46:23they were putting on,

00:46:24a tape,

00:46:26at the top,

00:46:27from her womb,

00:46:28and hung up,

00:46:28because the Aztecs,

00:46:30They were highly visual,

00:46:32And another thing,

00:46:33that Smith and Callahan,

00:46:34they say,

00:46:35It's from the stars,

00:46:37than the stars,

00:46:39They are also,

00:46:39added,

00:46:41good,

00:46:41Well, we already saw,

00:46:41with music,

00:46:42That's strange.

00:46:44accuracy,

00:46:45And another thing,

00:46:46very important,

00:46:47in the stars,

00:46:48at the bottom,

00:46:49You realize,

00:46:50that there is a constellation,

00:46:52Which constellation is it?

00:46:54the cross,

00:46:55that,

00:46:56Here he comes,

00:46:57the southern cross,

00:46:59that constellation,

00:47:01It's not visible,

00:47:01in the Mexican sky,

00:47:04that constellation,

00:47:05It's visible,

00:47:06or at the North Pole,

00:47:08or it can be seen,

00:47:09in the southern hemisphere,

00:47:10in Chile,

00:47:10in Argentina,

00:47:11I mean,

00:47:12south of the Equator,

00:47:13I mean,

00:47:13in Mexico,

00:47:14that constellation,

00:47:15I mean,

00:47:15You can see Orion,

00:47:17You can see,

00:47:17the Big Dipper,

00:47:18some of those who are here,

00:47:20but the Southern Cross,

00:47:21No,

00:47:21And one says,

00:47:22Okay, Father,

00:47:24well no,

00:47:24a Mexican,

00:47:25He could have painted,

00:47:26with gold,

00:47:27those,

00:47:27those stars,

00:47:28But a Spaniard,

00:47:29in Spain,

00:47:29It's not visible either.

00:47:31in Spain,

00:47:32It's not visible,

00:47:32that constellation,

00:47:34I mean,

00:47:34How are you going to paint?

00:47:35a constellation,

00:47:36If you don't know it exists,

00:47:38and with that precision,

00:47:40And we also saw,

00:47:41in mathematics,

00:47:42than the distance,

00:47:43that exists,

00:47:44between a star,

00:47:45and another,

00:47:45in centimeters,

00:47:46in millimeters,

00:47:47is the equivalent,

00:47:48between a star,

00:47:49and another,

00:47:50in millions of kilometers,

00:47:51or light-years,

00:47:52According to the study,

00:47:53that Fernando Gedayanes made,

00:47:55and a group of astronomers,

00:47:56of the Autonomous University,

00:47:57from Mexico,

00:47:58So,

00:47:59come like,

00:48:00sometimes,

00:48:01things,

00:48:02what they say,

00:48:02and that we see in books,

00:48:04in some books,

00:48:05and that come in pages,

00:48:07from the internet,

00:48:08or even,

00:48:09unfortunately,

00:48:09because of the copy,

00:48:12paste,

00:48:13in pages,

00:48:14of Catholic parishes,

00:48:16well, they appear,

00:48:16That kind of thing,

00:48:18are added,

00:48:19the stars,

00:48:20No,

00:48:20are added,

00:48:22this,

00:48:22is added,

00:48:23the hem of the cloak,

00:48:24and the,

00:48:25and the tape,

00:48:26neither,

00:48:27They are original,

00:48:28is added,

00:48:29the little angel,

00:48:30neither,

00:48:30because it is part of it,

00:48:32Furthermore,

00:48:32You take away the angel,

00:48:34You remove that border from the cloak,

00:48:36remove the stars,

00:48:37and you also remove,

00:48:38any,

00:48:39of the things you remove,

00:48:40or the black belt,

00:48:42anything,

00:48:43that you remove,

00:48:44of the border,

00:48:44from the image,

00:48:45of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

00:48:46and it is lost,

00:48:47the golden ratio,

00:48:49And we already saw,

00:48:50in the previous session,

00:48:52as,

00:48:52the golden ratio,

00:48:54not only,

00:48:55It covers one aspect,

00:48:56but,

00:48:57encompasses,

00:48:57whole,

00:48:58and the part,

00:48:59So,

00:49:00are added,

00:49:02No,

00:49:04father,

00:49:06Her name is not Guadalupe,

00:49:09is called,

00:49:10Tecuatlacupeo,

00:49:14Cuatlalope,

00:49:16Tecuazalupe,

00:49:18Tecuatlacupeo,

00:49:19Cuatacatucupre,

00:49:20You know?

00:49:21Oh,

00:49:21that worries you,

00:49:22tecupe,

00:49:23tecupe,

00:49:24tecupe,

00:49:25tecupe,

00:49:26tecupe,

00:49:26because she is the woman who crushes the serpent,

00:49:29because it is the one that,

00:49:30who knows,

00:49:30All the explanations are there.

00:49:32There you have it,

00:49:34never,

00:49:34There is no,

00:49:35one,

00:49:36one,

00:49:37one,

00:49:37Do you know how much one is?

00:49:38One,

00:49:39a,

00:49:40a document,

00:49:42that is mentioned,

00:49:44Tecuatlacupeo,

00:49:45Guadalope,

00:49:46Tecuazacupeo,

00:49:47tequantake,

00:49:47There isn't a single document,

00:49:50always,

00:49:51to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:49:53It has been called Guadalupe,

00:49:55from Nicanopogua,

00:49:58down to the last document,

00:49:59It has always been called Guadalupe,

00:50:02There is a priest,

00:50:04or there was a priest,

00:50:05Luis Becerra Tanco,

00:50:06who made a mistake,

00:50:08Because he says,

00:50:09because in Nahuatl,

00:50:11It doesn't exist.

00:50:12the letter D,

00:50:13nor the G,

00:50:14or the pronunciation,

00:50:16There is no D and G,

00:50:18everything is,

00:50:19la mantlisistli,

00:50:20I mean,

00:50:20There isn't even a D,

00:50:21nor G,

00:50:22TRUE?

00:50:22It doesn't exist,

00:50:24indeed,

00:50:25It doesn't exist.

00:50:26so,

00:50:27Juan Bernardino,

00:50:28which was here,

00:50:29in Santa María de Guadalupe,

00:50:30gives it his name,

00:50:31That is what they will call me,

00:50:33That's what they'll call me,

00:50:34Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:50:37Juan Bernardino,

00:50:38He couldn't have understood,

00:50:40Guadalupe,

00:50:42or if Juan Bernardino,

00:50:44He understood,

00:50:45I mean,

00:50:45That's what he heard,

00:50:46He couldn't have told her.

00:50:48to Friar Juan de Sumárraga,

00:50:50why not,

00:50:51He doesn't know the letter D.

00:50:53nor the G,

00:50:54what he didn't remember,

00:50:56Luis Becerra Tanco,

00:50:57than in D and G,

00:50:58Yes, you are right.

00:51:00what he didn't remember,

00:51:01Luis Becerra Tanco,

00:51:02the thing is,

00:51:03even though they don't have the D and the G,

00:51:05Juan Bernardino,

00:51:06and Juan Diego,

00:51:07They already had,

00:51:09five years since converting,

00:51:10or a little more,

00:51:11because they,

00:51:12They were baptized,

00:51:13in fifteen hundred,

00:51:15twenty-four,

00:51:16of fifteen hundred,

00:51:17twenty-four,

00:51:17one thousand five hundred,

00:51:18thirty-one,

00:51:19I'm not a mathematician,

00:51:19Add that up,

00:51:20But it's been more than five years.

00:51:22So,

00:51:24when they were baptized,

00:51:25it was put on him,

00:51:26the name of Juan Bernardino,

00:51:28and the name of Juan Diego,

00:51:29So,

00:51:30they,

00:51:31They no longer called each other,

00:51:32cuautlatoatzin,

00:51:32but Juan Diego,

00:51:34and in their very names,

00:51:37If you notice,

00:51:38that exist there,

00:51:40are the,

00:51:42the one of,

00:51:43Juan,

00:51:45Diego,

00:51:49as well as a father,

00:51:50What are you telling me?

00:51:51obvious,

00:51:53It's not obvious,

00:51:54It's obvious,

00:51:55obvious,

00:51:55because it is,

00:51:56B-U-V,

00:51:57Well,

00:51:58It's Juan,

00:51:59Diego,

00:52:02and Juan Bernal,

00:52:05Dino,

00:52:08Guadalupe,

00:52:11I mean,

00:52:13the one of,

00:52:15Guadalupe,

00:52:17perfectly,

00:52:18besides,

00:52:19There is no G,

00:52:21perfect,

00:52:21but if the pronunciation,

00:52:23Gua,

00:52:24Nahuatl,

00:52:27Tea,

00:52:28Guantepec,

00:52:31Teotihuacan,

00:52:33I mean,

00:52:33Gua,

00:52:34Gua,

00:52:35Gua,

00:52:35I understand that.

00:52:37It's as if,

00:52:38If you tell me one word,

00:52:40so in English,

00:52:41but he has half Spanish,

00:52:43Ah,

00:52:43I understand that.

00:52:44because it sounds,

00:52:45Well,

00:52:45well, that's how it is,

00:52:46Tehuantepec,

00:52:48Nahuatl,

00:52:48Well,

00:52:49Guadalupe,

00:52:50Guadalupe,

00:52:51If I can,

00:52:52perfectly,

00:52:53now,

00:52:53not everything is memory,

00:52:56not everything is,

00:52:57intellectual capacity,

00:52:59from an indigenous person,

00:53:00which in itself,

00:53:01will be very high,

00:53:02It's not just that,

00:53:04but it is also grace,

00:53:06Remember this,

00:53:07from Bernardita,

00:53:09Bernadette in Lourdes,

00:53:11I had a bad memory,

00:53:13when he asks,

00:53:14what is your name?

00:53:15I am the Immaculate Conception,

00:53:16What did Bernardita do?

00:53:18I am the Immaculate Conception,

00:53:19I am the Immaculate Conception,

00:53:20I am the Immaculate Conception,

00:53:20He ran away,

00:53:21saying the word,

00:53:22the phrase,

00:53:23so that he doesn't forget,

00:53:24And he arrives and says to the priest,

00:53:26I am the Immaculate Conception,

00:53:28Who told you that?

00:53:28The lady,

00:53:29good,

00:53:30well,

00:53:31Juan Bernardino,

00:53:32to whom Our Lady of Guadalupe appears,

00:53:34and heal Juan Bernardino,

00:53:36good,

00:53:37Well, Guadalupe understands,

00:53:38because of the pronunciation,

00:53:41because they have,

00:53:42in their names,

00:53:43D and G,

00:53:44and also,

00:53:45because,

00:53:46For there is the grace of God,

00:53:48And that's what it has always been called,

00:53:50father,

00:53:50What happens,

00:53:52What happens,

00:53:53the thing is,

00:53:55Well, people say that,

00:53:57They brought her from Spain,

00:53:58indeed,

00:53:59in Spain,

00:54:00in Extremadura,

00:54:02Spain,

00:54:02this,

00:54:03the place of Guadalupe,

00:54:04Guadalupe,

00:54:05it's not,

00:54:07in Aguatl,

00:54:07Guadalupe,

00:54:09It's a Spanish word,

00:54:11Arab,

00:54:11Spanishized,

00:54:13Guadialu,

00:54:14what is it,

00:54:15riverbed,

00:54:16And this is very,

00:54:17very important,

00:54:18because?

00:54:19because the river,

00:54:20who is it?

00:54:22the source of living water,

00:54:23who is it?

00:54:25who is it?

00:54:26Christ,

00:54:27Christ,

00:54:28is the source,

00:54:29from me,

00:54:30torrents of living water will spring forth,

00:54:32Jesus Christ says,

00:54:33in the Gospel of Saint John,

00:54:34but,

00:54:35Who is the channel?

00:54:36Where does the water come from?

00:54:39By Mary,

00:54:40All to Jesus through Mary,

00:54:42all to Mary,

00:54:43for Jesus,

00:54:44Maria is,

00:54:45the mediator of all graces,

00:54:47That's how he presents it,

00:54:49the Lumen Gentium,

00:54:50at the Second Vatican Council,

00:54:52And that is how Jesus came to us.

00:54:53in history,

00:54:55through Mary,

00:54:56Well,

00:54:57Guadalupe,

00:54:58Guadialu,

00:54:59which are Arabic words,

00:55:01already Hispanicized,

00:55:02as well as,

00:55:02I wish,

00:55:03that often,

00:55:04we say,

00:55:05means,

00:55:05God willing,

00:55:06or if Allah wills it,

00:55:08It's a word,

00:55:09They are two Arabic words,

00:55:11Spanishized,

00:55:12Thus Guadalupe,

00:55:13Guadalupe,

00:55:14Guadialu,

00:55:15It is the Grava Negra riverbed,

00:55:17or also,

00:55:18riverbed,

00:55:20the source of living water,

00:55:21It is Jesus Christ,

00:55:22and,

00:55:23the riverbed is Maria,

00:55:24And precisely,

00:55:25That's what happens.

00:55:27in Mexico,

00:55:28good,

00:55:28Well, they brought her.

00:55:29from Extremadura,

00:55:30Spain,

00:55:30because,

00:55:31Well, there's the image.

00:55:32of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:55:33Do you know what the problem is?

00:55:36It's just that it looks too similar.

00:55:38That's the problem.

00:55:40It looks too much like it,

00:55:42because in Extremadura,

00:55:43Spain,

00:55:43There is the image,

00:55:44of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:55:46And here I am going to introduce her to you,

00:55:48It has two eyes,

00:55:54has a nose,

00:55:57and it has a mouth,

00:55:58Doesn't she look like the Virgin of Guadalupe?

00:56:01This is the image,

00:56:02of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:56:04which is in Extremadura,

00:56:05Spain,

00:56:05Oh no, Father.

00:56:06But that's not it.

00:56:08It's the one that's there,

00:56:09in the choir,

00:56:10Hence the friars,

00:56:11Jerónimos,

00:56:12She's the one in the choir,

00:56:13at the top,

00:56:14that image,

00:56:17Let's assume that,

00:56:18Well,

00:56:19that it's from that image,

00:56:20from which she takes it,

00:56:21we're going to notice,

00:56:21just like when they put us,

00:56:22in the cartoons,

00:56:24the difference,

00:56:25find the differences,

00:56:26And there are two people like that,

00:56:27a box,

00:56:28find the differences,

00:56:30Well,

00:56:30from that image,

00:56:31that you see there,

00:56:32What is one of the differences?

00:56:34A very noticeable one,

00:56:35the child,

00:56:37here in Guadalupe,

00:56:38It's in the womb,

00:56:39and there,

00:56:39It has already been born,

00:56:42other,

00:56:44the dress,

00:56:45It's in Guadalupe,

00:56:48one side doesn't touch the other,

00:56:49and here,

00:56:50If it's someone else's turn,

00:56:52You're going to say,

00:56:53father,

00:56:53There's the moon,

00:56:54and the little angel,

00:56:55Yeah,

00:56:55They put that on him,

00:56:56And that historically,

00:56:57It is dated,

00:56:58in the 18th century,

00:56:59to make it look like it,

00:57:00to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:57:02but so bad,

00:57:03they did,

00:57:04the work,

00:57:05I mean,

00:57:05so bad,

00:57:06so you can see,

00:57:06even that,

00:57:08so that they realize,

00:57:09that,

00:57:09that was us,

00:57:10The Spanish,

00:57:11Those of us who wanted to do this,

00:57:13so that it would look similar,

00:57:13Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:57:14from Mexico,

00:57:15TRUE?

00:57:17They placed the moon on it,

00:57:19above the foot,

00:57:22Look closely,

00:57:24Here is Guadalupe,

00:57:25He's stepping on the moon,

00:57:27and there,

00:57:28the moon,

00:57:28It's the one she's stepping on,

00:57:30the Virgin's foot,

00:57:31so you can see,

00:57:31even the bad,

00:57:33that was done,

00:57:34that addition,

00:57:35in the 18th century,

00:57:36so,

00:57:37Well, they brought it from Spain.

00:57:39because we know,

00:57:39That's it,

00:57:40completely,

00:57:42fake,

00:57:43TRUE?

00:57:43because?

00:57:44Because neither the original,

00:57:45Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:57:46in Spain,

00:57:47It looks like it,

00:57:48I mean,

00:57:48It has nothing to do with it,

00:57:49with our Mexican Virgin,

00:57:51nor,

00:57:52the one in the choir,

00:57:53because there are many differences,

00:57:55besides,

00:57:55The Virgin is watching,

00:57:57that,

00:57:57He is looking straight ahead,

00:57:58and Guadalupe,

00:57:59is watching,

00:58:00sideways,

00:58:01good,

00:58:01father,

00:58:05that wasn't said,

00:58:06There is a Guadalupan silence,

00:58:09It even sounds like,

00:58:11The Rose of Guadalupe,

00:58:13heart of passion,

00:58:18sounds like,

00:58:19like a soap opera,

00:58:20Guadalupe silence,

00:58:24that in 100 years,

00:58:25I mean,

00:58:25out of a thousand,

00:58:26when Juan Diego dies,

00:58:27which is in 1548,

00:58:29in 1548,

00:58:31Juan Diego dies,

00:58:31and dies,

00:58:32Friar Juan de Sumárraga,

00:58:33until 1648,

00:58:36that Father Miguel Sánchez,

00:58:38publishes,

00:58:38for the first time,

00:58:40what it is,

00:58:40or what they were,

00:58:41the,

00:58:42the apparitions,

00:58:43of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:58:44on Tepeyaca Hill,

00:58:45Saint Juan Diego,

00:58:46Cuauhto,

00:58:46Atuatzin,

00:58:47that in those 100 years,

00:58:49never,

00:58:50It was discussed,

00:58:50of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

00:58:52Nothing was ever said,

00:58:54and that there are no documents,

00:58:55Yeah,

00:58:56You all just sit there,

00:58:58And they tell me,

00:58:59father,

00:58:59There are no documents.

00:59:00Well, if you just sit there,

00:59:01Of course,

00:59:02You won't find them.

00:59:03But if you start looking,

00:59:05as Monsignor Eduardo Chávez did,

00:59:07as well as Father José Luis Guerrero,

00:59:09and others,

00:59:10this,

00:59:10but mainly,

00:59:11Monsignor Eduardo Chávez,

00:59:13that,

00:59:13I admire it very much,

00:59:14I repeat,

00:59:15well,

00:59:15obviously,

00:59:16You'll realize,

00:59:17If you want to invite me,

00:59:19for,

00:59:20to introduce them,

00:59:21This document,

00:59:22which is a copy,

00:59:23original,

00:59:24from Nican Mopogua,

00:59:26Written by Antonio Valeriano,

00:59:28If you want to invite me,

00:59:29I'll take them,

00:59:30there where it is,

00:59:31that original copy,

00:59:32there,

00:59:32There we see,

00:59:33a,

00:59:34a photograph,

00:59:36Do you want me to take you?

00:59:37where is the,

00:59:38Yeah,

00:59:39Yeah,

00:59:40I'll take them,

00:59:40Well,

00:59:42Azul's,

00:59:42He already committed,

00:59:44He's in New York,

00:59:45He's going to retract his statement.

00:59:51You also said,

00:59:52You also said,

00:59:53No,

00:59:54You also said,

00:59:55that's going to take me away,

00:59:55and what he wants to see,

00:59:56the original,

00:59:57Well,

00:59:58If you want to see,

00:59:58the original copy,

01:00:00this,

01:00:00in,

01:00:01New York,

01:00:02in the,

01:00:03in the bookstore,

01:00:04this,

01:00:04public New York,

01:00:05in the Lennox collection,

01:00:07There it is,

01:00:08the copy,

01:00:09older,

01:00:10that is known,

01:00:11an original copy,

01:00:12written by,

01:00:13Antonio Valeriano,

01:00:13who was the indigenous person,

01:00:15this,

01:00:16very,

01:00:16close to Juan Diego,

01:00:18obviously,

01:00:18which he listened to for 15 years,

01:00:21the event,

01:00:22and who writes the Nicamopowa,

01:00:24between 1545,

01:00:25and 1548,

01:00:27good,

01:00:27Well then,

01:00:28see you,

01:00:29We'll work something out in a bit.

01:00:30for,

01:00:31Check about the tickets,

01:00:33to see my points,

01:00:35and all,

01:00:38this,

01:00:38Oh well, that's just how it is.

01:00:39no way,

01:00:40It's already burned down here.

01:00:42You'll take me too,

01:00:43sorry,

01:00:46because it's in New York,

01:00:48Remember this,

01:00:49that our very dear,

01:00:50brothers and neighbors,

01:00:52this,

01:00:52They invaded us,

01:00:54and they took it away,

01:00:55things,

01:00:55but,

01:00:56son,

01:00:56The bad thing is that they're recording me.

01:00:58But this one,

01:00:59But that's great!

01:01:02that they took her away,

01:01:03excellent,

01:01:04because that's fine,

01:01:05Be careful,

01:01:06No,

01:01:07so that you can reach the originals,

01:01:09It's really complicated,

01:01:11TRUE?

01:01:11that is,

01:01:12They put a screen on you,

01:01:13You sit down,

01:01:14And there you see everything,

01:01:15No?

01:01:16on the screen,

01:01:17if they can give you permission,

01:01:18so that you can take,

01:01:19But there is a person there,

01:01:21lest,

01:01:23spiders around there,

01:01:24TRUE?

01:01:24but,

01:01:25Well, it's good that he's there.

01:01:27Excuse me,

01:01:27They're recording me.

01:01:28But that's fine.

01:01:29Be careful,

01:01:30And we know,

01:01:30Furthermore,

01:01:31We'll even do a tour, then.

01:01:32From there we went to Atlanta,

01:01:33and,

01:01:34and,

01:01:34to Washington,

01:01:36and,

01:01:37There's one there.

01:01:39I'll organize a pilgrimage for them,

01:01:40With pleasure,

01:01:42not holy places,

01:01:44but there are tourist attractions,

01:01:46TRUE?

01:01:46very good,

01:01:50neither,

01:01:50I don't know,

01:01:51No,

01:01:51nothing else,

01:01:52I only know Miami,

01:01:54because I'm a Miami Dolphins fan,

01:01:55good,

01:01:57that there was no document,

01:01:59Well, there they are.

01:02:00For example,

01:02:01There is an image,

01:02:02at the bottom,

01:02:04of,

01:02:04Hey,

01:02:05Baltar Echave,

01:02:07from the year 1606,

01:02:08It is dated,

01:02:09The interesting thing is,

01:02:10that he paints,

01:02:11Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

01:02:12in a table,

01:02:14but paint the tilma,

01:02:15If you look very closely,

01:02:17There are the folds,

01:02:19I mean,

01:02:19He painted everything,

01:02:21I mean,

01:02:22The image was even folded,

01:02:24because it was placed in the hermitage,

01:02:26So,

01:02:26is,

01:02:27how they were, even down to the folds,

01:02:28And another important thing,

01:02:30paint right down to the thread,

01:02:32that runs,

01:02:33to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:02:34Remember that there are two fabrics,

01:02:36joined by a thread,

01:02:37that runs from bottom to top,

01:02:39in the little angel,

01:02:40If that thread is noticeable,

01:02:42And if you get closer,

01:02:43Yes, it's noticeable.

01:02:43Furthermore,

01:02:44in the original copies,

01:02:45You can see the thread going up,

01:02:47this,

01:02:48and,

01:02:48like Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

01:02:50is turning to his,

01:02:51to his right,

01:02:52the thread runs,

01:02:53and it happens,

01:02:54because of what the cloak is,

01:02:55That's why he doesn't touch his face,

01:02:57but,

01:02:58Baltasar Echave,

01:02:59that,

01:03:00he,

01:03:00this,

01:03:01He puts his name,

01:03:02and puts,

01:03:03one thousand six hundred and six,

01:03:04I mean,

01:03:05very close to the event,

01:03:07he,

01:03:07even,

01:03:08He even puts that thread on,

01:03:10so that we realize,

01:03:12of the old,

01:03:12These are testimonies,

01:03:13apart,

01:03:14the escalating codex,

01:03:15which is the codex of one thousand five hundred and forty-eight,

01:03:18signed by Friar Bernardino de Sagún,

01:03:21So,

01:03:22We see that there are many,

01:03:23many documents,

01:03:24the Nican Moctepana of fifteen hundred,

01:03:27Hey,

01:03:27ninety,

01:03:28and there are other documents as well,

01:03:30many others,

01:03:31who tell us about Saint Mary,

01:03:33no tecuantracupeo,

01:03:35no quadralope,

01:03:36no tecuaslalupe,

01:03:37but,

01:03:38Guadalupe,

01:03:40good,

01:03:42another thing,

01:03:43another interesting thing,

01:03:45And with that,

01:03:46Well, we're finished now.

01:03:47our course,

01:03:49another very interesting thing,

01:03:51the name of Mary,

01:03:53or the person of Mary,

01:03:54always united,

01:03:56to the name,

01:03:57or the person,

01:03:58from Juan,

01:03:59Maria means,

01:04:01the one chosen by God,

01:04:02the one chosen by God,

01:04:04or the illuminator,

01:04:05The light is our Lord Jesus Christ,

01:04:07she is,

01:04:08the one that reflects the light of our Lord,

01:04:10And Juan means,

01:04:12God is mercy,

01:04:13God is merciful,

01:04:15But notice how,

01:04:16If we talk about,

01:04:18incarnation,

01:04:20does,

01:04:20more than two thousand years,

01:04:22and we talked about,

01:04:23event,

01:04:24apparitions of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

01:04:26in 1531,

01:04:28we'll realize it,

01:04:29as much,

01:04:30in Sacred Scripture,

01:04:31like in Mexico,

01:04:33the name of Mary,

01:04:34is united,

01:04:35to Juan's,

01:04:36For example,

01:04:37Maria,

01:04:38visits her cousin,

01:04:39Saint Elizabeth,

01:04:40And who is the one jumping?

01:04:42in the womb,

01:04:43Juan,

01:04:45John the Baptist,

01:04:47Notice how,

01:04:49as we said,

01:04:49What does Guadalupe mean?

01:04:51Guadalupe,

01:04:54what does it mean,

01:04:55riverbed,

01:04:57TRUE,

01:04:58riverbed,

01:04:59good,

01:05:00the text,

01:05:00from Sacred Scripture,

01:05:01It says that when,

01:05:02Maria greeted,

01:05:03to Isabel,

01:05:04the boy jumped,

01:05:06in the womb,

01:05:06But Isabel,

01:05:07It is full,

01:05:08of the Holy Spirit,

01:05:09Maria is the one who communicates,

01:05:10the Holy Spirit,

01:05:11No,

01:05:12who communicates it,

01:05:13It is Jesus,

01:05:14his son,

01:05:15that is in the womb,

01:05:16Jesus is the one who communicates,

01:05:18but through whom,

01:05:19barely,

01:05:21my ears heard,

01:05:22the voice of Jesus,

01:05:24No,

01:05:24the voice of Mary,

01:05:25I mean,

01:05:25Maria went,

01:05:26the riverbed,

01:05:28so that the Holy Spirit,

01:05:30enter,

01:05:31in,

01:05:32in Isabel,

01:05:33and purify,

01:05:34to John the Baptist,

01:05:35even from the womb,

01:05:36come like,

01:05:37up to this point,

01:05:38It appears in Holy Scripture,

01:05:40Maria visits her cousin,

01:05:41Saint Elizabeth,

01:05:42and the one who jumps is,

01:05:44Juan,

01:05:45No, Isabel.

01:05:46It is Juan who jumps,

01:05:47good,

01:05:48when Jesus is on the cross,

01:05:50women,

01:05:50There's your son,

01:05:51son,

01:05:52There's your mother,

01:05:52Which apostle was it?

01:05:54What does it mean?

01:05:56God,

01:05:57He is merciful,

01:06:01the first bishop,

01:06:02that arrives,

01:06:03to our country,

01:06:05is called,

01:06:05It was called,

01:06:06Julian Garces,

01:06:07to be a Dominican bishop,

01:06:08But the first bishop,

01:06:09of the,

01:06:10diocese of Mexico,

01:06:12and then,

01:06:13first,

01:06:13archdiocese,

01:06:14which was Mexico,

01:06:15What was his/her name?

01:06:16the first bishop,

01:06:18from Mexico?

01:06:20Juan,

01:06:21from Sumarraga,

01:06:22To whom did he appear?

01:06:25Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:06:26December 9th,

01:06:28of 1531,

01:06:29to Juan,

01:06:32Diego,

01:06:33Who did he heal?

01:06:35Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:06:36in Tulpetlac,

01:06:37December 12th,

01:06:38of 1531,

01:06:39in the early morning,

01:06:41to Juan,

01:06:42Bernardino,

01:06:44which is the fifth appearance,

01:06:45Maria,

01:06:46to,

01:06:47Juan Bernardino,

01:06:48good,

01:06:50What was his name?

01:06:51the translator,

01:06:52by Friar Juan de Sumarraga,

01:06:54because Friar Juan de Sumarraga,

01:06:55He did not speak Nahuatl,

01:06:56and Juan Diego,

01:06:57He didn't speak Spanish,

01:06:59What was his name?

01:06:59the translator,

01:07:01Juan González,

01:07:05what's it called,

01:07:07the only Pope,

01:07:09that he has put,

01:07:10on their shield,

01:07:11a letter,

01:07:13and that letter,

01:07:14It's M,

01:07:15and that M,

01:07:17refers to,

01:07:18to Mary,

01:07:19what's it called,

01:07:20the only Pope,

01:07:22that he put on,

01:07:23the M of Mary,

01:07:24to his shield,

01:07:25John Paul II,

01:07:32What was it?

01:07:33the first temple,

01:07:34that he visited,

01:07:36that Pope,

01:07:36that he put,

01:07:37on their shield,

01:07:39the M of Mary,

01:07:41the Basilica,

01:07:44What did he see?

01:07:44the Pope,

01:07:45when he saw,

01:07:46orderly,

01:07:46If you go to a church,

01:07:48There is the cross,

01:07:49head on,

01:07:50and the image of the Virgin,

01:07:51You have it on the left,

01:07:53Yeah?

01:07:54the Pope,

01:07:54when he put his,

01:07:56cross,

01:07:56on their shield,

01:07:57the M,

01:07:57She put it on,

01:07:58to the right,

01:08:00If you go to the Basilica,

01:08:01from Guadalupe,

01:08:02you enter,

01:08:03And what's the first thing you see?

01:08:04the cross,

01:08:05huge, ...

01:08:06that's on the wall,

01:08:08and you see the image,

01:08:09of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:08:10Do you see it on the left?

01:08:12No,

01:08:13You see it on the right,

01:08:14I mean,

01:08:15What was the first thing he saw?

01:08:16John Paul II,

01:08:17when he entered head-on,

01:08:18Do you remember,

01:08:19those beautiful images,

01:08:21young,

01:08:22the Pope,

01:08:22newly appointed,

01:08:24in October,

01:08:24It arrives in Mexico in January.

01:08:26enter the Basilica of Guadalupe,

01:08:28And what's the first thing he sees?

01:08:29his shield,

01:08:32He sees his shield,

01:08:33See the cross,

01:08:35and go to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:08:37That is the cross,

01:08:38and the M of Mary,

01:08:40And that is why the Pope says,

01:08:41there,

01:08:42in Mexico,

01:08:43That's where it all began,

01:08:45What was it?

01:08:46or what it has been,

01:08:46the only Pope,

01:08:48throughout history,

01:08:49Our Lady of Guadalupe disappeared,

01:08:50and it was printed in 1531,

01:08:53And we're talking about 2015,

01:08:54Who is the only Pope,

01:08:56throughout history,

01:08:58who has kissed the foot,

01:08:59of Our Lady of Guadalupe?

01:09:02John Paul II,

01:09:04and Juan Diego,

01:09:06dies,

01:09:07in 1548,

01:09:10Everyone called him,

01:09:13holy man,

01:09:14everyone,

01:09:15Even from the first images,

01:09:17the very first images,

01:09:19that were made of Juan Diego,

01:09:20They were already calling it Oriola,

01:09:22and to everyone,

01:09:23TRUE?

01:09:24But no one had dared,

01:09:26to canonize him,

01:09:27nor to beatify him,

01:09:29nobody,

01:09:30nor Benedicts,

01:09:32nor Pius,

01:09:33nor Juanes,

01:09:35nor Pablos,

01:09:37the Pope who dared,

01:09:40to beatify,

01:09:42to Juan Diego,

01:09:42was,

01:09:43John Paul II,

01:09:45and to canonize him,

01:09:46the 30th,

01:09:47Well,

01:09:47He beatified him,

01:09:49the 6th,

01:09:51the 6th,

01:09:52May,

01:09:53of 1990,

01:09:57when he came,

01:10:0090,

01:10:01and he was canonized,

01:10:02the 31st,

01:10:04July,

01:10:05from 2002,

01:10:07Juan Diego,

01:10:08So,

01:10:09we see how,

01:10:11the Pope who canonizes,

01:10:13to Juan Diego,

01:10:14He is a Pope,

01:10:14deeply Marian,

01:10:16and canonizes,

01:10:17dares,

01:10:18to beatify,

01:10:20and dares,

01:10:20to canonize,

01:10:22and so,

01:10:22It reminds us,

01:10:23the Náiní Camopogo,

01:10:25which says,

01:10:26I would be very grateful,

01:10:27I will reward you greatly,

01:10:30I will reward you greatly,

01:10:32for all your effort,

01:10:33And you're going to say,

01:10:34Oh father,

01:10:35Well, the Virgin,

01:10:36It seemed like it took a while.

01:10:37in thanking him,

01:10:38to Juan Diego,

01:10:39TRUE?

01:10:40one thing,

01:10:41is that he be beatified,

01:10:42until 1990,

01:10:43and is canonized,

01:10:44until 2002,

01:10:46And another thing,

01:10:46It is because of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

01:10:48may have taken it,

01:10:49the day,

01:10:50in which he died,

01:10:51in 1548,

01:10:52Furthermore,

01:10:53There are chronicles,

01:10:54it is said,

01:10:56that day,

01:10:57in which Juan Diego died,

01:10:59Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:11:01He approaches her,

01:11:02and he takes it away,

01:11:04So,

01:11:05No, obviously.

01:11:06physically,

01:11:07But when he dies,

01:11:08It is Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:11:10who,

01:11:11He takes it,

01:11:13that's why,

01:11:14Well, for us,

01:11:15Mexicans,

01:11:16Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:11:18is someone,

01:11:19very special,

01:11:21It's very special,

01:11:23We say it,

01:11:23in singing,

01:11:25more well known,

01:11:26of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:11:29Because for the Mexican,

01:11:31to be a Guadalupano,

01:11:33It is essential,

01:11:36There are no Portuguese people.

01:11:37I mean,

01:11:38I am Fatimid,

01:11:40through Our Lady of Fatima,

01:11:42There are no French people.

01:11:43I mean,

01:11:44I am a Lourdes native,

01:11:46through Our Lady of Lourdes,

01:11:48but there isn't,

01:11:48Mexican Catholic,

01:11:50that he doesn't say,

01:11:51I am a Guadalupano,

01:11:52because?

01:11:54Because for the Mexican,

01:11:55to be a Guadalupano,

01:11:56It is essential,

01:11:58on one occasion,

01:11:59a little drunk,

01:12:00He approached me,

01:12:01the little drunkard,

01:12:02I was sober,

01:12:04I was sober,

01:12:06the little drunkard,

01:12:08He approaches me,

01:12:10he tells me,

01:12:10father,

01:12:11I am one of you,

01:12:15And I see him drunk,

01:12:18And you say,

01:12:19Ah,

01:12:20Wow,

01:12:20This guy,

01:12:21I don't have it registered,

01:12:23on the page,

01:12:23TRUE?

01:12:24I am one of you,

01:12:28father,

01:12:28I'm just a mule,

01:12:30What do you mean you're one of us?

01:12:32Yeah,

01:12:32and gets up,

01:12:33the sleeve,

01:12:34And here it is tattooed,

01:12:36to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:12:39remembering,

01:12:39And it reminded me,

01:12:41that beautiful text,

01:12:42of singing,

01:12:42of the songs,

01:12:43which says,

01:12:44my wife,

01:12:45my beloved,

01:12:46I have you engraved in my memory,

01:12:47like a stamp on my shoulder,

01:12:49like a seal on my heart,

01:12:51That's how we carried Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:12:54We have it recorded,

01:12:56deep down,

01:12:58from our hearts,

01:12:59That's why when,

01:13:01It's well said,

01:13:02She is the Mexican Virgin,

01:13:03well yes,

01:13:03She is the Mexican Virgin,

01:13:05because,

01:13:06We are proud,

01:13:07that it has appeared here in Mexico,

01:13:10But she is the Virgin Mary for everyone.

01:13:12It's the only image,

01:13:14of the Virgin Mary,

01:13:14which is present on all five continents,

01:13:17In that way,

01:13:18so,

01:13:19so present,

01:13:20Furthermore,

01:13:21He's even in heaven,

01:13:22because?

01:13:23because on a satellite,

01:13:24There is a small holy card,

01:13:26of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:13:27There is a photograph,

01:13:28of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:13:29on one of the arms,

01:13:30from the satellite,

01:13:31He's watching us from over there,

01:13:32Well,

01:13:32He sees us from the sky,

01:13:33And here he is with us,

01:13:33TRUE?

01:13:34but also here physically,

01:13:36humanly,

01:13:37Even the image is there,

01:13:39there,

01:13:39circling the earth,

01:13:41So,

01:13:42Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:13:44is,

01:13:44mixed race,

01:13:46not only because,

01:13:47There is a mixture,

01:13:48of Spanish,

01:13:50with indigenous people,

01:13:51but also,

01:13:52we see that,

01:13:53She is a woman,

01:13:54that,

01:13:55who is loved,

01:13:57by a Pole,

01:13:58a Polish pope,

01:14:00Therefore,

01:14:01John Paul II,

01:14:03he had it made,

01:14:04an altar,

01:14:05in the heart,

01:14:06of the church,

01:14:07Where is the heart?

01:14:08of the church?

01:14:09in the Vatican,

01:14:11where is,

01:14:12the tomb of Saint Peter?

01:14:14in the Vatican,

01:14:15in the heart,

01:14:17of,

01:14:17of what is the main altar,

01:14:19at the bottom,

01:14:20exactly,

01:14:21linearly,

01:14:22There is the tomb of Saint Peter,

01:14:24It's my turn now.

01:14:25celebrate,

01:14:26the 7th,

01:14:26October,

01:14:28of 1998,

01:14:30celebrated,

01:14:31a mass,

01:14:32at the tomb of Saint Peter,

01:14:33only with my family,

01:14:34I had that one,

01:14:35joy and opportunity,

01:14:37The altar is here,

01:14:38Well,

01:14:38Where is that table?

01:14:40There is another altar,

01:14:42And they know,

01:14:43What image is back there?

01:14:44Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:14:47I mean,

01:14:47next to the altar of Saint Peter,

01:14:49the altar that follows,

01:14:50is,

01:14:51the one of the Virgin of Guadalupe,

01:14:52Pope John Paul II,

01:14:54he asked,

01:14:54that it be done that way,

01:14:55in the heart,

01:14:56of the church,

01:14:57because in another image,

01:14:59because the Virgin of Guadalupe,

01:15:02because the Virgin of Guadalupe,

01:15:04not only,

01:15:05It has a strength,

01:15:07as,

01:15:07as an image,

01:15:08like a miracle,

01:15:10but also,

01:15:10It has a significance,

01:15:12Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:15:13He didn't show up.

01:15:15only,

01:15:15for those people,

01:15:17of 1531,

01:15:19and around that time,

01:15:20It is also,

01:15:21for us,

01:15:22And when there is an intervention,

01:15:24direct from God,

01:15:25an intervention,

01:15:27obvious,

01:15:27In one way,

01:15:28supernatural,

01:15:29and surprising,

01:15:31That's because of this,

01:15:31has an impact,

01:15:33historical,

01:15:33until the end,

01:15:34of the times,

01:15:35Therefore,

01:15:37Yes, Mary of Guadalupe,

01:15:38appeared,

01:15:39in 1531,

01:15:40It's because,

01:15:41she continues,

01:15:42offering us,

01:15:44to his son,

01:15:44our lord,

01:15:45Christ,

01:15:46she continues,

01:15:46manifesting,

01:15:47And that's why,

01:15:48many people,

01:15:49He wants to see her so much,

01:15:50manifested,

01:15:51that even,

01:15:51on the griddles,

01:15:52on the stones,

01:15:54in the windows,

01:15:56in,

01:15:57on the wall,

01:15:58in the shoe,

01:16:00in,

01:16:01in,

01:16:01in the cap,

01:16:04on the plate,

01:16:06whichever way I turn,

01:16:08Look, Father,

01:16:08Here is the image,

01:16:09of Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:16:10because it has,

01:16:11because it has in Mexico,

01:16:13that importance,

01:16:14But it has something for the world,

01:16:14that importance,

01:16:16and because,

01:16:17that message,

01:16:17It's the one we have,

01:16:18what to do,

01:16:19transmitting,

01:16:20for me,

01:16:21it's a,

01:16:22it's a,

01:16:22a privilege,

01:16:24but also,

01:16:24a big one,

01:16:25and grave responsibility,

01:16:27We're here,

01:16:28practically,

01:16:2915 years old,

01:16:30to celebrate,

01:16:31the 500 years,

01:16:33from printing,

01:16:33of Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

01:16:36What are we going to do?

01:16:37us,

01:16:37Mexicans,

01:16:38not only,

01:16:39to celebrate it,

01:16:41not only,

01:16:41for,

01:16:42that there are bridges,

01:16:43and,

01:16:43and balloons,

01:16:48and from the sky,

01:16:49a beautiful,

01:16:50tomorrow,

01:16:51and the band,

01:16:51and all,

01:16:52Good father,

01:16:52very folkloric,

01:16:53not only,

01:16:54For that purpose,

01:16:55or to sing to him,

01:16:58to you,

01:16:59little virgin,

01:17:00December 12th,

01:17:01that everyone,

01:17:03They are recorded,

01:17:04all the artists,

01:17:05to you,

01:17:05little virgin,

01:17:06and singing to him,

01:17:08not only,

01:17:09to honor her in this way,

01:17:10What are we going to do?

01:17:11from here,

01:17:12by 2031,

01:17:14to transmit,

01:17:15the message,

01:17:16that she has left us,

01:17:18And so that, as Mexicans,

01:17:19let's know,

01:17:20answer him,

01:17:21in conversion,

01:17:22according to what she asks of us,

01:17:24We already said,

01:17:25that of 1531,

01:17:271540,

01:17:28they became,

01:17:29more than 9 million,

01:17:30of indigenous people,

01:17:32good,

01:17:33what should we do?

01:17:34now,

01:17:35In these times,

01:17:36so that,

01:17:37those who have separated themselves,

01:17:38of God,

01:17:39return to the path,

01:17:40of the conversion,

01:17:41well, to present,

01:17:42to Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:17:44when speaking,

01:17:45abortion,

01:17:45presents Saint Mary of Guadalupe,

01:17:47because she,

01:17:48He comes to bring us,

01:17:49to the owner of life,

01:17:51She's coming to bring us,

01:17:52to Ipanemoguani,

01:17:53for whom one lives,

01:17:54the creator,

01:17:55of people,

01:17:56She's coming,

01:17:57to offer us,

01:17:59to the true,

01:17:59God of life,

01:18:00who is the way,

01:18:02truth and life,

01:18:03the resurrection,

01:18:03and life,

01:18:04who is our Lord,

01:18:04Christ,

01:18:05if we talk,

01:18:06of violence,

01:18:07Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:18:09He is the one who came,

01:18:10to bring peace,

01:18:11to these two towns,

01:18:12irreconcilable,

01:18:14if we talk,

01:18:15of,

01:18:16of so many sins,

01:18:17and so many faults,

01:18:19Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:18:20He speaks to us,

01:18:21conversion,

01:18:22both indigenous people,

01:18:23as of Spaniards,

01:18:24that's why,

01:18:25It is important,

01:18:25that each one of us,

01:18:27not only,

01:18:28Let's turn around and look,

01:18:29the image,

01:18:30of Our Lady of Heaven,

01:18:31but also,

01:18:32let's know,

01:18:32reply,

01:18:34to the queen,

01:18:34of all Mexicans,

01:18:35that we know how to answer,

01:18:37like her,

01:18:38wait,

01:18:39of each one,

01:18:40of us,

01:18:41be,

01:18:42Guadalupanos,

01:18:43It is essential,

01:18:44for us,

01:18:44Mexicans,

01:18:46but it is also,

01:18:47a responsibility,

01:18:48that we have,

01:18:49of being carriers,

01:18:50of this great message,

01:18:51that she,

01:18:52He has left us,

01:18:54good,

01:18:54well, that's how it is,

01:18:55thank you so much,

01:18:57And I wish you,

01:18:58that Our Lady of Guadalupe,

01:19:00cover them,

01:19:00to all of you,

01:19:01with his cloak,

01:19:03full,

01:19:04of stars,

01:19:04And we're going to say,

01:19:05ejaculation,

01:19:07who comes here,

01:19:08my heart,

01:19:09in loving you,

01:19:10eternally,

01:19:11take care of it,

01:19:12thank you so much,

01:19:17and that God,

01:19:18God bless you.

01:19:35that God,

01:19:36of the church,

01:19:37be it,

01:19:37and that God,

01:19:37let me,

01:19:38and that God,

01:19:38of the church,

01:19:39of the church,

01:19:40Thank you.

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