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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma
FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma
FilmsActu X Nicolas Winding Refn (Interview)
© 2025
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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Je dois faire passer sur quelque chose.
06:39Il n'est plus en moi.
06:41Il n'est plus en moi.
06:43Il n'est plus en moi.
06:46Il n'est plus en moi.
06:50Il n'est plus en moi.
06:52Je n'ai encore un peu.
06:54J'ai toujours le même.
06:57Il n'est plus en moi.
07:00Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
07:30by NWR.com
07:32I'll sign your box set
07:34and send it off to you
07:36I am, yeah I'm a huge
07:38fan of 4K
07:40like I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is like
07:43amazing because so many films
07:46can be rewatched
07:49with even better quality
07:50and who doesn't want
07:52that you know so
07:53it's kind of like a new layer of
07:56the new normal for me
07:58so I decided to do all my
08:00films in 4K slowly
08:02rolling them out you know
08:03I think cinema
08:08and television for that matter
08:10has had a very tough time
08:12in the last 10 years or so
08:1410-15 years
08:15gaming, social media, VR
08:18canvases are exploding
08:20and they're constantly evolving
08:22because technology is allowing them to
08:24evolve. Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more
08:28just content
08:30that you almost look at
08:31while you're doing other things
08:33and movies are still
08:35that window of
08:36exclusivity of the
08:38collective experience
08:39but I think that movies
08:41also needs
08:42to re-evaluate
08:44themselves. I remember when we were in
08:46Cannes for Only God Forgives
08:47and I
08:48after everyone had been
08:49booing me for so long
08:51that during my stay
08:53I did say
08:55look
08:55you can be angry
08:57with me and about
08:57my film
08:58but I am
08:59from the future
09:01and I'm going to make
09:01something
09:02that's going to predict
09:03what it's going to be like
09:05if you want to make
09:06films in the future
09:07and
09:08I was right
09:09because
09:09right after
09:10Only God Forgives
09:11the industry changed
09:12because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15and it changed
09:17not so much
09:18what we're making
09:18but it's how we
09:19experienced
09:20film and content
09:22essentially
09:23how we viewed it
09:24and I think that
09:25to justify
09:26or for a movie
09:27to exist
09:28in longevity
09:29you have to
09:30see
09:31what a film can become
09:33rather than
09:33what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38it's all about
09:40the build up
09:40Bang! Bang!
09:41And then it's to the
09:42other wall
09:43Now make it dirty
09:44unique
09:44interesting
09:45never seen before
09:46in violence
09:46I'm not that
09:51strategic
09:52but I will say
09:53that
09:54everything is
09:55an evolution
09:56of something
09:57and
09:58there can be
10:00a tendency
10:00when something
10:02is liked
10:03that
10:03everyone
10:05wants the same
10:07same
10:07but I don't
10:08necessarily think
10:09that's true
10:09it's better to
10:10give them something
10:11else
10:12or something
10:12different
10:13or something
10:14that destroys
10:15your past
10:16in order to
10:17make something
10:18new
10:19to transition
10:20you know
10:20obviously
10:21the two films
10:22are very different
10:23but what ties them
10:24is myself
10:26and Ryan's
10:27interaction
10:28however I find
10:30that interesting
10:30it's like
10:31taking something
10:32and turning it
10:33on its head
10:34it's taking
10:34the ultimate
10:35superhero
10:36in one movie
10:37and emasculating
10:38him in the next
10:39it's taking
10:40one movie
10:41that's very
10:41poppy
10:42and another movie
10:43that's very
10:44esoteric
10:45and that
10:46I think
10:47is what makes
10:49the world
10:49interesting
10:50is that
10:50things can become
10:51different
10:52it can evolve
10:53into other
10:54components
10:55rather than
10:56just always
10:57staying in the
10:58same repeat
10:59lane
10:59because you
11:00very quickly
11:01run out of steam
11:02in my opinion
11:03I was
11:03very happy
11:05but obviously
11:06you know
11:07a lot of harsh
11:08reactions
11:09and a lot
11:11of booing
11:11and screaming
11:12but then
11:12I was like
11:13that's kind
11:14of cool
11:15because then
11:16you're like
11:16sex pistols
11:17of cinema
11:18you know
11:18you're like
11:19the one
11:19everyone throws
11:20bottles at
11:21but you can't
11:22deny it
11:23existence
11:23you can't
11:24really criticize
11:25it because
11:26I did it
11:26my way
11:27the world
11:28will see it
11:29as it continues
11:30to evolve
11:31and you just
11:32have to be
11:33you have to
11:33just to be
11:34trust yourself
11:35so you never
11:36lose your vision
11:36when you have
11:37that strong
11:38reaction
11:38no on the
11:39contrary
11:39you're like
11:40it's like
11:41energy
11:41it's like
11:42just wait
11:42for the next
11:43one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47about only God forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49and it is
11:49I just didn't make
11:51it very expensive
11:52is there a doctor
11:53in the house
11:53we need to get
11:56a medic in here
11:57is there
11:58is there a doctor
11:59around
11:59when you were
12:00mentioning
12:012001
12:02you forgot to add
12:04drive
12:04we'll let that
12:05slip
12:06we won't know
12:07about drive
12:08for another
12:0830 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10whether it lives
12:12or dies
12:12I'm talking about
12:13films
12:132001 was made
12:16in 1968
12:17I made this film
12:19about 4 years ago
12:20so it's about
12:204 years is a zip
12:21it's not even a blip
12:23it's not a pimple
12:25on the asshole
12:27of humanity
12:28what was funny
12:29about talking
12:30to Billy Freakin
12:30was that it was
12:31he had a man
12:33who had struggled
12:34a lot
12:34in Hollywood
12:35and started
12:38very successfully
12:39at a young age
12:40and then
12:42gone into
12:42Sorceress
12:43and you know
12:45was still traumatized
12:47by that experience
12:48after so many years
12:49and I think
12:50that was what
12:51was so sad
12:51in a way
12:52that it had
12:53such an effect
12:54on him
12:54it's a little bit
12:55like Michael Cimino
12:56doing Heaven's Gate
12:57these amazing films
12:59both Sorceress
13:01and Heaven's Gate
13:02are probably
13:03their best films
13:04for some reason
13:05get so destroyed
13:07and then
13:08they lose
13:09sight of themselves
13:10or they lose
13:11their confidence
13:12and it affects
13:12all the other movies
13:14they make afterwards
13:14and I was like
13:16I'm never going to
13:17be like that
13:17because I'm right
13:19you're wrong
13:19I mean I've
13:24done two shows
13:26one with Amazon
13:27one with Netflix
13:27and I like
13:29what I was making
13:30obviously
13:30but I don't know
13:32how much
13:35I want to continue
13:36I may want to
13:37take a break
13:38and go and
13:40make movies again
13:41I've decided
13:42to do more
13:42visual arts
13:44you know
13:45and trying
13:46to find other
13:48areas of creativity
13:50but I think
13:51it's time
13:52to go make
13:53a film again
13:53you said you work
13:54on two shows
13:55but you work
13:55on The Famous Five
13:56also
13:57The Famous Five
13:58was a television show
14:00that I just
14:01how do you say
14:02executive produced
14:03or created
14:04but I had no
14:05involvement in it
14:06otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08the kind of
14:08concept and the story
14:10based on these
14:11very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13was more because
14:13my kids would read
14:14the books
14:15when they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17reading me the books
14:18so it was more like
14:19a past history thing
14:21that came up
14:22as an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28if something is interesting
14:29you know
14:30why not look at it
14:31I've had some
14:31wonderful meetings
14:32in Hollywood
14:33met wonderful people
14:35but in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37that's all I really want
14:39is just to be free
14:40When you work
14:41in Hollywood
14:42there is a contract
14:44some people love that
14:45and can work
14:46within that
14:47it's maybe not
14:49so much my thing
14:50right now
14:51but who knows
14:51maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53you know
14:55big superhero movie
14:56that could be fun
14:59maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00to anything
15:01but at the same time
15:02at the end
15:03you should just
15:04make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06having creative control
15:08which is
15:08easier enough
15:10but it's where
15:11all the money
15:12that's invested
15:13puts a burden
15:15on you
15:15because all that money
15:17has to get
15:17you know
15:18recouped
15:19and then you have to make
15:20a certain type of movie
15:21you don't have the freedom
15:22to do whatever you want
15:23because you're
15:24you're a slave
15:25to the economics
15:26if your film costs
15:28200 million dollars
15:29or 100 million dollars
15:30you need to make
15:31300-400 million dollars
15:32to break even
15:33that already puts a strain
15:34on what kind of movie
15:35can you make
15:36and I don't want
15:37any conditions
15:39on me
15:39at all
15:41you have to be
15:42completely free
15:43I mean
15:48in the beginning
15:49a lot of people
15:49were talking
15:50about another drive
15:51but it was like
15:52that would be
15:53the worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07to live
16:07a fun life
16:09and
16:10it has nothing
16:12to do with fame
16:13you realize
16:15very quickly
16:16it has
16:17that I've had
16:18opportunities
16:19and I've been able
16:20to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24and
16:25it's all been
16:26a lot of fun
16:27but I think
16:28when I started
16:29the idea
16:31of being seen
16:32was very essential
16:33the idea of fame
16:34and fame
16:35being
16:36it's like
16:37an opportunity
16:38it's like a stage
16:39one thing is becoming famous
16:41the next
16:42what are you going to do with it
16:43and obviously
16:44it's like anything
16:45it's an opportunity
16:46I don't get any love
16:48I don't get any love
16:50I don't get to work
16:51all the time
16:52I also want to work
16:54I also want to work
16:55I also want to...
16:56We're going to be here
16:59in Bangkok
16:59for six months
17:00and Yang Han
17:01will make his next film
17:02and I have said
17:03yes to the film
17:04process
17:04it's new
17:06we're going to be with him
17:08when he's filming
17:09when he's filming
17:10last time he made Drive
17:11I was home
17:12in Denmark
17:12with the children
17:13and it took 10 months
17:15and it was just too hard
17:17to be away from each other
17:18my daily life is
17:22I have a routine
17:23I wake up
17:24I do two hour sports
17:26every day
17:27then I usually
17:28have lunch
17:29then I get yelled at
17:31by my kids
17:32I work
17:33at night
17:34and then
17:35try not to
17:37get to bed
17:38too late
17:39and then
17:39Friday comes
17:41and it's weekend
17:42and
17:42you try to relax
17:45a little more
17:45and the next day
17:46is Monday
17:47you watch movies?
17:49I used to watch
17:50a lot of movies
17:51when I was a lot younger
17:52but now it's just
17:53harder and harder
17:54there's other things
17:55that I find interesting
17:56like what?
17:58well I did my first
17:59exhibition
18:00that just opened
18:01in Tokyo
18:02and that's been
18:03a lot of fun
18:03to do that
18:04collaboration
18:05with Hideo Kojima
18:06can you talk about that?
18:09well it's
18:09I created an exhibition
18:11that opened
18:13on Friday
18:14last week
18:15in Tokyo
18:16where I built
18:17this installation
18:18between us
18:20I saw my wife
18:21and my daughter
18:22in the procession
18:23hey
18:24it's me
18:26where are you going?
18:33wait
18:34don't leave without me
18:39don't go
18:44please
18:45don't go
18:47and you are
18:49in Death Stranding 2
18:50I am Heartman
18:52and Heartman
18:53is forever
18:54in Death Stranding
18:55I think that
19:01don't believe
19:02everything you read
19:03on the internet
19:04can you tease us
19:05something?
19:06well believe
19:06everything you read
19:07on the internet
19:08we're going to see
19:18a beautiful film
19:38and I'm going to see
19:49if you don't eat
19:49a beautiful film
19:50and you're going to see
19:51how to do
19:53that
19:54there's a beautiful film
19:54there
19:54no
19:55it's
19:56whatever
19:56it's
19:57you
19:57it's
19:58it's
20:00that
20:00that
20:00there's
20:01you
20:01Sous-titrage FR ?