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00:00ڈاکٹر ابنور پریتم کچھ عرصہ قبل بینگلور سے لہور آئے اور خوب ملاقات ہے
00:24ہمارے بہت ہی محبت کرنے والے دوست ہیں
00:27بالوالہ دور ہی سے فالو کر رہے ہیں
00:29کہاں بینگلور کہاں لہور
00:31لیکن ڈاکٹر ابنور کا دل لہور کے لیے دھڑکتا رہا
00:34اور بلاخر وہ لہور آ گئے
00:37ہم بہت گھومے پھرے
00:38بنسی درمندر گئے
00:39گامنٹ کالیج گئے
00:40انارگلی پھرتے رہے
00:41ڈاکٹر ابنور پریتم کرکٹ ڈاور ہیں
00:44ہریٹیج لور ہیں
00:45لہور لور ہیں
00:47بہت سی جگہوں پہ گئے
00:48ہڑپا گئے ڈاکٹر ابنور پریتم
00:50سالٹ رینج گئے
00:51جانے سے پہلے ایک خوبصورت شام تھی
00:54جب بہت ہی اچھی گپشپ ہوئی
00:56ہم نے سوچا کہ بیورز کے لیے بھی
00:57یہ گفتگو پیش کی جائے
00:59ڈاکٹر صاحب نے بتایا کہ
01:00لہور سے کسی تعلق بغیر بھی
01:02محبت کا راز ہے کیا
01:04ڈاکٹر ابنور قضافی سٹیڈیم گئے
01:06لیکن وہاں تعمیراتی کام جاری تھا
01:08میں نے بینگلورڈ ٹیسٹ یاد دلایا
01:11میری عمر کے لوگوں کو
01:12بینگلورڈ ٹیسٹ یاد ہوگا
01:14جب سنیل کا آواز کر
01:15آخرے وقت تک کھڑے ہو گئے تھے
01:17ہمارے سپنرز اقبال غاسم اور توصیف
01:19بہت لمبے لمبے سپل کر رہے تھے
01:21اس وقت
01:22پاکستان اور بھارت کے درمیان
01:24بیٹسہ پالیسی کو نرم کرنے پر
01:25اسرار کر رہے ہیں ڈاکٹر صاحب
01:28لہور کے کھانے ڈاکٹر صاحب کو
01:29بہت بھلے لگے
01:30ساؤتھ ہنڈیا کے انگلو انڈین کلچر پر
01:33ڈاکٹر صاحب کی تحقیق پر مغز ہے
01:35ڈاکٹر صاحب ایک روشن خیال آدمی ہے
01:37قدیب تاریخ کا مطالعہ بسند کرتے ہیں
01:40رپا کے آثار بھی دیکھنے گئے تھے
01:42ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈرانے والے بھی بہت تھے
01:44کہ لہور نہ جائے وہاں تو لوگ بم باندھ کر پھیر رہے ہیں
01:46لیکن ڈاکٹر صاحب کا ارادہ موسمم تھا
01:49میرے لئے حیرت کی بات تھی
01:50کہ جنوبی ہندوستان میں رہنے والا کوئی شخص
01:53بغیر کسی رشتے کے لہور سے کیسے ٹڑ سکتا ہے
01:56ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کو ڈاکٹر صاحب کیا
02:06Well guys, Dr. Preetham Aoknoor is finally with us from Bangalore, South India
02:11very few people muster up courage to come Lahore from South India
02:16Usually people are frightened, they are discouraged to come Lahore
02:20I don't know why Dr. Preetham would better throw light on it
02:25Doctor, were you frightened before coming to Lahore?
02:29No, not really. There were a lot of people telling things about, you know, why do you have to go there, what exactly it is.
02:38So I think those are the things which was running in my mind.
02:41But, well, the fact of the matter that I am here is only because I wanted to come irrespective of what it is.
02:49And I am here, so I am very happy that I am here.
02:53You have struggled for almost 30 years.
02:59Yeah, see, this is the most interesting part is the struggle to come here, which started off way back in 96 or 98.
03:07The craving to come to Lahore was very strong. Unfortunately, you know, the visa is an issue for any Indian.
03:14And, you know, then I moved to Australia, got my Australian citizenship, a passport.
03:21So that made it easy for me to come to Lahore.
03:24Well, it's quite unfortunate that an Australian can get a visa for Pakistan.
03:29But an Indian usually faces a lot of trouble to get the visa.
03:34Do you think it is your injustice with the people living in the subcontinent?
03:39Okay, I'll tell you.
03:40From the 15th of August, the government of Pakistan decided to make it easy for passport holders of 126 countries, which Australia also is a part of.
03:52But incidentally, if you look at it, India is not there.
03:55Now, the sad part is a lot of Indians have relatives out here and they are the ones who really want to come here because their great grandfathers or, you know, grandfather probably must have been born here.
04:06You know, had good memories and they have been told about this beautiful place, this part of Punjab, Lahore.
04:13And they want to come and see their roots. But, I mean, the visa system is so bad.
04:18It's just, you know, it's very sad that this is happening.
04:22How I wish the government of Pakistan probably will and India, of course, will probably look into it and get into a scene where, you know, probably make it much more easier for people to come in and at least visit their roots and see how it is on the other side of the border.
04:39But not quite often we find South Indians coming to Lahore.
04:44I think you are probably the first person who has come from South India, from Denmark.
04:51See, it's, it's again, there's a big question mark as to why I want to come. Why I want to come here because I have nothing, I mean, it just, it's not my relatives.
05:02It's because normally what happens here is you have, you have people living in Punjab with, you know, their relatives, you know, were here and moved during the partition.
05:12But then I had nothing like that. It just, I was, you know, when things are very difficult to go.
05:19I mean, that, that makes it even more interesting as to, you know, you really want to go there and see what it is.
05:24I've traveled all over. I've been to many countries, but the kind of feeling what I got when I came here was absolutely, you know, I was the happiest person.
05:33So I think the times when, you know, it's hard to describe as to why it is, but I think Lahore for me is something which I really wanted to see.
05:40See, because the other most interesting part is undivided India, there were only two major important cities. One was Delhi and one was Lahore.
05:49Even more than Delhi, it was Lahore because Lahore had anything. It had theatre, it had culture, it had food, it had everything.
05:56And I have heard from a couple of my friends who are Sindhis, from their, you know, grandparents.
06:02I mean, they've told me how beautiful this side was. So that, one of the reasons as to why I wanted to come here and see what.
06:10But for me, in Pakistan, it's only Lahore. I'm not very keen to go anywhere else.
06:17Yeah, it's just Lahore and that's it.
06:21That's very kind of you and Lahore must be happy.
06:24And your wife says, it was, it is perhaps a matter of rebirth. You were born here in Lahore.
06:33No, I mean, see, I'll tell you, to come here, the craving was so strong.
06:37So, I was just telling her, I mean, I was joking and telling her, I said, maybe I was born here in my previous birth.
06:43So, I think the connection is so strong. The love, the bonding is so strong.
06:47So, I want to go back there. I want to see what. So, you know, that's what it is.
06:52Did you find Lahore as you imagined it to be?
06:56See, I had done a lot of reading. I had, you know, like I said, the craving was so strong to come here.
07:01I had done for the past, almost about three or four years. I was watching videos.
07:05I was watching lots. I mean, one of those main streets, the canal road, the mall road, everything was there.
07:11Yeah, I think, see, when you know what it is and, you know, you visualize, so you come in.
07:18So, you've read about it. Now, you want to see it.
07:21So, I think more or less, I had a good idea about what I'm going to see and that's what I saw here.
07:27At least, it was up to your expectations.
07:29Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It was. It was, definitely. Yeah.
07:34And what is the best part of your tour here?
07:38Food. Food and see what's happened to my stomach. So, that's a sad part. But the food was amazing.
07:44And I went through, I went through some very old, I mean, buildings which still, which still are there.
07:50You know, we're talking about 1947, like, you know, Mela Ram, the building and then Ganga Ram's building.
07:59So, I was more interested to see those nice houses which are still there. And I think it's, the government has done a good job to retain those places.
08:08They've got a signpost which is put outside the house with Ganga Ram lived here between so and so years.
08:14So, it's a good thing for people like us. So, I went there, I saw and a couple of them, I heard most of them moved out, moved to India during the time of partition but left behind a legacy.
08:25And it's still there even after about 70 years after what happened, after 1947. Those buildings are still there.
08:31People still, you know, rave about what they did to the people of Pakistan. How the building, the rent goes into the college.
08:41There's one more building which the rent goes into the hospital. So, a couple of people who are a part of, you know, who moved to India also did a lot of good things for people in Lahore.
08:53And that's, that's the best part about the city, Lahore.
08:58Did you like the food?
09:00I'm telling you, I mean, that's, that's the, that's probably I think that stands the best here.
09:05I mean, the food is, people love food. And I knew for sure that, you know, I'm a foodie myself. So, I wanted to try different cuisines.
09:12And then right from the butt, kadai, chicken to, I had a lot of Pakistani friends back in Melbourne and they were just talking only about this.
09:22They were talking about butt, they were talking about takatak, they were talking about so many other things which Lahore is famous for.
09:29So, I came here, I had made a list of all the things what I'm supposed to do. And, you know, I went, today I had, we went to a Peshawari restaurant.
09:38See, this taste was something which is, I can't even imagine, you know, that this, it was very, very, very nice.
09:44So, I had a taste of everything. This is what it is, you know, culture, food, language. It was, it's just a mix of all nice things here.
09:53Dr. Sir, you have written a very good book on Anglo-Indian culture and you have a knack to understand the cultural idioms and cultural heritage.
10:06Do you think Lahore has still its cultural legacy intact?
10:13Okay, let me just correct you. I've not written a book. I've republished a book which was written by Mr. Eric Stracy.
10:19And this book was pertaining to my topic of study because my doctorate is on the life of Anglo-Indians in Bangalore.
10:26So, Eric Stracy, when I was doing my PhD thesis way back in 2000, I chanced upon this book and I went through it.
10:34It talks about Richmond town. It talks about, beautifully described how that place was.
10:40So then, I mean, I was not very serious about that book. But anyway, I went through it.
10:45After about two years when I wanted to get the book again, I was not able to.
10:49So, I called the publisher. I called everybody. It was just not there.
10:52As luck could have been, I happened to meet Eric Stracy's son in Melbourne.
10:57And then they gave me a couple of, I mean, they gave me notes. They gave me, you know, little write-ups about what the book is.
11:04So, I got it to India and reprinted and I had about 600 copies, which was again distributed to all the people who...
11:11Eric Stracy was a very famous man. He became the police commissioner of Tamil Nadu and he was big in the Anglo-Indian community.
11:19So, yeah. Tell me, I mean, we just got lost somewhere. So, you're talking about the culture of Lahore.
11:25Yes, Lahore, still its cultural legacy intact.
11:29See, I'll tell you, any city for that matter over a period of time changes because you have people from different parts of, you know, different states, different, you know, coming into this place.
11:40So, there's a little integration. I still feel Lahore has still got that, the cultural part of it is still intact.
11:46And it's, I mean, because I've seen it for the first time. Probably you've been living here for so many years.
11:52So, you should be in a better position to see what exactly it was about 15-20 years ago and to what it is now.
11:58But for me, I think the language is Punjabi and food is something which I always knew.
12:04And then, you know, the aura of the city is still very, very, you know, what I had imagined.
12:12So, it's, there's, I feel it's still the same.
12:16Do you think when, ever someone recognized you as an Indian roaming about in Lahore?
12:25See, luckily, I always had somebody with me.
12:30Because I knew I'm going to have problems with the language.
12:33I was not scared of anything, but it's only the language.
12:37Because the minute I speak, they know for sure that I'm from somewhere else.
12:41I'm not very good in Hindi, I'm not very good in Urdu.
12:44So, these are the two main languages.
12:46And I think English, there's certain times when you can't speak that language.
12:51So, I had Jamshet who was with me from morning to evening.
12:55I had Misra, then I had, you know, so things made it very easy for me.
13:01So, I had to ask them and they were explaining and then they took me all over.
13:06For seven full days, I mean, you know, it was, I was absolutely safe.
13:10I had people with me.
13:11So, you know, it didn't really hit.
13:13It made me very comfortable, Radha.
13:16What do you think, if you tell someone in Lahore that you are an Indian,
13:19you have come from South Indian, even from India.
13:22What would his reaction be?
13:24He would be shocked.
13:25Shocked?
13:26Firstly, firstly, firstly, okay, as an Indian, probably, in fact, it happened today.
13:31When I went to, I came to see the program at your place.
13:37So, we were all getting a little delayed and late.
13:40So, we just walked behind that, you know, that little corridor there.
13:45So, there were a couple of group of boys standing and they started talking to me.
13:48And they asked me as to where I'm from.
13:50So, I said, I'm from India.
13:52So, they were a little bit shocked because I think they also know that as an Indian, it's very difficult to come here.
13:56But then I didn't give anything else.
13:58I said, no, I've come here because I like this place.
14:01So, I think there's a little bit of a shock factor.
14:05Or probably, even as an Indian, in India, if I meet somebody and he says, I've come down from Pakistan.
14:10It's something which is very unusual for us, you know, because we don't see many people coming in that.
14:16But they are pleasantly shocked.
14:18Yeah, definitely, yes. If I tell I'm an Indian, so I had to say, you know, if they have, I see their reaction.
14:25I mean, if they're shocked, then I probably tell, no, I live in Australia and things like that.
14:29If not, I don't even talk about Australia. I say about India.
14:32No, it doesn't matter. You don't have to tell them.
14:35No, I mean, if I think that, yeah.
14:37I didn't get a chance to tell everybody, but I mean, it just happened once or twice.
14:44Yeah. And you have spent some days out of the hall.
14:51Oh, yeah.
14:52What was it?
14:53See, I, incidentally, again, it's a very funny scenario.
14:58I had a friend called Reza.
15:01We were working together at the MCG Melbourne, a very good dear friend.
15:05And then, so I, we generally, okay, Pakistan, which part of Pakistan?
15:10For me, I mean, if you're not from Lahore, that means I'm not your friend.
15:13For me, you know, you have to be from Lahore.
15:15Because I wanted to come and see Lahore.
15:17And he said, I'm from Sialkot.
15:19I said, good.
15:20Because I knew what Sialkot is all about.
15:22I knew Sialkot is about cricket bats.
15:24I knew Sialkot is about sports equipments.
15:27You know, a lot of surgical equipments and a lot of other good things, you know.
15:31Then, Raza was telling me that, see, people in Sialkot are very creative.
15:36They know that's one of the reasons as to why surgical instruments being made there, cricket bats.
15:42They're very skilled.
15:43So, I mean, that was then.
15:45And he told me, if in case you go to Pakistan, please go to Sialkot.
15:48Because it's a nice place to see.
15:50It's got a lot of history.
15:51It's got a lot of culture.
15:52Then, I knew for sure that, you know, I have to go to Sialkot.
15:57So, I went there.
15:59Saw everything.
16:00I just wanted to see what Sialkot is all about.
16:02How would it be different?
16:04Is it going to be the same like Lahore?
16:06Or is it going to be different?
16:07How are people there?
16:08What kind of language they speak?
16:09I know they speak Punjabi.
16:11But what, how's the vibe of Sialkot?
16:14And then we were there for a day.
16:16I went to, yeah.
16:19Sialkot has got very big players in, you know, in the sports manufacturing industry.
16:26So, we went to one of the factories, MB.
16:28So, MB, the minute I saw the logo, I knew that this is one of the major, major companies
16:34which sponsors the Pakistani printers.
16:36So, I went there, spoke.
16:38I was lucky to have met the managing director.
16:41And, you know, he was telling about, he was, he was very happy or he was praising the company,
16:46saying that we've got all big cricketers, you know, wearing our sports gear.
16:51So, I said, yeah, I've seen it.
16:53And then, Abdullah Sharif was a current opening batsman.
16:55He also plays with their bat.
16:57And so, I picked up a couple of track bands and all that.
17:01So, next time when I'm wearing, it's all going to be MB.
17:04Malik Brothers from Sialkot.
17:07Yeah, yeah.
17:08Well, Doctor, you have a wonderful player for cricket, is it?
17:11Do you play cricket?
17:12No, I don't play cricket but I, but I love, I mean, cricket is something which is,
17:19I like to see some matches.
17:21Not at the moment but then, the old matches which is always there in my mind, you know.
17:26One match which I remember which, you know, I've seen it at least a hundred times is,
17:31the Benson & Hedges World Cup Finals between India and Pakistan played at the Melbourne Cricket Crowd in February of 1985.
17:41Did you go to watch them?
17:42No, no. 1985 was a long.
17:44I was watching, when I was watching that match, I liked, the reason why I was watching that match was because,
17:50okay, India and Pakistan more than anything else, I liked MCG.
17:53So, I went, in 1995 when I went to Melbourne, the first thing what I did was, I wanted to go and see the Melbourne Cricket Crowd.
18:02So, I went there.
18:03It's very funny, when we went on a tour, I picked up a blade of grass right in the centre.
18:09I said, no, it has to be in my system.
18:11So, I ate back.
18:12Oh my God.
18:13Okay.
18:14And then, when I went back again, I got a job in MCG.
18:17I started working in MCG.
18:19And, you know, so, I know everything about it.
18:22So, every time I have to go to MCG, I have to keep looking at the sky and keep telling myself that,
18:26look, I came to Australia because of MCG and I'm working at the MCG.
18:31I'm so fortunate.
18:32Okay.
18:33So, when I went to Cielcote also, I went to one of the cricket grounds there.
18:41Okay.
18:42And I went there, I saw.
18:44And then, many years ago, they had a couple of international matches in that stadium.
18:50But, I, for some reason, I think the stadium is all being rebuilt or it's all demolished.
18:55Yeah, in shambles.
18:56Yeah, absolutely in shambles.
18:57I didn't want to say that, but, you know, very sorry state of offence.
19:01Yeah, sorry, sorry.
19:02Maybe they have budding cricketers, but when the infrastructure is not there, then it becomes difficult.
19:07Shreemarik is from Cielcote, you know.
19:10See, because they have only one ground and just half of it is just demolished.
19:15And then, I went inside the academy.
19:17They had practice nets.
19:18I've taken some photographs there.
19:20And, but still, just the practice nets.
19:22But the ground, per se, is just not there.
19:25The stadium is not there.
19:26You have been to Gaddafi Stadium, is there?
19:29I went to Gaddafi Stadium.
19:30That was one of the first things which I wanted to do here.
19:33When I came, the very first day, I went to Liberty Square.
19:36I stood there, took a photograph with Lahore next to me.
19:40And the next destination where I wanted to go, two things.
19:43I wanted to see the Lahore-Gaddafi Stadium and the Hockey Stadium.
19:48I still remember some great matches which happened in the Hockey Stadium.
19:51But even more I remember is the Gaddafi Stadium, where we had some intense matches between India and Pakistan.
19:56Oh, yeah.
19:57Okay, very, very intense.
19:59But, my bad luck that the stadium is under renovation.
20:04We tried a level best.
20:05We, in fact, spoke to somebody saying that I've come all the way from there.
20:08Let us just go inside.
20:10But then, see, I understand because the stadium was...
20:12They are making preparations for Champions Trophy.
20:14Yeah, yeah.
20:15I think it's Champions Trophy which is coming up.
20:17He said, no, the officers are all there, so I can't allow them.
20:19But anyway, but it was, you know, it was in full swing.
20:23I mean, so I was wondering with the kind of work which was going on because they've demolished more or less at least 20, 30, 40% of it.
20:31So, I was just wondering whether it's going to be ready in the next, you know, one year.
20:35He said, what one year?
20:36It's going to be done in the next two and a half, three months.
20:38Yeah, sure.
20:39So, I was a little shocked.
20:41But hopefully, I think it should be done.
20:42And Gaddafi Stadium will get back its own glory of, you know, all the great matches that we saw there.
20:48Well, should I tell you one thing that, how long, since how, since when we have been familiar with Bangalore.
20:55There was a test match in Pakistan and India in which Sunil Gawaskar and Roger Binning stayed on the vicket for long.
21:03And finally, Iqbal Kasim.
21:05I was there.
21:06You were there?
21:07It was a wonderful test match.
21:09I was there.
21:10I'm a life member of the Karnataka State Wicket Association.
21:14It takes a very long time to become an associate member.
21:19So, and then I think up to 25.
21:22Okay.
21:23I got it in 1995.
21:25Yeah.
21:26I saw this match.
21:28Okay.
21:29It was very sad for all of us because when things were going good and suddenly Abdul Khadir comes, takes the wicket.
21:35Kasim and Muhammad Tawseef.
21:37Yes.
21:38Yes.
21:39I remember all that.
21:40It happened about 30 years ago but I remember that match.
21:42And Sunil Gawaskar actually played a short and he was caught.
21:45Yeah.
21:46I remember that match.
21:47Yeah.
21:48It was.
21:49For us it was.
21:50Yes.
21:51It was a big celebration for you all.
21:52But then for us it was, we were all feeling very sad that you know when the things.
21:54But it was the best of times.
21:55Yeah.
21:56I think Pakistan cricket at that particular point was the best.
21:59I mean either you had the best of batsmen or you had the best of bowlers or a combination of good bat and good bowler.
22:06And you know it was just I think everything they clicked very well.
22:10Interesting.
22:11Yeah.
22:12They clicked very well.
22:13And Doctor, are you sure you would bring your wife with you in Pakistan next time?
22:23If she's lucky enough to get a visa.
22:25Yeah.
22:26Well.
22:27In 2008 we got, both of us got a visa but you know for some reason we were not able to come in 2008.
22:35That was again you know met somebody in England and he helped us.
22:39It didn't happen.
22:40So you know maybe you know God willing I must say.
22:45If things go good and if she gets a visa definitely.
22:48I mean this is the place to see and she definitely, she's pretty well versed with history.
22:53And I'm sure she's going to really like this place because there's a lot of history.
22:58There's a lot of history.
22:59I would personally recommend her to come and to visit Takshasila.
23:03Takshasila.
23:04Yes.
23:05And Hadappa.
23:06You have been to Hadappa as well.
23:07How did you find Hadappa?
23:08Hadappa.
23:09Yes.
23:12Well.
23:13Yes and no.
23:14Yes.
23:15Not.
23:16I still felt you know that the travel the distance was a little far to see what I saw there.
23:24Okay.
23:25Not very happy though.
23:27Well, I would recommend you to please visit Takshila.
23:30Yeah.
23:31Because the archaeological sites in Takshila are very good.
23:35They are in very good shape.
23:37No, we had a good guide.
23:38We had a good guide.
23:39He was, you know, he was very passionately explaining about Harappa.
23:43He said how he's also a part of it.
23:45But maybe I think the travel and then, you know, the roads were not very good to Harappa.
23:51So, there was a little bit of an issue there.
23:53You know, Harappa is 5,000 years old.
23:56Exactly.
23:57And Takshila is 2,700 years old.
23:59So, there is a huge difference in it.
24:00And Mohenj Daru also.
24:01Mohenj Daru is exactly 400 kilometers in a straight line from Harappa.
24:08That's what the guide told us.
24:10Absolutely right.
24:11Absolutely right.
24:12So, did you visit your friend's home?
24:14Yeah, that was again very interesting.
24:16Isaak, this good friend of mine who lives in Melbourne.
24:20And Mirza is his cousin.
24:22So, we, I mean, that is one of the things.
24:25Because after we finished Sahiwal.
24:28We went to Sahiwal.
24:29Sahiwal is one more place.
24:32I like the name of Sahiwal.
24:34What it was before.
24:35Mottgumary.
24:36Mottgumary.
24:37Mottgumary.
24:38Mottgumary.
24:39Mottgumary.
24:40Mottgumary.
24:41Mottgumary.
24:42Mottgumary.
24:43So, then went there and then went again as usual.
24:48You know, I go and see the stadiums.
24:50I went to the stadium.
24:51I saw, there was a couple of boys were bowling.
24:55But one fast bowler.
24:56Just reminded me of Wasi Makram.
24:58He was so good.
24:59I tried to record, but then it didn't happen.
25:02Anyway.
25:03And then, Sahiwal.
25:04A nice place.
25:05Again, you know, there's lots of things.
25:08I think they're good.
25:10Sahiwal has produced a lot of cricketers.
25:12Yeah, a lot of cricketers.
25:13Manjur-i-Lahi.
25:14And Sahur-i-Lahi.
25:15Yeah.
25:16So, went to the stadium.
25:17They also have a nice, cute hockey stadium.
25:19Which was, you know, which was established in 1934.
25:24And then, I took that.
25:25But they don't have synthetic turf.
25:27They just have the grass turf, which is there.
25:29But then, you know, it's a very cute, beautiful hockey stadium.
25:32And diagonally opposite is the cricket stadium.
25:35And they've got lights.
25:37So, Sahiwal is one more nice place which I wanted to visit.
25:42I did.
25:43The reason why I went to Sahiwal was, see, Harappa, Sahiwal.
25:46And where Ishak stays, Okhara is there.
25:49It's all in the same line.
25:51So, Okhara is a big town.
25:53But then, here, what is very funny was, his little village, it doesn't have a name.
26:00It's got a number.
26:02It's got, it's called C7N.
26:04Oh, yeah.
26:05It's got a number.
26:06Chuck number 10.
26:07Yeah, yeah.
26:08Chuck number 10.
26:09I mean, that was something which we don't, we've not heard of there in India.
26:12Yeah.
26:13We don't have numbers for villages.
26:14Every village has got a name.
26:15But this number, this categorization has been since British?
26:21I'm not sure because I was a little shocked here.
26:24You know, because I asked him, what does this L stand for?
26:26What does this stand for?
26:27So, he said, no, we've just got numbers.
26:30For smaller villages, it's just numbers.
26:32Chuck 10.
26:33Yeah, exactly.
26:34That's it.
26:35This is Chuck 10 L.
26:37Yes.
26:38Yeah, this village.
26:39Yeah.
26:40Yeah.
26:41So, we don't have a name.
26:42It's just a number.
26:43As far as I remember, this categorization has been in vogue since British era.
26:47Oh, okay.
26:48But I don't know.
26:49Perhaps.
26:50Maybe they ran short of names to villages.
26:52So, maybe I think they just came out with some numbers.
26:54Exactly.
26:55And maybe India did away with it?
26:58I'm not sure.
26:59No, I really won't be able to comment on it because I really don't know this.
27:03I've never heard of numbers there.
27:05Okay.
27:06Okay.
27:07Are there any, is there any souvenir that you are going to?
27:10Oh, yeah.
27:11Yeah, that's a good thing.
27:14I was always wondering as to what I'm supposed to be taking.
27:16I thought I'll carry some sand with me and then put it in a glass and then seal it and then say that this is from Pakistan.
27:25Then I said, no, it's not going to work out.
27:27So, might as well take something.
27:28Because this Jamsit told me that they do it.
27:31I said, see, I want to do it.
27:33He said, instead of that, why don't you take a plant called Rathirani and Marwa.
27:36I said, no, I have Rathirani.
27:37Then he said, take Marwa and go.
27:39So, I've got two plants here.
27:41Marwa plant.
27:42Yeah.
27:43Marwa plant.
27:44And I'm going to take this.
27:46I'm going to take this.
27:49Yeah.
27:50Yeah.
27:51This, this one.
27:52So, I'm going to plant one.
27:54That's marvelous.
27:55I've got two.
27:56I'm going to plant one outside.
27:57I'm going to plant one inside.
27:58That's marvelous.
27:59So, just to be on a safer side.
28:00So, anything happens, you know, I still have something.
28:03So, every time.
28:04So, this is the best souvenir what I thought I could take back home.
28:07Definitely.
28:08So, you know, Pakistan is there in the house.
28:10And you know.
28:11That's marvelous.
28:12And these flowers smell very good.
28:15And this, this Khalifa biscuits also.
28:19Oh, this is wonderful.
28:20Yeah.
28:21This was given by my friend.
28:22He said, this is very famous here.
28:24By the way, the Bangalore sweet you gifted us.
28:27Yeah.
28:28It was wonderful.
28:29Yeah.
28:30That's called Mysore Park.
28:31Mysore.
28:32Yeah.
28:33That's the tradition.
28:34Mysore, Mysore is the name of the place.
28:35Yeah, Mysore.
28:36Where Tippu Sultan.
28:37Yes, exactly.
28:38That's right.
28:39So, Tippu Sultan.
28:40So, the Maharaja's cook churned out something different.
28:44And it turned out to be so good, it became famous all over.
28:47Yeah.
28:48It just melts in your mouth.
28:49Yeah.
28:50And I'm happy that I like it.
28:51Yeah.
28:52Exactly.
28:53That's right.
28:54It just melts in your mouth.
28:55So, this is what it is.
28:56Yeah.
28:57And more than anything else, I was very happy to meet you and the episodes what you have done on Lahore.
29:05The history.
29:06Yeah.
29:08And, you know, how you explain.
29:09Everything is really…
29:10I think that is one of the other reasons as to why, what motivated me to come to Lahore.
29:14So, see, there's always a mix of this and that and so many other things, you know.
29:22So, I also, you know, I'm proud to say that, you know, I'm sitting with you today, where six or eight months ago, my wife said, if you want to go to Lahore, please see this.
29:32And your name was Balwala at that time, you know.
29:34Pay my very, very humble regards to your wife.
29:36Yeah.
29:37So, we still have a fight saying that.
29:39She says, no, I was the one, you know, it was only because of me that you went there and then you're meeting.
29:43I'm honored.
29:44I'm really honored.
29:45Yeah.
29:46And pay my regards to her.
29:47Sure, I will.
29:48Please invite her from us.
29:49I will.
29:50To come to Lahore.
29:51I think we should create some magic so that she can get a visa.
29:56So, that's what it is.
29:58You have to leave for India early in the morning.
30:01I'm going to take back happy memories.
30:03I'm going to take back all the nice things.
30:05It's eight days here.
30:07I came last Wednesday and I'm leaving tomorrow.
30:11So, I'm going to take all the nice good things about what I did here.
30:15Tell everybody back home how good Pakistan is, Lahore is especially.
30:20Thank you so much.
30:21Thank you so much.
30:22And we will cherish these memories.
30:23Yes.
30:24Until you come.
30:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:26I'm looking at it.
30:27Probably, I think, my friend is coming in February.
30:28So, he said, why don't you come again?
30:30So, we'll see how it goes.
30:32It will be wonderful because I think Amit and Ajit are coming.
30:35Oh, that's nice.
30:36Okay.
30:37So, in February, we will be joining here.
30:40And I think February also is a good season.
30:42It's not too cold.
30:43It's not too...
30:44It is cold but it is pleasant.
30:45It is pleasant.
30:46It's very pleasant.
30:47Yeah.
30:48Even...
30:49Thank you so much.
30:50Thank you to you, your team and everything was...
30:54What do I say?
30:55Just perfect.
30:56Thank you so much.
30:57And I really look forward to seeing you again.
31:00And I invite you to come to India.
31:02Yeah, sure.
31:03I can...
31:04Whatever you want from my side, any invitation, anything for that matter,
31:08I'll be more than willing to give it to you.
31:10And, you know, if you come to Bangalore, you can also see what it is there.
31:15And like I said, every state is different in India.
31:18Culture is again completely different.
31:20The language is different.
31:21Food habits are different.
31:23So, come over and see for yourself what it is.
31:25We would love to.
31:26We would love to visit Tamil Nadu and...
31:28Yeah.
31:29Tamil Nadu, it's just temples after temples.
31:31Like I said, you know, temples which date back to 500,000, 1200 year old temples.
31:36And what about Kerala?
31:37Kerala is again, Kerala is more to do with water.
31:41It's more to do with...
31:42They're also very nice.
31:43It's a very nice state.
31:44Kerala is again a very nice...
31:46And then you have Andhra which is again, it's got a lot of Mughal influence.
31:50So, it's something like, you know, the food habits.
31:53Like I'm talking about Hyderabad.
31:54It's something similar to Lahore.
31:56And Telangana.
31:57And Telangana now, incidentally, that big state has been divided into...
32:01So, Telangana and Andhra.
32:02No, no.
32:03In South, we had only 4 districts.
32:05So, we had 4 districts.
32:07Andhra Pradesh has now been cut into two.
32:10Okay.
32:11One is called Andhra.
32:12The other one is called Telangana.
32:13Okay.
32:14So, Hyderabad incidentally has gone to Telangana.
32:16And then Andhra is now the other side.
32:18But Andhra is again a very fertile belt of...
32:21Very, very fertile.
32:22They're also very...
32:23They're very well known for their agricultural products.
32:26Very, very well known.
32:28Yeah.
32:29We would love to visit South India.
32:30You should.
32:31You should.
32:32It's very nice.
32:33And please tell us a secret.
32:34How South Indians are making such a great, wonderful movies.
32:40Maybe I think it's been there since a long time.
32:43You know, it all started off from Kerala.
32:45Kerala, people in Kerala are creative.
32:47I mean, now it's been there since a very long time.
32:51They have some kind of focus.
32:54Not focus.
32:55I think it just runs in them to be more creative.
32:59And Tamil Nadu movie industry was very, very big ever since.
33:04You know, people really look to movie stars as their gods.
33:09You know, it's that kind of a thing in Tamil Nadu.
33:12So they also came out of some great movies.
33:15Now, the same is with Andhra Pradesh.
33:17Where they also, you know, movie is a very big industry.
33:20Very, very, very big industry.
33:22But when it comes to literature, we find Gerish Karnad and other writers.
33:25Yes, when it comes to literature, it's straight away.
33:27Karnadaka is again a good...
33:29It's a place of very great writers.
33:32So I think, I mean, if you're looking at South India, it's got a mix of good writers, movies, lots of things happening there.
33:39Like, you know, you should because again, when you just go to the next state, you know, you move out of South India, you go somewhere else, everything changes again.
33:47So, you know, I mean, that particular state, if you go to Gujarat, they're very good in business.
33:51They're very good in certain something.
33:53So, which the other state is probably, you know, Gujarat is again doing very well now.
33:58You have Rajasthan, which is again very colorful.
34:01Then you have UP, which is, you know, it's got its own nice good things.
34:07Yeah.
34:08India is a colorful mix of everything.
34:11Yes, yes.
34:12That's a good part of India.
34:14We would love to visit India as soon as we can.
34:17Yeah.
34:18I'll be more than willing to, you know, host you all in India.
34:21Thank you so much.
34:22I'll do my best and I'm sure I'm going to make sure that you guys are going to be very comfortable.
34:26Let me know.
34:27We'll plan a trip as soon as possible.
34:29Okay.
34:31Thank you so much also.
34:32Yeah.
34:33It's my pleasure.
34:34Thank you again to your team.
34:35I look forward to coming back to Laav on a bit.
34:36Sure.
34:37Okay.
34:39Thank you so much.
34:40Bye.
34:41Good day.
34:42Bye.
34:43Bye.
34:44Bye.
34:45Bye.
34:47Bye.
34:49Bye.
34:50Bye.
34:51Bye.
34:53Bye.
34:54Because I have to say,
34:56ڈرشتہ ہزاروں برس پرانا ہے
34:58پھر مٹی اور مزاج ایک ہے
34:59روشن خیالی ایک ایسا وصف ہے
35:02جو انسان کو دنیا کے
35:04ہر مذہب ہر تحزیب سے جوڑتا ہے
35:06ڈرکٹر اگنور پریتم بہت امدہ انسان ہے
35:08ہم نے انہوں نے دعوت دی ہے کہ
35:10لہور آتے رہتے رہیں
35:11ہم بھی ٹینگلور ضرور جائیں گے
35:13ہمارا دل جنوبی ہندوستان کے لیے بہت دھڑکتا ہے
35:16وہاں بہت سے دوست رہتے ہیں
35:18بہت محبت کرنے والے دوست ہیں
35:19چاکچا باتے رہتے رہیں گے
35:21اب اپنی رائے دیجئے
35:21اپنے کومنٹ کیجئے
35:22آپ پی رائے ہیں
35:23ہمارے لیے بہت محتبر ہیں