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02:35This is a true crime roundup from the On Deadline podcast.
02:40Each week, we dive into crime stories reported by Odyssey's radio newsrooms across the nation.
02:46I'm your host, Lauren Berry.
02:48We'll hear about a mass shooting that has been linked to artificial intelligence, ongoing efforts in Buffalo, New York, to
02:55heal from the 2022 Topps supermarket mass shooting, and a new program in Minnesota aimed at reducing fatal shootings.
03:07Before allegedly shooting five children dead at a secondary school in Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia, and injuring others, 18-year
03:16-old Jessie Van Rootselaar also allegedly shot and killed her mother and her half-brother at her home, according to
03:25the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
03:28The teen later died of a self-inflicted injury.
03:32Van Rootselaar was using OpenAI's artificial intelligence-powered chatbot, ChatGPT, before the shooting.
03:40The CBC reported that her account had been banned for, quote, disturbing content, and law firm Rice Parsons, Leonie &
03:48Elliott claims that 12 different OpenAI employees asked the company to warn Canadian law enforcement about her.
03:56Now, the firm is suing OpenAI in California.
04:00Odyssey station WBEN News & Talk in Buffalo discussed the case with crime and terrorism analyst Brad Garrett this week.
04:09And we're taking a look at what we keep hearing more and more of, Brad, and that is AI, ChatGPT,
04:16some of these other artificial intelligence programs,
04:19being used in or at least being looked at before a crime happens or may have happened.
04:29And we're all kind of wondering, well, shouldn't this raise a red flag?
04:33What can we do about it?
04:34What do we know about this, Brad?
04:36So, if you think about the number of people that say bad things and maybe facilitate or try to facilitate
04:45AI to help them, you know, I don't know how big that number would be.
04:51You would think if somebody goes on AI, says, I want to shoot up my school, and then AI helps
05:01them figure out what's the best type of weapon, when's the best time to go to school, how to get
05:06to school, how to exit the school, and maybe even help you write a manifesto, you would think, obviously, that's
05:13a huge red flag.
05:15You know, the question is, there's a lot of AI companies we know about the big ones, like OpenAI, that
05:21I think I discussed in my pitch, that they're being sued by some folks in the British Columbia because of
05:29a mass shooting there, that there's a real issue about where the AI companies can draw a line.
05:41Like, in the example I just gave, you'd think that would be a no-brainer, but you also have to
05:46have the mechanism to do that.
05:48I mean, they're trying to monitor, like, potentially millions of people at the same time, you know, and they primarily
05:55do that with algorithms, not listening to what people or reading what people are writing or whatever it might be.
06:02But, you know, it's a pretty daunting task, but having said that, you know, is it worth not doing it
06:09and then getting sued?
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08:42And clearly it's a judgment call, I think, to a certain extent by the AI companies as to,
08:47does this really meet a threat threshold?
08:50Or is this person just talking talk?
08:54It's a tough call.
08:55I think sometimes.
08:57But don't be surprised if you see more and more of these lawsuits where people are alleging that AI could
09:04have stopped a potential shooter and didn't.
09:07But do we know if AI, being so intelligent, if AI could stop the shooters before they opened fire?
09:14Well, I can only, the short answer is, no, you can't stop a person from doing whatever they're going to
09:22do.
09:24But you can certainly not facilitate or help them do what they are saying they want to do.
09:29So I think the question you're asking me is, is AI, you know, the contributor, the motivator?
09:38It's really hard to say.
09:40I mean, logic would say in some cases it appears to be the case.
09:44But can you say that for sure?
09:46The answer is no.
09:48If you're determined to commit a mass shooting, obviously we had plenty of mass shootings before there was AI.
09:55And people find, you know, websites, they find individuals, they find groups to help legitimize slash rationalize what they want
10:07to go do.
10:09So all I'm suggesting is we do need to figure out some better ways to monitor to stop some, what
10:19would appear to be pretty obvious, would be mass shooters.
10:23There's two things to this, Brad.
10:25There's one, what you just mentioned, monitoring this.
10:28I mean, you'd think it should be easy enough to throw up a red flag.
10:31But then the other is the programming here and thinking specifically of ChatGPT where, I mean, it constantly, and, you
10:40know, we could be talking about a shooter or we could be talking about something else here.
10:44It constantly is validating people who are putting things into it.
10:48It's constantly, you know, encouraging people, offering words of encouragement.
10:53It seems like a programming or design flaw, or maybe it's on purpose, you know, we don't really know, where
11:00it's just, you know, it's acting like your best friend, you know, your cheerleader in the corner, no matter if
11:07you're trying to drop 10 pounds or do something heinous.
11:13So you've hit a direct point that that is what it does, but that's why people use it.
11:19You don't want to go on a website that then beats you up because, well, you don't want to do
11:24that.
11:25You know, what's wrong with you?
11:26They want a soft, compassionate, literate voice that guides them through depression, relationship issues, whatever it might be.
11:38And so, you know, there's a real attraction to that, which then does two things.
11:45It, A, attracts more people, and, B, it attracts you to go use it more.
11:51And the last thing they need is to be hard-nosed on the front end, so to speak, because people
11:58will just go someplace else because there's a lot of competition now within the AI world.
12:04You know, we're today remembering the Topps mass shooting here in Buffalo took 10 lives four years ago today.
12:11And there are lawsuits in this case against social media companies for influencing the shooter.
12:17But, you know, what the cases have in common with what you're talking about with AI is that outside factors
12:23figure in in many of these attacks, right?
12:25Well, that's right, and I assume the lawyers for the AI companies will point that out, and rightly so.
12:35So, you know, we'll see, but, you know, don't be surprised if you see more lawsuits as time goes on
12:41because it's a logical, rational place, if you're a would-be shooter, to go to, to help you figure out
12:50how to best commit this horrible act.
12:55In Buffalo, WBEN has covered the impact of a mass shooting, the 2022 Topps supermarket massacre, for years.
13:05Then-18-year-old Peyton Gendron allegedly shot 13 people, killing 10.
13:11A manifesto from Gendron indicated that it was a racially motivated attack.
13:1711 of the 13 victims were black.
13:20And research has connected the case to online radicalization.
13:24Thursday marked the four-year anniversary of the massacre, and Gendron is still awaiting a federal trial with a possible
13:33death penalty.
13:34Meanwhile, the community is still healing from the loss.
13:38Rev. Mark Blue, chair of the 514 Memorial Commission, provided an update on those efforts to heal the community in
13:47an interview with WBEN this week.
13:50How are you remembering today?
13:53Well, I'm remembering today as a day, not only a somber day, but also a day in which progress is
14:02being made on the 514 Memorial Healing Center.
14:07We're sending out all of our prayers to all of the families, and not only the families of those lives
14:13that were stolen from us, but also the survivors, the individuals that were in the tops and in the surrounding
14:20area.
14:22It's going to be a day in which we will always remember for the rest of our lives, but we
14:27want to just be encouraging to those families and letting them have their moment of grief and not try to
14:35put more on them.
14:36So we are remembering this as a somber occasion, but also an occasion in which we have learned to persevere
14:45through.
14:46Reverend, many people are taking part in a day of service today.
14:50Many will be at the Remembrance at 2 o'clock this afternoon at the Top Store.
14:54But for those not going to be there, what do you want them to do today or to think about?
15:02Take time for themselves, because everybody's healing process is different.
15:07Their grieving process is different.
15:09Take time for yourself.
15:11Have that moment of reflection, which you will always have.
15:15But self-maintenance is very important.
15:20We need to take time for ourselves.
15:22We don't do that enough.
15:23This time, this day has always been full of activities.
15:28But for those who are going through and grieving, take time for yourself.
15:34Take time with your family.
15:35Enjoy your family.
15:38You mentioned that there is progress being made on the 514 Memorial.
15:43There's a lot of questions as to, you know, what exactly is being done there.
15:49And where this process is.
15:51What can you tell us about what happened this week?
15:53Well, this week we did hire a construction manager.
15:57And the construction manager will help us to really get the accurate estimates and timetable
16:05for when the Monument Memorial Healing Center can be built.
16:09We'll have more actual and real numbers that we can give out to the community
16:14so they'll know exactly how much it will cost for this to happen.
16:17And we're looking at roughly about maybe within the next two to three months,
16:23we will have another update on real cost.
16:26And also, we are in the soft phase of our capital campaign.
16:31So it's moving quite rapidly compared to other memorials that have been done.
16:40We have had the advantage, and I say that not happily,
16:45but I say we've had the advantage of looking at what others have done
16:48and not duplicating some of the errors or mistakes or pitfalls that they ran into
16:55because we've been talking to them.
16:57And by having that communication, we were able to move at a much more rapid pace
17:04because, unfortunately, of the tragedies that have happened in our past in our country.
17:09This memorial will be built at Jefferson and Best,
17:13and I realize you don't have the true cost of it,
17:16but how much money has been raised, and what is the goal right now?
17:22Well, the goal is to raise as much money as we can.
17:25But right now we have about $7 million to $8 million
17:30that has been committed to the project,
17:33and we are hoping to raise another $15 to $20 million
17:40because we would like for this not only to be done one time
17:45but to be maintained and taken care of forever in perpetuity.
17:50So, you know, it's a fundraising venture that will happen on a regular basis
17:57because we want to make sure that our community is being serviced
18:01and that it's not just a one-time incident of a building being done
18:07and then forgot about.
18:09But, you know, we're trying to raise as much as we can
18:13to make sure that it is taken care of in perpetuity.
18:16You know, we've reached the point now where it's been so long,
18:19there's been so many meetings, there's been so much money involved
18:22that a lot of people are wondering, you know,
18:24hey, why haven't we just used this money for something else
18:28to better the community instead of this memorial project?
18:32You mentioned not just being a building.
18:35How, in your mind, is this memorial going to be a benefit
18:39to the surrounding community?
18:42Well, it will be a place of solace,
18:45a place where people can heal, a place where people can reflect,
18:48a place where people can learn.
18:50We will be partnering with other organizations to have different services
18:56at this particular site on Jefferson and Bess,
19:00which we haven't had in the past.
19:02It will be a place where even artists can show their works.
19:07So it's going to be an ever-evolving place in which we can come and learn
19:13and come and receive any of the services that we need for the community.
19:19We're not trying to be a first.
19:22We're trying to bring other entities and other organizations together for healing.
19:28We also want this to be a place where even the schools can come and learn
19:33learn about what has happened and learn how we can be a vehicle and a pinnacle
19:39to teach that racism is learned behavior and it can be unlearned.
19:43So it's going to be a great place, not only locally,
19:49but I believe even internationally, people will come and see how we persevered
19:55and how we made a difference in our community to help eradicate racism
20:01and the prejudices that are in our society.
20:04You know, Reverend Blue, you always say that you have one chance to get this right.
20:09With that said, are you satisfied with every decision that's been made so far?
20:14Yes, I am, because it's heavily community-involved.
20:17We're doing focus groups even currently right now.
20:20At the very beginning of this, we started by having the community share their input
20:27as to what needs to be done for our community for healing, for our community for uplifting.
20:33As you can see, a lot of things are happening on Jefferson right now
20:37and community redevelopment.
20:40So it fits.
20:42This is going to be a place where people will want to come
20:44and want to share not only their experiences, but even have physical activity, even have yoga.
20:51There's a lot of unlimited possibilities in which we are still developing for this site
20:57and for this building.
20:58It will be used all year round.
21:00And one of the things that we need to do is to know that our children need this learning opportunity
21:06as well as our adults to help in the grieving process.
21:11So, you know, we are working with heavily community input as to what we're doing and going forward.
21:19In Minnesota, authorities are taking a new approach towards reducing fatal shootings.
21:25It starts with investigating non-fatal shootings.
21:29Here's Ramsey County Attorney John Choi explaining this new program
21:34in an interview with Jason Derusha of Odyssey Station WCCO News Talk in the Twin Cities.
21:42How does investigating non-deadly shootings lead to maybe answers in actual homicide?
21:51Yeah, because I think that we're sending the wrong message if we don't solve these crimes.
21:55And let's talk about why this was.
21:58A lot of times, you know, in our communities, we have retaliatory violence, cyclical violence.
22:03So when the police officer shows up to the emergency room and the person is recovering from their gunshots,
22:09they don't want to participate in their own investigation and prosecution.
22:14Because it's gang.
22:14It's like gang stuff where somebody...
22:17Yeah, there's retaliatory violence, and they don't believe that the system is going to keep them safe.
22:21And so it's better for them to exact, keep themselves safe,
22:26and then exact whatever revenge they're going to do.
22:28So this just perpetuates, especially in urban jurisdictions all across America.
22:34But if we were to take an approach to say that we're going to investigate and prosecute these cases
22:40regardless of whether or not the victim participates...
22:43And by the way, we do that all the time for a homicide, right?
22:46There is no victim.
22:47We figure out how to solve these cases so we can do the same thing for these cases.
22:52And so the effort and the initiative is just to really treat these cases like a homicide.
22:59The St. Paul Police created their own separate unit.
23:03It's not the homicide unit.
23:04It's a separate non-fadal shooting unit.
23:06They go out immediately as soon as there are shots fired.
23:10And then we also created a victim-witness emergency fund.
23:15And the theory of change there is that if we could take care of some of the basic needs of
23:20individuals around safety,
23:22maybe later they will participate.
23:24But we're assuming that they're not going to participate.
23:27And we're developing and getting all of the evidence that you can get,
23:31like cell phone location, video cameras, all of those things.
23:35And we're just on it right away and treat them like a homicide.
23:39And that's why these...
23:41The response is sort of the same, right, John?
23:43John, like the police department sends out the same kind of cavalry that they would if...
23:48Now, in St. Paul, there were only 15 homicides, right?
23:51So does that make it more doable?
23:53Yeah, but think about the year before.
23:54But think about the year before.
23:56There were 32, right?
23:5832 homicides.
23:59And then we got it down to 15.
24:00And I know it's because of this.
24:02I mean, just the shots fired in our town.
24:05I mean, it went down from 183 to 73 in terms of non-fadal shootings.
24:10The results are unbelievable.
24:13Are they better than you expected?
24:16Yeah, we were just thinking if we could get it over 50% because our model was Denver.
24:20And they got it up to 50% after a year.
24:22We thought we'd be doing great.
24:23And wow, we're at like above 70%.
24:25And we've been doing that for the last two years.
24:28Thank you so much for listening to this True Crime Roundup from the On Deadline podcast.
24:33This episode was written and produced by me, Lauren Berry.
24:37Special thanks to 1010 Winds in New York, KYW Newsradio in Philadelphia, KRLD 1080 in Dallas,
24:48the Dana and Parks Show out of KMBZ in Kansas City,
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