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00:04It's being touted as the biggest drug bust
00:07in Canadian history and probably
00:09the most dramatic. A story
00:11covering two continents, a plane
00:13chase and up to a billion dollars
00:15worth of cocaine. This was a big
00:17case. I consider it the largest case I'd ever
00:19worked. We did not know
00:20anything about the pilot.
00:2323 years for the pilot Boulanger.
00:25His name is Raymond Boulanger.
00:27Raymond Boulanger.
00:29Well, I don't forget it. It was a hell of a lot of fun.
00:31Let me tell you. It was quite a ride.
00:35I was involved in a lot of different
00:37operations. Operations
00:39supervised by the CIA.
00:42I used to think
00:43the CIA were the good guys and then you start
00:45to realize the more you work for them, well, we're not the good guys.
00:48We're actually the bad guys.
00:50I talked with Pablo
00:51many times and then he was well into the CIA.
00:53They were all in bed with him.
00:56Cocaine.
00:58That's when it got interesting.
01:00I was considered one of the biggest
01:01traffickers at that time.
01:04They asked me if I can
01:06help him
01:08and I did.
01:10The cartels have a history of violence,
01:12a wide trail of destruction
01:14and death.
01:15Bad people.
01:17It's the far west.
01:18It's all part of the game.
01:22My grandfather said
01:23there's three ways you can live life.
01:24You can lead,
01:25you can follow,
01:26or you can get the fuck out the way.
01:28I prefer to lead.
01:46Pablo Escobar is a roughneck guy.
01:48He got around quite a bit.
01:49He hustled.
01:50He was a good hustler
01:50and then he got into the cocaine.
01:53And that's when it got interesting.
01:57In those days,
01:58it was mostly high-class people
01:59that did cocaine,
02:00partying, you know,
02:01movie stars, lawyers.
02:02It was called
02:03the recreational drug of the rich.
02:05The demand was enormous
02:07here in the United States
02:08for cocaine.
02:09The CIA are the biggest drug dealers
02:12in the world,
02:13bar none.
02:17The CIA created phony air carriers
02:20during that time
02:21because there was a conflict
02:22in Nicaragua.
02:25We were also doing
02:28counterinsurgency,
02:28which meant locating the enemy
02:30and then annihilating them.
02:32You'd find out where they were
02:34and then you'd go in
02:35and bomb the living shit out of them.
02:38If you're not strong psychologically,
02:40then find another line of work.
02:50To do charter flights,
02:52there had to be a chief pilot.
02:54Raymond's name came up.
02:55It was pretty random, actually,
02:57but he had all the qualifications needed
02:59to be a chief pilot.
03:02Raymond likes a challenge.
03:04He's landed in pretty tight places.
03:07We were coming back from hunting
03:08and Louis-Paul was on the ground
03:10and he was pointing at a shed
03:11at the airport.
03:12The antennas were shaking inside.
03:14I almost shit my pants.
03:16You're still alive?
03:18Yeah, yeah.
03:20That's Raymond.
03:25I don't know why we get married.
03:27It's the woman that wanted that.
03:28It was up to me.
03:28I wouldn't have got married.
03:31Well, I met her at the Rainbow Bar and Grill.
03:33We were having a few beers
03:33and I met her and we started dating.
03:35She was interesting, you know,
03:36she had an attractive look about her.
03:39We started chatting it up
03:40and that's it.
03:41We started dating
03:41and then the rest happened.
03:46Amber, I think she was born in 76
03:49and then my son was born in 77.
03:52But anyway, the call of the while came
03:55and I had to go back to work
03:56and get back out of there.
03:59The nature of the business
04:01necessitates that it be kept a secret.
04:04You certainly have a double life.
04:05You can't, that all takes place
04:07in the darkness, that stuff.
04:09On vacation, what does he do on vacation?
04:12That's none of our business.
04:14It was his private life.
04:16But we always heard rumors.
04:18I'd always ask Raymond,
04:19hey, what happened there?
04:21Nothing, you know,
04:22on vacation taking time off.
04:25But really, there's no proof.
04:30I always work for myself.
04:32I'm a freelancer, you know,
04:33I'm an individual.
04:34I take contracts or I don't take them.
04:36I'm approached if they want my services
04:38for a job and I'll evaluate
04:39whether I want to do it or not.
04:41We have the options
04:42to take a contract or not.
04:43I'll turn down more than I actually take.
04:48You're a mercenary
04:49and mercenaries were apolitical,
04:50you know, if we're a mercenary,
04:51we're hired professionals
04:52to do a particular job.
04:54We're not hired for a political opinion.
04:56They're the ones that are paying us.
04:58We don't care what their politics are.
05:01That's all word of mouth.
05:02People get around.
05:03So when jobs come up,
05:04people contact you.
05:05When you say on the Rolodex,
05:06it's just the word means
05:07you're on the list.
05:09And that Rolodex is those things
05:10you used to put on your decks,
05:11alphabetically,
05:12where you flip through for names.
05:13and you're looking for somebody's name,
05:15you went for the first letter
05:16and you go under B.
05:18So when operations come up,
05:20they say, oh yeah,
05:20I remember this guy,
05:21that guy, that guy.
05:22So you call up the people
05:23and you put together a group.
05:27So we get contracts
05:28from all these different organizations.
05:30That was all CIA people.
05:32You have to be careful
05:33when you say working for the CIA.
05:36We're not working for the CIA.
05:37We're doing the CIA's dirty work
05:39in black operations
05:40under dummy companies
05:41that have no name,
05:42that appear and disappear
05:44in day's notice.
05:46So what are their transport companies,
05:48which was Southern Air Transport?
05:49Southern Air Transport.
05:51Southern Air Transport
05:52was a fake company.
05:54It was a front for the CIA.
05:57The American Secret Service
05:59used it for various clandestine missions.
06:04The CIA created phony air carriers
06:07during that time
06:08because there was a conflict in Nicaragua.
06:11The target was to overthrow
06:13the Nicaraguan government
06:14run by Daniel Ortega, the communist.
06:16They wanted them out of there.
06:17Since the Boulder Amendment
06:19was passed in Congress in 1980,
06:21the Americans weren't allowed
06:23to interfere in any kind of a government
06:25or allow monetary or financial
06:27or military assistance
06:28into overthrowing a government
06:30that had been democratically elected.
06:32So they have to do it
06:33in black operations
06:34so they don't get caught.
06:36That's what the CIA brings guys like us
06:38into the picture.
06:39And that's our job.
06:41It's to overthrow the government
06:42that's in place.
06:42That's it.
06:48The Sandinista National Liberation Front
06:51took over in Nicaragua.
06:53So it was a regime
06:55that was sympathetic to Cuba.
06:58A communist regime
06:59was being established in Nicaragua.
07:02and for Americans,
07:03that was completely
07:05and utterly unacceptable.
07:08Well, you're in an armed conflict.
07:10People are trying to kill you.
07:11So it does get a little testy at times, yes.
07:14But you know that.
07:15That's what you're paid for.
07:17Yeah, they shoot at you
07:18with missiles and small arms fire
07:19and all that.
07:22We were also doing counterinsurgency,
07:25which meant locating the enemy
07:26and then annihilating them.
07:29You find out where they were
07:30and then you go in
07:32and bomb the living shit out of them.
07:33You know,
07:34and then you come in
07:34and check the next day
07:35if there were any survivors,
07:36you'd go in there
07:37and finish them off too.
07:38It's war.
07:39We're not going out there
07:40playing tiddlywigs.
07:42Serious business.
07:45So, quite rapidly,
07:47weapons were distributed,
07:49the Contras received equipment
07:50and arms.
07:56The Contras?
07:57It's a movement
07:59that was created
08:00as a response
08:01to the Sandinista movement
08:02to end the communist takeover
08:04of Nicaragua.
08:06I believe it was mostly financed
08:08by the United States.
08:09I have every intention
08:10of saying that these people
08:11will receive humanitarian support.
08:14And how that comes about,
08:16we'll just have to wait and see.
08:21The CIA was supplying them
08:24with weapons,
08:26supplies,
08:27and money
08:28in order to overthrow
08:30the new Sandinista government.
08:34It's not the kind of business
08:36you want everybody to know about.
08:38The Contras,
08:39we supply them
08:40with the weapons,
08:41the guns,
08:41the ammunition,
08:42the food.
08:43Yeah, it was all planned.
08:44We did what we had to do.
08:45We had the manifests
08:46and they loaded the plane.
08:48I didn't check
08:48what was on board
08:49and that wasn't my job.
08:51Over time,
08:52Raymond noticed
08:53that when he delivered
08:54weapons or supplies
08:56to the Contras,
08:57the planes
08:58never came back empty.
09:01I was on my way
09:01up to Miami
09:02and I went in the back
09:04of there
09:04and I saw a bag
09:05and I lifted the tarpaulin on it
09:06and it was a bale of cocaine.
09:08And when I got back,
09:09I told my boss,
09:10I said,
09:10by the way,
09:11we got cocaine in the airplane.
09:12He said,
09:12you know about that?
09:13I said, yeah.
09:13He says,
09:14mind your own business.
09:14You're paid to fly the airplane.
09:16Believe me,
09:17it's a nasty world out there.
09:20Financing the counterinsurgency
09:22required money
09:23and that money
09:24came from cocaine trafficking.
09:27That's what was financing
09:28the purchase of weapons.
09:31There is a number of documents
09:32that indicate
09:33that the CIA
09:33used drug trafficking
09:35to finance
09:36the counterinsurgency,
09:37mainly in Central America
09:39and Nicaragua.
09:41They were taking money
09:42from Escobar,
09:42they were taking the drugs
09:43from Escobar
09:44and it was all
09:45getting patched around.
09:47Manuel Noriega
09:48had been a CIA asset
09:49since he was a student
09:50in university.
09:52Yeah,
09:52but the guy
09:53that really stirred shit up
09:54is Regan.
09:54He didn't even know
09:55what the CIA
09:56was really up to
09:57and then his buddy
09:58George Bush
09:58who became
09:59his vice president,
10:01he's the one
10:02who was in charge
10:02of the CIA.
10:04I even saw them
10:05talking in the corner,
10:06you know,
10:07Noriega there,
10:08Escobar right there
10:09and his brother there
10:09and George Bush
10:10sitting over there
10:11with Felix Rodriguez
10:12right beside him
10:12because they were
10:13keeping an eye
10:14on their little operation
10:14because don't forget
10:15Bush,
10:16he was the head
10:16of the CIA
10:17at the time.
10:18I saw it
10:18with my own eyes
10:19and I don't give a shit
10:20what people think
10:21or other things.
10:21They can go,
10:22eh,
10:23I don't care
10:24what people think
10:24and I'm not out here
10:25to convince anybody
10:26anything.
10:26I'm just telling you
10:27what it is
10:28and that's it.
10:30The CIA
10:31are the biggest
10:32drug dealers
10:32in the world,
10:33bar none.
10:35And it's still
10:36the case today.
10:39And when it comes
10:40to drugs and alcohol,
10:42just say no.
10:46they were flying
10:47the cocaine
10:48into Los Angeles
10:49and Florida
10:49and Texas
10:50and that's how
10:51they pay for
10:51their legal operations.
10:52They got caught
10:53red-handed.
10:54There was an investigation.
10:56And they all got caught.
10:57And they all got convicted.
10:59And they all got pardoned.
11:01Ask contractors,
11:01we don't panic.
11:02The operation is shut down.
11:04We just go somewhere else.
11:05We're not involved
11:05in their fucking politics.
11:06That's their problem.
11:11He was moving around
11:12all the time.
11:13He never stayed put
11:14for long.
11:15In fact,
11:15he was always doing
11:17many things at once.
11:18Sometimes,
11:19he'd try to settle down
11:20for a while,
11:21but he clearly
11:22wasn't meant for that.
11:27I spent my whole life
11:28on the road
11:29in airplanes
11:30and traveling
11:30around the world.
11:31So it's not very conducive
11:32to being married.
11:33You're never home.
11:34So it's one or the other.
11:36You can't have everything
11:37your way.
11:38And my entire career,
11:39I get home
11:40and just enough time
11:41to change my clothes
11:42and pack another suitcase
11:44and leave again.
11:47So in 86,
11:48I divorced my second wife
11:49in 1986.
11:50She thought I wasn't
11:51home enough,
11:52so I told her,
11:53sorry, but...
11:55Oh, yeah,
11:56she moved out west
11:57to Ottawa for a while.
11:58She got remarried.
12:00So the kids stay
12:01with their mother.
12:02Yeah.
12:03How are they going
12:04to stay with me?
12:04I'm working in the jungles
12:05and deserts,
12:06Southeast Asia
12:07and South America.
12:07Yeah, I'm going to have
12:08my kids with me, right?
12:10Doesn't work that way.
12:11Well, I have a good
12:12relationship with my kids.
12:13Never changed.
12:15They know who their dad is.
12:17They don't think
12:18I'm a criminal.
12:24It's a difficult life
12:25if you're raising a family.
12:26It doesn't work very well.
12:27You know, you're never home.
12:28And I don't regret it.
12:29One inch.
12:30I love it.
12:31Wouldn't change it.
12:42It was late afternoon
12:43in Panama.
12:45We were walking
12:46on the golf course
12:47at the Howard Air Base
12:48and we saw a bunch of guys
12:49playing soccer over there.
12:51They kicked the ball
12:52at one point
12:53and it came rolling out
12:54to where we were.
12:55So we kicked the ball back in
12:56and they just waved over
12:57to us and come over
12:58and they waved some beer
12:59in the air.
12:59and we went over
13:00to have a few beers
13:01with him
13:01and I recognized the face.
13:03I hadn't met him before
13:04but I'd recognized him
13:05right away
13:05and that's the first
13:06time I saw him.
13:10Pablo Escobar
13:10is a roughneck guy
13:11and he got around
13:12quite a bit.
13:12You know, he hustled.
13:13He was a good hustler
13:13and then he got
13:14into the cocaine.
13:16That's when it got interesting.
13:21He got into the cocaine
13:22in 84 or 85
13:23somewhere around there.
13:24That's when cocaine
13:24started to go big.
13:25Pablo realized the potential,
13:27how much money
13:27was to be made on that
13:28because everybody
13:29lost interest
13:30in the marijuana business.
13:32You know,
13:33there wasn't much profit
13:34in it to begin with.
13:36One of Pablo's close friends
13:37actually was his cousin,
13:38Gustavo,
13:39said,
13:39Ray, why not the hell
13:40don't you come
13:41and fly with us?
13:44Cocaine didn't hit the market
13:45and become widely known
13:46until the mid-80s.
13:50In those days
13:51it was mostly high-class people
13:52that did cocaine,
13:53partying, you know,
13:54movie stars, lawyers,
13:56executives,
13:56people with money.
13:57It was called
13:58that the recreational drug
13:59is rich.
14:00And it still is.
14:01Demand was starting
14:02to increase quite drastically
14:04and a new market
14:05was created as a result.
14:07Yeah, you could say that.
14:08The United States
14:09were the first major market
14:11for cocaine
14:11and other countries
14:13followed suit.
14:14And cocaine got popular
14:15all over the world.
14:16Cocaine is a drug
14:18meant for pleasure,
14:18for partying.
14:19It has a market.
14:21It makes its way
14:22to anyone who wants it.
14:25At one point,
14:27drug trafficking
14:28supposedly accounted
14:29for 5% of Colombia's GDP.
14:31I think it's more than that.
14:34Let's say
14:34the global cocaine market
14:36is 900 metric tons a year.
14:38Colombia produces
14:3980% of that.
14:44It seems that
14:45the climate,
14:46the geography
14:47and the armed conflict
14:48created just,
14:49just the right conditions
14:51for Colombia
14:51to produce a huge amount,
14:53in fact,
14:54a huge amount of cocaine.
14:57Pablo Escobar
14:58started exporting
14:59massive, massive
15:00industrial amounts
15:01of cocaine.
15:02And that became
15:02the industrialization
15:04of the cocaine business.
15:05so it started
15:06to be going
15:06from 200 or 300 kilos
15:08at a time
15:09to tons.
15:15Because he had
15:15the roots into Miami,
15:17into Texas,
15:18into South California.
15:21And it was being
15:22controlled by Pablo
15:23and Pablo's people.
15:24And that's what
15:24the cartel was.
15:25So Pablo had
15:26not only his own cocaine,
15:28but he had the cut
15:29of everybody else's
15:30who was piggybacking
15:31with him
15:31because he had
15:32the doors.
15:33He had a lot
15:34of coke to sell
15:35or it didn't cost him
15:36anything.
15:36And the others
15:37would go through him.
15:38And that's how,
15:38that's how it was.
15:39That's how cartels work.
15:43You have cartels
15:44that form together
15:45to control the prices,
15:47control the quality
15:48of the product,
15:49control the distribution,
15:50control the territories.
15:51They have agreements
15:52that are put in place
15:53that makes it function.
15:54It's like a corporation.
15:58In Colombia,
15:5910 people can get together
16:00and start a laboratory.
16:02They can produce
16:03and sell
16:04a ton of cocaine.
16:06The buyer
16:07has the responsibility
16:08of transporting it
16:10and delivering it
16:11to the U.S.,
16:12Australia and Canada
16:14where it is sold.
16:17I would tell them,
16:18what,
16:18this is the kind of airplane
16:19you got to use
16:20and you can't load it more than that.
16:21You would show them technique.
16:23How would they pay me?
16:24Many ways.
16:25Money,
16:27property,
16:28vehicles,
16:29jewelry,
16:30art.
16:31They don't write checks.
16:32It's all cash.
16:35Because you have to understand
16:36each producer
16:37has his own trademark.
16:40Each producer
16:41has his own brand
16:41and they can't mix that around.
16:43That thing can be traced
16:44from the moment
16:45it leaves the lab
16:45until the moment
16:46it's delivered.
16:47And some of them
16:48are wrapped in gold leaf paper.
16:49Quite proud of those ones.
16:50It's set on them
16:51the very best
16:52for our very best customers.
17:01And the best way
17:02to get cocaine
17:03into the United States
17:04and to supply other markets
17:07was by airplane.
17:15Pablo Escobar used to say
17:17that the real heroes
17:18in drug trafficking
17:19were his first plane pilots.
17:21Piloting schools
17:22started popping up
17:23throughout the country.
17:26A lot of people
17:27got their piloting license
17:29and a whole air fleet
17:31was created
17:32for Colombia's
17:33drug traffickers.
17:36Yeah, they didn't do
17:37any training.
17:38They just sent guys
17:38out there randomly.
17:39The guys weren't used
17:40to it at all.
17:41They had many flying hours
17:42and so a lot of them
17:43crashed messed up.
17:46Well, you're flying
17:47overloaded airplanes.
17:48You're flying
17:48in extremely dangerous weather.
17:50It's dangerous.
17:51It's extremely dangerous.
17:52Yeah.
17:53You want me to tell you
17:54more about it?
17:55It's dangerous.
17:57The first years
17:57I got involved in that
17:59they were dropping off
18:00aircraft out of Cali
18:01to the rate of 20, 30 a year
18:03by using inexperienced pilots.
18:04flying in bad conditions
18:06when they didn't have to
18:07at night when they
18:07didn't have to do that
18:08because they were
18:09overloading, grossly
18:10overloading their airplanes.
18:12And I remember many
18:13occasions where I knew
18:14people that were doing that
18:15and I said,
18:15you're going to kill people.
18:16Even here up front
18:18in the luggage compartment,
18:20we could easily put
18:21up to 60 kilos in here.
18:23They didn't understand
18:24aerodynamics and shit
18:26like that,
18:26that the airplane
18:27will fly at that weight.
18:28Way beyond that,
18:29it won't fly.
18:32It's the entire cruise.
18:33You can't bring them back.
18:35They're all dead.
18:41The Caribbean Sea
18:42is full of planes.
18:44It's a drug trafficking
18:45cemetery.
18:48Being a pilot
18:49in the drug trafficking industry
18:51was very lucrative.
18:53All the poor kids
18:54wanted to become hitmen.
18:56All the middle class kids
18:57wanted to become pilots.
19:01The lifespan of those planes
19:03wasn't long.
19:05The way they ran
19:06their operations,
19:07they obviously didn't
19:08understand much about
19:09aviation, seriously.
19:10And I sat around the table,
19:12I said,
19:12why are you doing this?
19:13Well, you know,
19:14we're in and that.
19:14And I said,
19:14well, you don't understand
19:15what's going on, do you?
19:16Because there's no percentage
19:17in losing a guy in the ocean
19:19and an aircraft
19:20and your load.
19:21Just because, you know,
19:22you're being stupid.
19:23I said,
19:23there's smart ways to do it.
19:25And that's the way
19:26we changed our tactics
19:27a little.
19:28So I flipped all that around.
19:30I had started doing flights
19:31in the daytime
19:31and I showed them
19:32how to penetrate air routes
19:33and hide among all the air
19:34traffic in the daytime.
19:35So we gave checkouts
19:36to the pilots
19:37that were able to handle
19:38those flights.
19:40But we trained them well
19:42and we taught them
19:42how to stay safe.
19:44They don't understand
19:45the nature of what the radar
19:46is and all that.
19:47The radar can't track you
19:49more than 200 miles
19:49or 250 miles away.
19:51It doesn't have the range.
19:53Even if you fly at night,
19:54you're not going to hide
19:55from the radar
19:55no matter what the weather
19:56or what the time
19:57either the radar
19:58is going to be there.
19:58They're not all geniuses
19:59these drug traffickers,
20:00you know.
20:01I explained how to use
20:03air routes.
20:04How to use them
20:05to hide from air traffic.
20:06They went from losing
20:0720, 30 airplanes a year
20:09down to one or two
20:10or three.
20:11And the one or two
20:11or three was due
20:12to incompetence
20:13and had taken off
20:14way overloaded
20:14but nothing to do
20:15with the people
20:16that I work with.
20:20That was Raymond Boulanger's
20:23heyday, working with
20:26drug cartels.
20:27He was really there
20:28during the golden age
20:30when cocaine made it
20:32to Montreal
20:33and everywhere else
20:34in North America.
20:38In 1977, DEA at the time
20:42seized 600 kilograms
20:45of cocaine
20:45for the whole year
20:46in the United States.
20:481988, DEA seized
20:5160,000 kilos.
20:53So the demand was
20:55enormous here
20:56in the United States
20:57for cocaine.
21:02We basically
21:03were going after
21:05the air wing
21:07of the cartels.
21:09And eventually
21:09we would catch up
21:11to them
21:11and we would start
21:12having seizures
21:12and we would start
21:13penetrating
21:14different areas
21:16of their production.
21:20Pablo didn't like
21:21the DEA.
21:22There was $500,000
21:23U.S. rewards
21:24for anybody
21:24who would shoot a DEA.
21:26They were scared
21:26shitless,
21:27put it that way.
21:28They didn't dare.
21:30They killed anyone
21:31linked to the DEA.
21:32They had their tongues
21:33cut off
21:34and threw them
21:34in the street.
21:36The DEA agents
21:38were very scared
21:38of him as well.
21:39Very scared.
21:41So you can believe it.
21:42The DEA weren't
21:43hanging around
21:43in public places.
21:45The Colombians
21:46called us
21:47the ugly ones.
21:49DEA.
21:51They didn't like us.
21:54Yeah, we've always
21:55played hardball
21:56with them.
21:57Always.
21:59We never gave
22:00anybody a break.
22:01Bad people.
22:03Yeah.
22:04So, yeah,
22:05you had to play
22:06hardball with them.
22:12Sometimes you get
22:13a contract,
22:13you'd only be on it
22:14for two or three weeks.
22:15Sometimes it could be
22:16a month or two months.
22:19First flight I did
22:20to Mexico
22:21for the Medellin cartel.
22:23And that was
22:24into the desert
22:25in Nuevo Leon,
22:26southwest of Monterey.
22:31You take a look here,
22:32there was this trip
22:33here called
22:33Llanos de Baturi.
22:36It's an old
22:3712-mile-long lake
22:38that dried up.
22:39It was 12 miles long
22:40and we used
22:41to land jets there.
22:46When I arrived here,
22:47they didn't tell me
22:48who the reception was.
22:49I knew it was
22:50all taken care of
22:51and all that kind of shit.
22:52I didn't really know
22:53who's there.
22:53I just wanted to be
22:54sure it's the right place
22:54and that's the coordinates
22:56and yeah.
22:57and when I got there
22:58and all the lights,
22:58I landed and all the lights
22:59came on like I see
23:00with soldiers.
23:01It's all soldiers
23:02all around it.
23:10Just off, shit.
23:12You know, the jig is up
23:13or something like that.
23:14You know, we're done.
23:14First trip into here
23:15and we're caught.
23:18And you could tell
23:18that we're military.
23:19These weren't half-hazard,
23:20you know, hired thugs,
23:21you know.
23:22These were guys
23:23in military uniform
23:23and sure enough
23:24when I opened the door
23:25it was full of
23:26lieutenant colonel
23:27that came to the aircraft
23:27and he knew my name already
23:29because he was expecting me
23:31and he called me by my name,
23:32Commandant de Jon
23:33and hey, come on,
23:34hey, we'll take you
23:35and we had a cognac.
23:36He said, I'll drive you
23:38out of here.
23:38I'm the one
23:38that's going to drive
23:39you out of here.
23:40Oof.
23:41I was pretty relieved
23:42after that.
23:43About 20 minutes later
23:43we left in a truck.
23:46I didn't know
23:47and they didn't tell me
23:47that this was all arranged
23:49and I got used to that
23:50after that
23:51because it was either
23:51the military
23:52or the police.
23:52It was either or.
23:53Everybody's on their payroll.
23:54That's either it.
23:56You either work for them
23:57or you get killed.
23:57It's that simple.
24:18Colombia is one of the most
24:19corrupt countries
24:20in the world.
24:21I think that if corruption
24:23were to stop,
24:24hypothetically,
24:25for a month,
24:25the Colombian economy
24:27would completely fall apart.
24:29Immediately.
24:31I left Cali
24:32with drugs on the plane.
24:34I left Medin
24:35with drugs on the plane.
24:37The police cleared it all.
24:38It's simple.
24:40They're bought
24:41and paid for.
24:42It's outrageous
24:43the corruption
24:45in Colombia.
24:46It's, you know,
24:48it's a way of life,
24:49the corruption.
24:54I had an informant
24:56that worked
24:56in the U.S. Embassy.
24:58I would pay him
24:58$5,000 every Saturday
25:00and he would supply me
25:01with the whole map
25:02of the Caribbean
25:03and all the different zones
25:04they had
25:05because they had
25:05different zones
25:06where they would send
25:07the aircraft to patrol.
25:08The U.S. Customs,
25:09the Coast Guard,
25:10and the DEA.
25:11I knew where they would
25:12take off from,
25:13what time they would leave,
25:14what type of aircraft it was,
25:15and that was good for us
25:16because we knew
25:17where they were going
25:18and we went the other way.
25:19Very efficient
25:20and it was taking us time
25:22in law enforcement
25:23to catch up
25:24to where they were at.
25:25We used to make a joke
25:26that we were dancing
25:27the Macarena
25:28and they were on
25:28a whole new dance.
25:30Everybody was in
25:30on the business,
25:31the politicians,
25:32the rebels,
25:33you name it,
25:33everybody was in on it.
25:35They're all corrupt
25:36to the yin-yang.
25:40Some people
25:40will do anything
25:41for money, you know.
25:42You can pay $50
25:43to get your neighbor shot
25:44if you want.
25:45You get the picture?
25:47If you can get a guy shot
25:48for $50,
25:49nothing is complicated.
25:53The country has been destroyed
25:55by narco-trafficking.
25:57The proportion of corruption
25:59is terrifying.
26:02It smells of death.
26:04People know
26:05that a whole slew of people
26:06have blood on their hands.
26:09When Escobar was around
26:11and narco-terrorism,
26:15journalists were being killed
26:16like flies in the country.
26:19I have nine bodyguards
26:21and two bulletproof vehicles.
26:24I'd be dead or else.
26:26And that's just because
26:27I'm a journalist.
26:28I'm not involved
26:29in narco-trafficking.
26:3223 days ago,
26:33I was told
26:34I have one month to live.
26:36Today,
26:36I have seven left.
26:40If you get caught
26:41in a crossfire
26:41in the drug business,
26:42tough shit, buddy.
26:43You shouldn't have been there.
26:44You know,
26:45there's no such a thing
26:46as an innocent victim.
26:47Don't give me that shit.
26:48So you think
26:48I'm going to feel empathy
26:49for dead people
26:50in the drug business?
26:51Get the hell out of my face.
26:53I'm not ever going
26:53to feel empathy for that.
26:56If you're not strong
26:58psychologically,
26:59then find another line to work.
27:00There's all kinds
27:01of greed people involved.
27:02You're dealing
27:03with criminal elements
27:03of the lowest kind,
27:05you know,
27:05from all the way
27:06to the bottom
27:06of the scumbucket,
27:08to the top,
27:08to the elite,
27:09the ruling class.
27:10And some of them,
27:11you know,
27:11the little crooks
27:12around there,
27:12we call them
27:12little chichipadas,
27:13they'll pass the word
27:14around to their friends.
27:16You know,
27:16well, there's a shipment
27:17that's going to be
27:17passing up there.
27:18It's going to go,
27:19yeah.
27:19So they'll get together
27:20a little gang of them
27:21and they'll harm themselves
27:22to the teeth
27:23and try and hijack the load.
27:25See, yeah,
27:26they rarely survive.
27:27You know,
27:27so we're armed
27:28to the teeth too.
27:29We were very heavily armed.
27:31I always had my,
27:31I've already had a 9mm
27:32in the back of my jeans,
27:34even for normal
27:35traveling around
27:35in Colombia.
27:37I used it.
27:40Sure enough,
27:40they had laid logs
27:41across the trail
27:42so that you couldn't
27:43get around,
27:44you had to actually get out.
27:45So the other truck
27:46held off in the back
27:46and then one truck
27:47got up close enough
27:48when the shooting started
27:49and that was it.
27:50We expected it.
27:51It lasted probably
27:52maybe 20 minutes
27:53and when it was finished
27:55there was none of them left.
27:57Well, we're armed
27:58to the teeth.
27:58We reacted.
28:00It's just either
28:00shoot or get shots,
28:01one or the other.
28:04When the shooting
28:05starts like that
28:05there's a lot of noise
28:06going on
28:06and it goes
28:07and you can actually
28:08feel the heat off the bugger
28:09if it comes close enough.
28:12It's not,
28:12it's not a job
28:14that helps you
28:16live a long time.
28:19I'm here today
28:19and they're not
28:20so there's your answer.
28:23I survived,
28:24they didn't.
28:32It's just really,
28:33it's exhilarating
28:34and after that
28:35you just say,
28:36hot damn,
28:36okay,
28:37and that's all over
28:37and then you get over there
28:38and you go get whiskey
28:39and smoke a few cigars
28:41and then we go on
28:42to the next job,
28:43you know,
28:43it takes a couple of days
28:44for your adrenaline
28:44to wear off.
28:45Even after a long
28:47drug flight,
28:48you know,
28:48a successful drug flight,
28:49we take three or four days
28:50and we do nothing
28:51but hang around the pool
28:52and get drunk,
28:53you know,
28:54and fool around
28:55with the girls
28:56and, you know,
28:57smoke a few joints
28:58and chill out
28:59until the next job.
29:00But after three or four days
29:01you get antsy,
29:02it's okay,
29:03where's the next job,
29:04you know?
29:06You want to be going
29:07all the time,
29:07you know?
29:08It takes a while.
29:11He was really excited by it.
29:13He'd take his plane
29:14and fly.
29:15It rained.
29:16He went through the jungle.
29:19It was all about,
29:20all about the adrenaline.
29:22He thrived on it.
29:24It was his drug of choice.
29:27He was his own worst enemy
29:29when you think about it.
29:31He always wanted
29:32a bigger rush,
29:33more excitement.
29:35He knew how to fly.
29:37He knew the risk
29:38he was taking.
29:39He was an adrenaline freak.
29:41Probably,
29:41like they all are.
29:43Dangerous.
29:44It's fun.
29:44It's adrenaline bus.
29:45It's a boost.
29:46You know,
29:46you become an adrenaline junkie.
29:49And frankly,
29:50we're all adrenaline junkies
29:51when we're in that business.
29:52We thrive on the adrenaline.
29:54The bus is extraordinary.
29:55The money's secondary.
29:59But it was a tug of war.
30:01We were going back and forth
30:02and many times
30:03it didn't feel like
30:04we were winning the war.
30:05but at times we did.
30:08We can't do
30:09what the cartels do.
30:10They could kill people.
30:11They could pay off people.
30:13They could threaten people.
30:17So they have that capability
30:18and we didn't have that.
30:20So there were people in Colombia
30:22that were very much affected
30:24and the citizens of Colombia
30:25the amount of violence
30:27that they had to put up with
30:28and innocent people
30:30that were in the crossfire.
30:32The United States bears a burden
30:34because we create the demand.
30:38It's not worth lying
30:39to ourselves anymore.
30:41If drugs enter the United States
30:43it's because the United States
30:45is letting them in.
30:47There isn't a shortage
30:48of cocaine for users
30:49in Canada
30:51or the United States.
30:53There isn't a single dose missing.
30:56So where is the fight
30:57against drugs happening?
30:58Who's taking care of it?
31:00It's a joke.
31:02This drug war is a sham.
31:04It's false.
31:05It's fake.
31:06That's called corruption and greed.
31:08You know, money is evil.
31:10Don't forget the old saying
31:12the root of evil is money.
31:19I know pilots that were making
31:21an average of three to four million dollars
31:23every two or three days.
31:26After 85, I don't think
31:27I ever did a flight
31:28under three million dollars.
31:29I kept money up here, yeah.
31:31And my dad used to hide it
31:32in his double wall.
31:33I knew young guys
31:34that were 25, 30 years old
31:36and had 15, 20 million dollars
31:37in their basement stashed.
31:39But they were so nervous
31:40they would go to the restaurant
31:41and after about an hour
31:42they're all nervous
31:42and they want to go home.
31:43The money ruined their life.
31:46It's all cash
31:47and so much of it
31:48and so much of it, they weigh it.
31:49They don't even count it anymore.
31:50They just weigh it.
31:51That pallet, that's 10 million,
31:53that's 50 million,
31:54that's 100 million.
31:57I saw warehouses in Cali
31:59stacked to the ceiling.
32:03That led to huge fortunes
32:06appearing throughout Colombia.
32:08The fortunes were so large
32:11there was so much money
32:13it became obvious
32:15because drug traffickers
32:16were spending so much.
32:18The flashers are always there.
32:20The fancy cars in Miami
32:21and all that, the Miami Vice scene.
32:23These huge houses
32:24with all the art they're there
32:25to show off that they got money.
32:26I don't understand
32:27people's fascination with money.
32:28you want it, you want it
32:30because you don't have it
32:31but when you got too much of it
32:32you don't want it that much,
32:34believe me.
32:36There's more problems
32:37than it really brings.
32:38That'd be a good question
32:39to ask them.
32:40Where's his money?
32:43Fuck off.
32:44Don't like it complicated.
32:45I know where my box is
32:47and it isn't in some bank.
32:58The business of the DEA now
33:00was not going after
33:01the damn drugs anymore.
33:02They were going after the money.
33:03The whole idea
33:04was to seize the money.
33:07We conducted our investigation
33:10into the Colombian Aviation units.
33:12The original strategy
33:13would start out
33:14with the purchase of an aircraft.
33:16As they went up in size,
33:18the cost of the plane went up.
33:19They could afford to walk away
33:21from that expense
33:23because they were making
33:25so much money on the cocaine.
33:27The real difficulty
33:28was to purchase the plane
33:31and try to keep it
33:32as long as they could.
33:33You take the airplanes
33:34away from them,
33:35they had a hard time
33:37transporting into cocaine.
33:38The aircraft gets seized
33:39on drug loads.
33:40I would get a call
33:41and they would say,
33:42well, we got this one seized
33:43such and such a time,
33:44it'll be up for auction
33:45on that date and that date
33:47and that was it.
33:47So I would call up
33:48and I would check the list
33:49and all that
33:49and I'd call the sheriff
33:50and I'd register my company
33:51in there.
33:52Yeah, I'm going to be there.
33:53I want to bid on that aircraft,
33:54that aircraft and that aircraft.
33:57To help the Colombians out,
34:00he went to the United States
34:01with cash.
34:03He'd buy back the planes
34:04the DEA had seized
34:05and he'd bring them
34:06back to Colombia.
34:07But, you know,
34:08I would never specifically
34:10go there and register
34:11to bid on a particular aircraft.
34:13I would bid on five
34:14or six or seven,
34:15which I had no intention
34:16of acquiring,
34:17but I would focus on the one
34:19that they wanted me.
34:20They said,
34:20that's the one we want,
34:21go get it.
34:22Some of those planes
34:23were $400,000,
34:24$500,000,
34:25up to a million dollars.
34:27And it made sense.
34:28You follow the money
34:29to find where the bad guys are.
34:32I had got a call
34:33to pick up a Mitsubishi,
34:34a marquee.
34:35I said, yeah, okay.
34:36And they me too,
34:37they belong to one
34:38of the Medin's rings
34:39and I got a call from the cartel.
34:43So I had brought 10%
34:44with me in cash.
34:46That day I had $65,000
34:48in my briefcase
34:49to go for that deal.
34:51Usually you leave a deposit.
34:52After you go to the bank,
34:53you pay the rest
34:54and you get the plane.
34:55But that time
34:56I drove with my dad
34:57to Burlington
34:57to take a flight down there.
35:01And I had it in my briefcase
35:03and I was in a rush
35:04to get to Florida
35:04because the auction
35:05was the next day.
35:06Anyway,
35:07they pulled me in
35:08and they said,
35:09what's you have
35:09in your briefcase?
35:09I said, money.
35:10They said,
35:11did you declare it?
35:12No.
35:14I said,
35:15park your car there.
35:17Park the car,
35:18search the car,
35:18all that.
35:19What do you have
35:19in your briefcase?
35:20Well, I said,
35:21money and documents.
35:22Where are you going?
35:23I'm going to an auction.
35:25Well, so in the office,
35:26so they take it out
35:27and then they counted
35:28every bill
35:29and they registered
35:29every serial number.
35:30So that took
35:31about three and a half hours.
35:32We had a direct link
35:34between drug money
35:35being used to buy aircraft
35:37that were used
35:38to fly cocaine
35:39into Mexico
35:40that was targeted
35:41for the United States.
35:42And as an enforcement technique,
35:44we would use
35:45those opportunities
35:46for surveillance
35:47and for tracing the money
35:48back to the
35:49Colombian organizations.
35:51And not only that,
35:52when they requested
35:52me and all that,
35:53they sent a fax
35:55to the sheriff's office
35:56in Broward County
35:57and he returned by,
35:58oh yeah,
35:58we know this guy very well.
35:59He comes here often.
36:00His company's registered.
36:01Yes, he does come here.
36:03Yes, he's registered to come.
36:04He's going to be
36:05at the auction tomorrow.
36:05That's probably.
36:06And the DEA said,
36:07no, no, no,
36:07you're going there
36:08to buy drugs.
36:09Because once they get
36:10their hands on the money,
36:11that's it.
36:11My dad was with me
36:13and he had 20 grand on him
36:14because he was going down
36:15to play the casinos
36:16and have some fun.
36:17So he got arrested too
36:18because he didn't declare it.
36:19I did 13 months
36:21in the penitentiary
36:22in the States for that.
36:23My dad did 12 months.
36:28The charge read,
36:29failure to declare
36:29a monetary transaction
36:30exceeding $10,000.
36:32And they sent me
36:33and my dad
36:33to Danbury, Connecticut
36:34after that.
36:35Oh, he took a big...
36:36My dad just laughed.
36:37He just, you know,
36:38we'll get on with it.
36:39You know,
36:40just deal with it.
36:44We had fun.
36:46You know,
36:46it was pretty relaxed
36:47and we had a...
36:48You know,
36:48there was some very high level
36:49of financial criminals.
36:52Yeah,
36:53but he had his own
36:53little sideline going on
36:54and I won't talk about it.
36:56That was his business.
36:57My old man
36:57had his own little dealings.
37:00But he was very generously
37:02compensated for his time.
37:06According to him,
37:07it was fun.
37:07he taught inmates French
37:08and all.
37:09He doesn't seem scarred
37:10by the experience.
37:15Oh, yeah,
37:15I enjoyed myself.
37:16It was a good time.
37:19And during his incarceration
37:20in an American prison,
37:22he met a Belgian man
37:25who sold weapons
37:27and other stuff
37:28to various countries.
37:30I got into the arms business
37:31with him.
37:35We sold weapons
37:36to various clients
37:37that needed them
37:38for various reasons,
37:39let's say.
37:41We oversaw local distribution
37:43in the Middle East
37:43and Africa.
37:46I had Ecuador,
37:47Peru,
37:48and Colombia
37:48as clients.
37:52I supplied them
37:53with bullets
37:53for the police.
37:54Nine millimeter,
37:55actually.
37:58As a businessman,
38:00Raymond Balanger's career
38:01was opportunistic.
38:03Weapons trafficking,
38:04drug trafficking
38:05aren't ends
38:05in themselves for him.
38:07They're a means
38:07to a living
38:08and adventurous lifestyle.
38:10My dad was like that
38:11and I'm like him.
38:13I do things my way.
38:15I've always been like that.
38:21When he got out of jail,
38:24Raymond turned
38:25to selling weapons,
38:27aircraft parts,
38:29and aircrafts
38:30in countries
38:31that needed
38:32to be supplied
38:33clandestinely
38:34because they were
38:35on the U.S.'s blacklist.
38:37He served as liaison
38:38between the buyer
38:39and the seller.
38:41He was the middleman.
38:42that both parties knew
38:43and that delivered
38:44the merchandise.
38:46He was the one
38:47trusted with the merchandise
38:48and he ensured
38:49that everything
38:50was delivered
38:51according to plan.
38:55Belgium is really
38:57the center
38:57for arms businesses.
38:59You know,
38:59everybody's represented.
39:00It's also the headquarters
39:01for NATO.
39:03Actually,
39:03we were just down
39:04the street from NATO.
39:04Kitty cat across the corner
39:05was the NATO headquarters.
39:07That was our office,
39:08just right next to them.
39:09So you'd get to meet
39:10all the people
39:10from these countries
39:12and make your contacts
39:13and take your orders.
39:17So we would meet
39:18all the different people,
39:18the military attachés
39:19and all that,
39:20you know,
39:21and diplomatic soirees.
39:23He sent me a list
39:24every month,
39:25a list of what he needed.
39:26I made the purchases.
39:30There are lenient laws
39:31in Belgium.
39:33Belgian regulations
39:34work in favor,
39:35let's say,
39:36of clandestine
39:37and illegal operations
39:39of weapons trafficking,
39:40as they are,
39:41of course,
39:42quite lucrative.
39:43I think it's sick
39:45what people do
39:45to make a buck in it.
39:47So I would go out
39:48and shop for that.
39:49Kept me pretty well
39:50on the go.
39:51It's quite exciting.
39:52Sometimes I had to
39:53ride people
39:53to get certain parts made
39:55because they were strict
39:56with military
39:57specification numbers
39:58on them.
39:59So I bribed people.
40:01I only remember
40:02a couple of occasions
40:03where I had to collect money
40:04and we won't discuss
40:05the collection techniques here.
40:07They were given a choice.
40:08They either cooperated
40:09or they got shot
40:10and they would be confronted
40:12with the briefcase
40:14and the gun.
40:15You either cooperate
40:16with this
40:16or you get killed.
40:17It's as simple as that.
40:24My clientele
40:25in my portfolio
40:26was Iran.
40:27Iran was my number
40:29one client.
40:32Weapons were being
40:34trafficked
40:34because of the United States
40:36embargo
40:36on the Middle East.
40:38That actually created
40:40business opportunities
40:41for some.
40:44So Merix
40:45would call on
40:46Raymond's services
40:47to sell radar parts
40:49and weapons parts.
40:51I would buy
40:51the products they needed
40:52and sell them
40:53for a Swiss company,
40:54a Belgian company
40:55and another one.
40:56The stuff eventually
40:57made it to Iran.
40:59Missiles,
41:00that kind of stuff,
41:01mines, grenades,
41:02those kind of explosives.
41:04I was mostly specialized
41:05in aircraft engines
41:06and parts.
41:07I sold all kinds of stuff
41:09for airplanes.
41:10Brake parts,
41:11propeller parts,
41:12speed drive parts.
41:14I would make
41:15a bunch of purchases
41:16and deliver them
41:16all at once.
41:19I was having tires
41:20made for the Iranians
41:22for their F-4 Phantom jets,
41:23which were American jets.
41:24So they couldn't really
41:25fly them anymore
41:26because they weren't allowed
41:26to get any more parts.
41:27So I would buy
41:28all the different parts
41:29for that,
41:30shipped through,
41:30cleared through a duty-free
41:31zone that I had here
41:32in a warehouse in Montreal.
41:34But the product
41:35actually never came here
41:36and sold them
41:37to a dummy company
41:38in Switzerland,
41:39which was really
41:39the Iranians.
41:40So you get the idea.
41:42we don't mind.
41:43Americans can embargo
41:44everything all they
41:45goddamn well want.
41:45We couldn't give a shit.
41:46There's always a way
41:47to get around it.
41:51I also had other clients.
41:53Libya was one of my clients
41:54and I went to Libya
41:55on a regular basis.
41:59Libya at the time
42:01was under a dictator's control,
42:03Colonel Gaddafi.
42:05Things were very heated
42:08with the United States.
42:09and, of course,
42:11Libya needed parts
42:12for its civil aircrafts
42:14and military aircrafts.
42:17And since Belgium
42:19is home to an
42:20international weapons market,
42:23it was probably
42:24the easiest place
42:25or one of the easiest places
42:27to buy those kinds of parts.
42:32I would leave from Geneva
42:34and go to Tripoli.
42:35And once in Tripoli,
42:37I would leave Tripoli
42:38and I'd go do my inspections
42:39in the middle of the desert.
42:40Here at a little point here,
42:41it's called Beda.
42:42That was an oil rig,
42:43basically.
42:44It was an operating base.
42:45They had a big runway built there.
42:47They had a hangar.
42:48They had people
42:48that rotated in and out of there.
42:51So I'd arrive in Libya.
42:52They'd escort me to the hotel.
42:54I'd spend the night
42:54in the hotel.
42:55The next morning,
42:55I'd get on a Libyan Airlines.
42:57I'd go into the desert
42:58in Beda,
42:59do all my thing there.
43:00The colonels there
43:01would meet me.
43:02I had an envelope
43:03that I used to carry.
43:04It was a bribe.
43:04It was not mine.
43:05It was being carried
43:07on behalf of another company.
43:09There was a Canadian company
43:10that was doing business
43:11in there,
43:12and that was who belonged
43:13to the envelope
43:14that I gave to the colonel.
43:15I mean,
43:15I didn't get to open
43:16the envelopes,
43:18you know.
43:20But I knew what was in it,
43:21and I knew why,
43:22and I knew where it came from.
43:23Of course,
43:24I got paid for that.
43:26I didn't do that free.
43:28Every time I dropped
43:29the stupid envelope,
43:30that cost him $50,000.
43:36I'm sure that
43:36when he was working
43:37in Belgium
43:38and he'd go off
43:39on missions,
43:39whether in Iran,
43:40Libya,
43:41or any other country,
43:42I'm sure he was
43:43perfectly well-kempt.
43:45He must have been
43:45wearing the best suits.
43:47He was probably
43:47wearing a Rolex.
43:49I am absolutely certain
43:51that he knew
43:52how to present himself.
43:54Well, the Americans
43:54were really curious,
43:55and they wanted to know
43:56what the hell was going on,
43:57because I'm traveling
43:59into Libya,
43:59and I'm traveling
44:00into Iran,
44:01who had been declared
44:02enemies of the United States
44:03and embargoed.
44:05Yeah, so I was actually
44:06trading with their enemy,
44:08you know,
44:08but they really
44:09couldn't charge me.
44:10I'm a Canadian citizen,
44:11and Canadians,
44:12we're allowed to do business
44:13with Iran.
44:14Oh, so I did that
44:15for a few years.
44:16I had a good run over there.
44:21But at some point,
44:23remember that in the 90s,
44:24there was a conflict
44:25in Iraq,
44:27between the U.S.
44:28and Iraq.
44:29That's when the Gulf War
44:31happened,
44:31and Raymond Boulanger,
44:33at that point,
44:34felt things were going
44:34to fall apart.
44:36He decided to completely
44:38retire from that line
44:39of commerce.
44:44That's one of the reasons
44:45why,
44:47when Raymond Boulanger
44:48got that phone call
44:49asking to import
44:50large quantities
44:51of cocaine
44:52into Quebec,
44:53he was interested.
44:57people had tried
44:58and said,
44:58they said it was impossible,
44:59it couldn't be done.
45:00And I said,
45:00that's ridiculous.
45:01Of course it could be done.
45:02There's no such thing
45:02as impossible.
45:03It just takes a little longer
45:04to do the impossible.
45:06That's all.
45:06But, you know,
45:07it's a matter of,
45:07it's all that becomes
45:08a question of competence.
45:13For about three months,
45:15the DEA was investigating
45:16a Colombian ring
45:17that was preparing
45:19to import cocaine.
45:22This was a big case.
45:23I considered it
45:24the largest case
45:24I'd ever worked.
45:25And the fact
45:27that it's still
45:27the largest seizure
45:29in Canada today
45:30gives you an idea
45:32of its scope
45:33and how important it was.
45:35We did not know
45:36anything about
45:38the pilot
45:39in the Casey case.
45:41I never heard
45:42of anyone
45:42having this degree
45:43of experience
45:44with that type of risk.
45:46It was probably
45:47a somewhat...
45:51unique type of a pilot
45:52that would take on
45:53this kind of a challenge.
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