00:00He has Vrabel and May at 6.
00:03Is that correct?
00:04That is correct.
00:05And they are behind Darnold and McDonald.
00:09They are behind Herbert and Harbaugh.
00:13Here's the Stafford McVay, Mahomes Reed, Herbert Harbaugh, Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, Sam Darnold, Mike McDonald, and then Drake May
00:21and Mike Vrabel.
00:23So that is wild.
00:28I honestly, I usually understand it.
00:30Like before, I got the hate for Brady and Belichick because they just won so much and people were sick
00:36of them.
00:37And people like, you know, Nick Wright was Chiefs fans.
00:39Or people nationally, like Max Kellerman from New York, hated that Boston kept winning and they just wanted to find
00:46any reason they were going to fall off a cliff.
00:49What's hateable about Drake May?
00:52Like he's like, if there ever been more of an ah shuck celebrity, I mean.
00:57No, I think that nationally people just remember the Super Bowl and move on from that.
01:02And the off field dumb story that happened.
01:06And that's why we're seeing this from Vrabel where we are seeing them constantly when it comes to the national
01:15conversation.
01:16Yeah, for me, Courtney, I've looked at like, so if you want to go back to the Super Bowl, that's
01:20totally fine.
01:21They were awful.
01:22Drake was not good.
01:23Well, that's why you get Sam Darnold and Mike McDonald in front of them.
01:26So explain to me, Herbert.
01:28So the Patriots beat them in the playoffs.
01:30Right.
01:31Beat the crap out of them.
01:32Herbert was not good.
01:33That's the only one.
01:34So why does the playoff matter for the Patriots quarterback, but it doesn't matter for the quarterback of the Chargers?
01:40Yeah, that's the only one I don't understand.
01:44Unless, the only thing that I could potentially think about, unless they feel like, and when I say they, Kyle
01:52Hurd feels like that Harbaugh is a better coach than Vrabel.
01:58But he's not.
01:58In Vrabel's first year with the Patriots, he got them to the Super Bowl, and it was largely, again, Drake
02:03May did not play great in the playoffs.
02:05I think we've all accepted that.
02:06We all acknowledge that, which means the coach was really, really good to get them from the first playoff game
02:12to a Super Bowl.
02:13And not to mention, that defense that we credit Vrabel, defensive coach, right?
02:18They kept them in that Super Bowl despite the offense being awful.
02:22I mean, that game should have been 35-3.
02:25Like, that first half, it was turnover, forcing field goals.
02:30Like, the defense bent, but didn't break at all.
02:33With a guy who had never called off defensive plays in the NFL in Zach Corr taking over at the
02:38beginning of the season.
02:39Like, Vrabel was a large part of the game planning week in and week out for that.
02:43Right, but I wonder this, and I'm only, because I know how we are here locally.
02:47We, you know, have more love for our teams, our players, our coaches.
02:53I wonder if the conversation nationally, and this is why, you know, if this is a list by Cowherd, if
03:00he would nationally go, okay.
03:03And I don't know if they've done this, and this would be interesting.
03:05I don't know if they have done, like, you know, the best coaches in the NFL for 2026.
03:10I don't know if we could find that anywhere, even for 2025.
03:14I wonder if nationally people, and when I say people, not fans, but people who talk football, would think that
03:22Habar is a better coach than Vrabel because he took a team to a Super Bowl.
03:27He then went to college, won a national championship, came back, has been coaching two years, and has taken his
03:34team to the playoffs.
03:35So I wonder nationally where they would rank Vrabel when it comes to best coaches in the NFL.
03:41But I think you have to remember what the national conversation was when the Patriots were winning last season, and
03:46that was that they're only winning because it was an easy schedule.
03:48Right.
03:49They're fraudulent.
03:50Right, I get that.
03:51And so then you go to the Super Bowl, and you put out what they did.
03:54Of course the national media is going to hold them accountable now because that's the last taste they've left in
03:59their mouth.
03:59Right, but I think to maybe Curtis's point, it's like, okay, we all can agree Stafford, McVay, Mahomes, Reed.
04:09We all can agree on that one.
04:11You know, maybe you can say, all right, I understand why he went Sam Donald, Mike McDonald.
04:18The question would be Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, Justin Herbert, Jim Habar.
04:23So if we're talking about Herbert and Habar, is it because they feel like Habar's a better coach than Vrabel,
04:35and maybe people feel like, oh, Drake may will be a better quarterback, but I mean, Herbert has shown like,
04:42okay, he's a good quarterback.
04:44Is that why, I would say, explain to me the Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams one.
04:53Because I could, you could probably sway me on the Habar Herbert one.
04:59Even though I wouldn't agree with it, you could probably find enough people that would say.
05:03Can we stick with Habar first?
05:05Go ahead.
05:05So for me, I think the Chargers are at least as talented of a roster as the Patriots, if not
05:11more talented.
05:12And I watched that game last year, and the Patriots outplayed them the entirety of that game.
05:20Right.
05:21So if the talent is similar, if not on the side of the Chargers, and the Patriots outplay you in
05:29every facet without a fluke and win the game handily, how is the coach better on the other team?
05:36That's a great point.
05:37Wiggy was asking for lists, one random list I found.
05:40CBS Sports has Jim Harbaugh, or Ben Johnson ranked 6, Jim Harbaugh ranked 7, and Mike Vrabel ranked 8 as
05:48best coaches in the NFL.
05:49All right.
05:49So there you go.
05:51But how?
05:52I think the Harbaugh situation is a little bit of his history and what he did at San Francisco.
06:00Forget about college.
06:01I'll take that off the map.
06:03What he did at San Francisco, and now his first two years in the NFL, he's taken the Chargers to
06:09back-to-back playoffs.
06:10Can't you talk history with Vrabel, though?
06:12Like what he was able to do with the Titans off the bat?
06:14But he never got to a Super Bowl with the Titans.
06:16He got to an AFC title game with Ryan Tannehill.
06:18No, that's true.
06:18But he got to a Super Bowl with Colin Kaepernick.
06:21Right.
06:22Take a knee.
06:23I would say look at the Titans without Vrabel, though.
06:27Right.
06:27Awful.
06:29It's like Belichick without Brady bad.
06:32And so you look and see where this team is.
06:35Right.
06:35And where it was.
06:36We forget Gerard Mayo, 4-13.
06:40They had consecutive 4-13 seasons.
06:44Mike Vrabel comes in, and they go 14-3.
06:48That is a historic turnaround.
06:51Unprecedented that a team won eight games in its two preceding years and won 16, including the playoffs, the next
06:59year.
06:59They more than doubled their win till the two prior years.
07:01It's never been done in NFL history.
07:03See, I could give you, like you could convince me.
07:07I wouldn't agree, but you could convince me that Herbert and Harbaugh could be third.
07:13But I would have Drake May and Mike Vrabel fifth because I would then slide up Sam Donald and Mike
07:26McDonald just because they won last year.
07:28I would slide them up to fourth.
07:29But I just don't – because the reason you could convince me is you might not like Justin Herbert, right?
07:37But the thing that he's been consistently through the regular season is one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL.
07:44Correct?
07:45I would say that Drake May in his kind of really first year as a true starter and with a
07:52real head coach and a real coordinator, he's looked good.
07:56I think a lot of the knock from him nationally is, all right, he's only done it one year.
08:01Let's see what he looks like this year.
08:04But like then I don't understand why he has Caleb Williams so high.
08:07That's why I said to you I would have May and Vrabel fifth and I would have Drake May and
08:17Vrabel ahead of Caleb Williams.
08:19I would slide every – I would slide Donald and McDonald up one because you could – like I said,
08:25if you want to argue that Harbaugh has done it before, he's gone to a Super Bowl, he's done –
08:29that people feel like he's a better coach.
08:31Okay, I'm not saying I would agree with that, but I could see where you'd be coming from.
08:37And if you want to argue that, you know, Justin Herbert has proven that he could be a good quarterback
08:42in this league for a long time, granted he hasn't won a playoff game, okay, you could make that argument
08:48because Drake May has only done it one year.
08:50Same with Caleb Williams.
08:51But I would say that Mike Vrabel is a better head coach than Ben Johnson.
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